Re: [RDD] Multicut rotation clarification question

[Andrew Struiksma]

The machine I ran the tests on is running 1.7.2.


Andrew


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:

>
> Interesting. So Rivendell does, in fact, behave as most other automation
> systems do (and as old-fashioned tape cartridges used to); only the
> rotation is in reverse order.
>
> Which version of Rivendell are you running?
>
>
> Rob
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2013, Andrew Struiksma wrote:
>
>  I wondering the thing and after not finding an answer I ran a simple test
>> with a looped log and multicut with 4 cuts. It appears that RD plays the
>> cuts in sequence in reverse order (assuming NO daypart settings). Here is
>> my
>> play log:
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_004.wav
>>  Handle: 1
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_003.wav
>>  Handle: 2
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_002.wav
>>  Handle: 3
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_001.wav
>>  Handle: 4
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_004.wav
>>  Handle: 5
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_003.wav
>>  Handle: 6
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_002.wav
>>  Handle: 7
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_001.wav
>>  Handle: 8
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_004.wav
>>  Handle: 9
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_003.wav
>>  Handle: 10
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_002.wav
>>  Handle: 11
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_001.wav
>>  Handle: 12
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_004.wav
>>  Handle: 13
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_003.wav
>>  Handle: 14
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_002.wav
>>  Handle: 15
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_001.wav
>>  Handle: 16
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_004.wav
>>  Handle: 17
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_003.wav
>>  Handle: 18
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_002.wav
>>  Handle: 19
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_001.wav
>>  Handle: 20
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_004.wav
>>  Handle: 21
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_003.wav
>>  Handle: 22
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_002.wav
>>  Handle: 23
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_001.wav
>>  Handle: 24
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_004.wav
>>  Handle: 25
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_003.wav
>>  Handle: 26
>> caed: LoadPlayback  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Name: /var/snd/060101_002.wav
>>  Handle: 27
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 5:40 AM, Alan Smith  wrote:
>>   Forgive me, I'm setting up our very first Rivendell production
>>   system,
>>   and I know this is a pretty basic question but...
>>
>>   Lets say you have a sweeper cart, and in that cart are multiple
>>   cuts.
>>   How does Rivendell play the cuts when its scheduled in the log
>>   if they
>>   are all eligible for playout?   Does it play In sequence from
>>   top to
>>   bottom, random, or do you have to daypart the cuts so it doesn't
>>   always
>>   play the first cut?
>>
>>   Thank you,
>>
>>   -Alan
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Re: [RDD] RDAirplay just quitting and Log not refreshing properly.

[Todd Baker]

Hi Dan,

Not sure why you are having problems with RDAirplay.  As others suggested you 
should be able to find the problem inside the error logs at the specific time 
involved. 

As for Log Refresh, I just want to ensure that you clicked the refresh log 
button on the screen (and that it lit up) after changing the log(s).  As far as 
I know you have to hit this button (Refresh Log) for a refresh to happen. At 
least - that's how our version works. We are not on 2.5 so I am making an 
assumption here...
RdAirplay routinely checks for changes during playout of a log, and when it 
see's that the date of the stored on disk (database) log is more recent then 
it's copy - THEN the refresh log button should become enabled (become active). 
Then after you hit the button -  the button returns to a disabled state until 
the next time the log is changed.

I have seen this button not become active - but that usually was because the 
system where the log was changed had a incorrect date setting, and the changed 
log got the date of the offending system. That's probably not happening to you, 
but is something to look at as well.  This is a bug in our RDLogedit and may be 
fixed in your version(s).

Todd
Radio Free Asia _ Washington D.C.

- Original Message -
From: "Dan Gruner" 
To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:14:25 AM
Subject: [RDD] RDAirplay just quitting and Log not refreshing properly.




I have had yet another instance of RDAirplay randomly quitting for no apparent 
reason and resulting in chaos at the station. Why the hell is it doing this? 

Also, when I perform a log edit, despite "refresh log" option selected, the log 
is NOT being refreshed automatically in RDAirplay. As a result I have to reload 
the entire log back into RDAirplay for the changes to take effect, which is 
just nonsense. 

I would appreciate some help before I loose my rag and ditch this increasingly 
annoying software altogether! 

Many thanks, 

Dan Gruner 

www.abbey104.com 



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Re: [RDD] RDAirplay just quitting and Log not refreshing properly.

[Jim Stewart]

As I also have occasional problems with rdairplay quitting, I have a script 
tied to a silence sense to deal with this.  The script restarts it and tells it 
to start playing if it finds rdairplay not running.  Since it also logs the 
event, I found in my case the quitting seems to only happen when loading a new 
log (which we do just after midnight).  For us this has been a great "band-aid" 
fix for the problem for now.  Our main "On-Air" computer has hardware silence 
sense (Broadcast Tools 8x2 audio router), but our "backup" system does not, so 
I instead used "Silent-Jack" with the Jack-audio running on the system to give 
the same result.  If you are interested, I can share the details of either or 
both with you on this.

As far as the "refresh log" issue, last I checked (which was several versions 
ago) I don't think that worked for me either, but just assumed I somehow was 
misunderstanding its purpose or usage.

I agree that paid for support might be in order here (probably for us too) as 
this is the normal procedure with most of the other leading commercial systems 
out there anyway.  In fact when comparing the Rivendell experience to other 
commercial systems, though I often complain about the unclear and incomplete 
documentation of Rivendell, it tends to be far better documented than most of 
those other systems anyway, as I think they want you to be really dependent on 
their support contracts.

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:14:25 +0100
From: Dan Gruner 
To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
Subject: [RDD] RDAirplay just quitting and Log not refreshing
properly.
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I have had yet another instance of RDAirplay randomly quitting for no apparent 
reason and resulting in chaos at the station. Why the hell is it doing this?

Also, when I perform a log edit, despite "refresh log" option selected, the log 
is NOT being refreshed automatically in RDAirplay.  As a result I have to 
reload the entire log back into RDAirplay for the changes to take effect, which 
is just nonsense.

I would appreciate some help before I loose my rag and ditch this increasingly 
annoying software altogether!

Many thanks,

Dan Gruner


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Re: [RDD] Can create, overwrite, but can't delete carts/cuts in rdlibrary/rdimport

[Jim Stewart]

On Monday 19 August 2013 12:51:06 am Jim Stewart wrote:
> The default user that it is logging in as is the same user "user" that 
> is on the main system, so I'd assume that user has the rights to 
> perform deletions.

 I assume you mean the same user by user ID number ?
 ( since across machines, the name means nothing )

Interesting!  Since the "users" section resides outside the "Hosts" section in 
rdadmin, I kind of assumed it was global for all machines in the database.

In any case, the user names and permissions seem to match when running rdadmin 
from each machine, including the "Assign Group Permissions" section.

If you meant the normal Linux/Unix system user log ins, then I agree, in at 
least my case (no YP set up) the two users are unique but as noted, both have 
permissions to the audio library locations local to each machine.

Thanks so much for you time!
James

--
Cowboy

http://cowboy.cwf1.com

... Once you're safely in the mall, you should tie your children to you with 
ropes so the other shoppers won't try to buy them.  Holiday shoppers have been 
whipped into a frenzy by months of holiday advertisements, and they will buy 
anything small enough to stuff into a shopping bag.  If your children object to 
being tied, threaten to take them to see Santa Claus; that ought to shut them 
up.
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Re: [RDD] RDAdmin won't accept changes

[Eric Gauvin]

Fred Gleason  writes:

> You need to get everything upgraded to one of the 2.5.x versions ASAP.  The 
longer you continue to operate
> this way, the more you risk borking your DB irretrievably.  The easiest way 
to accomplish this may be to
> apply the online updates on your Broadcast Appliance setup (which as of this 
writing will get you v2.5.2)
> and put that on the air.  Then, switch the Ubuntu box over to BA as well.  
Don't forget the online updates!
> 

Fred, 

I spent last week updating our workstations and everything now seems to be 
running stable on 2.5.2. Thanks for your help!

Eric

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Re: [RDD] RDAirplay just quitting and Log not refreshing properly.

[al davis]

On Monday 19 August 2013, Dan Gruner wrote:
> quitting for no 
> apparent reason and resulting in chaos at the station. Why
> the hell is  it doing this?

Most likely bad memory in your computer.
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Re: [RDD] Can create, overwrite, but can't delete carts/cuts in rdlibrary/rdimport

[Cowboy]

On Monday 19 August 2013 12:51:06 am Jim Stewart wrote:
> The default user that it is logging in as is the same user "user" that
> is on the main system, so I'd assume that user has the rights to perform
> deletions. 

 I assume you mean the same user by user ID number ?
 ( since across machines, the name means nothing )

-- 
Cowboy

http://cowboy.cwf1.com

... Once you're safely in the mall, you should tie your children to you
with ropes so the other shoppers won't try to buy them.  Holiday
shoppers have been whipped into a frenzy by months of holiday
advertisements, and they will buy anything small enough to stuff into a
shopping bag.  If your children object to being tied, threaten to take
them to see Santa Claus; that ought to shut them up.
-- Dave Barry, "Christmas Shopping: A Survivor's Guide"

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Re: [RDD] Can create, overwrite, but can't delete carts/cuts in rdlibrary/rdimport

[Wayne Merricks]

Hi,

Stupid question, is the backup machine correctly listed in rdadmin -> 
hosts with the right IP address/hostname?


Wayne Merricks
The Voice Asia

On 19/08/13 05:51, Jim Stewart wrote:

Our main on-air system, and its soon-to-be installed replacement works
fine, but on our backup system, I can create and even overwrite cart
cuts but can not delete them.  The error I get from "Unable to delete
audio!" dialog popup from rdlibrary when I do.

Same result if I have the backup system "connected" to the mysql
database on the onair machine or the "backup" copy that is on it
locally.  (I don't know how to get the master/slave thing on mysql
working right now so have been just using the backup and restore
function in rdadmin to generate the local copy on the backup server).
The default user that it is logging in as is the same user "user" that
is on the main system, so I'd assume that user has the rights to perform
deletions.  Also as logged in as that user in shell, I can delete carts
from that directory just fine.  Both the main system is running
rivendell 2.5.0 where as the backup is on 2.5.1, both as compiled by the
folks maintaining the debian packages on Tryphon.  The main is running
debian Squeeze (32-bit) and the backup is running debian Wheezy
(64-bit).

I want to get this fixed so that I can put the backup on the air so to
swap in a new, fully upgraded system for "ONAIR" that is mostly
ready-to-go, but I want to play it safe anyway.



Other than a couple of other issues reported on this forum earlier, I've
been super happy with Rivendell.  I've had a radio station running on it
for about a year now.  Rivendell seems to have a good mix of features
common with other leading commercial systems out there, but because it
runs on Linux with all of it's backend tools (like Jack-audio, really
good software RAID, great priority scheduling of cpu-time and other
resources, real multi-user capability, real LAMP stack, and overall
design friendly for scripting, etc.), I've been able to do things on a
single computer in a very clean fashion would take several computers and
other audio devices tied together in a "multiple points of failure" mode
with those other common commercial systems.  Eventually I plan on
writing a little blog/article about my experiences and configuration
that should be helpful to others but want to learn a little more about
Rivendell and tweak my setup a little more before I do.

I currently have the core system working, with Jack audio on a Presounus
1818VSL USB multichannel sound device, running three darkice streams
(Transmitter, Public, Preview/Production) from Jack with some processing
done by "jack-rack" inserted in the public stream.  I have RDAIRPLAY
doing all kinds of routing changes and other things via macro carts
fired from either a log, or "hot buttons" (that sometimes call external
shell scripts), I have RDCATCH grabbing and importing various elements
on a daily basis.  Then I have all this fully remote accessible via both
VNC and remote X (usually tunneled through SSH) for our operators to use
on their Windows desktops and smart-phones. We play locally stored music
interrupted by live remotes and sporting events (with cue, talkback, and
mix-minus foldback) from either Skype, or a Telos-one CODEC, or a "Plain
Old Telephone" (POTS) interfaced to the Presounus sound device (Can I
use "LiveWire" on the Telos CODEC directly to the computer?).  We
rebroadcast our college games (with their permission) via their webcast
that has 25/35hz subaudible automation tones (currently using a borrowed
hardware tone decoder, does anyone know of a good linux/Jack-compatible
software solution?  The NCH-audio + Wine + Alsa_In solution seems too
messy to me)  Did I mention this was all on one computer and I haven't
even needed to install a traditional broadcast audio console yet?

My main remaining task is to get three rivendell systems working in a
hot-backup/fail-over + cold-standby arrangement where two systems are
typically powered on at a time (main and backup-server), and this
backup-server gets constantly updated from the main system via rsync
(have that working now), and have the database configured for
master/slave redundancy (not working yet) in a way where the backup can
run fully stand-alone with the master on-air system down.  Then I want a
third computer (already have it running) that would normally be powered
off, but can be powered on and then synced from the "backup-server" so
that it could become a new "ONAIR" machine. (our "backup-server" is a
"headless" thing that is located in an awkward location and normally
used for other purposes so not to be appropriate as a permanent
replacement for "ONAIR").  Our "ONAIR" machines come from a pile of
older Pentium-4 "semi-server class" machines that were discarded and
given to us by an associate company.  So our plan is to simply "run them
into the ground" on our radio station, but with the security of having a
good

Re: [RDD] RDAirplay just quitting and Log not refreshing properly.

[Wayne Merricks]

Hi,

First of all, if you have a support contract I suggest you log a tech 
support call or sign up for a support contract by emailing 
sa...@paravelsystems.com (or phone them on 001 877 447 2727).


Most of us on this list are random weirdos from around the Internet who 
use Rivendell either at our own stations or in some cases in their own 
bedrooms.


We're certainly not paid to answer questions here thats for sure.

Anyway chalking this one up to being interrupted at lunch before having 
finished your coffee.


You'll need to at least look at the logs to see what they're telling 
you.  By default I think riv logs to the syslog so you'll need to look 
at that for rdairplay related stuff.  Perhaps look into caed and ripcd.


Alternatively change the log destination in rd.conf to point to a file 
somewhere in your user home so you at least have a better idea next time 
it crashes.


More info required before anyone could begin to help you.

Regards,

Wayne Merricks
The Voice Asia

On 19/08/13 13:14, Dan Gruner wrote:


I have had yet another instance of RDAirplay randomly quitting for no 
apparent reason and resulting in chaos at the station.  Why the hell 
is it doing this?


Also, when I perform a log edit, despite "refresh log" option 
selected, the log is NOT being refreshed automatically in RDAirplay.  
As a result I have to reload the entire log back into RDAirplay for 
the changes to take effect, which is just nonsense.


I would appreciate some help before I loose my rag and ditch this 
increasingly annoying software altogether!


Many thanks,

Dan Gruner

www.abbey104.com






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[RDD] RDAirplay just quitting and Log not refreshing properly.

[Dan Gruner]

I have had yet another instance of RDAirplay randomly quitting for no 
apparent reason and resulting in chaos at the station. Why the hell is 
it doing this?


Also, when I perform a log edit, despite "refresh log" option selected, 
the log is NOT being refreshed automatically in RDAirplay.  As a result 
I have to reload the entire log back into RDAirplay for the changes to 
take effect, which is just nonsense.


I would appreciate some help before I loose my rag and ditch this 
increasingly annoying software altogether!


Many thanks,

Dan Gruner

www.abbey104.com




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