Re: [RDD] How to use dynamic IP address in Rivendell Hosts?

[Wayne Merricks]

If you're going Open VPN and can spare a computer (or I think the DD-WRT  
compatible routers) have a look at pfsense.org.  Its an amazing piece of  
open source software and is rock solid.   The Open VPN wizards that are  
built in to that are very easy to follow through with some good guides  
dotted around (http://blog.stefcho.eu/?p=492 is for V2 RC1 but the same  
info applies for the full release of V2).

If anyone else is wondering, I would put pfsense down as production  
grade.  I use it on a secondary Internet line instead of a Cisco firewall  
with road warrior VPN and a site to site VPN to India with no problems at  
all.  Its also quite happy with dealing with the Cisco VLANs from our  
internal network so theres not much to moan about.

Its not quite as low power on a standard server as the Cisco firewall  
hardware but it also doesn't cost thousands in hardware and licensing.

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:28:24 -, James Harrison  
 wrote:

> Just make sure if you use OpenVPN you run it in UDP mode, since
> otherwise the latency is an absolute killer for most usage. Of course,
> this implies you've got a fairly reliable link to run it down, since it
> won't tolerate packet loss nicely.
>
> Cheers,
> James Harrison
>
>
> On 19/03/2012 21:26, Kevin Miller wrote:
>> On 03/19/2012 10:59 AM, Fred Gleason wrote:
>>
>>> The specifics are way beyond the scope of this list.  Try googling for  
>>> 'virtual private network' and you'll find lots of info.
>> Check out openVPN - it's very well documented, and fairly easy to set  
>> up...
>>
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Re: [RDD] How to use dynamic IP address in Rivendell Hosts?

[James Harrison]

Just make sure if you use OpenVPN you run it in UDP mode, since 
otherwise the latency is an absolute killer for most usage. Of course, 
this implies you've got a fairly reliable link to run it down, since it 
won't tolerate packet loss nicely.

Cheers,
James Harrison


On 19/03/2012 21:26, Kevin Miller wrote:
> On 03/19/2012 10:59 AM, Fred Gleason wrote:
>
>> The specifics are way beyond the scope of this list.  Try googling for 
>> 'virtual private network' and you'll find lots of info.
> Check out openVPN - it's very well documented, and fairly easy to set up...
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Re: [RDD] How to use dynamic IP address in Rivendell Hosts?

[Kevin Miller]

On 03/19/2012 10:59 AM, Fred Gleason wrote:

> The specifics are way beyond the scope of this list.  Try googling for 
> 'virtual private network' and you'll find lots of info.

Check out openVPN - it's very well documented, and fairly easy to set up...

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Re: [RDD] How to use dynamic IP address in Rivendell Hosts?

[Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio]

alright thanks I'll see what I can do.

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Fred Gleason wrote:

> On Mar 19, 2012, at 14:37 13, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio wrote:
>
> > What latency are you referring to exactly?
>
> Data traffic in general between the two RD systems.  Remote RML calls come
> to mind immediately.
>
>
> > I'll see what I can do but how exactly would I set up a tunnel system on
> a dynamic IP server?
>
> The specifics are way beyond the scope of this list.  Try googling for
> 'virtual private network' and you'll find lots of info.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
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Re: [RDD] How to use dynamic IP address in Rivendell Hosts?

[Fred Gleason]

On Mar 19, 2012, at 14:37 13, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio wrote:

> What latency are you referring to exactly?

Data traffic in general between the two RD systems.  Remote RML calls come to 
mind immediately.


> I'll see what I can do but how exactly would I set up a tunnel system on a 
> dynamic IP server?

The specifics are way beyond the scope of this list.  Try googling for 'virtual 
private network' and you'll find lots of info.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] How to use dynamic IP address in Rivendell Hosts?

[Nathan Steele]

You may also wish to check wether you residential ISP permits running a 
server on the connection anyway, around here most strictly forbid it, at 
least in the contracts, not sure how aggressively they enforce it. Also 
typically in the agreements is an up to bandwidth but no gaurantee of 
any actual bandwidth.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM


On 3/19/2012 2:27 PM, Fred Gleason wrote:
> On Mar 19, 2012, at 14:01 01, James Harrison wrote:
>
>> If you're hosting this from a residential ISP then you should probably 
>> consider if it's really suitable for remotely running Rivendell over, 
>> particularly if you plan to move audio about. Even if you don't, 
>> MySQL/Rivendell prefers low-latency conditions and reliable connectivity (no 
>> to low packet loss etc).
> Correct.  In addition to the dynamic addressing issue already referenced, 
> using 'best effort' public Internet connectivity between RD hosts will be 
> likely to cause you problems due to dropped UDP packets.
>
> If provisioning a business-class network is not an option, then your best bet 
> may be to employ a TCP-based tunnel between the two systems across the 
> unreliable network.  This will make overall latency somewhat worse, but will 
> at least solve the dynamic addressing and dropped packet problems.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
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Re: [RDD] How to use dynamic IP address in Rivendell Hosts?

[Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio]

What latency are you referring to exactly? If you're referring to latency
caused by live audio going from the client to the rivendell server, that
will not be an issue for I'll be using Skype for live shows.

I'll see what I can do but how exactly would I set up a tunnel system on a
dynamic IP server?

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Fred Gleason wrote:

> On Mar 19, 2012, at 14:01 01, James Harrison wrote:
>
> > If you're hosting this from a residential ISP then you should probably
> consider if it's really suitable for remotely running Rivendell over,
> particularly if you plan to move audio about. Even if you don't,
> MySQL/Rivendell prefers low-latency conditions and reliable connectivity
> (no to low packet loss etc).
>
> Correct.  In addition to the dynamic addressing issue already referenced,
> using 'best effort' public Internet connectivity between RD hosts will be
> likely to cause you problems due to dropped UDP packets.
>
> If provisioning a business-class network is not an option, then your best
> bet may be to employ a TCP-based tunnel between the two systems across the
> unreliable network.  This will make overall latency somewhat worse, but
> will at least solve the dynamic addressing and dropped packet problems.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
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Re: [RDD] How to use dynamic IP address in Rivendell Hosts?

[Fred Gleason]

On Mar 19, 2012, at 14:01 01, James Harrison wrote:

> If you're hosting this from a residential ISP then you should probably 
> consider if it's really suitable for remotely running Rivendell over, 
> particularly if you plan to move audio about. Even if you don't, 
> MySQL/Rivendell prefers low-latency conditions and reliable connectivity (no 
> to low packet loss etc).

Correct.  In addition to the dynamic addressing issue already referenced, using 
'best effort' public Internet connectivity between RD hosts will be likely to 
cause you problems due to dropped UDP packets.

If provisioning a business-class network is not an option, then your best bet 
may be to employ a TCP-based tunnel between the two systems across the 
unreliable network.  This will make overall latency somewhat worse, but will at 
least solve the dynamic addressing and dropped packet problems.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] How to use dynamic IP address in Rivendell Hosts?

[Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio]

I am moving to a college campus so in no way can I host Rivendell on my
campus computer, which was my original intention. Their policies forbid
that. So the setup is like this:

Computer #1 located off-campus with a dynamic IP registered as
wrrj.org(and updated with an update client): This is the server. It
hosts the
Rivendell database and music library. It also runs rdairplay most of the
time. It send the audio from rivendell to an internet stream via. JACK and
darkice.

Computer #2 located on the college campus has a dynamic IP and is
registered with the domain wright.edu. This is a client computer which I
will use to access the rivendell server to manipulate the music library and
to control rdairplay for live shows (by using rmlsend to stop rdairplay on
the server and then using rdairplay on the client computer. This set up is
actually interesting because even though the two rdairplays do not match
each other with logs, whatever I play on the client rdairplay also plays on
the server rdairplay... audio only that is so I can't control the logs on
the server rdairplay.)

The music library on the server computer has an nfs filesystem which will
allow the client computer to mount it on the client computer to manipulate.

The server computer does not have a sound card, neither does my streaming
provider support more than one source at the same time... therefore when I
do live shows I will have two skype accounts, and the client and server
will be in a call with each other, and the audio on the server skype will
go through the internet stream... and the audio from Rivendell (playing
live) on the server will go through skype to the client computer.

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:01 PM, James Harrison wrote:

>  If you're hosting this from a residential ISP then you should probably
> consider if it's really suitable for remotely running Rivendell over,
> particularly if you plan to move audio about. Even if you don't,
> MySQL/Rivendell prefers low-latency conditions and reliable connectivity
> (no to low packet loss etc). These are not typically attributes found with
> residential ISPs. Business tier ISPs will provide static IP addresses on
> request if not by default.
>
> What exactly are you trying to achieve in terms of functionality? What
> does your setup look like?
>
> Cheers,
> James Harrison
>
>
> On 19/03/2012 17:57, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio wrote:
>
> I do not have the ability to use static IP... my internet service provider
> does not permit that.
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM, James Harrison 
> wrote:
>
>>  If your domain is pointing at a dynamic IP that's your real problem. In
>> this day and age there is absolutely zero reason for this to be the case -
>> static IP addresses are standard on any host in the entire world, and have
>> been for decades.
>>
>> Not only Rivendell will be encounting problems if you're hosting from a
>> dynamic IP. Fix that, and Rivendell will work just fine and you'll have no
>> issue.
>>
>> I don't know of any way to make Rivendell work with any machines on
>> dynamic IP addresses.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> James Harrison
>>
>>
>> On 19/03/2012 17:49, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio wrote:
>>
>>  Hello!
>>
>>  I run a Rivendell server on the domain www.wrrj.org but unfortunately
>> it is a domain with a dynamic (changing) IP address. Is there any way I can
>> use wrrj.org in my hosts settings in rdadmin instead of constantly
>> trying to change the IP address to the correct one? ...or at least have a
>> different way to work this out?
>>
>>  I can do it now since my client Rivendell computer is on the same
>> network... but I'll be moving away to a different location next week and I
>> do not believe I'll be able to do that anymore for the client computer will
>> no longer reside on the same network as the server computer.
>>
>>  I appreciate your help!
>>
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Re: [RDD] How to use dynamic IP address in Rivendell Hosts?

[James Harrison]

If you're hosting this from a residential ISP then you should probably 
consider if it's really suitable for remotely running Rivendell over, 
particularly if you plan to move audio about. Even if you don't, 
MySQL/Rivendell prefers low-latency conditions and reliable connectivity 
(no to low packet loss etc). These are not typically attributes found 
with residential ISPs. Business tier ISPs will provide static IP 
addresses on request if not by default.


What exactly are you trying to achieve in terms of functionality? What 
does your setup look like?


Cheers,
James Harrison


On 19/03/2012 17:57, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio wrote:
I do not have the ability to use static IP... my internet service 
provider does not permit that.


On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM, James Harrison 
mailto:ja...@talkunafraid.co.uk>> wrote:


If your domain is pointing at a dynamic IP that's your real
problem. In this day and age there is absolutely zero reason for
this to be the case - static IP addresses are standard on any host
in the entire world, and have been for decades.

Not only Rivendell will be encounting problems if you're hosting
from a dynamic IP. Fix that, and Rivendell will work just fine and
you'll have no issue.

I don't know of any way to make Rivendell work with any machines
on dynamic IP addresses.

Cheers,
James Harrison


On 19/03/2012 17:49, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio wrote:

Hello!

I run a Rivendell server on the domain www.wrrj.org
 but unfortunately it is a domain with a
dynamic (changing) IP address. Is there any way I can use
wrrj.org  in my hosts settings in rdadmin
instead of constantly trying to change the IP address to the
correct one? ...or at least have a different way to work this out?

I can do it now since my client Rivendell computer is on the same
network... but I'll be moving away to a different location next
week and I do not believe I'll be able to do that anymore for the
client computer will no longer reside on the same network as the
server computer.

I appreciate your help!


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Re: [RDD] How to use dynamic IP address in Rivendell Hosts?

[Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio]

I do not have the ability to use static IP... my internet service provider
does not permit that.

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM, James Harrison wrote:

>  If your domain is pointing at a dynamic IP that's your real problem. In
> this day and age there is absolutely zero reason for this to be the case -
> static IP addresses are standard on any host in the entire world, and have
> been for decades.
>
> Not only Rivendell will be encounting problems if you're hosting from a
> dynamic IP. Fix that, and Rivendell will work just fine and you'll have no
> issue.
>
> I don't know of any way to make Rivendell work with any machines on
> dynamic IP addresses.
>
> Cheers,
> James Harrison
>
>
> On 19/03/2012 17:49, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
>  I run a Rivendell server on the domain www.wrrj.org but unfortunately it
> is a domain with a dynamic (changing) IP address. Is there any way I can
> use wrrj.org in my hosts settings in rdadmin instead of constantly trying
> to change the IP address to the correct one? ...or at least have a
> different way to work this out?
>
>  I can do it now since my client Rivendell computer is on the same
> network... but I'll be moving away to a different location next week and I
> do not believe I'll be able to do that anymore for the client computer will
> no longer reside on the same network as the server computer.
>
>  I appreciate your help!
>
>
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Re: [RDD] How to use dynamic IP address in Rivendell Hosts?

[James Harrison]

If your domain is pointing at a dynamic IP that's your real problem. In 
this day and age there is absolutely zero reason for this to be the case 
- static IP addresses are standard on any host in the entire world, and 
have been for decades.


Not only Rivendell will be encounting problems if you're hosting from a 
dynamic IP. Fix that, and Rivendell will work just fine and you'll have 
no issue.


I don't know of any way to make Rivendell work with any machines on 
dynamic IP addresses.


Cheers,
James Harrison


On 19/03/2012 17:49, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio wrote:

Hello!

I run a Rivendell server on the domain www.wrrj.org 
 but unfortunately it is a domain with a dynamic 
(changing) IP address. Is there any way I can use wrrj.org 
 in my hosts settings in rdadmin instead of 
constantly trying to change the IP address to the correct one? ...or 
at least have a different way to work this out?


I can do it now since my client Rivendell computer is on the same 
network... but I'll be moving away to a different location next week 
and I do not believe I'll be able to do that anymore for the client 
computer will no longer reside on the same network as the server computer.


I appreciate your help!


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