Re: [ros-dev] 4th scenario

[David Quintana (gigaherz)]

Wouldn't that make people MORE interested in using reactos if it becomes a
way for them to have NT6, without pirating or buying Windows?

On 23 May 2016 at 14:21, Love Nystrom  wrote:

> Ok, I can understand if it has become uncommon in rich parts of the world
> like Europe and US,
> f.ex in Italy, but the rest of the world would probably seem arcane
> computerwise to you.
>
> Here in Southeast Asia where I live, many still run WinXP on their office
> workstations.
> Likewise, they run Server 2oo3, if they indeed have legitimate licenses at
> all.
> In the computer shops you'll only see Win10 OEM though, cause MS dictates
> it,
> while the black market for cracked software of every kind is huge.
>
> But this discussion is a bit moot, isn't it? :)
> Best Regards
> // Neo
>
> On 2016-05-23 15.53, Riccardo Paolo Bestetti 
>  wrote:
>
> Il 22/05/2016 23:14, Love Nystrom ha scritto:
>
> Server 2oo3 might not be used in big corporations anymore, but I think
> it's not uncommon to keep running it in small companies and home servers
> (due to high licensing cost of Windows server versions).
>
> It *is* pretty uncommon.
> I'm in contact with IT administrators from many small companies, at this
> point everyone has either (a) moved to Linux, (b) moved to some kind of
> cloud service or (c) upgraded to Server 2012.
> Even my school, which struggles to repaint walls, has done (c), lol.
> I don't know if it is any different in other parts of the world, but I
> suspect it is pretty much the same.
>
>
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Re: [ros-dev] 4th scenario

[Love Nystrom]

Ok, I can understand if it has become uncommon in rich parts of the 
world like Europe and US,
f.ex in Italy, but the rest of the world would probably seem arcane 
computerwise to you.


Here in Southeast Asia where I live, many still run WinXP on their 
office workstations.
Likewise, they run Server 2oo3, if they indeed have legitimate licenses 
at all.
In the computer shops you'll only see Win10 OEM though, cause MS 
dictates it,

while the black market for cracked software of every kind is huge.

But this discussion is a bit moot, isn't it? :)

Best Regards
// Neo

On 2016-05-23 15.53, Riccardo Paolo Bestetti  
wrote:


Il 22/05/2016 23:14, Love Nystrom ha scritto:

Server 2oo3 might not be used in big corporations anymore, but I 
think it's not uncommon to keep running it in small companies and 
home servers (due to high licensing cost of Windows server versions).

It /is/ pretty uncommon.
I'm in contact with IT administrators from many small companies, at 
this point everyone has either (a) moved to Linux, (b) moved to some 
kind of cloud service or (c) upgraded to Server 2012.

Even my school, which struggles to repaint walls, has done (c), lol.
I don't know if it is any different in other parts of the world, but I 
suspect it is pretty much the same.


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Re: [ros-dev] 4th scenario

[David Quintana (gigaherz)]

"Small companies and home servers" would often just be retail desktop
machines using home/pro editions (XP) instead of server editions.

On 23 May 2016 at 10:31, Riccardo Paolo Bestetti 
wrote:

> Il 22/05/2016 23:14, Love Nystrom ha scritto:
>
> Server 2oo3 might not be used in big corporations anymore, but I think
> it's not uncommon to keep running it in small companies and home servers
> (due to high licensing cost of Windows server versions).
>
> It *is* pretty uncommon.
> I'm in contact with IT administrators from many small companies, at this
> point everyone has either (a) moved to Linux, (b) moved to some kind of
> cloud service or (c) upgraded to Server 2012.
> Even my school, which struggles to repaint walls, has done (c), lol.
> I don't know if it is any different in other parts of the world, but I
> suspect it is pretty much the same.
>
> Best regards,
> --- *Riccardo Paolo Bestetti*
>
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Re: [ros-dev] 4th scenario

[Riccardo Paolo Bestetti]

Il 22/05/2016 23:14, Love Nystrom ha scritto:

Server 2oo3 might not be used in big corporations anymore, but I think 
it's not uncommon to keep running it in small companies and home 
servers (due to high licensing cost of Windows server versions).

It /is/ pretty uncommon.
I'm in contact with IT administrators from many small companies, at this 
point everyone has either (a) moved to Linux, (b) moved to some kind of 
cloud service or (c) upgraded to Server 2012.

Even my school, which struggles to repaint walls, has done (c), lol.
I don't know if it is any different in other parts of the world, but I 
suspect it is pretty much the same.


Best regards,
--- /Riccardo Paolo Bestetti/
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Re: [ros-dev] 4th scenario

[Love Nystrom]

On 2016-05-23 04.21, "David Quintana (gigaherz)"  wrote:

No one is suggesting paging the kernel. Stop being paranoid about that.


Ah.. Excellent.. That's such a relief to hear :)


We are speaking about API interfaces for user apps and drivers.
Whatever that implies, will be examined on a case by case basis.  ;P


Good.. Then we are in full agreement :)

I'll sink my teeth into Timo's epic when I can.
I'm hoping there's some way we can avoid the mess SxS is causing on e.g 
my Win7.

(I must have 10 versions of each RTL since 2oo5 installed by SxS ,
and dito with comctl32 versions, all with these obnoxiously long names.)



On 22 May 2016 at 23:14, Love Nystrom > wrote:


Server 2oo3 might not be used in big corporations anymore,
but I think it's not uncommon to keep running it in small companies
and home servers (due to high licensing cost of Windows server
versions).

Anyway.. IMO there's nothing wrong in moving towards NT6x API-wise,
as long as we're not forced to re-architect the *core* of the system
(scheduler, et c).  Paging the kernel would be a big mistake.

Best Regards
// Neo



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Re: [ros-dev] 4th scenario

[David Quintana (gigaherz)]

No one is suggesting paging the kernel. Stop being paranoid about that. We
are speaking about API interfaces for user apps and drivers. Whatever that
implies, will be examined on a case by case basis.  ;P

On 22 May 2016 at 23:14, Love Nystrom  wrote:

> Server 2oo3 might not be used in big corporations anymore,
> but I think it's not uncommon to keep running it in small companies
> and home servers (due to high licensing cost of Windows server versions).
> Anyway.. IMO there's nothing wrong in moving towards NT6x API-wise,
> as long as we're not forced to re-architect the *core* of the system
> (scheduler, et c).  Paging the kernel would be a big mistake.
>
> Best Regards
> // Neo
>
>
> On 2016-05-22 18.42, ros-dev-requ...@reactos.org wrote:
>
> They are not fucked up, since they legitimately don't care for the 3
> people out there still using 2k3.
> And we are not fucked up, we are only pushed to move to NT6+
>
> Timo
>
> Am 21.05.2016 um 06:12 schrieb Love Nystrom:
>
> No, they are... Not we ;)
> Same thing would happen if you try to run e.g. a Vista exe on NT4.
>
> // Neo
>
> On 2016-05-20 22.52, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo 
>   wrote:
> > Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Pale Moon drops ReactOS support
> > Date: 2016-05-20 22.51
> >
> > 4th scenario - App is actually "buggy" and doesnt check for any export.
> We´re fucked up :P
>
>
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Re: [ros-dev] 4th scenario

[Love Nystrom]

Server 2oo3 might not be used in big corporations anymore,
but I think it's not uncommon to keep running it in small companies
and home servers (due to high licensing cost of Windows server versions).

Anyway.. IMO there's nothing wrong in moving towards NT6x API-wise,
as long as we're not forced to re-architect the *core* of the system
(scheduler, et c).  Paging the kernel would be a big mistake.

Best Regards
// Neo


On 2016-05-22 18.42, ros-dev-requ...@reactos.org wrote:
They are not fucked up, since they legitimately don't care for the 3 
people out there still using 2k3.

And we are not fucked up, we are only pushed to move to NT6+

Timo

Am 21.05.2016 um 06:12 schrieb Love Nystrom:

No, they are... Not we ;)
Same thing would happen if you try to run e.g. a Vista exe on NT4.

// Neo

On 2016-05-20 22.52, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo 
 wrote:

> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Pale Moon drops ReactOS support
> Date: 2016-05-20 22.51
>
> 4th scenario - App is actually "buggy" and doesnt check for any 
export. We´re fucked up :P


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Re: [ros-dev] 4th scenario

[Timo Kreuzer]

They are not fucked up, since they legitimately don't care for the 3 
people out there still using 2k3.

And we are not fucked up, we are only pushed to move to NT6+

Timo

Am 21.05.2016 um 06:12 schrieb Love Nystrom:

No, they are... Not we ;)
Same thing would happen if you try to run e.g. a Vista exe on NT4.

// Neo

On 2016-05-20 22.52, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo 
 wrote:

> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Pale Moon drops ReactOS support
> Date: 2016-05-20 22.51
>
> 4th scenario - App is actually "buggy" and doesnt check for any 
export. We´re fucked up :P



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Re: [ros-dev] 4th scenario

[Love Nystrom]

No, they are... Not we ;)
Same thing would happen if you try to run e.g. a Vista exe on NT4.

// Neo

On 2016-05-20 22.52, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo  
wrote:

> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Pale Moon drops ReactOS support
> Date: 2016-05-20 22.51
>
> 4th scenario - App is actually "buggy" and doesnt check for any 
export. We´re fucked up :P



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