Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell?
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio wrote: It's both. It's MPEG I Layer 2 data (popularly, and misleadingly, known as 'MP2'), in a Broadcast Wave File container. WAV is a file container format, not an audio encoding scheme. As such, it's perfectly possible (and in fact, common in pro-audio setups) to have non-PCM data in a WAV file. NPR's Content Depot delivers recorded programs in precisely that format: MPEG 1 Layer 2 at 256 kbps as a RIFF .WAV file. Rob___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell?
It does... that's basically what I did. ...and sorry I didn't say my previous note correctly. What I meant to say is mp2 doesn't support 256k when saving as a wav... it must be saved as .mp2 and then renamed to .wav. On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 4:26 PM, John Anderson wrote: > if memory serves me, and i am not near a rivendell computer right now, try > and rename a mp2 file to wav...i think Rivendell, and most programs read > it, cartchunk and all > > -- > *From:* Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio > *To:* User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System < > rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:12 PM > *Subject:* Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell? > > Hello thanks for all the tips... I figured out how to use ffmpeg to > convert the PCM wav to MP2 wav on 256kbps when it originally was saying > that mp2 doesn't support 256k bitrate. It only supports that bitrate when > the mp2 audio is saved as a wav. Weird. > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Fernando Della Torre > wrote: > > Hello All, > > WAV is not a format, wav is a conteiner as Fred said, what we call wav is > in fact PCM. > WAV files can carry almost any format, such as ADPCM flavors, MP3, MP2, > GSM, etc. > > Thank of wav being a box that you can fill with any format depending on > wich codec you use. > > > Regards, > > Fernando Della Torre > > (16) 8137-1240 > (16) 9137-2886 > > > > > > 2012/3/19 Cowboy > > On Monday 19 March 2012 05:18:13 pm Fred Gleason wrote: > > It's both. It's MPEG I Layer 2 data (popularly, and misleadingly, known > as 'MP2'), in a Broadcast Wave File container. > > WAV is a file container format, not an audio encoding scheme. > > If memory serves, WAV was originally nothing more than Sun AU format, > with some extra unnecessary crap tacked on, to make it ( at the time ) > Microsoft proprietary, then deliberately misleadingly called a "format" > by Microsoft. > > -- > Cowboy > > http://cowboy.cwf1.com > > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > > > > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > > > > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > > > > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > > ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell?
if memory serves me, and i am not near a rivendell computer right now, try and rename a mp2 file to wav...i think Rivendell, and most programs read it, cartchunk and all > > From: Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio >To: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System > >Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:12 PM >Subject: Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell? > > >Hello thanks for all the tips... I figured out how to use ffmpeg to convert >the PCM wav to MP2 wav on 256kbps when it originally was saying that mp2 >doesn't support 256k bitrate. It only supports that bitrate when the mp2 audio >is saved as a wav. Weird. > > >On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Fernando Della Torre >wrote: > >Hello All, >> >>WAV is not a format, wav is a conteiner as Fred said, what we call wav is in >>fact PCM. >>WAV files can carry almost any format, such as ADPCM flavors, MP3, MP2, GSM, >>etc. >> >>Thank of wav being a box that you can fill with any format depending on wich >>codec you use. >> >> >>Regards, >> >>Fernando Della Torre >> >>(16) 8137-1240 >>(16) 9137-2886 >> >> >> >> >> >> >>2012/3/19 Cowboy >> >>On Monday 19 March 2012 05:18:13 pm Fred Gleason wrote: >>>> It's both. It's MPEG I Layer 2 data (popularly, and misleadingly, known >>>> as 'MP2'), in a Broadcast Wave File container. >>>> WAV is a file container format, not an audio encoding scheme. >>> >>> If memory serves, WAV was originally nothing more than Sun AU format, >>> with some extra unnecessary crap tacked on, to make it ( at the time ) >>> Microsoft proprietary, then deliberately misleadingly called a "format" >>> by Microsoft. >>> >>>-- >>>Cowboy >>> >>>http://cowboy.cwf1.com >>> >>> >>>___ >>>Rivendell-dev mailing list >>>Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org >>>http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev >>> >> >>___ >>Rivendell-dev mailing list >>Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org >>http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev >> >> > >___ >Rivendell-dev mailing list >Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org >http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > > >___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell?
Hello thanks for all the tips... I figured out how to use ffmpeg to convert the PCM wav to MP2 wav on 256kbps when it originally was saying that mp2 doesn't support 256k bitrate. It only supports that bitrate when the mp2 audio is saved as a wav. Weird. On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Fernando Della Torre wrote: > Hello All, > > WAV is not a format, wav is a conteiner as Fred said, what we call wav is > in fact PCM. > WAV files can carry almost any format, such as ADPCM flavors, MP3, MP2, > GSM, etc. > > Thank of wav being a box that you can fill with any format depending on > wich codec you use. > > > Regards, > > Fernando Della Torre > > (16) 8137-1240 > (16) 9137-2886 > > > > > > 2012/3/19 Cowboy > >> On Monday 19 March 2012 05:18:13 pm Fred Gleason wrote: >> > It's both. It's MPEG I Layer 2 data (popularly, and misleadingly, >> known as 'MP2'), in a Broadcast Wave File container. >> > WAV is a file container format, not an audio encoding scheme. >> >> If memory serves, WAV was originally nothing more than Sun AU format, >> with some extra unnecessary crap tacked on, to make it ( at the time ) >> Microsoft proprietary, then deliberately misleadingly called a "format" >> by Microsoft. >> >> -- >> Cowboy >> >> http://cowboy.cwf1.com >> >> ___ >> Rivendell-dev mailing list >> Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org >> http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev >> > > > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > > ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell?
Hello All, WAV is not a format, wav is a conteiner as Fred said, what we call wav is in fact PCM. WAV files can carry almost any format, such as ADPCM flavors, MP3, MP2, GSM, etc. Thank of wav being a box that you can fill with any format depending on wich codec you use. Regards, Fernando Della Torre (16) 8137-1240 (16) 9137-2886 2012/3/19 Cowboy > On Monday 19 March 2012 05:18:13 pm Fred Gleason wrote: > > It's both. It's MPEG I Layer 2 data (popularly, and misleadingly, known > as 'MP2'), in a Broadcast Wave File container. > > WAV is a file container format, not an audio encoding scheme. > > If memory serves, WAV was originally nothing more than Sun AU format, > with some extra unnecessary crap tacked on, to make it ( at the time ) > Microsoft proprietary, then deliberately misleadingly called a "format" > by Microsoft. > > -- > Cowboy > > http://cowboy.cwf1.com > > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell?
On Monday 19 March 2012 05:18:13 pm Fred Gleason wrote: > It's both. It's MPEG I Layer 2 data (popularly, and misleadingly, known as > 'MP2'), in a Broadcast Wave File container. > WAV is a file container format, not an audio encoding scheme. If memory serves, WAV was originally nothing more than Sun AU format, with some extra unnecessary crap tacked on, to make it ( at the time ) Microsoft proprietary, then deliberately misleadingly called a "format" by Microsoft. -- Cowboy http://cowboy.cwf1.com ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell?
So if ffmpeg is saying 256kbps is not a supported bitrate for mp2 how do I convert my wavs to 256kbps mp2? On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio < xana...@gmail.com> wrote: > Interesting because my computer still says the audio is in x-wav format. > But maybe it's just basing that off of metadata and not actually looking at > the audio file itself. > > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Fred Gleason wrote: > >> On Mar 19, 2012, at 17:02 43, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio wrote: >> >> > Is this true that it really isn't mp2 but actually just a lower bitrate >> wav? >> >> It's both. It's MPEG I Layer 2 data (popularly, and misleadingly, known >> as 'MP2'), in a Broadcast Wave File container. >> WAV is a file container format, not an audio encoding scheme. As such, >> it's perfectly possible (and in fact, common in pro-audio setups) to have >> non-PCM data in a WAV file. >> >> Sounds like your system is working perfectly. >> >> Cheers! >> >> >> >> |-| >> | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer >> | >> | | Paravel Systems >> | >> >> |-| >> | A room without books is like a body without a soul. >> | >> | -- Cicero >> | >> >> |-| >> >> ___ >> Rivendell-dev mailing list >> Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org >> http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev >> > > ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell?
Interesting because my computer still says the audio is in x-wav format. But maybe it's just basing that off of metadata and not actually looking at the audio file itself. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Fred Gleason wrote: > On Mar 19, 2012, at 17:02 43, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio wrote: > > > Is this true that it really isn't mp2 but actually just a lower bitrate > wav? > > It's both. It's MPEG I Layer 2 data (popularly, and misleadingly, known > as 'MP2'), in a Broadcast Wave File container. > WAV is a file container format, not an audio encoding scheme. As such, > it's perfectly possible (and in fact, common in pro-audio setups) to have > non-PCM data in a WAV file. > > Sounds like your system is working perfectly. > > Cheers! > > > |-| > | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | > | | Paravel Systems | > |-| > | A room without books is like a body without a soul.| > | -- Cicero | > |-| > > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell?
On Mar 19, 2012, at 17:02 43, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio wrote: > Is this true that it really isn't mp2 but actually just a lower bitrate wav? It's both. It's MPEG I Layer 2 data (popularly, and misleadingly, known as 'MP2'), in a Broadcast Wave File container. WAV is a file container format, not an audio encoding scheme. As such, it's perfectly possible (and in fact, common in pro-audio setups) to have non-PCM data in a WAV file. Sounds like your system is working perfectly. Cheers! |-| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | | | Paravel Systems | |-| | A room without books is like a body without a soul.| | -- Cicero | |-| ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell?
Patrick, I've never heard of a 256 kbps wav file. Wav is a PCM lossless format, and is thus always has a bitrate = sampling frequency * bit depth * channels. For CD quality (44.1 kHz, 16-bit, stereo) this works out to 1411.2 kbps. I know of no standard combination of the previously mentioned parameters that would lead to a 256 kbps wav file. That said, 256 kbps is a standard MP3 bitrate. Is this maybe what you mean? -Andy On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 15:02, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio < xana...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks but it appears Rivendell doesn't actually save in mp2 on that > setting but instead saves as a 256kbps wav file (NOT converted as an mp2 > because according to ffmpeg mp2 cannot be converted in a bitrate of > 256kbps). > > Is this true that it really isn't mp2 but actually just a lower bitrate > wav? > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Scott Powell wrote: > >> If memory serves me right >> >> Configuration>RdAdmin>Manage Host>RdLibrary>Format. switch from PCM16 to >> Mpeg2 >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio < >> xana...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> This is a dumb question but I cannot for the world find the answer on >>> Google. >>> >>> How do I get Rivendell to store and use my music library as MPEG layer 2 >>> (mp2)? >>> >>> ___ >>> Rivendell-dev mailing list >>> Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org >>> http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> scottp. >> scottpowellonline.com >> scottandkrista.net >> >> ___ >> Rivendell-dev mailing list >> Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org >> http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev >> >> > > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > > ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell?
>Thanks but it appears Rivendell doesn't actually save in mp2 on that setting but instead >saves as a 256kbps wav file (NOT converted as an mp2 because according to ffmpeg >mp2 >cannot be converted in a bitrate of 256kbps). If I recall correctly, I believe it's still stored as mp2, but RD uses the wav container to store that in. It will have .wav as the extension, but is actually mp2 if you have that selected in RDAdmin. The bitrate can be controlled by you, also in RDAdmin, though I don't recall a rate that would create 256kbpsbut I could be wrong. That's the way it is on my mp2 system here. Tim ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell?
Thanks but it appears Rivendell doesn't actually save in mp2 on that setting but instead saves as a 256kbps wav file (NOT converted as an mp2 because according to ffmpeg mp2 cannot be converted in a bitrate of 256kbps). Is this true that it really isn't mp2 but actually just a lower bitrate wav? On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Scott Powell wrote: > If memory serves me right > > Configuration>RdAdmin>Manage Host>RdLibrary>Format. switch from PCM16 to > Mpeg2 > > > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio < > xana...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This is a dumb question but I cannot for the world find the answer on >> Google. >> >> How do I get Rivendell to store and use my music library as MPEG layer 2 >> (mp2)? >> >> ___ >> Rivendell-dev mailing list >> Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org >> http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev >> >> > > > -- > scottp. > scottpowellonline.com > scottandkrista.net > > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > > ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] How to use mp2 as music library in Rivendell?
If memory serves me right Configuration>RdAdmin>Manage Host>RdLibrary>Format. switch from PCM16 to Mpeg2 On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio < xana...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is a dumb question but I cannot for the world find the answer on > Google. > > How do I get Rivendell to store and use my music library as MPEG layer 2 > (mp2)? > > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > > -- scottp. scottpowellonline.com scottandkrista.net ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
