Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
Actually, this David was only semi-joking about the matrix editor. I look at pieces of programs as resource costs. Resources spent on the matrix editor are not available for use on what I consider more important parts of the program. For what it's worth, I've have liked matrix editors for music. It's like trying to read a player piano score: useless to anything except machines. (Like writing a score in Lilypond using a text editor.) But RG is very flexible and I enjoy that. On 05/07/2012 02:36 PM, David Tisdell wrote: When I am writing, I almost always begin with the notation editor. Vitally important tool. One of the things I like about RG is that it adapts well whatever your approach to composition. Dave On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:07 PM, PMA wrote: Abrolag wrote: On Mon, 07 May 2012 18:08:43 -0400 PMApeterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu mailto:peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: david wrote: ... I think RG could profitably get rid of the matrix editor. ;-) For the record just in case, that would end my interest in RG. methinks david was having his little joke ;-) i saw the ;-) but didn't get it. sorry, naive me. -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
Yes, but for the windows port so far audio isn't in scope. And if it was I probably wouldn't do it with JACK I have to say. Purely because I've got bored of fancy APIs for stuff and different models you're forced to adopt to use them, ALSA and JACK did it for me. Midi with Rtmidi and ? for audio. Maybe portaudio. Cross that bridge as and when. And if. Agree that website and docs and tutorials require a refresh. IMHO would be nice to have a clean, modern, fresh approach to website and shift the black /italics. But yes, we've been here before.. On 8 May 2012, at 17:31, David Tisdell david.tisd...@gmail.com wrote: I agree on the More bang for the buck on a Windows port but JACK already runs on OS X as do some JACK aware apps. Percentage of the user base wise, the Mac has historically more people creating content (Don't know if that is true today) and it is fully POSIX compliant whereas Windows is not. It may be easier to get a full port over to the Mac. Not being a coder, I can't say for sure but the Ardour people ran into a significant road block on Windows because it wasn't fully POSIX compliant. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Brett McCoy idragos...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:02 AM, David Tisdell david.tisd...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps as a starting point we could shake the tree for developers on Linux audio user lists, wikis, etc. since Linux is the platform of origin. The core work should begin here and ports created as new features are worked out. As a member of the Rosegarden community, I would be happy to do that but I would like some guidance from people like Michael who are working on the project as to what should be said and who and how to contact to get more involved. I don't have the time to help with C++ development (and I definitely can't help with Windows porting), but I can certainly help with maintaining the website or Wiki pages and documentation. For instance, we need to better showcase some of the music being composed on Rosegarden (allow me to toot my horn here, but I recently completed a 2 year study of Orchestration via Berklee and used Rosegarden for every single one of my projects). Maybe some video tutorials would help also (I'd definitely be up for making some of those). Pushing stuff out to Windows and OS X would help exposure also. Graphics apps like GIMP, MyPaint and Krita have gotten a lot of adoption from those worlds as alternatives to expensive commercial apps, and there is definitely room for something like Rosegarden there, too, especially since it offers notation, whereas apps like Reaper and Reason don't, and have MIDI Audio capabilties way beyond what Finale or Sibelius provide. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world. -- Jelaleddin Rumi -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
The attempt at a Mac port was done before the codebase had been moved to qt. It was installed through fink. I exchanged email with the person who had tried it and he had run into significant problems because of KDE dependencies and he gave up. Nice to hear about the commercial version of Ardour that runs on Windows. That gives lots of hope for doing the same with Rosegarden; especially since Richard is focusing on the MIDI components first. Dave On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Richard Bown richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote: Yes, but for the windows port so far audio isn't in scope. And if it was I probably wouldn't do it with JACK I have to say. Purely because I've got bored of fancy APIs for stuff and different models you're forced to adopt to use them, ALSA and JACK did it for me. Midi with Rtmidi and ? for audio. Maybe portaudio. Cross that bridge as and when. And if. Agree that website and docs and tutorials require a refresh. IMHO would be nice to have a clean, modern, fresh approach to website and shift the black /italics. But yes, we've been here before.. On 8 May 2012, at 17:31, David Tisdell david.tisd...@gmail.com wrote: I agree on the More bang for the buck on a Windows port but JACK already runs on OS X as do some JACK aware apps. Percentage of the user base wise, the Mac has historically more people creating content (Don't know if that is true today) and it is fully POSIX compliant whereas Windows is not. It may be easier to get a full port over to the Mac. Not being a coder, I can't say for sure but the Ardour people ran into a significant road block on Windows because it wasn't fully POSIX compliant. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Brett McCoy idragos...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:02 AM, David Tisdell david.tisd...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps as a starting point we could shake the tree for developers on Linux audio user lists, wikis, etc. since Linux is the platform of origin. The core work should begin here and ports created as new features are worked out. As a member of the Rosegarden community, I would be happy to do that but I would like some guidance from people like Michael who are working on the project as to what should be said and who and how to contact to get more involved. I don't have the time to help with C++ development (and I definitely can't help with Windows porting), but I can certainly help with maintaining the website or Wiki pages and documentation. For instance, we need to better showcase some of the music being composed on Rosegarden (allow me to toot my horn here, but I recently completed a 2 year study of Orchestration via Berklee and used Rosegarden for every single one of my projects). Maybe some video tutorials would help also (I'd definitely be up for making some of those). Pushing stuff out to Windows and OS X would help exposure also. Graphics apps like GIMP, MyPaint and Krita have gotten a lot of adoption from those worlds as alternatives to expensive commercial apps, and there is definitely room for something like Rosegarden there, too, especially since it offers notation, whereas apps like Reaper and Reason don't, and have MIDI Audio capabilties way beyond what Finale or Sibelius provide. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world. -- Jelaleddin Rumi -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT
Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 12.04, codename Freedom RELEASED
On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, j...@it-he.org wrote: Is it possible to disable this behaviour by default? No, but please do experiment and see how you fare. The theory is you should only experience the minor inconvenience of having to go set a bunch of things from 'auto' to 'fixed' and you should be on your merry way. The core changes involved in this are deeply rooted and all but impossible to revert at this point, but I'm definitely interested in use cases like yours, and if it turns out this new work is completely throwing you under a bus, we'll have to figure out some practical accommodation, and we will. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
D. Michael McIntyre wrote: On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, PMA wrote: Waay too hard on yourself. You need a (free) weekend in Acapulco! There is real truth in that. I've literally never taken a proper go somewhere and see something sort of vacation since the last one I took with my family as a kid. That was 1987. Well, your constitution must be incredible. After that, I'd have been in a Happy Farm long since! -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
Hello everyone! That's a lot that does not speak in this ml-list! I also have something to say on the future of rosegarden. I really like rosegarden. But I'm a maniac lilypond, mainly by Frescobaldi, because exploitation of power by lilypond rosegarden is, forgive me, ridiculous and depressing: 1) the management of the position of breaks does not exist and creates file.pdf terrible. 2) is also not possible to setup the page layout. My use of rosegarden boils down to this: 1) Rapid re-edit of file.midi frescobaldi created for a quick check of the sound changes. I repeat: I really like rosegarden, but I also think that a better integration of lilypond would attract many potential users. Best regards and w rosegarden! -- oiram/bin/selom Da ognuno secondo le proprie capacità ad ognuno secondo i propri bisogni. MIB Frescobaldi Rosegarden -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
On 8 May 2012 08:23, Richard Bown richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote: I have failed. What absolute self indulgent rubbish. Though a very nicely constructed extended metaphor. I think you're sort-of right that the proper answer ought to be a nice brisk one about how it's just going the way it has to go and if it isn't working out for you, well, those are the breaks. And it's been around this long, people are still enjoying it and developers are doing new things -- what should we do next to build on this? But you and I have had a lot of time off from this project, and I guess both of us did that because we felt a bit like Michael -- as if every little bug fix ended up being an exploratory dive down a stinking rabbit hole and each small new idea was a major project to be written up on a board in marker pen and deliberated over for three months because it would inevitably break half a dozen other things. This isn't a codebase that lends itself well to an enjoyable agile process. I'm with PMA that you're being far too hard on yourself, Michael -- in a project like this you don't need to be in a position where you have an answer for everything. You've been pretty vital to this program's survival so far, but you know, it is only a computer program -- you could walk away tomorrow and just see what happens to it. It'd probably stick around one way or another, and if it didn't, that might be enough to suggest it didn't matter much to enough people in the first place. I'm not suggesting you should necessarily do that, but it might be no bad thing to remember that you can. Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
