Re: [ros-dev] Monthly meeting - April 2012
Internal affairs? What internal affairs? If this was about legal issues and thinks that definitely cannot be open to the public, I'd be okay with it. But this is an open-source project, no? Surely meetings should be public? On 27 April 2012 11:38, Ged Murphy gedmurphy.mailli...@gmail.com wrote: It's just you, unless you can name a company that has their meetings in public? Meetings are for the members of organizations set goals, deal with issues and discuss behind the scenes information. Why should non-members have the right to listen in on internal affairs? Ged. -Original Message- From: ros-dev-boun...@reactos.org [mailto:ros-dev-boun...@reactos.org] On Behalf Of Emanuel Rietveld Sent: 27 April 2012 11:24 To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly meeting - April 2012 On 04/26/2012 07:38 PM, Pierre Schweitzer wrote: Hi, This meeting will be private. If you do not have access, you will not be able to attend the meeting. Regards, Is it just me, or this a little like spraying contributor repellant on your project? Kind Regards, Emanuel ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev -- Andrew Faulds (AJF) http://ajf.me/ ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Monthly meeting - April 2012
Erm... does Firefox hold their meetings publicly? What about LibreOffice? On Fri, Apr 27, 2012, at 11:44 AM, Andrew Faulds wrote: Internal affairs? What internal affairs? If this was about legal issues and thinks that definitely cannot be open to the public, I'd be okay with it. But this is an open-source project, no? Surely meetings should be public? On 27 April 2012 11:38, Ged Murphy gedmurphy.mailli...@gmail.com wrote: It's just you, unless you can name a company that has their meetings in public? Meetings are for the members of organizations set goals, deal with issues and discuss behind the scenes information. Why should non-members have the right to listen in on internal affairs? Ged. -- With best regards Caemyr ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Monthly meeting - April 2012
Am 27.04.2012 12:44, schrieb Andrew Faulds: Internal affairs? What internal affairs? If this was about legal issues and thinks that definitely cannot be open to the public, I'd be okay with it. But this is an open-source project, no? Surely meetings should be public? This was already discussed when the idea of private meetings was introduced on this list. I don't think this needs to be discussed again... (here is a link to that discussion: http://www.reactos.org/pipermail/ros-dev/2011-July/014586.html ) Regards, Sven On 27 April 2012 11:38, Ged Murphygedmurphy.mailli...@gmail.com wrote: It's just you, unless you can name a company that has their meetings in public? Meetings are for the members of organizations set goals, deal with issues and discuss behind the scenes information. Why should non-members have the right to listen in on internal affairs? Ged. -Original Message- From: ros-dev-boun...@reactos.org [mailto:ros-dev-boun...@reactos.org] On Behalf Of Emanuel Rietveld Sent: 27 April 2012 11:24 To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly meeting - April 2012 On 04/26/2012 07:38 PM, Pierre Schweitzer wrote: Hi, This meeting will be private. If you do not have access, you will not be able to attend the meeting. Regards, Is it just me, or this a little like spraying contributor repellant on your project? Kind Regards, Emanuel ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Monthly meeting - April 2012
Let's put it a little bit less offending to the general public. Those meetings are of primary interest only for the actual team of people which works on ReactOS now (so-called members). We try to define a common work direction for the next month and see what was successful and what failed during the last month. It's just meaningless to invite everyone there. Nevertheless, we do our best, and provide meetings minutes to anyone, so there are no secrets. And to conclude my diplomacy with something harsh ;) If a project is open source and free, it doesn't mean that everyone magically acquires rights to demand something from such a project. Free open source project grants you other, maybe even more important rights though. Best regards, Aleksey. On 27.04.2012 14:38, Ged Murphy wrote: It's just you, unless you can name a company that has their meetings in public? Meetings are for the members of organizations set goals, deal with issues and discuss behind the scenes information. Why should non-members have the right to listen in on internal affairs? Ged. -Original Message- From: ros-dev-boun...@reactos.org [mailto:ros-dev-boun...@reactos.org] On Behalf Of Emanuel Rietveld Sent: 27 April 2012 11:24 To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly meeting - April 2012 On 04/26/2012 07:38 PM, Pierre Schweitzer wrote: Hi, This meeting will be private. If you do not have access, you will not be able to attend the meeting. Regards, Is it just me, or this a little like spraying contributor repellant on your project? Kind Regards, Emanuel ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Monthly meeting - April 2012
+1 to Wax The reason i dont attend meeting currently is because im at the swimming pool when meeting starts, through On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:37 PM, WaxDragon waxdra...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, we publish the minutes of these meetings. That should be good enough. I am a member and I don't even attend these meetings! :0) On Apr 27, 2012 4:21 AM, Aleksey Bragin alek...@reactos.org wrote: Let's put it a little bit less offending to the general public. Those meetings are of primary interest only for the actual team of people which works on ReactOS now (so-called members). We try to define a common work direction for the next month and see what was successful and what failed during the last month. It's just meaningless to invite everyone there. Nevertheless, we do our best, and provide meetings minutes to anyone, so there are no secrets. And to conclude my diplomacy with something harsh ;) If a project is open source and free, it doesn't mean that everyone magically acquires rights to demand something from such a project. Free open source project grants you other, maybe even more important rights though. Best regards, Aleksey. On 27.04.2012 14:38, Ged Murphy wrote: It's just you, unless you can name a company that has their meetings in public? Meetings are for the members of organizations set goals, deal with issues and discuss behind the scenes information. Why should non-members have the right to listen in on internal affairs? Ged. -Original Message- From: ros-dev-boun...@reactos.org [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@**reactos.orgros-dev-boun...@reactos.org] On Behalf Of Emanuel Rietveld Sent: 27 April 2012 11:24 To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly meeting - April 2012 On 04/26/2012 07:38 PM, Pierre Schweitzer wrote: Hi, This meeting will be private. If you do not have access, you will not be able to attend the meeting. Regards, Is it just me, or this a little like spraying contributor repellant on your project? Kind Regards, Emanuel __**_ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/**mailman/listinfo/ros-devhttp://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Monthly meeting - April 2012
On 04/27/2012 01:20 PM, Aleksey Bragin wrote: Let's put it a little bit less offending to the general public. Those meetings are of primary interest only for the actual team of people which works on ReactOS now (so-called members). We try to define a common work direction for the next month and see what was successful and what failed during the last month. It's just meaningless to invite everyone there. Nevertheless, we do our best, and provide meetings minutes to anyone, so there are no secrets. And to conclude my diplomacy with something harsh ;) If a project is open source and free, it doesn't mean that everyone magically acquires rights to demand something from such a project. Free open source project grants you other, maybe even more important rights though. Best regards, Aleksey. I realize the tone I wrote might have been offensive and I'm sorry. Please don't take it the wrong way - I don't want to demand anything from this project. My thinking was, ReactOS might benefit from having more contributors, and I think having private meetings is one of the things that really hurts the ability of new people to come join in. To be an attractive project for new contributors takes a lot effort, but it pays off when you can get more manpower behind your vision. ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Monthly meeting - April 2012
On 27.04.2012 15:57, Emanuel Rietveld wrote: On 04/27/2012 01:20 PM, Aleksey Bragin wrote: Let's put it a little bit less offending to the general public. Those meetings are of primary interest only for the actual team of people which works on ReactOS now (so-called members). We try to define a common work direction for the next month and see what was successful and what failed during the last month. It's just meaningless to invite everyone there. Nevertheless, we do our best, and provide meetings minutes to anyone, so there are no secrets. And to conclude my diplomacy with something harsh ;) If a project is open source and free, it doesn't mean that everyone magically acquires rights to demand something from such a project. Free open source project grants you other, maybe even more important rights though. Best regards, Aleksey. I realize the tone I wrote might have been offensive and I'm sorry. Please don't take it the wrong way - I don't want to demand anything from this project. My thinking was, ReactOS might benefit from having more contributors, and I think having private meetings is one of the things that really hurts the ability of new people to come join in. To be an attractive project for new contributors takes a lot effort, but it pays off when you can get more manpower behind your vision. It's fine, nevermind, as long as there is a constructive discussion, it's good. What I, and probably others, wanted to say is that those meetings are totally not a way to attract more contributors. They are strictly a way to work with existing contributors. New people are always welcome to our IRC channels, mailing lists, web portal with forums and wiki, there is no need for some event. Best regards, Aleksey. ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Re: [ros-dev] Monthly meeting - April 2012
Hi, the credentials have been sent and the server is up and running. Please try your credentials BEFORE the meeting starts. After, it is too late. In case you have troubles connecting, or if you did not receive your credentials whereas you should have, please contact me BEFORE the meeting starts. As a reminder, the meeting will take place on fezile.reactos.org, port 6667, no SSL, on chan #meeting. This meeting will be private. If you do not have access, you will not be able to attend the meeting. Regards, Le mercredi 25 avril 2012 à 18:18 +0400, Aleksey Bragin a écrit : Hello, Let me invite you to the monthly status meeting taking place last Thursday of this month, 26th of April, 19:00 UTC. The meeting will be at irc://fezile.reactos.org (Port 6667, no SSL) in the channel #meeting. Note that the IRC service will only be started shortly before the meeting. Your participation passwords will be emailed to you shortly before the meeting starts. If someone still is not getting passwords sent before a meeting - please email Colin or Pierre before the meeting started to get one. In order to save time, let's choose who is going to be the minute taker on the upcoming meeting. Volunteers welcome. An agenda for the meeting will be posted when the meeting starts. Please email me your suggestions before the meeting so that the resulting agenda could be compiled beforehand. With the best regards, Aleksey Bragin. ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev -- Pierre Schweitzer pie...@reactos.org Systems Administrator ReactOS Foundation smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
