Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
Hi Colin, Please put me on the list as well, would You? Because of a real shitty RL situation I haven't been able to contribute the way I would like to, but believe me when I say I am committed to the success of the ReactOS project. I guess we all have our own reasons.. Mine is by and large to be free of Microsoft! As a side note, my shitty RL situation is largely responsible for my occasional tantrums, for which I am truly sorry. Taking my RL frustrations out on my Brothers In Arms is *unfair*. I am trying hard to find a more stable RL solution that will allow me to allocate time to ReactOS coding, but nothing is yet for certain .. all just a glimmer of hope. Peace // Love On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM, ros-dev-requ...@reactos.org wrote: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:32:20 +0200 From: co...@reactos.org To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday Hi folks, As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting. While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the following points in this order: - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just giving hints on how you can get on this list - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to help You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website discussions for example. If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position again and I would take the meeting leader role. My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people will be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell me if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list: - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_) - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald) - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir) - Maciej Bialas (niski) - Aleksey Bragin (abragin) - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck) - Danny Götte (dangerground) - Cameron Gutman (aicom) - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit) - Rafal Harabien (rafalh) - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth) - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi) - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer) - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri) - Michael Martin (mjmartin) - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal) - Roel Messiant (Mephisto) - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon) - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy) - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp) - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin) - Daniel Reimer (dreimer) - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter) - Samuel Serapion (encoded) - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr) - James Tabor (jimtabor) - Art Yerkes (arty) ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
I know exactly what you mean. I live with autism (although not severe) and depression and it's not good stuff that these things occur. I have seen your past mails and they are not too shabby. Allocating time is a hard thing because unlike ReactOS I do not have a priority-driven round-robin scheduler. Hope you get better soon mate. On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 16:55:38 +1000, Love Nystrom love.nyst...@gmail.com wrote: As a side note, my shitty RL situation is largely responsible for my occasional tantrums, for which I am truly sorry. Taking my RL frustrations out on my Brothers In Arms is *unfair*. I am trying hard to find a more stable RL solution that will allow me to allocate time to ReactOS coding, but nothing is yet for certain .. all just a glimmer of hope. ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it either. By the way, even if my late activity is hindered by life schedule being quite erratic, could I request the honor of being considered as a ReactOS team member. I'm looking forward the results of this meeting. Best regards. Jérôme. ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
Team, may I suggest we create a branch for Andrew? Thanks. Gabriel. Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:42:30 +1000 From: greenie...@gmail.com To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday Probably best not to vote on this. As there will be people that don't understand what I'm trying to do and what the actual consequences and benefits are. I will just do it the way I see it in my mind, and you guys can check out the results. If you do have any interest you can of course contact me on irc or by email. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andrew Green greenie...@gmail.com wrote: Actually they can't be merged at the moment. They can be in seperate directories on the same cd eg reactos and reactoslive. This is how it was done for the dual boot cd's distributed, at that convention. The reason why is that usetup deletes smss.exe and replaces it with itself, and the livecd requires the original smss.exe also those cd's were 200mb+. Currently loading smss.exe is hardcoded into ntoskrnl.exe. So ntoskrnl.exe needs to be fixed. plus server files like ntoskrnl.exe,ntkrnlmp.exe,hal.exe, etc are identical to the livecd ones except are in the reactos folder instead of the system32 folder. Also the reason I'm asking this is because my google summer of code project is to be able to install from the livecd. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Zachary Gorden drakekaizer...@gmail.com wrote: We already have the capability to merge the two. But there's nothing fundamentally broken in having two versions until such time as we can actually install from the liveCD. Until that happens, I don't see a convincing argument for merging the two, since the ones outlined above seem to boil down to it might confuse people. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Timo Kreuzer timo.kreu...@web.de wrote: Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin: Disadvantages -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10 revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed connection all the time too. Although its a valid point, I understood it as we wanted to switch to a 1st stage gui installer(?) In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway. Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be. Regards, Timo ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
Edijus at IRC wants to be voiced for the meeting... he is not subscribed to this ML, thats why im emailing what do u think? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Gabriel ilardi gabrielila...@hotmail.itwrote: Team, may I suggest we create a branch for Andrew? Thanks. Gabriel. Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:42:30 +1000 From: greenie...@gmail.com To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday Probably best not to vote on this. As there will be people that don't understand what I'm trying to do and what the actual consequences and benefits are. I will just do it the way I see it in my mind, and you guys can check out the results. If you do have any interest you can of course contact me on irc or by email. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andrew Green greenie...@gmail.com wrote: Actually they can't be merged at the moment. They can be in seperate directories on the same cd eg reactos and reactoslive. This is how it was done for the dual boot cd's distributed, at that convention. The reason why is that usetup deletes smss.exe and replaces it with itself, and the livecd requires the original smss.exe also those cd's were 200mb+. Currently loading smss.exe is hardcoded into ntoskrnl.exe. So ntoskrnl.exe needs to be fixed. plus server files like ntoskrnl.exe,ntkrnlmp.exe,hal.exe, etc are identical to the livecd ones except are in the reactos folder instead of the system32 folder. Also the reason I'm asking this is because my google summer of code project is to be able to install from the livecd. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Zachary Gorden drakekaizer...@gmail.com wrote: We already have the capability to merge the two. But there's nothing fundamentally broken in having two versions until such time as we can actually install from the liveCD. Until that happens, I don't see a convincing argument for merging the two, since the ones outlined above seem to boil down to it might confuse people. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Timo Kreuzer timo.kreu...@web.de wrote: Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin: Disadvantages -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10 revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed connection all the time too. Although its a valid point, I understood it as we wanted to switch to a 1st stage gui installer(?) In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway. Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be. Regards, Timo ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
In IRC someone thought my message was implying that everyone is stupid. It was not my intention. I just meant everyone may not know what is going on as no one can spare time to learn everything. It is unfair to call a vote on something that people are not interested in, and have not researched. It would also be unfair to ask them to research it. If you are interested feel free to contact me and we can discuss how everything will work. Also remember I love all of you ;) On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Andrew Green greenie...@gmail.com wrote: Probably best not to vote on this. As there will be people that don't understand what I'm trying to do and what the actual consequences and benefits are. I will just do it the way I see it in my mind, and you guys can check out the results. If you do have any interest you can of course contact me on irc or by email. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andrew Green greenie...@gmail.com wrote: Actually they can't be merged at the moment. They can be in seperate directories on the same cd eg reactos and reactoslive. This is how it was done for the dual boot cd's distributed, at that convention. The reason why is that usetup deletes smss.exe and replaces it with itself, and the livecd requires the original smss.exe also those cd's were 200mb+. Currently loading smss.exe is hardcoded into ntoskrnl.exe. So ntoskrnl.exe needs to be fixed. plus server files like ntoskrnl.exe,ntkrnlmp.exe,hal.exe, etc are identical to the livecd ones except are in the reactos folder instead of the system32 folder. Also the reason I'm asking this is because my google summer of code project is to be able to install from the livecd. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Zachary Gorden drakekaizer...@gmail.com wrote: We already have the capability to merge the two. But there's nothing fundamentally broken in having two versions until such time as we can actually install from the liveCD. Until that happens, I don't see a convincing argument for merging the two, since the ones outlined above seem to boil down to it might confuse people. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Timo Kreuzer timo.kreu...@web.de wrote: Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin: Disadvantages -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10 revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed connection all the time too. Although its a valid point, I understood it as we wanted to switch to a 1st stage gui installer(?) In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway. Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be. Regards, Timo ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
Why? What for? 2011/3/31 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo elh...@gmail.com Edijus at IRC wants to be voiced for the meeting... he is not subscribed to this ML, thats why im emailing what do u think? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Gabriel ilardi gabrielila...@hotmail.it wrote: Team, may I suggest we create a branch for Andrew? Thanks. Gabriel. Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:42:30 +1000 From: greenie...@gmail.com To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday Probably best not to vote on this. As there will be people that don't understand what I'm trying to do and what the actual consequences and benefits are. I will just do it the way I see it in my mind, and you guys can check out the results. If you do have any interest you can of course contact me on irc or by email. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andrew Green greenie...@gmail.com wrote: Actually they can't be merged at the moment. They can be in seperate directories on the same cd eg reactos and reactoslive. This is how it was done for the dual boot cd's distributed, at that convention. The reason why is that usetup deletes smss.exe and replaces it with itself, and the livecd requires the original smss.exe also those cd's were 200mb+. Currently loading smss.exe is hardcoded into ntoskrnl.exe. So ntoskrnl.exe needs to be fixed. plus server files like ntoskrnl.exe,ntkrnlmp.exe,hal.exe, etc are identical to the livecd ones except are in the reactos folder instead of the system32 folder. Also the reason I'm asking this is because my google summer of code project is to be able to install from the livecd. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Zachary Gorden drakekaizer...@gmail.com wrote: We already have the capability to merge the two. But there's nothing fundamentally broken in having two versions until such time as we can actually install from the liveCD. Until that happens, I don't see a convincing argument for merging the two, since the ones outlined above seem to boil down to it might confuse people. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Timo Kreuzer timo.kreu...@web.de wrote: Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin: Disadvantages -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10 revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed connection all the time too. Although its a valid point, I understood it as we wanted to switch to a 1st stage gui installer(?) In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway. Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be. Regards, Timo ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
Unfortunately I will not be able to make this meeting. For the ReactOS member definition, It may be best to keep the definition vague. Something like current members decide based on the persons involvement in testing and/or developing. I am still slowly pluggin away on ehci driver. Slow partly due to limited time. I am also back into Win32k a bit to get a break from USB, looking at fixing bug 5580 and removing some duplicate code. Also looking at reworking SendMessageCallback as I believe my original implementation was not 100% correct. More testing I am doing will confirm. Looking forward to seeing notes from meeting, especially GSOC status. Mike Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:32:20 +0200 From: co...@reactos.org To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday Hi folks, As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting. While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the following points in this order: - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just giving hints on how you can get on this list - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to help You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website discussions for example. If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position again and I would take the meeting leader role. My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people will be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell me if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list: - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_) - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald) - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir) - Maciej Bialas (niski) - Aleksey Bragin (abragin) - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck) - Danny Götte (dangerground) - Cameron Gutman (aicom) - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit) - Rafal Harabien (rafalh) - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth) - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi) - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer) - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri) - Michael Martin (mjmartin) - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal) - Roel Messiant (Mephisto) - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon) - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy) - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp) - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin) - Daniel Reimer (dreimer) - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter) - Samuel Serapion (encoded) - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr) - James Tabor (jimtabor) - Art Yerkes (arty) Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating observer though. I'll hand you all connection details when we're ready. With best regards, Colin ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
Looks like an interesting project. Another advantage I see is that we can potentially rid ourselves of the text-based setup and have a GUI based setup and thus make the install potentially quicker. I would definitely put a vote in for this one. As for the larger ISO - the Linux ISOs I notice tend to be much larger anyway at the moment. I would be more worried if it exceeds 180MB or so. :) On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:16:11 +1100, Andrew Green greenie...@gmail.com wrote: Could a vote on merging the livecd and bootcd(no cab file) be put up in the meeting? The mailing list has not really been an indicator of what everyone wants. I suppose a ram disk could be used and install from a cab. Though I know nothing about how this would work and if this could be implemented in the 2 to 3 weeks that could be spent on merging the discs. Advantages -Only build and maintain one cd. -Saves space on server(not having to build and save 2 discs) -No confusion about what cd someone installed from. -Simple to implement as opposed to a ram disk. to install everything to from a cab. Disadvantages -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:34 PM, victor martinez vicmar...@hotmail.com wrote: Gabriel, nice to see you around!! :) From: gabrielila...@hotmail.it To: ros-dev@reactos.org Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:45:53 +0200 Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday Hi Colin, Please add me to the list, I'm quite busy with rl but I still want to be in :) Gabriel. Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:32:20 +0200 From: co...@reactos.org To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday Hi folks, As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting. While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the following points in this order: - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just giving hints on how you can get on this list - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to help You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website discussions for example. If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position again and I would take the meeting leader role. My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people will be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell me if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list: - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_) - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald) - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir) - Maciej Bialas (niski) - Aleksey Bragin (abragin) - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck) - Danny Götte (dangerground) - Cameron Gutman (aicom) - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit) - Rafal Harabien (rafalh) - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth) - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi) - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer) - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri) - Michael Martin (mjmartin) - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal) - Roel Messiant (Mephisto) - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon) - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy) - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp) - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin) - Daniel Reimer (dreimer) - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter) - Samuel Serapion (encoded) - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr) - James Tabor (jimtabor) - Art Yerkes (arty) Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating observer though. I'll hand you all connection details when we're ready. With best regards, Colin ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
The buildtime will naturally increase as improvements are made etc. One can expect this sort of thing to happen. The only solution that I can think of to that (if possible would be applicable to the current targets now but I am not sure how feasable this is) is to allow exclusion of unwanted or unnecessary modules. About postponing the decision; I am not in any rush to see it implemented, not sure about others. A poll (as Andrew Green originally suggested) is not an idea I would dismiss though. At least it would give some insight as to who would want to be seeing this implemented or not. On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:47:12 +1100, Olaf Siejka cae...@gmail.com wrote: - buildtime increase? It wont be much, but still, every build target means some time spent Are we ready for such decision? I think it could be postponed to next month. 2011/3/30 Adam geekdun...@gmail.com Looks like an interesting project. Another advantage I see is that we can potentially rid ourselves of the text-based setup and have a GUI based setup and thus make the install potentially quicker. I would definitely put a vote in for this one. As for the larger ISO - the Linux ISOs I notice tend to be much larger anyway at the moment. I would be more worried if it exceeds 180MB or so. :) On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:16:11 +1100, Andrew Green greenie...@gmail.com wrote: Could a vote on merging the livecd and bootcd(no cab file) be put up in the meeting? The mailing list has not really been an indicator of what everyone wants. I suppose a ram disk could be used and install from a cab. Though I know nothing about how this would work and if this could be implemented in the 2 to 3 weeks that could be spent on merging the discs. Advantages -Only build and maintain one cd. -Saves space on server(not having to build and save 2 discs) -No confusion about what cd someone installed from. -Simple to implement as opposed to a ram disk. to install everything to from a cab. Disadvantages -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:34 PM, victor martinez vicmar...@hotmail.com wrote: Gabriel, nice to see you around!! :) From: gabrielila...@hotmail.it To: ros-dev@reactos.org Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:45:53 +0200 Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday Hi Colin, Please add me to the list, I'm quite busy with rl but I still want to be in :) Gabriel. Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:32:20 +0200 From: co...@reactos.org To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday Hi folks, As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting. While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the following points in this order: - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just giving hints on how you can get on this list - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to help You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website discussions for example. If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position again and I would take the meeting leader role. My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people will be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell me if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list: - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_) - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald) - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir) - Maciej Bialas (niski) - Aleksey Bragin (abragin) - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck) - Danny Götte (dangerground) - Cameron Gutman (aicom) - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit) - Rafal Harabien (rafalh) - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth) - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi) - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer) - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri) - Michael Martin (mjmartin) - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal) - Roel Messiant (Mephisto) - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon) - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy) - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp) - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin) - Daniel Reimer (dreimer) - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter) - Samuel Serapion (encoded) - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr) - James Tabor (jimtabor) - Art Yerkes (arty) Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating observer
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
On Mar 30, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Andrew Green wrote: Advantages -Only build and maintain one cd. -Saves space on server(not having to build and save 2 discs) -No confusion about what cd someone installed from. There is no (easy) way to install ReactOS without using bootcd, so it's really the only option. -Simple to implement as opposed to a ram disk. to install everything to from a cab. Disadvantages -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10 revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed connection all the time too. WBR, Aleksey. ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Aleksey Bragin alek...@reactos.org wrote: On Mar 30, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Andrew Green wrote: Advantages -Only build and maintain one cd. -Saves space on server(not having to build and save 2 discs) -No confusion about what cd someone installed from. There is no (easy) way to install ReactOS without using bootcd, so it's really the only option. I'm not sure what you mean. My plan is still to have the text based install, aswell as livecd. all the bootcd has at the moment is the text based installer and install files in a cab. -Simple to implement as opposed to a ram disk. to install everything to from a cab. Disadvantages -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10 revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed connection all the time too. If you download from http://iso.reactos.org/ it is stored as a 7z file. You will notice the livecd is smaller than the bootcd. In-fact by roughly 10mb smaller. So by your logic you would prefer my solution. Though for users they would probably prefer a raw iso. Though they also wouldn't be downloading 10 a day. I don't know if the build time is talking about the merging of discs. There shouldn't be any added build time. for one you save time because you do not have to compress the files into a cab. You would also save time because you wouldn't have to build 2 types of discs. Though these are not really build times. It's just moving the already built files into directories and then turning them into an iso. Though if it's about building the livecd installer application. you already build an unfinished version of it. I would really like some feedback soon because this will be my google summer of code proposal.(well part of it anyway) ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin: Disadvantages -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10 revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed connection all the time too. Although its a valid point, I understood it as we wanted to switch to a 1st stage gui installer(?) In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway. Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be. Regards, Timo ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
We already have the capability to merge the two. But there's nothing fundamentally broken in having two versions until such time as we can actually install from the liveCD. Until that happens, I don't see a convincing argument for merging the two, since the ones outlined above seem to boil down to it might confuse people. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Timo Kreuzer timo.kreu...@web.de wrote: Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin: Disadvantages -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10 revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed connection all the time too. Although its a valid point, I understood it as we wanted to switch to a 1st stage gui installer(?) In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway. Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be. Regards, Timo ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
Hi Colin, Please add me to the list, I'm quite busy with rl but I still want to be in :) Gabriel. Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:32:20 +0200 From: co...@reactos.org To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday Hi folks, As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting. While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the following points in this order: - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just giving hints on how you can get on this list - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to help You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website discussions for example. If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position again and I would take the meeting leader role. My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people will be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell me if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list: - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_) - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald) - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir) - Maciej Bialas (niski) - Aleksey Bragin (abragin) - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck) - Danny Götte (dangerground) - Cameron Gutman (aicom) - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit) - Rafal Harabien (rafalh) - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth) - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi) - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer) - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri) - Michael Martin (mjmartin) - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal) - Roel Messiant (Mephisto) - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon) - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy) - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp) - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin) - Daniel Reimer (dreimer) - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter) - Samuel Serapion (encoded) - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr) - James Tabor (jimtabor) - Art Yerkes (arty) Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating observer though. I'll hand you all connection details when we're ready. With best regards, Colin ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
Gabriel, nice to see you around!! :) From: gabrielila...@hotmail.it To: ros-dev@reactos.org Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:45:53 +0200 Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday Hi Colin, Please add me to the list, I'm quite busy with rl but I still want to be in :) Gabriel. Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:32:20 +0200 From: co...@reactos.org To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday Hi folks, As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting. While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the following points in this order: - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just giving hints on how you can get on this list - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to help You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website discussions for example. If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position again and I would take the meeting leader role. My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people will be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell me if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list: - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_) - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald) - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir) - Maciej Bialas (niski) - Aleksey Bragin (abragin) - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck) - Danny Götte (dangerground) - Cameron Gutman (aicom) - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit) - Rafal Harabien (rafalh) - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth) - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi) - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer) - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri) - Michael Martin (mjmartin) - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal) - Roel Messiant (Mephisto) - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon) - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy) - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp) - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin) - Daniel Reimer (dreimer) - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter) - Samuel Serapion (encoded) - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr) - James Tabor (jimtabor) - Art Yerkes (arty) Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating observer though. I'll hand you all connection details when we're ready. With best regards, Colin ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
[ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
Hi folks, As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting. While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the following points in this order: - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just giving hints on how you can get on this list - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to help You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website discussions for example. If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position again and I would take the meeting leader role. My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people will be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell me if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list: - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_) - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald) - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir) - Maciej Bialas (niski) - Aleksey Bragin (abragin) - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck) - Danny Götte (dangerground) - Cameron Gutman (aicom) - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit) - Rafal Harabien (rafalh) - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth) - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi) - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer) - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri) - Michael Martin (mjmartin) - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal) - Roel Messiant (Mephisto) - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon) - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy) - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp) - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin) - Daniel Reimer (dreimer) - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter) - Samuel Serapion (encoded) - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr) - James Tabor (jimtabor) - Art Yerkes (arty) Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating observer though. I'll hand you all connection details when we're ready. With best regards, Colin ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
