Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation
the cause of this problem is likely detected : Recently we set the automatic creating of the log for the next day - which is set up in RDCatch - over from a workstation to the server that has the sound files and the database on it. Creating of next days log used to take about 50 minutes (!)over a gigabit network on a dual core, on the server itself this only took a fraction of that time As the rotating of the log is also done on the DJ station, over the network, we suspect this to be the cause of the slow operation and the silence. We plan to switch the log by Gerrits bash script on short notice on the server itself and suspect this to be solved. As I see many posts on slow mySQL operation these might be related to this silence, but I am just guessing now Alan Peterson schreef op 13-3-2014 14:16: This is kinda cheesy, but what about using the Aux Log to fill the time? Create a short playlist permanently loaded into Aux Log 1 or 2 that kicks off every night at 11:59:30 (or so), consisting of these steps: 1) Fade out all Main Log audio now present (PS 0 2000) 2) Sleep for 2 secs (SP 2000) 3) Play Panel Button X with anthem (PP etc) 4) Sleep for duration of audio (SP time) 4) Start Next event on Main Log (PN 1) At 30 secs before midnight, the Aux Log fades out whatever is airing on the Main and starts playing stirring patriotic music. Meanwhile, a Timed Event in the Main log leisurely loads the next day's log and waits. Since the load-in is being covered by music from the Sound Panel, there is no dead air. When the music finishes in the Aux log, it is followed by the RML command to start the newly-loaded Main log. Yes, it means there is a rollover on midnight where an event will have to wait until completion of the Panel playback, and the night-owl format freaks listening at that hour (they know who they are) will complain that the ID didn't hit at *exactly* Zero-zero. But it is a seamless presentation for listener and operator alike. I have not tried this myself as I don't have a situation where it is needed. But on its face, this - or a variation of it - looks like it should work. -AP ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation
Fortunately, I have never had this problem...but, here is something I found on another stations log. They did not use segue, or even trim their programs (or much else) properly. When the 11:59:50 program ended, there was an additional 30 seconds of dead air, on the program before the cart ended. Since there was no silent sense, and everything was in a play mode, Rivendell did exactly what it was told to do, (ended the cart, then, ran the chain, then restarted. Maybe that's not you problem, but it is worth a look. It sounds like the record doesn't segue to the log change over. So I'd schedule any recording in RDCatch or change the last item (before log change) in the log to audio with a segue. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation
This is kinda cheesy, but what about using the Aux Log to fill the time? Create a short playlist permanently loaded into Aux Log 1 or 2 that kicks off every night at 11:59:30 (or so), consisting of these steps: 1) Fade out all Main Log audio now present (PS 0 2000) 2) Sleep for 2 secs (SP 2000) 3) Play Panel Button X with anthem (PP etc) 4) Sleep for duration of audio (SP time) 4) Start Next event on Main Log (PN 1) At 30 secs before midnight, the Aux Log fades out whatever is airing on the Main and starts playing stirring patriotic music. Meanwhile, a Timed Event in the Main log leisurely loads the next day's log and waits. Since the load-in is being covered by music from the Sound Panel, there is no dead air. When the music finishes in the Aux log, it is followed by the RML command to start the newly-loaded Main log. Yes, it means there is a rollover on midnight where an event will have to wait until completion of the Panel playback, and the night-owl format freaks listening at that hour (they know who they are) will complain that the ID didn't hit at *exactly* Zero-zero. But it is a seamless presentation for listener and operator alike. I have not tried this myself as I don't have a situation where it is needed. But on its face, this - or a variation of it - looks like it should work. -AP ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation
On a dual core on 10% CPU I have about 10 seconds of silence at 00:00
when the log rotates to the next day. I am sure others have solved this
a long time ago, so perhaps anybody can tell me how to solve this or
share his solution?
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We solved this by calling this bash script at midnight
#!/bin/bash
DATE=`date +%m%d`
rmlsend LL 1 Production-${DATE}\!
rmlsend PL 1 0\!
It will finish then song that is playing,so the list has some time to load
Gerrit
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[RDD] silence at log rotation
On a dual core on 10% CPU I have about 10 seconds of silence at 00:00 when the log rotates to the next day. I am sure others have solved this a long time ago, so perhaps anybody can tell me how to solve this or share his solution? ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation
I have exactly the same issue - although the silence tends to vary from anything up to 10 secs. Very annoying! Dan Gruner Loud Audio Office: 01963 406102 24hr Mobile: 07590 044386 On 12 Mar 2014, at 23:07, Rick rickc...@home.nl wrote: On a dual core on 10% CPU I have about 10 seconds of silence at 00:00 when the log rotates to the next day. I am sure others have solved this a long time ago, so perhaps anybody can tell me how to solve this or share his solution? ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation
What is the last trasition on the log before the log chain event? If it is play the loading of the new log will take longer. Seque will be quicker especially if it is a song with a long fade out. sent by geoff on his android phone On Mar 13, 2014 12:36 PM, Dan Gruner d...@loudaudio.co.uk wrote: I have exactly the same issue - although the silence tends to vary from anything up to 10 secs. Very annoying! Dan Gruner Loud Audio Office: 01963 406102 24hr Mobile: 07590 044386 On 12 Mar 2014, at 23:07, Rick rickc...@home.nl wrote: On a dual core on 10% CPU I have about 10 seconds of silence at 00:00 when the log rotates to the next day. I am sure others have solved this a long time ago, so perhaps anybody can tell me how to solve this or share his solution? ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation
How do you guys transistion to the next log? I noticed the bigger teh log the longer the delay so I always use segue to the next log. - Original Message - From: Dan Gruner d...@loudaudio.co.uk To: Rick rickc...@home.nl Cc: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation I have exactly the same issue - although the silence tends to vary from anything up to 10 secs. Very annoying! Dan Gruner Loud Audio Office: 01963 406102 24hr Mobile: 07590 044386 On 12 Mar 2014, at 23:07, Rick rickc...@home.nl wrote: On a dual core on 10% CPU I have about 10 seconds of silence at 00:00 when the log rotates to the next day. I am sure others have solved this a long time ago, so perhaps anybody can tell me how to solve this or share his solution? ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation
I use segue and the last item in the overscheduled log is always a hard timed record but always a different one ofcourse Gavin Stephens schreef op 13-3-2014 2:00: How do you guys transistion to the next log? I noticed the bigger teh log the longer the delay so I always use segue to the next log. - Original Message - From: Dan Gruner d...@loudaudio.co.uk To: Rick rickc...@home.nl Cc: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation I have exactly the same issue - although the silence tends to vary from anything up to 10 secs. Very annoying! Dan Gruner Loud Audio Office: 01963 406102 24hr Mobile: 07590 044386 On 12 Mar 2014, at 23:07, Rick rickc...@home.nl wrote: On a dual core on 10% CPU I have about 10 seconds of silence at 00:00 when the log rotates to the next day. I am sure others have solved this a long time ago, so perhaps anybody can tell me how to solve this or share his solution? ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation
Be careful you don't have the last item in a log with the exact same start time each day. Otherwise you could end up skipping a day. You maybe better to have the last item as a segue then the record as the first item in the next log followed by a stop marker of sorts so you're not loading logs at the end of the record. Unless you want the recording to have no song fading when it starts? You could also use RDCatch for the timed record to get it away from log change over. Cheers, Gavin. - Original Message - From: Rick rickc...@home.nl To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation I use segue and the last item in the overscheduled log is always a hard timed record but always a different one ofcourse Gavin Stephens schreef op 13-3-2014 2:00: How do you guys transistion to the next log? I noticed the bigger teh log the longer the delay so I always use segue to the next log. - Original Message - From: Dan Gruner d...@loudaudio.co.uk To: Rick rickc...@home.nl Cc: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation I have exactly the same issue - although the silence tends to vary from anything up to 10 secs. Very annoying! Dan Gruner Loud Audio Office: 01963 406102 24hr Mobile: 07590 044386 On 12 Mar 2014, at 23:07, Rick rickc...@home.nl wrote: On a dual core on 10% CPU I have about 10 seconds of silence at 00:00 when the log rotates to the next day. I am sure others have solved this a long time ago, so perhaps anybody can tell me how to solve this or share his solution? ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation
Keep in mind these are only work arounds not fix its: It sounds like the record doesn't segue to the log change over. So I'd schedule any recording in RDCatch or change the last item (before log change) in the log to audio with a segue. Or another senario is to have the likes of a log roll-over ID with extended backing theme or something in the Aux deck or hotkeys. The Aux deck is fired from the main log then the main log conintues on to load the next days log. The first item in the next days log could be a macro cart to fade out the Aux deck/stop and pause the main log for a few seconds while the aux deck is fading. This a complicated messy way around it, but it would fill in a variable time space while loading logs around. If possible, I'd use an ID on the sound panel if it can be faded out from a macro cart in the main log instead of using the aux deck with another log. The last option of course, is to have some way for RD to load the logs faster. Unfortunately if RDAirplay is busy loading logs and the logs are qutie fiddly full of stuff it's going to take time to start the next log. I'm not used to this personally with automation systems at log change over but I have voiced ID with a long segue scheduled before log change over, and the opener on the next log has a decent intro time. But the best fix would be how RDAirplay handles this. I noticed years ago I had to get an even faster computer for segues because as RDAirplay did a scan for timed events evey so often RDAirplay's interface would pause a split second and as it did, if a segue happened to fall on the same time period the segue was put on hold until RDAirplay was done doing it's other business. Not the best idea but for most part segues don't fall during RDAirplay background routines. - Original Message - From: Rick rickc...@home.nl To: Gavin Stephens ga...@stephens.net.nz Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation it's a hard timed make next on the last log item every day, so I do not have any skipping issues as this logic excudes this problem but I am very interested how you use RDCatch to get the change over get away, since it is impossible for me to see the exact time of this change over upfront Gavin Stephens schreef op 13-3-2014 3:17: Be careful you don't have the last item in a log with the exact same start time each day. Otherwise you could end up skipping a day. You maybe better to have the last item as a segue then the record as the first item in the next log followed by a stop marker of sorts so you're not loading logs at the end of the record. Unless you want the recording to have no song fading when it starts? You could also use RDCatch for the timed record to get it away from log change over. Cheers, Gavin. - Original Message - From: Rick rickc...@home.nl To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation I use segue and the last item in the overscheduled log is always a hard timed record but always a different one ofcourse Gavin Stephens schreef op 13-3-2014 2:00: How do you guys transistion to the next log? I noticed the bigger teh log the longer the delay so I always use segue to the next log. - Original Message - From: Dan Gruner d...@loudaudio.co.uk To: Rick rickc...@home.nl Cc: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [RDD] silence at log rotation I have exactly the same issue - although the silence tends to vary from anything up to 10 secs. Very annoying! Dan Gruner Loud Audio Office: 01963 406102 24hr Mobile: 07590 044386 On 12 Mar 2014, at 23:07, Rick rickc...@home.nl wrote: On a dual core on 10% CPU I have about 10 seconds of silence at 00:00 when the log rotates to the next day. I am sure others have solved this a long time ago, so perhaps anybody can tell me how to solve this or share his solution? ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
