Re: [Rosegarden-user] Quantisation?

2023-05-21 Thread krsgrdn
Sun, 21 May 2023 08:49:08 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :

> On 21/05/2023 03:38, Jozseph Hogan wrote:
> > This is a good point.
> > 
> > If we know that no  note is shorter than a sixteenth note then limiting
> > this woudl remove notes and rests with shorter counts.
> > 
> > No DAW has this?
> > 
> 
> IMHO the thing is that doing this 'a priori' might be slippery, because 
> in some cases you do want a recording to include (some) little 
> 'imperfections' which make it sound more 'live' / 'human'

I would try it, and then decide. I have never heard a musician start a whole 
note (for example) 1/32 before the end of a bar and then tie it the rest over 
into the next one. Being no more a 'musician' than a blacksmith would be a 
machinist, I still suspect that by forcing the use of let's say at least 1/8ths 
the digitizingware would push the note into the next bar. I'm convinced of 
this, the poor quality of digitizingware isn't the abundance of human feel 
(that you'd risk losing) but the exact opposite. Isn't it possible to nix 
cross-bar ties already in rosegarden? I vaguely remember something along such 
lines. I say experiment, I would... :-) 

Make some optional toggleable rules and try them in turn:

If less than 1/16 of a note would be tied across then begin the note in the 
next bar or end it in the current one as the case may be

Same for rests

Try larger/smaller values, listen for differences.








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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Quantisation?

2023-05-21 Thread Lorenzo Sutton

On 21/05/2023 03:38, Jozseph Hogan wrote:

This is a good point.

If we know that no  note is shorter than a sixteenth note then limiting
this woudl remove notes and rests with shorter counts.

No DAW has this?



IMHO the thing is that doing this 'a priori' might be slippery, because 
in some cases you do want a recording to include (some) little 
'imperfections' which make it sound more 'live' / 'human'


Recording MIDI (versus audio) does have the advantage of enabling 
different forms of post-processing and editing including quantization 
(also deciding how much), correcting wrong notes, transpositions etc.


Step recording can be an in-between solution to enter notes with a 
(musical) keyboard and exact times/durations (you can activate it both 
in the notation and matrix editor in Rosegarden - makes sure the track 
is also armed to record!)


My two cents.
Lorenzo


Thanks

Joseph

On 5/19/23 06:15, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

Fri, 19 May 2023 00:42:45 -0400
Ted Felix  :


    Quantizing can be used for two main purposes:

1. To make sheet music that looks good.
2. To make your performance sound more "perfect".
I have used it a few times to clean up bars in red and rests and that 
worked fairly well.


But (my 2 cents) problems should be attacked at the root cause, and 
THAT is the digitizing-ware that writes midi tracks (tried many before 
giving up). I always figured that users turning to such apps should 
have the opportunity to direct the the software to use no shorter than 
1/8 or 1/4 notes for example, it would always be easier to clean up 
form that end than from this other one as it were. Like I said 'my 2' 
:-))





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