Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
I wanted to see a movie about Christ as well, but there is no story to this movie. Jay Barker said this morning that he went last night & thought it was a wonderful movie. I just have a problem watching people suffer. - Original Message - From: "Rick McMahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:18 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > Thanks for the explanation, Pat. Gory movies are a big turn-off for me as > well so I completely understand, but I will go see this one. Movies about > The Christ have always intrigued me. > > RMc. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Pat Smoot > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:06 PM > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > It was a solid 2 hours of beatings & torture beyond your wildest dreams. > None of the rest of the story was told. I had to get up & go outside after > the 1st hand was nailed to the cross & that happened in the last 15 minutes. > It was pure gore. I'm sure it was as close to the real thing that is > possible, but there should have been something, if only a little something > positive. They tried to embed about 2 seconds occasionally to show his > preaching prior to the torture, but it wasn't nearly enough to offset the > constant gore. I would rather sit through 8 Freddy Kruger movies & I hate > those than to see this one again. While I was outside, a woman walked out, > looked at me & said "You look traumatized". I told her that I was. It was > waaay too much for me. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Rick McMahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:49 PM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > So what were the issues with it, Pat? I plan to go see it in a few weeks > > after all the hoopla dies down. > > > > RMc. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Pat Smoot > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:58 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > If anyone out there has a widowed 72 year old Mother that asks you to take > > her to see "Passion of the Christ", DO NOT GO !! Worst movie I've seen in > > my 39 years. I'm trying to get Mel Gibson on the phone right now. > > > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
You don't want people to think. How then would Dubya get any votes? ;-) I feel that many of the folks who see this movie may, as you say, 'think' about all that took place. But I wonder that if they will 'think' as a result of the guilt they might feel after witnessing the crucifixion, instead of the message He sent. The shock of seeing how well a special effects group can make a movie seem so real is amazing. Movies like The Passion, Saving Private Ryan and to some extent, The Lord of the Rings have excellent special effects to help get the message across. I haven't seen the movie, but from the reviews and stuff, Mel may have relied on the brutality of the death too much for getting across the message of the movie. Most of what I have read about the movie isn't about the reasons for the death of Christ but about the way its depicted. People remember the violence, but maybe not the reason for the violence. Did anyone see "The Last Temptation of Christ"? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Goodson Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:15 PM To: Pat Smoot; RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) I watch a show called "The making of The Passion" on A&E (I think). It went into depth concerning a lot of the motivations Mel Gibson had in making it. I have yet to see it, but I think it should be good to see a graphic representation of how Christ suffered for our eternal salvation. I will watch this one. I hope it shakes a lot of people up a little. Might actually make them THINK some. Joe I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer. - Benjamin Franklin, On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, November 1766 - Original Message - From: "Pat Smoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > It was a solid 2 hours of beatings & torture beyond your wildest dreams. > None of the rest of the story was told. I had to get up & go outside after > the 1st hand was nailed to the cross & that happened in the last 15 minutes. > It was pure gore. I'm sure it was as close to the real thing that is > possible, but there should have been something, if only a little something > positive. They tried to embed about 2 seconds occasionally to show his > preaching prior to the torture, but it wasn't nearly enough to offset the > constant gore. I would rather sit through 8 Freddy Kruger movies & I hate > those than to see this one again. While I was outside, a woman walked out, > looked at me & said "You look traumatized". I told her that I was. It was > waaay too much for me. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Rick McMahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:49 PM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > So what were the issues with it, Pat? I plan to go see it in a few weeks > > after all the hoopla dies down. > > > > RMc. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Pat Smoot > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:58 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > If anyone out there has a widowed 72 year old Mother that asks you to take > > her to see "Passion of the Christ", DO NOT GO !! Worst movie I've seen in > > my 39 years. I'm trying to get Mel Gibson on the phone right now. > > > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit htt
Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
Show of hands... How many of you have ordered your "passion jewelry?" You know...the nail with a leather string attached. You can wear it as a necklace or bracelet. Note to self: If this is the new jewelry trend, I have enough. Sonja - Original Message - From: "Pat Smoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > I wanted to see a movie about Christ as well, but there is no story to this > movie. Jay Barker said this morning that he went last night & thought it > was a wonderful movie. I just have a problem watching people suffer. > > - Original Message - > From: "Rick McMahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:18 PM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > Thanks for the explanation, Pat. Gory movies are a big turn-off for me as > > well so I completely understand, but I will go see this one. Movies about > > The Christ have always intrigued me. > > > > RMc. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Pat Smoot > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:06 PM > > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > It was a solid 2 hours of beatings & torture beyond your wildest dreams. > > None of the rest of the story was told. I had to get up & go outside > after > > the 1st hand was nailed to the cross & that happened in the last 15 > minutes. > > It was pure gore. I'm sure it was as close to the real thing that is > > possible, but there should have been something, if only a little something > > positive. They tried to embed about 2 seconds occasionally to show his > > preaching prior to the torture, but it wasn't nearly enough to offset the > > constant gore. I would rather sit through 8 Freddy Kruger movies & I hate > > those than to see this one again. While I was outside, a woman walked > out, > > looked at me & said "You look traumatized". I told her that I was. It > was > > waaay too much for me. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Rick McMahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:49 PM > > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > > > > So what were the issues with it, Pat? I plan to go see it in a few weeks > > > after all the hoopla dies down. > > > > > > RMc. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Behalf Of Pat Smoot > > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:58 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > > > If anyone out there has a widowed 72 year old Mother that asks you to > take > > > her to see "Passion of the Christ", DO NOT GO !! Worst movie I've seen > in > > > my 39 years. I'm trying to get Mel Gibson on the phone right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > > > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > > > > __ > > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listin
[RollTideFan] Cake and eat it too.
Oh but we're supposed to welcome them with friggin' open arms. Send them all swimming back today. Let's completely close our southern borders and take care of our own first. CABO SAN LUCAS, Mexico (AFP) - Hotel owners in the Mexican resort town of Los Cabos have taken action to try to stop an onslaught of US "spring breakers", mostly university students on short, often raucous holiday trips. The Hotel Association of Los Cabos said its members have rejected any special packages or discounts that might encourage the southward migration of this wildlife "since they only come to do things they cannot do in their own country," the group's president Alberto Coppel said. "Our goal is to completely wipe out tourism by spring breakers," Coppel said, rolling up his welcome mat even though it may hurt the bottom line. Many more conservative Mexicans have been appalled by US TV shows and sexy video peddlers filming drunken, breast-baring or worse exploits of spring breakers on Mexican beaches and in Mexican bars from Los Cabos to Cancun, Acapulco and Puerto Vallarta. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Cake and eat it too.
I knew you couldn't possibly be as dubm as you want people to believe. :) Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: [RollTideFan] Cake and eat it too. > Oh but we're supposed to welcome them with friggin' open arms. Send them all > swimming back today. Let's completely close our southern borders and take > care of our own first. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
Let's hope this doesn't get out of hand (No pun intended). I heard that KFC was starting to market chicken strips in the shape of a cross. Nike is considering a new sandal called Air Jesus. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SHR Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:09 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) Show of hands... How many of you have ordered your "passion jewelry?" You know...the nail with a leather string attached. You can wear it as a necklace or bracelet. Note to self: If this is the new jewelry trend, I have enough. Sonja - Original Message - From: "Pat Smoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > I wanted to see a movie about Christ as well, but there is no story to this > movie. Jay Barker said this morning that he went last night & thought it > was a wonderful movie. I just have a problem watching people suffer. > > - Original Message - > From: "Rick McMahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:18 PM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > Thanks for the explanation, Pat. Gory movies are a big turn-off for me as > > well so I completely understand, but I will go see this one. Movies about > > The Christ have always intrigued me. > > > > RMc. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Pat Smoot > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:06 PM > > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > It was a solid 2 hours of beatings & torture beyond your wildest dreams. > > None of the rest of the story was told. I had to get up & go outside > after > > the 1st hand was nailed to the cross & that happened in the last 15 > minutes. > > It was pure gore. I'm sure it was as close to the real thing that is > > possible, but there should have been something, if only a little something > > positive. They tried to embed about 2 seconds occasionally to show his > > preaching prior to the torture, but it wasn't nearly enough to offset the > > constant gore. I would rather sit through 8 Freddy Kruger movies & I hate > > those than to see this one again. While I was outside, a woman walked > out, > > looked at me & said "You look traumatized". I told her that I was. It > was > > waaay too much for me. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Rick McMahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:49 PM > > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > > > > So what were the issues with it, Pat? I plan to go see it in a few weeks > > > after all the hoopla dies down. > > > > > > RMc. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Behalf Of Pat Smoot > > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:58 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > > > If anyone out there has a widowed 72 year old Mother that asks you to > take > > > her to see "Passion of the Christ", DO NOT GO !! Worst movie I've seen > in > > > my 39 years. I'm trying to get Mel Gibson on the phone right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > > > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > > > > __ > > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > __ > RollTide
Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
I have to disagree about being the worst movie ever! I liked it A LOT and plan to go see it again. Now, as far as taken a 72 yo, that, I would definitely agree. Yes, it was gore and beating but I can see it happening just the way the movie portrayed. I can also see where it could have been overkill. - Original Message - From: "Pat Smoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > If anyone out there has a widowed 72 year old Mother that asks you to take > her to see "Passion of the Christ", DO NOT GO !! Worst movie I've seen in > my 39 years. I'm trying to get Mel Gibson on the phone right now. > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
I agree, I don't like to see the blood and gore movies but this one was different. I did find myself during the beating wanting to stand up and scream STOP IT!!! The soldiers had already been told once to stop but they kept on. I know this movie is very controversial and not everyone will like it and everyone will have different opinions about the movie too. I still recommend the movie. - Original Message - From: "Pat Smoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I wanted to see a movie about Christ as well, but there is no story to this > movie. Jay Barker said this morning that he went last night & thought it > was a wonderful movie. I just have a problem watching people suffer. > > - Original Message - > From: "Rick McMahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Thanks for the explanation, Pat. Gory movies are a big turn-off for me as > > well so I completely understand, but I will go see this one. Movies about > > The Christ have always intrigued me. > > RMc. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
> > You don't want people to think. How then would Dubya get any > votes? ;-) > He could just scare it out of them like the Democrats. After all isn't their motto "We have to offer but fear itself". > > I feel that many of the folks who see this movie may, as you > say, 'think' about all that took place. But I wonder that if > they will 'think' as a result of the guilt they might feel > after witnessing the crucifixion, instead of the message He sent. > This is a very good point. Doing something out guilt is very different than doing something out of love. Guilt feeds off of the self, love feeds off of the other. > > The shock of seeing how well a special effects group can make > a movie seem so real is amazing. Movies like The Passion, > Saving Private Ryan and to some extent, The Lord of the Rings > have excellent special effects to help get the message > across. > I have been very pleased with the realistic depiction of history in movies over the past several years. It really make you think about what really happen instead of some glossed over "poetic license" which targets to make people feel good so they will buy more tickets. It is really amazing throughout history how wars and other things were handled. In Gibson's "Braveheart" they showed William Wallace being tied down, but I don't think they actually showed him being fully "drawn and quartered". It's really unbelievable people actually used to do this and think it was okay. Certainly brings to mind the concept of letting people see what things really happen during executions and the like. > > I haven't seen the movie, but from the reviews and > stuff, Mel may have relied on the brutality of the death too > much for getting across the message of the movie. Most of > what I have read about the movie isn't about the reasons for > the death of Christ but about the way its depicted. People > remember the violence, but maybe not the reason for the violence. > I think this was the purpose of the movie. The reason for the violence is obvious and well known by devout Christians. It probably won't "move" most casual Christian to find out more, that's why they're casual Christians. They don't really care. But I think it will move some to find out more, and that's really what Gibson was after, from the interviews I've seen. Too often in the past, the Passion has been glossed over and toned down. "He suffered, died, and was buried, blah, blah, blah, okay then what". It's important for people understand what it really means "to suffer". Gibson had 2 hours to tell a 12 hour story. He didn't need to cover the purpose of Jesus' ministry. That's for another time. The title says it all. The movie is about the suffering of the Christ. > > Did anyone see "The Last Temptation of Christ"? > I did many times, and even have it on videotape. I also have the soundtrack by Peter Gabriel. Good stuff. This movie is one of the best teaching tools for what Christ's purpose was all about. It is a shame so many people just looked at the pictures and didn't read the words. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
Deere Alabama Fanatic: Please to be identifying yoreSlef. Gracias & De Nada Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Alabama Fanatic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > You don't want people to think. How then would Dubya get any > > votes? ;-) > > > He could just scare it out of them like the Democrats. After > all isn't their motto "We have to offer but fear itself". > > > > > I feel that many of the folks who see this movie may, as you > > say, 'think' about all that took place. But I wonder that if > > they will 'think' as a result of the guilt they might feel > > after witnessing the crucifixion, instead of the message He sent. > > > This is a very good point. Doing something out guilt is very > different than doing something out of love. Guilt feeds off of > the self, love feeds off of the other. > > > > > The shock of seeing how well a special effects group can make > > a movie seem so real is amazing. Movies like The Passion, > > Saving Private Ryan and to some extent, The Lord of the Rings > > have excellent special effects to help get the message > > across. > > > I have been very pleased with the realistic depiction of history > in movies over the past several years. It really make you think > about what really happen instead of some glossed over "poetic > license" which targets to make people feel good so they will buy > more tickets. > > It is really amazing throughout history how wars and other > things were handled. In Gibson's "Braveheart" they showed > William Wallace being tied down, but I don't think they actually > showed him being fully "drawn and quartered". It's really > unbelievable people actually used to do this and think it was > okay. > > Certainly brings to mind the concept of letting people see what > things really happen during executions and the like. > > > > > I haven't seen the movie, but from the reviews and > > stuff, Mel may have relied on the brutality of the death too > > much for getting across the message of the movie. Most of > > what I have read about the movie isn't about the reasons for > > the death of Christ but about the way its depicted. People > > remember the violence, but maybe not the reason for the violence. > > > I think this was the purpose of the movie. The reason for the > violence is obvious and well known by devout Christians. It > probably won't "move" most casual Christian to find out more, > that's why they're casual Christians. They don't really care. > But I think it will move some to find out more, and that's > really what Gibson was after, from the interviews I've seen. > > Too often in the past, the Passion has been glossed over and > toned down. "He suffered, died, and was buried, blah, blah, > blah, okay then what". It's important for people understand > what it really means "to suffer". Gibson had 2 hours to tell > a 12 hour story. He didn't need to cover the purpose of > Jesus' ministry. That's for another time. The title says it > all. The movie is about the suffering of the Christ. > > > > > Did anyone see "The Last Temptation of Christ"? > > > I did many times, and even have it on videotape. I also have > the soundtrack by Peter Gabriel. Good stuff. > > This movie is one of the best teaching tools for what Christ's > purpose was all about. It is a shame so many people just > looked at the pictures and didn't read the words. > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
> > Please to be identifying yoreSlef. > No hablo redneck. > > Gracias & De Nada > No hablo español redneck. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
OK - I'll try again. Dear Alabama Fanatic: What's your fuckin' name, bitch? JT - Original Message - From: "Alabama Fanatic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:08 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > Please to be identifying yoreSlef. > No hablo redneck. > > Gracias & De Nada > No hablo español redneck. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
Better tell him Fanatic. Hims a big ole boy. And mad at the world ever since that unsuccessful sex-change operation. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Todd Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:21 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) OK - I'll try again. Dear Alabama Fanatic: What's your fuckin' name, bitch? JT - Original Message - From: "Alabama Fanatic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:08 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > Please to be identifying yoreSlef. > No hablo redneck. > > Gracias & De Nada > No hablo español redneck. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
Hell, all I wanted to do was offer some suggestions to help spruce-up his web page: http://www.windclift.com/ But...that's OK. With a name like T.H. Salamon, I can't blame him for keeping it a secret. So, from now on T.H., I will refer to you as Lizard Fish. AMF / KMA Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) Better tell him Fanatic. Hims a big ole boy. And mad at the world ever since that unsuccessful sex-change operation. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Todd Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:21 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) OK - I'll try again. Dear Alabama Fanatic: What's your fuckin' name, bitch? JT - Original Message - From: "Alabama Fanatic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:08 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > Please to be identifying yoreSlef. > No hablo redneck. > > Gracias & De Nada > No hablo español redneck. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
> > OK - I'll try again. > > Dear Alabama Fanatic: > > What's your fuckin' name, bitch? > Now, Now. Ask nicely, or don't ask at all. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
In case you've forgotten, I tried that already, Lizard Fish. Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Alabama Fanatic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > Now, Now. Ask nicely, or don't ask at all. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
> > I will refer to you as Lizard Fish. > I'm honored. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
> > In case you've forgotten, I tried that already, Lizard Fish. > Ted Salamon, Huntsville AL. But Lizard Fish is okay, especially since it is Friday. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
> > I will refer to you as Lizard Fish. > Name updated. Fish. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] (Non-Bama) Boring Boys
Sleffie, JoBu, Lizard Fish(?) Do you boys have nothing else to do or talk about on a beautiful Friday? The name calling is becoming a bit boring... Roll Tide! Sonja - Original Message - From: "Lizard Fish (Alabama Fanatic)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:08 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > I will refer to you as Lizard Fish. > > > Name updated. > > Fish. > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
39? Yeah right. :-) RTR LC --- Pat Smoot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If anyone out there has a widowed 72 year old Mother > that asks you to take > her to see "Passion of the Christ", DO NOT GO !! > Worst movie I've seen in > my 39 years. I'm trying to get Mel Gibson on the > phone right now. > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your > subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] (NON) More Penguin
http://penguin.omnihosts.net/ kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] (Non-Bama) Boring Boys
Feel free to change the subject any time. XOXOX Slef E. - Original Message - From: "SHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:40 AM Subject: [RollTideFan] (Non-Bama) Boring Boys > Sleffie, JoBu, Lizard Fish(?) > Do you boys have nothing else to do or talk about on a beautiful Friday? > The name calling is becoming a bit boring... > > Roll Tide! > Sonja > > - Original Message - > From: "Lizard Fish (Alabama Fanatic)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:08 PM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA) > > > > > > > > I will refer to you as Lizard Fish. > > > > > Name updated. > > > > Fish. > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] TGIF Groaner - (nonBama)
"2 Groaners 4 Today" .. "RANCHING" A cattle rancher needs a bull to service his cows but needs to borrow the breeding fee from the bank. The banker lends him the money and comes by a week later to see how his investment is doing. The farmer complains that the bull just eats grass and won't even look at the cows. The banker tells the farmer that he knows a great veterinarian, and that he'll send him out the next day to check out the bull. The next week the banker returns to see if the vet helped. The farmer looks very pleased and tells the banker, "The bull has serviced all my cows, broke through the fence and has even serviced all my neighbor's cows." "Wow," says the banker. "What did the vet do to that bull?" "Just gave him some pills," replies the farmer. "What kind of pills?" asks the banker. "I don't know," says the smiling farmer, "but they sort of taste like peppermint." "READING" Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a ttoal mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Fcuknig amzanig huh? ... cheers -vo- http://community-2.webtv.net/TIDE1/SOLDIER/ __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Movie Review (Non BAMA)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 6:59 AM Did anyone see "The Last Temptation of Christ"? Yepper I did. Certainly provided an alternative view of the life of Jesus (a very "real" look, btw). Remember Willem Dafoe as Jesus? I thought he did a good job with the role. The movie was just okay, but it did not do the book justice. The book is mucho better. RMc. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] (non) HEY SLEF!!!
I found a game for yore kids! http://www.geekfocus.com/content/view/58/66 kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] More Penguin II (non)
http://www.geekfocus.com/content/view/31/53/ heh... kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] First full scrimmage tomorrow...
Given the events of recent days, no "injury news" is definitely "good news" for the Tide football team. The squad went through a slightly shortened practice Friday, anticipating tomorrow's scrimmage at the stadium. http://alabama.theinsiders.com/2/240133.html J.E. "Jay" Lisby 'BAMA: Inside the Crimson Tide BamaMag.com http://alabama.theinsiders.com/ 'BAMA Football Yearbook __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Diamond Tide Falls
Final Bama: 1 La Tech: 6 ROLL TIDE ANYWAY!! RMc. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] What a Player...
rt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 722-0225. http://www.tidesports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040305/NEWS/40305002/1011 __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] What a Player...
Rick McMahan wrote: Even if you don't enjoy Alabama basketball, you need to read Cecil Hurts most recent article on Antoine Pettway. Enjoy and ROLL TIDE ROLL Pettway RLABOSD!! Thankee Rick! kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] (non) HEY SLEF!!!
Why do you hate my children? Slef E. - Original Message - From: "kurt rasmussen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "rtf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: [RollTideFan] (non) HEY SLEF!!! > I found a game for yore kids! > > http://www.geekfocus.com/content/view/58/66 > > kurt > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] What a Player...
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of kurt rasmussen Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:55 PM Rick McMahan wrote: > Even if you don't enjoy Alabama basketball, you need to read Cecil Hurts > most recent article on Antoine Pettway. Enjoy and ROLL TIDE ROLL Pettway RLABOSD!! He absolutely does! Got to love the heart and determination that that little guy plays with every time on the court. I remember when he first started getting significant playing time; he'd always provide a spark when he entered the game. Remember how he used to slap his hands on the court as if to say, "come on!! Bring it dude!!" A great story and he'll be remembered for a long-long time in Alabama basketball history. He is one of my all-time favorites for sure. ROLL TIDE!! RMc. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] What a Player...
Rick McMahan wrote: Even if you don't enjoy Alabama basketball, you need to read Cecil Hurts most recent article on Antoine Pettway. Enjoy and ROLL TIDE ROLL Pettway RLABOSD!! He absolutely does! Got to love the heart and determination that that little guy plays with every time on the court. I remember when he first started getting significant playing time; he'd always provide a spark when he entered the game. Remember how he used to slap his hands on the court as if to say, "come on!! Bring it dude!!" A great story and he'll be remembered for a long-long time in Alabama basketball history. He is one of my all-time favorites for sure. Tomorrow is the dude's last game at Coleman Coliseum. I hope the crowd gives him an extree special farewell. Supposedly it's gonna be a sold out event. I like BAMA bounceyball! ROLL TIDE!! kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Neal's New Book
As I've said beforeNeal Boortz is the sdmartest man in AmericaJamie http://tinyurl.com/22jrx __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Neal's New Book
Jamie Watts wrote: As I've said beforeNeal Boortz is the sdmartest man in AmericaJamie http://tinyurl.com/22jrx I heard him for the first time a few weeks ago. Don't know that I've ever heard such an ass in my lifetime. kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Rosie - funny headline
So - was the headline of this article meant to be as hilarious as it is? http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-rosie27.html -- Rosie weds longtime girlfriend, slams Bush February 27, 2004 BY LISA LEFF Advertisement SAN FRANCISCO -- Rosie O'Donnell married her longtime girlfriend Thursday, taking what she called a proud stand for gay civil rights in the city where more than 3,300 other same-sex couples have tied the knot since Feb. 12. ''I want to thank the city of San Francisco for this amazing stance the mayor has taken for all the people here, not just us but all the thousands and thousands of loving, law-abiding couples,'' said the former talk show host, holding a large bouquet after she and Kelli Carpenter emerged from their brief ceremony in Mayor Gavin Newsom's office. The couple were married by Treasurer Susan Leal, one of the city's high-profile lesbian elected officials. The newlyweds walked hand in hand down the grand marble staircase in the rotunda to thunderous applause from hundreds of spectators who came to witness the city's first celebrity same-sex wedding. As the San Francisco's Gay Men's Chorus serenaded the couple with a few bars of ''Chapel of Love,'' O'Donnell smiled and said: ''We really did. We got married.'' O'Donnell told the crowd that she and Carpenter, who have been together six years and are raising four children, decided to dash to San Francisco after hearing President Bush endorse a proposed constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage Tuesday. ''We were both inspired to come here after the sitting president made the vile and hateful comments he made,'' O'Donnell said. The couple left New York at 5 a.m. in order to make their 1 p.m. appointment in San Francisco to pick up their marriage license. ''One thought ran through my mind on the plane out here -- with liberty and justice for all,'' O'Donnell said, drawing even more cheers as she held up her hand in a peace sign. She and Carpenter then kissed for the cameras. O'Donnell joked that with four children under the age of 8, they hadn't planned a honeymoon. City Hall has been transformed into a virtual wedding chapel since the city began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Earlier, on ABC's ''Good Morning America,'' O'Donnell said she decided to marry Carpenter, a former dancer and marketing director at Nickelodeon, during her recent trial in New York over the now-defunct Rosie magazine. During the case, she referred to Carpenter as her wife. California Attorney General Bill Lockyer will ask the state Supreme Court today whether San Francisco's issuing of same-sex marriage licenses violates state law, which designates marriage as only between heterosexual couples. AP __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
