Re: fs #10336
or was your question what happens if you are on a file or folder name and release the joystick. well, in that event the name is spelled out. I don't have a problem with this, as if you are just scrolling by single up or down movements of the joystick you need to keep track of where you are. but if you are scrolling to the end or the beginning my argument is you should know where you are going to end up, and so it would be good if releasing the joystick cut the speech off. Yes, this is what I meant. If simply releasing the button were to truncate voice output, then it would do it even if you're only moving up and down one item at a time and that would make voice navigation useless. I suppose it could do this: a) Only if the button was held (i.e. you moved multiple items due to key repeat)? b) Or only if you're at the top/bottom of a list? c) Or only if both of the above apply? Hi. If I understand your suggestion right, I think c would probably be the best option. My idea would be that speech output is not cut off by releasing of the joystick, unless you are scrolling to the top or bottom of a list in the file browser, this would result in the file name or folder name being read, or in my case spelled which is why I think this feature would be useful. releasing of the joystick would result in the speech being stopped. Of course, scrolling single items and having the speech cut off when the joystick is released would not be desirable at all, even if you were reaching the top or bottom of a list. I'd prefer to keep it simple... ;-) Yes I agree, I like the sound of the idea in my own mind, but I have a feeling of course I would actually have to see it in practice to get a feeling if it was really desirable.
Re: fs #10336
> or was your question what happens if you are on a file or folder name and > release the joystick. well, in that event the name is spelled out. I don't > have a problem with this, as if you are just scrolling by single up or > down movements of the joystick you need to keep track of where you are. > but if you are scrolling to the end or the beginning my argument is you > should know where you are going to end up, and so it would be good if > releasing the joystick cut the speech off. Yes, this is what I meant. If simply releasing the button were to truncate voice output, then it would do it even if you're only moving up and down one item at a time and that would make voice navigation useless. I suppose it could do this: a) Only if the button was held (i.e. you moved multiple items due to key repeat)? b) Or only if you're at the top/bottom of a list? c) Or only if both of the above apply? I'd prefer to keep it simple... ;-) pondlife
Re: fs #10336
Hi Alex, OK, I've done a quick resync, but not tested the patch - please do so and report back on Flyspray. but presumably if your holding down the joystick to go to the end or beginning of a list of files or menus, you should already know where you want to be and what you will hear. the speech not interrupting isn't really an issue for menus, but I don't want to hear a massive folder name if I know that's where I was aiming for in the first place in the file browser, but of course mine is one oppinion, so I say let the majority rule. I see your point, but still think this should be a seperate patch. Hiow does the current (unpatched) code handle this situation? I am not arguing about the interruption of the speech being a separate patch. However in answer to your question, if you remember the hole point of fs# 10336 is that without it the speech does not announce an item when you scroll to the beginning or end of a list by holding up or down. 10336 simply makes the speech announce items at the end or beginning of a list if you scroll to it by holding up or down. or was your question what happens if you are on a file or folder name and release the joystick. well, in that event the name is spelled out. I don't have a problem with this, as if you are just scrolling by single up or down movements of the joystick you need to keep track of where you are. but if you are scrolling to the end or the beginning my argument is you should know where you are going to end up, and so it would be good if releasing the joystick cut the speech off.
Re: fs #10336
Hi Alex, OK, I've done a quick resync, but not tested the patch - please do so and report back on Flyspray. > but presumably if your holding down the joystick to go to the end or > beginning of a list of files or menus, you should already know where you > want to be and what you will hear. > the speech not interrupting isn't really an issue for menus, but I don't > want to hear a massive folder name if I know that's where I was aiming for > in the first place in the file browser, but of course mine is one > oppinion, so I say let the majority rule. I see your point, but still think this should be a seperate patch. Hiow does the current (unpatched) code handle this situation? pondlife
Re: fs #10336
Hi Alex, I'm probably not going to get time to look at this before the 9th of August, but I'd very much like to see it committed as long as it doesn't break anything. However, I think what would be good would be if your browsing in the file browser particularly if you are using spelling of file or folder names would be that if you scroll to the beginning or end of a list by holding up or down, as soon as you release the joystick spelling of the file or folder name is interrupted. I think this would be good because otherwise you have to listen to a huge long name. Whereas if releasing the joystick cut the speech off it means you don't have to put up with this information. If I understand you correctly, this should be a seperate patch. Personallly, I'd rather not interrupt the speech as I normally want to stop the list scrolling and then hear where I'm at in full. but presumably if your holding down the joystick to go to the end or beginning of a list of files or menus, you should already know where you want to be and what you will hear. the speech not interrupting isn't really an issue for menus, but I don't want to hear a massive folder name if I know that's where I was aiming for in the first place in the file browser, but of course mine is one oppinion, so I say let the majority rule.
Re: fs #10336
Hi Alex, I'm probably not going to get time to look at this before the 9th of August, but I'd very much like to see it committed as long as it doesn't break anything. > However, I think what would be good would be if your browsing in the file > browser particularly if you are using spelling of file or folder names > would > be that if you scroll to the beginning or end of a list by holding up or > down, as soon as you release the joystick spelling of the file or folder > name > is interrupted. I think this would be good because otherwise you have to > listen to a huge long name. Whereas if releasing the joystick cut the > speech off it means you don't have to put up with this information. If I understand you correctly, this should be a seperate patch. Personallly, I'd rather not interrupt the speech as I normally want to stop the list scrolling and then hear where I'm at in full. pondlife
fs #10336
Hi. I am wondering, would it be possible for this to be resynced please? as it appears to have gone out of sync recently. I also tried posting a comment in the tracker with a suggestion for improvement, if this could be implemented, do you think it might be possible to commit fs #10336? the reason I am writing to the dev list is that My last comment on the task did not elicit a response, I am guessing pondlife didn't notice it or something. for reference, my comment with the suggestion for improvement in the tracker was "However, I think what would be good would be if your browsing in the file browser particularly if you are using spelling of file or folder names would be that if you scroll to the beginning or end of a list by holding up or down, as soon as you release the joystick spelling of the file or folder name is interrupted. I think this would be good because otherwise you have to listen to a huge long name. Whereas if releasing the joystick cut the speech off it means you don't have to put up with this information. That is the only problem I have with this patch though. If my above idea could be introduced I would be quite happy to use this instead of Stephanes beep patch."
