Re: [RollTideFan] Ban stuns Seminoles
We can warm up on the French. They're slightly more realistic than a heavy bag. --- Rick McMahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There ya go, that's the true Irish spirit. We'll > need to invite a few of > our Scottish brethren and have a brawl, just leave > the Brits and the > French out of it. > > Rick > > Bryan Benefield wrote: > > Let's drink first like true Irishters. > > > > --- Rick McMahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>I'm game. With sparing gear or without? Makes no > >>difference to me. > >> > >>Rick > >> > >> > >> > >>Bryan Benefield wrote: > >> > >>>Wanna fight about it? > >>> > >>>--- Rick McMahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > Excellent point. As am Irishman, that mascot > name > >> > >>is > >> > definitely > offensive to me. :) > > RTR! > Rick > > > > Rusty wrote: > > > >I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but if > > indian mascots are offensive > > > >to Native Americans and cannot be tolerated, > when > > does Notre Dumb have to > > > >stop being the fighting irish? Talk about a > > stereotype...surely they meet > > > >the "hostile and abusive" standard set by the > > ncaa. > > > > ___ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > E-mail Discussion List > Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! > To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, > please visit > http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Ban stuns Seminoles
Let's drink first like true Irishters. --- Rick McMahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm game. With sparing gear or without? Makes no > difference to me. > > Rick > > > > Bryan Benefield wrote: > > Wanna fight about it? > > > > --- Rick McMahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>Excellent point. As am Irishman, that mascot name > is > >>definitely > >>offensive to me. :) > >> > >>RTR! > >>Rick > >> > >> > >> > >>Rusty wrote: > >> > >>>I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but if > >> > >>indian mascots are offensive > >> > >>>to Native Americans and cannot be tolerated, when > >> > >>does Notre Dumb have to > >> > >>>stop being the fighting irish? Talk about a > >> > >>stereotype...surely they meet > >> > >>>the "hostile and abusive" standard set by the > >> > >>ncaa. > >> > > > > > ___ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > E-mail Discussion List > Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! > To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, > please visit > http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Ban stuns Seminoles
There ya go, that's the true Irish spirit. We'll need to invite a few of our Scottish brethren and have a brawl, just leave the Brits and the French out of it. Rick Bryan Benefield wrote: Let's drink first like true Irishters. --- Rick McMahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm game. With sparing gear or without? Makes no difference to me. Rick Bryan Benefield wrote: Wanna fight about it? --- Rick McMahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Excellent point. As am Irishman, that mascot name is definitely offensive to me. :) RTR! Rick Rusty wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but if indian mascots are offensive to Native Americans and cannot be tolerated, when does Notre Dumb have to stop being the fighting irish? Talk about a stereotype...surely they meet the "hostile and abusive" standard set by the ncaa. ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Ban stuns Seminoles
I'm game. With sparing gear or without? Makes no difference to me. Rick Bryan Benefield wrote: Wanna fight about it? --- Rick McMahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Excellent point. As am Irishman, that mascot name is definitely offensive to me. :) RTR! Rick Rusty wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but if indian mascots are offensive to Native Americans and cannot be tolerated, when does Notre Dumb have to stop being the fighting irish? Talk about a stereotype...surely they meet the "hostile and abusive" standard set by the ncaa. ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Ban stuns Seminoles
Wanna fight about it? --- Rick McMahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Excellent point. As am Irishman, that mascot name is > definitely > offensive to me. :) > > RTR! > Rick > > > > Rusty wrote: > > I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but if > indian mascots are offensive > > to Native Americans and cannot be tolerated, when > does Notre Dumb have to > > stop being the fighting irish? Talk about a > stereotype...surely they meet > > the "hostile and abusive" standard set by the > ncaa. > > > > > > ___ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > E-mail Discussion List > Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! > To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, > please visit > http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Ban stuns Seminoles
All of this touchy feely politically correct bullshit is getting on my last
nerve. They should just flush the NCAA to the bottom of the sea and start
all over.
Joe
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence
of our friends."
- Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)
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From: "JVWatts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Rusty wrote:
when does Notre Dumb have to stop being the fighting irish? Talk about a
stereotype...surely they meet the "hostile and abusive" standard set by
the ncaa.
RS
Executive Committee Chairman Walter Harrison, however, already has set the
NCAA's sights on details as small as the spear on a Seminoles helmet.
"An institution may adopt whatever mascots it wishes; that's an
institutional matter that involves their integrity and autonomy as an
institution," said Harrison, president of the University of Hartford, on a
conference call.
("But as a national association, we believe that mascots,
nicknames or images deemed hostile or abusive in terms of race, ethnicity
or
national origin should not be visible at the championship events that we
control.")
In that sentence right thereIt makes "Fighting Irish" just as
offensive as "Braves"I also think they should make South Carolina and
Jax State stop using the term "Gamecocks"It's arggin' animal abuse to
fight chickensand what about "Bengal Tigers" That's an endangered
speciesI'm offended that they're not more sensitive to the concenrs
and feelings of animals and animal rights activistsJVWatts
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Re: [RollTideFan] Ban stuns Seminoles
Rusty wrote:
when does Notre Dumb have to stop being the fighting irish? Talk about a
stereotype...surely they meet the "hostile and abusive" standard set by the
ncaa.
RS
Executive Committee Chairman Walter Harrison, however, already has set the
NCAA's sights on details as small as the spear on a Seminoles helmet.
"An institution may adopt whatever mascots it wishes; that's an
institutional matter that involves their integrity and autonomy as an
institution," said Harrison, president of the University of Hartford, on a
conference call.
("But as a national association, we believe that mascots,
nicknames or images deemed hostile or abusive in terms of race, ethnicity or
national origin should not be visible at the championship events that we
control.")
In that sentence right thereIt makes "Fighting Irish" just as
offensive as "Braves"I also think they should make South Carolina
and Jax State stop using the term "Gamecocks"It's arggin' animal
abuse to fight chickensand what about "Bengal Tigers" That's an
endangered speciesI'm offended that they're not more sensitive to
the concenrs and feelings of animals and animal rights activistsJVWatts
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Re: [RollTideFan] Ban stuns Seminoles
At 17:33 06-08-05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is true...it amounts to another genocide on American Indiansjust another way to forget they were ever hereI dont care what they call Notre Dame...I will hate them till the day I die I care what they call Notre Dumb. Shite, you can call them AweBum and they would still be Irish or CowLovers and stupid. The Seamanoles should be retired (like Bibby Bowdown) but the NC$$$ name restriction, means that the NC$$, should be put out to pasture. ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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If this is true...it amounts to another genocide on American Indiansjust another way to forget they were ever hereI dont care what they call Notre Dame...I will hate them till the day I die ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Ban stuns Seminoles
Excellent point. As am Irishman, that mascot name is definitely offensive to me. :) RTR! Rick Rusty wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but if indian mascots are offensive to Native Americans and cannot be tolerated, when does Notre Dumb have to stop being the fighting irish? Talk about a stereotype...surely they meet the "hostile and abusive" standard set by the ncaa. ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Ban stuns Seminoles
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but if indian mascots are offensive to Native Americans and cannot be tolerated, when does Notre Dumb have to stop being the fighting irish? Talk about a stereotype...surely they meet the "hostile and abusive" standard set by the ncaa. RS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 11:21 AM To: 'RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: [RollTideFan] Ban stuns Seminoles Ban stuns Seminoles NCAA bars American Indian mascots and symbols from tournaments -- FSU threatens legal fight By Emily Badger | Sentinel Staff Writer Posted August 6, 2005 TEAM NAMES CLASSIFIED AS 'HOSTILE AND ABUSIVE' . Alcorn State University BRAVES . Arkansas State University INDIANS . Bradley University BRAVES . Carthage College REDMEN . Catawba College INDIANS . Central Michigan University CHIPPEWAS . Chowan College BRAVES . Florida State University SEMINOLES . Illinois-Champaign?s ILLINI . Indiana University of Pa. INDIANS . Louisiana-Monroe INDIANS . McMurry University INDIANS . Midwestern State University INDIANS . Mississippi College CHOCTAWS . Newberry College INDIANS . University of Utah UTES . North Dakota FIGHTING SIOUX . Southeastern Oklahoma State SAVAGES TALLAHASSEE -- The NCAA on Friday took its strongest stance yet against American Indian mascots and imagery, announcing that 18 schools -- including Florida State -- cannot host postseason competition as long as their current names and logos are in place. They must also cover up or remove references to those logos when traveling to NCAA championships. The decision, which stunned Florida State officials, came out of Thursday's annual meeting of the NCAA's Executive Committee and Division I board of directors. The NCAA had asked 30 schools this spring to submit reports on whether their mascots, team names and pageantry violated the association's principles of cultural diversity. When the issue finally reached the Executive Committee on Thursday, few expected such a decisive policy after years of the NCAA's hands-off approach to mascots. NCAA President Myles Brand singled out 18 schools as having "prima facie hostile and abusive" symbols, and advocates praised that list for including what they consider the biggest offenders, such as Florida State, Illinois, Utah and North Dakota. The executive committee did not specify exactly what would be considered hostile and abusive. That definition may take years to evolve, with Florida State one of the first schools Friday to threaten a lawsuit. Executive Committee Chairman Walter Harrison, however, already has set the NCAA's sights on details as small as the spear on a Seminoles helmet. "An institution may adopt whatever mascots it wishes; that's an institutional matter that involves their integrity and autonomy as an institution," said Harrison, president of the University of Hartford, on a conference call. "But as a national association, we believe that mascots, nicknames or images deemed hostile or abusive in terms of race, ethnicity or national origin should not be visible at the championship events that we control." The NCAA does not control the college football bowl system, meaning the new policy may have limited effect on Division I football. But Harrison said he hoped the Bowl Championship Series would follow the same procedures. Big 12 Commissioner Kevin Weiberg, currently chair of the BCS, was not prepared to comment Friday. FSU President T.K. Wetherell said in a statement that he intends to pursue "all legal avenues" to overturn the decision, and he pointed to a resolution passed June 17 by the Seminole Tribe of Florida embracing the university's use of the Seminole name and imagery. "That the NCAA would now label our close bond with the Seminole people as culturally 'hostile and abusive' is both outrageous and insulting," Wetherell said. "The rules as we understand them would have us cover the Seminole name and symbol as if we were embarrassed, and any committee that would think that is a proper and respectful treatment of Native Americans should be ashamed." The new policy will take effect in February -- beginning, for example, with next year's NCAA basketball tournament -- to allow schools a chance to complain. But both Harrison and Brand stressed that the decision was four years in the making. Harrison was also confident it would stand up in court. While many advocacy groups were celebrating the decision Friday, the Seminole Tribe of Florida joined Florida State in its anger. "You have non-natives making a decision about native names," said Max Osceola, a member of the Seminole Tribe of Florida's tribal council. "Maybe it took them four years, but it's bee
[RollTideFan] Ban stuns Seminoles
Ban stuns Seminoles NCAA bars American Indian mascots and symbols from tournaments -- FSU threatens legal fight By Emily Badger | Sentinel Staff Writer Posted August 6, 2005 TEAM NAMES CLASSIFIED AS 'HOSTILE AND ABUSIVE' . Alcorn State University BRAVES . Arkansas State University INDIANS . Bradley University BRAVES . Carthage College REDMEN . Catawba College INDIANS . Central Michigan University CHIPPEWAS . Chowan College BRAVES . Florida State University SEMINOLES . Illinois-Champaign?s ILLINI . Indiana University of Pa. INDIANS . Louisiana-Monroe INDIANS . McMurry University INDIANS . Midwestern State University INDIANS . Mississippi College CHOCTAWS . Newberry College INDIANS . University of Utah UTES . North Dakota FIGHTING SIOUX . Southeastern Oklahoma State SAVAGES TALLAHASSEE -- The NCAA on Friday took its strongest stance yet against American Indian mascots and imagery, announcing that 18 schools -- including Florida State -- cannot host postseason competition as long as their current names and logos are in place. They must also cover up or remove references to those logos when traveling to NCAA championships. The decision, which stunned Florida State officials, came out of Thursday's annual meeting of the NCAA's Executive Committee and Division I board of directors. The NCAA had asked 30 schools this spring to submit reports on whether their mascots, team names and pageantry violated the association's principles of cultural diversity. When the issue finally reached the Executive Committee on Thursday, few expected such a decisive policy after years of the NCAA's hands-off approach to mascots. NCAA President Myles Brand singled out 18 schools as having "prima facie hostile and abusive" symbols, and advocates praised that list for including what they consider the biggest offenders, such as Florida State, Illinois, Utah and North Dakota. The executive committee did not specify exactly what would be considered hostile and abusive. That definition may take years to evolve, with Florida State one of the first schools Friday to threaten a lawsuit. Executive Committee Chairman Walter Harrison, however, already has set the NCAA's sights on details as small as the spear on a Seminoles helmet. "An institution may adopt whatever mascots it wishes; that's an institutional matter that involves their integrity and autonomy as an institution," said Harrison, president of the University of Hartford, on a conference call. "But as a national association, we believe that mascots, nicknames or images deemed hostile or abusive in terms of race, ethnicity or national origin should not be visible at the championship events that we control." The NCAA does not control the college football bowl system, meaning the new policy may have limited effect on Division I football. But Harrison said he hoped the Bowl Championship Series would follow the same procedures. Big 12 Commissioner Kevin Weiberg, currently chair of the BCS, was not prepared to comment Friday. FSU President T.K. Wetherell said in a statement that he intends to pursue "all legal avenues" to overturn the decision, and he pointed to a resolution passed June 17 by the Seminole Tribe of Florida embracing the university's use of the Seminole name and imagery. "That the NCAA would now label our close bond with the Seminole people as culturally 'hostile and abusive' is both outrageous and insulting," Wetherell said. "The rules as we understand them would have us cover the Seminole name and symbol as if we were embarrassed, and any committee that would think that is a proper and respectful treatment of Native Americans should be ashamed." The new policy will take effect in February -- beginning, for example, with next year's NCAA basketball tournament -- to allow schools a chance to complain. But both Harrison and Brand stressed that the decision was four years in the making. Harrison was also confident it would stand up in court. While many advocacy groups were celebrating the decision Friday, the Seminole Tribe of Florida joined Florida State in its anger. "You have non-natives making a decision about native names," said Max Osceola, a member of the Seminole Tribe of Florida's tribal council. "Maybe it took them four years, but it's been a lifetime we've been known as the Seminoles." The NCAA took into consideration the resolution the Seminole Tribe of Florida passed June 17. But the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma has strongly opposed Florida State's use of the name, and that didn't escape the NCAA's attention either. "That is great news and wonderful to hear. The whole movement is going in the right direction now," said David Narcomey, a member of the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma who has been lobbying Florida State for years. The rule will have costly implications for all 18 schools covered by the ban as they design and order three sets of uniforms -- one for home games, one for away, and now a third for games played in NCAA c
