Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Luigino Bracci]

Just for reference, we had a similar issue with our M-Audio 1010 last week:
a hum noise suddenly appeared in the outputs; apparently something in the
box is damaged. Unfortunely the card is still on warranty so we can't fix
it by ourselves (it would be faster, now we must wait some weeks or months
while our provider send it to USA).

Bye :(


2013/11/7 Lorne Tyndale 

> Dan,
>
> I don't know if this could be similar to your issue, but I recently ran
> into a similar situation on a M-Audio Delta 1010 card (the one with the
> rack-mount breakout box).
>
> The machine I had issues with is not running Rivendell - in fact it is a
> Windows box set up to stream audio from 3 radio stations.  The inputs /
> outputs on the 1010 suddenly stopped working and would either produce
> white noise, hum, or silence.  All 3 streams stopped working properly on
> the same day.
>
> In the end it turned out to 2 things - inside the breakout box I found a
> bad voltage regulator and a bad capacitor.  Replacing them both and my
> m-audio 1010 is working fine.
>
> Just something to consider, your difficulty may not be software related.
>
> Lorne Tyndale
>
>
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Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Alban Peignier]

Hi all,

I thinks this thread regroups several issues in fact.

Here are the Tryphon experience with these "alsa" issues :

- noise after 2/3 seconds when playing a cart : experienced (once) on a
customer Ubuntu system with M-Audio 1010LT via caed alsa. Workaround
with jack. Never reproduced on our Debian RivendellBoxes

- noise randomly present in rdcatch recordings. No problem with 24/24h
rdairplay plays or the local audio adapter switch performed by the same
RivendellBox. Experienced by a single customer (other .. don't use
rdcatch records)

- channel mismatch in caed alsa in vu-meter or local audio adapter
switch with several sound cards (reported several time but not
reproduced by us)

- hardware problems in the M-Audio 1010 (not LT) but without any link
with Rivendell

The Tryphon team is available (time and hardware) to analyze these problems.

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Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Tim Camp]

I had this exact same problem with Delta 1010 on 200 tracks after upgrading
the 2.5 .3 , after 1 or 2 seconds the track to go to your white noise.
Interestingly enough it only happens on workstation running the Delta 1010.
Also interesting is that I ran the tracks through sound converter saving
them again as waves and then they played fine on the Delta 1010.

Cheers
On Nov 7, 2013 5:40 PM, "Lorne Tyndale"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have to admit even having experienced difficulty, I still like the
> M-Audio Delta line of audio cards.
>
> As for the M-Audio Delta 1010 breakout box, make sure you've got a few
> 470uf, 63 volt (105 degree) electrolytic capacitors around.  There are a
> few in that box, they are easy to replace (assuming you have soldering
> skills), and if / when they go bad it is nice to have some in stock.
>
> Unfortunately I can't recall the part number on the regulator off the
> top of my head - other then I know I had one in stock.  It is once again
> a fairly inexpensive part and easy to replace.  In my case the bad one
> was shorted, it was fairly easy to identify as bad with a test meter
> without even pulling it off the board.
>
> Lorne Tyndale
>
> >
> >
> > Happy to hear it's exactly the audio card we have :-(
> > I touch wood.
> > By the way I'm not happy with the transformer either: sometimes it gives
> > problems.
> > Finally.. Dan, if you feel older versions were better nothing stops you
> of
> > being stick on them.
> >
> > Alessio
> >
> >
> > 2013/11/7 Fred Gleason 
> >
> > > On Nov 7, 2013, at 12:38 40, Lorne Tyndale wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't know if this could be similar to your issue, but I recently
> ran
> > > > into a similar situation on a M-Audio Delta 1010 card (the one with
> the
> > > > rack-mount breakout box).
> > >
> > > So we have three reports now of 'sudden white noise', (one of them not
> > > involving Rivendell or, indeed, even Linux), and all of them involving
> > > M-Audio Delta units.
> > >
> > > I agree, this is smelling more and more like a h/w problem.
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > >
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Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Lorne Tyndale]

Hi,

I have to admit even having experienced difficulty, I still like the
M-Audio Delta line of audio cards.

As for the M-Audio Delta 1010 breakout box, make sure you've got a few
470uf, 63 volt (105 degree) electrolytic capacitors around.  There are a
few in that box, they are easy to replace (assuming you have soldering
skills), and if / when they go bad it is nice to have some in stock.

Unfortunately I can't recall the part number on the regulator off the
top of my head - other then I know I had one in stock.  It is once again
a fairly inexpensive part and easy to replace.  In my case the bad one
was shorted, it was fairly easy to identify as bad with a test meter
without even pulling it off the board.

Lorne Tyndale

> 
> 
> Happy to hear it's exactly the audio card we have :-(
> I touch wood.
> By the way I'm not happy with the transformer either: sometimes it gives
> problems.
> Finally.. Dan, if you feel older versions were better nothing stops you of
> being stick on them.
> 
> Alessio
> 
> 
> 2013/11/7 Fred Gleason 
> 
> > On Nov 7, 2013, at 12:38 40, Lorne Tyndale wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know if this could be similar to your issue, but I recently ran
> > > into a similar situation on a M-Audio Delta 1010 card (the one with the
> > > rack-mount breakout box).
> >
> > So we have three reports now of 'sudden white noise', (one of them not
> > involving Rivendell or, indeed, even Linux), and all of them involving
> > M-Audio Delta units.
> >
> > I agree, this is smelling more and more like a h/w problem.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> >
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> > |   |   Paravel Systems   |
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Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Alessio Elmi]

Happy to hear it's exactly the audio card we have :-(
I touch wood.
By the way I'm not happy with the transformer either: sometimes it gives
problems.
Finally.. Dan, if you feel older versions were better nothing stops you of
being stick on them.

Alessio


2013/11/7 Fred Gleason 

> On Nov 7, 2013, at 12:38 40, Lorne Tyndale wrote:
>
> > I don't know if this could be similar to your issue, but I recently ran
> > into a similar situation on a M-Audio Delta 1010 card (the one with the
> > rack-mount breakout box).
>
> So we have three reports now of 'sudden white noise', (one of them not
> involving Rivendell or, indeed, even Linux), and all of them involving
> M-Audio Delta units.
>
> I agree, this is smelling more and more like a h/w problem.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> |-|
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> |   |   Paravel Systems   |
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Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Fred Gleason]

On Nov 7, 2013, at 12:38 40, Lorne Tyndale wrote:

> I don't know if this could be similar to your issue, but I recently ran
> into a similar situation on a M-Audio Delta 1010 card (the one with the
> rack-mount breakout box).

So we have three reports now of 'sudden white noise', (one of them not 
involving Rivendell or, indeed, even Linux), and all of them involving M-Audio 
Delta units.

I agree, this is smelling more and more like a h/w problem.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Rick]

indeed, if RD and hardware are unchanged, its a hardware defect or if 
repo's are still on some incompatibilty in a Linux update of the distro 
, logically cannot have anything to do with RD



Lorne Tyndale schreef op 7-11-2013 18:38:

Dan,

I don't know if this could be similar to your issue, but I recently ran
into a similar situation on a M-Audio Delta 1010 card (the one with the
rack-mount breakout box).

The machine I had issues with is not running Rivendell - in fact it is a
Windows box set up to stream audio from 3 radio stations.  The inputs /
outputs on the 1010 suddenly stopped working and would either produce
white noise, hum, or silence.  All 3 streams stopped working properly on
the same day.

In the end it turned out to 2 things - inside the breakout box I found a
bad voltage regulator and a bad capacitor.  Replacing them both and my
m-audio 1010 is working fine.

Just something to consider, your difficulty may not be software related.

Lorne Tyndale



 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch
From: dan 
Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 11:17 am
To: , "Pedro Picoto (TSF/tec)"



What doesn't make sense is that things have been running fine on the whole up 
until a few weeks ago.  Nothing has changed hardware wise,
apart from the addition of and extra workstation.  I have even re-installed the 
OS, tested all the hardware of the workstations, carried
out the recordings on another computer etc.

It looks like I'm going to have to ditch this software for something better and 
more reliable as it's unpredictability seems to be
getting worse in later versions, not better.  This is a shame, because on the 
whole, Rivendell is very good.  Now that we are on FM and
taking revenue from advertising and sponsorship, I cannot afford for another 
days output to be completely messed up by this software
that suddenly decides it no longer likes the soundcards after a year...

Very angry.

Dan

www.loudaudio.co.uk

On Thu 07/11/13 10:45 , "Pedro Picoto \(TSF/tec\)" pedro.pic...@tsf.pt sent:

I don't have an concrete answer to your problem. All I can say is
that I've obtained a  "full-amplitude white noise" when recording VT's
where the VT recording had the same input port number as the playback,for
example:

Playout_0L - Record_0L Playout_0R - Record_0L
Setting the input or output to another port fixed the problem.   I know
that my suggestion didn't fix Dan's problem.
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Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Lorne Tyndale]

Dan,

I don't know if this could be similar to your issue, but I recently ran
into a similar situation on a M-Audio Delta 1010 card (the one with the
rack-mount breakout box).

The machine I had issues with is not running Rivendell - in fact it is a
Windows box set up to stream audio from 3 radio stations.  The inputs /
outputs on the 1010 suddenly stopped working and would either produce
white noise, hum, or silence.  All 3 streams stopped working properly on
the same day.

In the end it turned out to 2 things - inside the breakout box I found a
bad voltage regulator and a bad capacitor.  Replacing them both and my
m-audio 1010 is working fine.

Just something to consider, your difficulty may not be software related.

Lorne Tyndale


>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch
> From: dan 
> Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 11:17 am
> To: , "Pedro Picoto (TSF/tec)"
> 
> 
> 
> What doesn't make sense is that things have been running fine on the whole up 
> until a few weeks ago.  Nothing has changed hardware wise, 
> apart from the addition of and extra workstation.  I have even re-installed 
> the OS, tested all the hardware of the workstations, carried 
> out the recordings on another computer etc.
> 
> It looks like I'm going to have to ditch this software for something better 
> and more reliable as it's unpredictability seems to be 
> getting worse in later versions, not better.  This is a shame, because on the 
> whole, Rivendell is very good.  Now that we are on FM and 
> taking revenue from advertising and sponsorship, I cannot afford for another 
> days output to be completely messed up by this software 
> that suddenly decides it no longer likes the soundcards after a year...   
> 
> Very angry.
> 
> Dan
> 
> www.loudaudio.co.uk
> 
> On Thu 07/11/13 10:45 , "Pedro Picoto \(TSF/tec\)" pedro.pic...@tsf.pt sent:
> > I don't have an concrete answer to your problem. All I can say is
> > that I've obtained a  "full-amplitude white noise" when recording VT's
> > where the VT recording had the same input port number as the playback,for
> > example:
> > 
> > Playout_0L - Record_0L Playout_0R - Record_0L
> > Setting the input or output to another port fixed the problem.   I know
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Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Fred Gleason]

On Nov 7, 2013, at 11:17 13, dan wrote:

> Very angry.

Dan:

You are aware that every person on this list who is trying to help you is doing 
so on an entirely voluntary basis?


> It looks like I'm going to have to ditch this software for something better 
> and more reliable as it's unpredictability seems to be 
> getting worse in later versions, not better.  This is a shame, because on the 
> whole, Rivendell is very good.  Now that we are on FM and 
> taking revenue from advertising and sponsorship, I cannot afford for another 
> days output to be completely messed up by this software 
> that suddenly decides it no longer likes the soundcards after a year…   

Software doesn't "decide" to do anything.  It (and the computers it runs on) 
are tools, just like a hammer or a screwdriver.  A bit more complex, but 
exactly the same in essence.  If something goes wrong, it's because either the 
tool is faulty in some aspect of its design (otherwise known as a 'bug'), or 
because the user isn't understanding it or using it correctly (configuration or 
usage error).  in either case, finding and correcting the problem calls for 
calm, careful reasoning and technique.  Anger (or any other emotion) gets you 
nowhere in that process, and when directed at volunteers who are trying to help 
you is a guaranteed way to end up being on your own.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Fred Gleason]

On Nov 6, 2013, at 14:21 27, Dan Gruner wrote:

> Any suggestions on what could be causing this and why this problem has 
> sudenly appeared after over a year of running Rivendell?

Is this using JACK or the direct ALSA driver?

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[dan]

What doesn't make sense is that things have been running fine on the whole up 
until a few weeks ago.  Nothing has changed hardware wise, 
apart from the addition of and extra workstation.  I have even re-installed the 
OS, tested all the hardware of the workstations, carried 
out the recordings on another computer etc.

It looks like I'm going to have to ditch this software for something better and 
more reliable as it's unpredictability seems to be 
getting worse in later versions, not better.  This is a shame, because on the 
whole, Rivendell is very good.  Now that we are on FM and 
taking revenue from advertising and sponsorship, I cannot afford for another 
days output to be completely messed up by this software 
that suddenly decides it no longer likes the soundcards after a year...   

Very angry.

Dan

www.loudaudio.co.uk

On Thu 07/11/13 10:45 , "Pedro Picoto \(TSF/tec\)" pedro.pic...@tsf.pt sent:
> I don't have an concrete answer to your problem. All I can say is
> that I've obtained a  "full-amplitude white noise" when recording VT's
> where the VT recording had the same input port number as the playback,for
> example:
> 
> Playout_0L - Record_0L Playout_0R - Record_0L
> Setting the input or output to another port fixed the problem.   I know
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[RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Pedro Picoto (TSF/tec)]

I don't have an concrete answer to your problem. All I can say is that I've 
obtained a  "full-amplitude white noise" when recording VT's where the VT 
recording had the same input port number as the playback,for example:

Playout_0L - Record_0L
Playout_0R - Record_0L

Setting the input or output to another port fixed the problem.
 
I know that my suggestion didn't fix Dan's problem.
 
 
  
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Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Stan Fotinos]

Hi All

I've also experienced this during voice tracking using alsa on M-Audio 
Delta 66 using Rivendell 1.7.2, totally random also...


Regards

Stan

On 7/11/13 5:11 PM, Alban Peignier wrote:

Hi all,


I have had a serious problem develop reciently in which RDCatch will
just randomly start recording full-amplitude white noise type sound when
programmed to record an audio cut.

Same issue experienced with Rivendell 2.1.2 using alsa on M-Audio 1010LT.

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Re: [RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Alban Peignier]

Hi all,

> I have had a serious problem develop reciently in which RDCatch will
> just randomly start recording full-amplitude white noise type sound when
> programmed to record an audio cut.

Same issue experienced with Rivendell 2.1.2 using alsa on M-Audio 1010LT.

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[RDD] Serious issue when recording in RDCatch

[Dan Gruner]

I have had a serious problem develop reciently in which RDCatch will 
just randomly start recording full-amplitude white noise type sound when 
programmed to record an audio cut.


This issue can develop a few seconds into the cut recording, or 30-40m 
in, and at various times of the day, there is no saying. Sometimes once 
started, it lasts the duration of the cut, or drops in and out.


All hardware appears to be ok and all other Rivendell components 
function as they should.  I even performed a fresh installation of 
Rivendell 2.5.3 and Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and the problem is still there.


Soundcard is an M-Audio Delta 66.

Any suggestions on what could be causing this and why this problem has 
sudenly appeared after over a year of running Rivendell?


Thanks,

Dan

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