Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614)
oh Wish not so much to live long as to live well. - Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1746 - Original Message - From: "Jeff Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > That was a figure of speech, Joseph. > > Slef E. > > - Original Message - > From: "Joe Goodson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > > > > Hmm, they did when I was in school. But I got part of my schooling in NC. > > I moved back to Bama when I was 14. > > Joe > > Joe > > Wish not so much to live long as to live well. > > > > - Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1746 > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jeff Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:50 PM > > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > They didn't teach American History when my DADDY was in school. > > > > > > Slef E. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Joe Goodson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > > > > > > > > > > I agree. Parents are the main problem. But a federal government agency > > > > dictating what the schools can and cannot teach doesn't help. The don't > > > > teach American History anymore. Or at least not enough of it. What > > else > > > > have they phased out of the curriculum? > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614)
That was a figure of speech, Joseph. Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Joe Goodson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > Hmm, they did when I was in school. But I got part of my schooling in NC. > I moved back to Bama when I was 14. > Joe > Joe > Wish not so much to live long as to live well. > > - Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1746 > > > - Original Message - > From: "Jeff Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > > > > Joe, > > > > They didn't teach American History when my DADDY was in school. > > > > Slef E. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Joe Goodson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > > > > > > > I agree. Parents are the main problem. But a federal government agency > > > dictating what the schools can and cannot teach doesn't help. The don't > > > teach American History anymore. Or at least not enough of it. What > else > > > have they phased out of the curriculum? > > > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614)
They also don't teach basic math. Try going somewhere that they don't have computerized cash registers that tell the cashier how much change to give back. You're in for a long wait. - Original Message - From: "Jeff Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > Joe, > > They didn't teach American History when my DADDY was in school. > > Slef E. > > - Original Message - > From: "Joe Goodson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > > > > I agree. Parents are the main problem. But a federal government agency > > dictating what the schools can and cannot teach doesn't help. The don't > > teach American History anymore. Or at least not enough of it. What else > > have they phased out of the curriculum? > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614)
Hmm, they did when I was in school. But I got part of my schooling in NC. I moved back to Bama when I was 14. Joe Joe Wish not so much to live long as to live well. - Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1746 - Original Message - From: "Jeff Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > Joe, > > They didn't teach American History when my DADDY was in school. > > Slef E. > > - Original Message - > From: "Joe Goodson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > > > > I agree. Parents are the main problem. But a federal government agency > > dictating what the schools can and cannot teach doesn't help. The don't > > teach American History anymore. Or at least not enough of it. What else > > have they phased out of the curriculum? > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614)
Joe, They didn't teach American History when my DADDY was in school. Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Joe Goodson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > I agree. Parents are the main problem. But a federal government agency > dictating what the schools can and cannot teach doesn't help. The don't > teach American History anymore. Or at least not enough of it. What else > have they phased out of the curriculum? __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614)
I agree. Parents are the main problem. But a federal government agency dictating what the schools can and cannot teach doesn't help. The don't teach American History anymore. Or at least not enough of it. What else have they phased out of the curriculum? Joe Wish not so much to live long as to live well. - Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1746 - Original Message - From: "Jeff Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > In my not so humble opinion - > > Education starts at home. The public schools give kids a good introduction to various > subjects. Then it's the parents job to take those introductions to higher levels. This > is where the problem lies. I seriously doubt that even 10% of American households has > even one parent who feels like it's their responsibility to expand on their children's > education. Most parents think that because they pay a few dollars per week in the form > of property taxes, the government owes their children Ivy League educations. Then you > have the problem of all the IDIOT parents who aren't capable of balancing a check > book, let alone helping to educate a child even if they wanted to. > > Taking the above into consideration, who honestly thinks spending more money on > education will make a noticeable difference? I sure as hell don't. Sure, it will help > some kids. Most likely the ones who are motivated and/or lucky enough to have a parent > who can help them continue to learn when they get off the bus. Those kids are going to > excel even with the bare minimum funding. For the average, or below average kid you'd > have to spend enough money to hire each of them a personal tutor to see any > difference. My point is, parents are the problem with education in this country. Not a > lack of funding. > > Slef E. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:17 AM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > > > > As far as choosing what kind of education your child receives, you have that > > choice now: Moving to districts where the schools are better; sending your > > kids to private school and home-schooling are all valid options. What most > > people though are looking for are ways to have their children educated > > better, but at no direct cost to the parents. My opinion, differ with me if > > you like, is that it isn't the gubmint's responsibility to provide 'free' > > education to the mass population. If it is, then they get to dictate what is > > taught. If you, as a parent don't like it, fork over the money to move, send > > them to a private school or have one of the parents stay home and teach > > little Jimmy the A,B,C's. > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614)
I could not agree more. Joe Wish not so much to live long as to live well. - Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1746 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: Re: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > I've stayed out of this as long as I can. > > I received NO student loans, grants, etc. to attend college; my parents earned too much money.(yeah, right) But Dub and Earl could have gone to school for free since they lived in poverty. Instead, they decided to retread tires for a living @ 5.00/hr. Now I am supposed to feel sorry for them? If you are poor and can't support yourself: A) you yourself made poor career/education choices. B) you should not have a house full of children that taxpayers now have to clothe, feed AND educate. My conscience is completely clear. > > Sonja > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614)
Ok, we agree that the school system should be ran as a business. Good. Business environments breed competition, and competition breeds innovation and invention and higher standards. It is refreshing to see a post from you that makes sense. :-) Joe Wish not so much to live long as to live well. - Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1746 - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > I agree with you (Shiite!!) that the school systems are in need of one of > them bridges built to those less fortunate. > > Interesting that you point out that we (although there is no 'we' in Federal > Gubmint) spend $5-6000 a year in Federal dollars but then you also mention > how the federal plutocracy wants to dictate what the schools can teach. > Although I don't necessarily agree with it, the entity who pays for the > education (the teacher's salary, the buildings, the expenses) can in fact > dictate what is taught. Whoever holds the purse-strings gets to call the > shots. Until the school systems are treated like a business and ran > accordingly, we are in store for more of the same. > > As far as choosing what kind of education your child receives, you have that > choice now: Moving to districts where the schools are better; sending your > kids to private school and home-schooling are all valid options. What most > people though are looking for are ways to have their children educated > better, but at no direct cost to the parents. My opinion, differ with me if > you like, is that it isn't the gubmint's responsibility to provide 'free' > education to the mass population. If it is, then they get to dictate what is > taught. If you, as a parent don't like it, fork over the money to move, send > them to a private school or have one of the parents stay home and teach > little Jimmy the A,B,C's. > > For schools to teach what the local parents want means the parents are going > to have to pay for it. Having the parents pay $2-800 a month for their kids > to be taught the way in which the parents feel is usually where the fight > ends. > > (Talking about throwing money at a problem, I saw on the news where American > troops were giving money to families (compensating them) who live in houses > that were destroyed as part of the round-up of the bad guys. Wonder how much > a clay and rock 3/2 rancher will fetch in a war-torn area with no > electricity, water or roof?) > > And yes, there are millions of people who don't have running water. If that > isn't the case, explain to me why the entire population of Tinnersee smells > that way???:) > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Joe Goodson > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:25 PM > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > Interesting that we (the American gubmint) can globe-hop and re-build > > schools and make sure all these fine folks have running water while there > > are schools in THIS country that don't have enough > > money\space\teachers\supplies\etc. > > Whoa!!! I know you didn't just say / type that. Consider this. Throwing > money at problems has never done anything other than make them worse. > Consider poverty. We throw money at it and subsidize fatherless babies and > viola! More fatherless babies born into poverty stricken pseudo families! > Think about a drug addict or an alcoholic. Keep throwing money at them and > see what you get. > > So when you think about education, think about the $5-6,000 that we spend in > federal dollars on each student every year. You know, about 25% of the > middleschool students cannot find the United States on a world map? Can you > believe that? It is not due to a lack of money. It is due to a federal > plutocracy that wants to dictate what the schools can teach, i.e.. "Heather > has Two Mommies" and other such crap. If you have a class of 25 students at > $5,000 a pop, then you have 5,000 X 25= $125,000.00. After you pay a > teacher about $30,000.00 that leaves $95,000.00. WTF happens to all that > cash? And that is just from ONE classroom. Multiply the school population > by $5,000.00 and ask yourself why the hell we are cranking out a bunch of > idiots that have to take remedial math courses upon signing up for college. > They don't even teach History like they used to. Face it, the federal > govern
Re: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614)
And I thought this was a Crimson Tide disscussion list. RTR LC --- Jamie Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > GeezThis here chat board reeks of > Libertarianismshe-oohJamie > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > (Now 614) > > > > I've stayed out of this as long as I can. > > > > I received NO student loans, grants, etc. to > attend college; my parents > earned too much money.(yeah, right) But Dub and > Earl could have gone to > school for free since they lived in poverty. > Instead, they decided to > retread tires for a living @ 5.00/hr. Now I am > supposed to feel sorry for > them? If you are poor and can't support yourself: > A) you yourself made poor > career/education choices. B) you should not have a > house full of children > that taxpayers now have to clothe, feed AND educate. > My conscience is > completely clear. > > > > Sonja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: 2004/04/08 Thu AM 08:17:49 EDT > > > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama > Athletics Discussion List'" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > (Now 614) > > > > > > I agree with you (Shiite!!) that the school > systems are in need of one > of > > > them bridges built to those less fortunate. > > > > > > Interesting that you point out that we (although > there is no 'we' in > Federal > > > Gubmint) spend $5-6000 a year in Federal dollars > but then you also > mention > > > how the federal plutocracy wants to dictate what > the schools can teach. > > > Although I don't necessarily agree with it, the > entity who pays for the > > > education (the teacher's salary, the buildings, > the expenses) can in > fact > > > dictate what is taught. Whoever holds the > purse-strings gets to call the > > > shots. Until the school systems are treated like > a business and ran > > > accordingly, we are in store for more of the > same. > > > > > > As far as choosing what kind of education your > child receives, you have > that > > > choice now: Moving to districts where the > schools are better; sending > your > > > kids to private school and home-schooling are > all valid options. What > most > > > people though are looking for are ways to have > their children educated > > > better, but at no direct cost to the parents. My > opinion, differ with me > if > > > you like, is that it isn't the gubmint's > responsibility to provide > 'free' > > > education to the mass population. If it is, then > they get to dictate > what is > > > taught. If you, as a parent don't like it, fork > over the money to move, > send > > > them to a private school or have one of the > parents stay home and teach > > > little Jimmy the A,B,C's. > > > > > > For schools to teach what the local parents want > means the parents are > going > > > to have to pay for it. Having the parents pay > $2-800 a month for their > kids > > > to be taught the way in which the parents feel > is usually where the > fight > > > ends. > > > > > > (Talking about throwing money at a problem, I > saw on the news where > American > > > troops were giving money to families > (compensating them) who live in > houses > > > that were destroyed as part of the round-up of > the bad guys. Wonder how > much > > > a clay and rock 3/2 rancher will fetch in a > war-torn area with no > > > electricity, water or roof?) > > > > > > And yes, there are millions of people who don't > have running water. If > that > > > isn't the case, explain to me why the entire > population of Tinnersee > smells > > > that way???:) > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > > > Behalf Of Joe Goodson > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:25 PM > > > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama > Athletics Discussion List > > > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > >
Re: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614)
GeezThis here chat board reeks of Libertarianismshe-oohJamie - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:02 AM Subject: Re: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > I've stayed out of this as long as I can. > > I received NO student loans, grants, etc. to attend college; my parents earned too much money.(yeah, right) But Dub and Earl could have gone to school for free since they lived in poverty. Instead, they decided to retread tires for a living @ 5.00/hr. Now I am supposed to feel sorry for them? If you are poor and can't support yourself: A) you yourself made poor career/education choices. B) you should not have a house full of children that taxpayers now have to clothe, feed AND educate. My conscience is completely clear. > > Sonja > > > > > > > > From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2004/04/08 Thu AM 08:17:49 EDT > > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > > > > I agree with you (Shiite!!) that the school systems are in need of one of > > them bridges built to those less fortunate. > > > > Interesting that you point out that we (although there is no 'we' in Federal > > Gubmint) spend $5-6000 a year in Federal dollars but then you also mention > > how the federal plutocracy wants to dictate what the schools can teach. > > Although I don't necessarily agree with it, the entity who pays for the > > education (the teacher's salary, the buildings, the expenses) can in fact > > dictate what is taught. Whoever holds the purse-strings gets to call the > > shots. Until the school systems are treated like a business and ran > > accordingly, we are in store for more of the same. > > > > As far as choosing what kind of education your child receives, you have that > > choice now: Moving to districts where the schools are better; sending your > > kids to private school and home-schooling are all valid options. What most > > people though are looking for are ways to have their children educated > > better, but at no direct cost to the parents. My opinion, differ with me if > > you like, is that it isn't the gubmint's responsibility to provide 'free' > > education to the mass population. If it is, then they get to dictate what is > > taught. If you, as a parent don't like it, fork over the money to move, send > > them to a private school or have one of the parents stay home and teach > > little Jimmy the A,B,C's. > > > > For schools to teach what the local parents want means the parents are going > > to have to pay for it. Having the parents pay $2-800 a month for their kids > > to be taught the way in which the parents feel is usually where the fight > > ends. > > > > (Talking about throwing money at a problem, I saw on the news where American > > troops were giving money to families (compensating them) who live in houses > > that were destroyed as part of the round-up of the bad guys. Wonder how much > > a clay and rock 3/2 rancher will fetch in a war-torn area with no > > electricity, water or roof?) > > > > And yes, there are millions of people who don't have running water. If that > > isn't the case, explain to me why the entire population of Tinnersee smells > > that way???:) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Joe Goodson > > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:25 PM > > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > > > Interesting that we (the American gubmint) can globe-hop and re-build > > > schools and make sure all these fine folks have running water while there > > > are schools in THIS country that don't have enough > > > money\space\teachers\supplies\etc. > > > > Whoa!!! I know you didn't just say / type that. Consider this. Throwing > > money at problems has never done anything other than make them worse. > > Consider poverty. We throw money at it and subsidize fatherless babies and > > viola! More fatherless babies born into poverty stricken pseudo families! > > Think about a drug addict or an alcoholic. Keep throwing money at them and > > see what you get. > > > > So when you think about
Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614)
In my not so humble opinion - Education starts at home. The public schools give kids a good introduction to various subjects. Then it's the parents job to take those introductions to higher levels. This is where the problem lies. I seriously doubt that even 10% of American households has even one parent who feels like it's their responsibility to expand on their children's education. Most parents think that because they pay a few dollars per week in the form of property taxes, the government owes their children Ivy League educations. Then you have the problem of all the IDIOT parents who aren't capable of balancing a check book, let alone helping to educate a child even if they wanted to. Taking the above into consideration, who honestly thinks spending more money on education will make a noticeable difference? I sure as hell don't. Sure, it will help some kids. Most likely the ones who are motivated and/or lucky enough to have a parent who can help them continue to learn when they get off the bus. Those kids are going to excel even with the bare minimum funding. For the average, or below average kid you'd have to spend enough money to hire each of them a personal tutor to see any difference. My point is, parents are the problem with education in this country. Not a lack of funding. Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:17 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > As far as choosing what kind of education your child receives, you have that > choice now: Moving to districts where the schools are better; sending your > kids to private school and home-schooling are all valid options. What most > people though are looking for are ways to have their children educated > better, but at no direct cost to the parents. My opinion, differ with me if > you like, is that it isn't the gubmint's responsibility to provide 'free' > education to the mass population. If it is, then they get to dictate what is > taught. If you, as a parent don't like it, fork over the money to move, send > them to a private school or have one of the parents stay home and teach > little Jimmy the A,B,C's. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Does that mean we agree? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:03 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) I've stayed out of this as long as I can. I received NO student loans, grants, etc. to attend college; my parents earned too much money.(yeah, right) But Dub and Earl could have gone to school for free since they lived in poverty. Instead, they decided to retread tires for a living @ 5.00/hr. Now I am supposed to feel sorry for them? If you are poor and can't support yourself: A) you yourself made poor career/education choices. B) you should not have a house full of children that taxpayers now have to clothe, feed AND educate. My conscience is completely clear. Sonja > > From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/04/08 Thu AM 08:17:49 EDT > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > > I agree with you (Shiite!!) that the school systems are in need of one of > them bridges built to those less fortunate. > > Interesting that you point out that we (although there is no 'we' in Federal > Gubmint) spend $5-6000 a year in Federal dollars but then you also mention > how the federal plutocracy wants to dictate what the schools can teach. > Although I don't necessarily agree with it, the entity who pays for the > education (the teacher's salary, the buildings, the expenses) can in fact > dictate what is taught. Whoever holds the purse-strings gets to call the > shots. Until the school systems are treated like a business and ran > accordingly, we are in store for more of the same. > > As far as choosing what kind of education your child receives, you have that > choice now: Moving to districts where the schools are better; sending your > kids to private school and home-schooling are all valid options. What most > people though are looking for are ways to have their children educated > better, but at no direct cost to the parents. My opinion, differ with me if > you like, is that it isn't the gubmint's responsibility to provide 'free' > education to the mass population. If it is, then they get to dictate what is > taught. If you, as a parent don't like it, fork over the money to move, send > them to a private school or have one of the parents stay home and teach > little Jimmy the A,B,C's. > > For schools to teach what the local parents want means the parents are going > to have to pay for it. Having the parents pay $2-800 a month for their kids > to be taught the way in which the parents feel is usually where the fight > ends. > > (Talking about throwing money at a problem, I saw on the news where American > troops were giving money to families (compensating them) who live in houses > that were destroyed as part of the round-up of the bad guys. Wonder how much > a clay and rock 3/2 rancher will fetch in a war-torn area with no > electricity, water or roof?) > > And yes, there are millions of people who don't have running water. If that > isn't the case, explain to me why the entire population of Tinnersee smells > that way???:) > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Joe Goodson > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:25 PM > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > Interesting that we (the American gubmint) can globe-hop and re-build > > schools and make sure all these fine folks have running water while there > > are schools in THIS country that don't have enough > > money\space\teachers\supplies\etc. > > Whoa!!! I know you didn't just say / type that. Consider this. Throwing > money at problems has never done anything other than make them worse. > Consider poverty. We throw money at it and subsidize fatherless babies and > viola! More fatherless babies born into poverty stricken pseudo families! > Think about a drug addict or an alcoholic. Keep throwing money at them and > see what you get. > > So when you think about education, think about the $5-6,000 that we spend in > federal dollars on each student every year. You know, about 25% of the > middleschool students cannot find the United States on a world map? Can you > believe that? It is not due to a lack of money. It is due to a federal > plutocracy that wants to dictate what the schools can teach, i.e.. &quo
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I've stayed out of this as long as I can. I received NO student loans, grants, etc. to attend college; my parents earned too much money.(yeah, right) But Dub and Earl could have gone to school for free since they lived in poverty. Instead, they decided to retread tires for a living @ 5.00/hr. Now I am supposed to feel sorry for them? If you are poor and can't support yourself: A) you yourself made poor career/education choices. B) you should not have a house full of children that taxpayers now have to clothe, feed AND educate. My conscience is completely clear. Sonja > > From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/04/08 Thu AM 08:17:49 EDT > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? (Now 614) > > I agree with you (Shiite!!) that the school systems are in need of one of > them bridges built to those less fortunate. > > Interesting that you point out that we (although there is no 'we' in Federal > Gubmint) spend $5-6000 a year in Federal dollars but then you also mention > how the federal plutocracy wants to dictate what the schools can teach. > Although I don't necessarily agree with it, the entity who pays for the > education (the teacher's salary, the buildings, the expenses) can in fact > dictate what is taught. Whoever holds the purse-strings gets to call the > shots. Until the school systems are treated like a business and ran > accordingly, we are in store for more of the same. > > As far as choosing what kind of education your child receives, you have that > choice now: Moving to districts where the schools are better; sending your > kids to private school and home-schooling are all valid options. What most > people though are looking for are ways to have their children educated > better, but at no direct cost to the parents. My opinion, differ with me if > you like, is that it isn't the gubmint's responsibility to provide 'free' > education to the mass population. If it is, then they get to dictate what is > taught. If you, as a parent don't like it, fork over the money to move, send > them to a private school or have one of the parents stay home and teach > little Jimmy the A,B,C's. > > For schools to teach what the local parents want means the parents are going > to have to pay for it. Having the parents pay $2-800 a month for their kids > to be taught the way in which the parents feel is usually where the fight > ends. > > (Talking about throwing money at a problem, I saw on the news where American > troops were giving money to families (compensating them) who live in houses > that were destroyed as part of the round-up of the bad guys. Wonder how much > a clay and rock 3/2 rancher will fetch in a war-torn area with no > electricity, water or roof?) > > And yes, there are millions of people who don't have running water. If that > isn't the case, explain to me why the entire population of Tinnersee smells > that way???:) > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Joe Goodson > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:25 PM > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > Interesting that we (the American gubmint) can globe-hop and re-build > > schools and make sure all these fine folks have running water while there > > are schools in THIS country that don't have enough > > money\space\teachers\supplies\etc. > > Whoa!!! I know you didn't just say / type that. Consider this. Throwing > money at problems has never done anything other than make them worse. > Consider poverty. We throw money at it and subsidize fatherless babies and > viola! More fatherless babies born into poverty stricken pseudo families! > Think about a drug addict or an alcoholic. Keep throwing money at them and > see what you get. > > So when you think about education, think about the $5-6,000 that we spend in > federal dollars on each student every year. You know, about 25% of the > middleschool students cannot find the United States on a world map? Can you > believe that? It is not due to a lack of money. It is due to a federal > plutocracy that wants to dictate what the schools can teach, i.e.. "Heather > has Two Mommies" and other such crap. If you have a class of 25 students at > $5,000 a pop, then you have 5,000 X 25= $125,000.00. After you pay a > teacher about $30,000.00 that leaves $95,000.00. WTF happens to all that > cash? And that is just from ONE classroo
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I agree with you (Shiite!!) that the school systems are in need of one of them bridges built to those less fortunate. Interesting that you point out that we (although there is no 'we' in Federal Gubmint) spend $5-6000 a year in Federal dollars but then you also mention how the federal plutocracy wants to dictate what the schools can teach. Although I don't necessarily agree with it, the entity who pays for the education (the teacher's salary, the buildings, the expenses) can in fact dictate what is taught. Whoever holds the purse-strings gets to call the shots. Until the school systems are treated like a business and ran accordingly, we are in store for more of the same. As far as choosing what kind of education your child receives, you have that choice now: Moving to districts where the schools are better; sending your kids to private school and home-schooling are all valid options. What most people though are looking for are ways to have their children educated better, but at no direct cost to the parents. My opinion, differ with me if you like, is that it isn't the gubmint's responsibility to provide 'free' education to the mass population. If it is, then they get to dictate what is taught. If you, as a parent don't like it, fork over the money to move, send them to a private school or have one of the parents stay home and teach little Jimmy the A,B,C's. For schools to teach what the local parents want means the parents are going to have to pay for it. Having the parents pay $2-800 a month for their kids to be taught the way in which the parents feel is usually where the fight ends. (Talking about throwing money at a problem, I saw on the news where American troops were giving money to families (compensating them) who live in houses that were destroyed as part of the round-up of the bad guys. Wonder how much a clay and rock 3/2 rancher will fetch in a war-torn area with no electricity, water or roof?) And yes, there are millions of people who don't have running water. If that isn't the case, explain to me why the entire population of Tinnersee smells that way???:) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Goodson Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:25 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > Interesting that we (the American gubmint) can globe-hop and re-build > schools and make sure all these fine folks have running water while there > are schools in THIS country that don't have enough > money\space\teachers\supplies\etc. Whoa!!! I know you didn't just say / type that. Consider this. Throwing money at problems has never done anything other than make them worse. Consider poverty. We throw money at it and subsidize fatherless babies and viola! More fatherless babies born into poverty stricken pseudo families! Think about a drug addict or an alcoholic. Keep throwing money at them and see what you get. So when you think about education, think about the $5-6,000 that we spend in federal dollars on each student every year. You know, about 25% of the middleschool students cannot find the United States on a world map? Can you believe that? It is not due to a lack of money. It is due to a federal plutocracy that wants to dictate what the schools can teach, i.e.. "Heather has Two Mommies" and other such crap. If you have a class of 25 students at $5,000 a pop, then you have 5,000 X 25= $125,000.00. After you pay a teacher about $30,000.00 that leaves $95,000.00. WTF happens to all that cash? And that is just from ONE classroom. Multiply the school population by $5,000.00 and ask yourself why the hell we are cranking out a bunch of idiots that have to take remedial math courses upon signing up for college. They don't even teach History like they used to. Face it, the federal government needs to give Americans school vouchers so that they can choose what kind of education their children receive. > Not to mention the millions of people who can't afford health care; who > can't find decent housing; who don't have running water. OH puhlease! Do you actually think that there are MILLIONS of people in America without running water in their house? Joe There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war. - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTid
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> Interesting that we (the American gubmint) can globe-hop and re-build > schools and make sure all these fine folks have running water while there > are schools in THIS country that don't have enough > money\space\teachers\supplies\etc. Whoa!!! I know you didn't just say / type that. Consider this. Throwing money at problems has never done anything other than make them worse. Consider poverty. We throw money at it and subsidize fatherless babies and viola! More fatherless babies born into poverty stricken pseudo families! Think about a drug addict or an alcoholic. Keep throwing money at them and see what you get. So when you think about education, think about the $5-6,000 that we spend in federal dollars on each student every year. You know, about 25% of the middleschool students cannot find the United States on a world map? Can you believe that? It is not due to a lack of money. It is due to a federal plutocracy that wants to dictate what the schools can teach, i.e.. "Heather has Two Mommies" and other such crap. If you have a class of 25 students at $5,000 a pop, then you have 5,000 X 25= $125,000.00. After you pay a teacher about $30,000.00 that leaves $95,000.00. WTF happens to all that cash? And that is just from ONE classroom. Multiply the school population by $5,000.00 and ask yourself why the hell we are cranking out a bunch of idiots that have to take remedial math courses upon signing up for college. They don't even teach History like they used to. Face it, the federal government needs to give Americans school vouchers so that they can choose what kind of education their children receive. > Not to mention the millions of people who can't afford health care; who > can't find decent housing; who don't have running water. OH puhlease! Do you actually think that there are MILLIONS of people in America without running water in their house? Joe There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war. - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Resistance is futile. I wonder what small arm of Halliburton it is that builds these bridges? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Todd Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:54 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? GWB reads this list, Jobu Pierre. He must have picked up on your suggestion that we build bridges to those less fortunate. You, sir, are a much more powerful influence than you realize. I see a Nobel Prize in your future. Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 5:45 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > Interesting that we (the American gubmint) can globe-hop and re-build > schools and make sure all these fine folks have running water __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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GWB reads this list, Jobu Pierre. He must have picked up on your suggestion that we build bridges to those less fortunate. You, sir, are a much more powerful influence than you realize. I see a Nobel Prize in your future. Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 5:45 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > Interesting that we (the American gubmint) can globe-hop and re-build > schools and make sure all these fine folks have running water __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Interesting that we (the American gubmint) can globe-hop and re-build schools and make sure all these fine folks have running water while there are schools in THIS country that don't have enough money\space\teachers\supplies\etc. Not to mention the millions of people who can't afford health care; who can't find decent housing; who don't have running water. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Goodson Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:05 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war. - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:15 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > Taking that to last year, .. and the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that etc, etc, etc ..the American people and the people of the world > were told, in certain and definite terms, that Saddam had amassed stockpiles > of chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons. There was no doubt > about it. None. And that's how many weapons we've found thus far: None. > > Am I suggesting that he doesn't have any? No. Am I saying that with billions > of dollars in surveillance, both on the ground ... Wait. We did not have any ground surveilance. Clinton cut back on our hiring and dealing with unsavory people who had blood on their hands. That is why we had such a huge gap in our intelligence capabilities. ...and in space, that the US > can't spot the movement of such weapons? Yes. More disappointing to me than > the fact that we haven't found any is the fact that we don't know where they > are. At least, the general public doesn't know where they are. The military > may, but they ain't telling. Well, not until the August-September time > frame, which happens to be the time when Ole Bin will be found. I don't want him foundI want him dead. > > If the US strictly wanted Saddam out of power, I would think there would be > less obvious ways to do it than rolling up in the middle of the town square > with a battle tank. Like what? Asking him to leave town nicely with sugar on top? And remember, our government has acknowledged the fact > that there is little to no evidence linking Saddam to Al Quaida and 9-11. > > As a side note, either 3 or 7 troops were killed yesterday, depending on > where you read. Why are you keeping score on the deaths of our soldiers? Why not keep score on how many schools we have rebuilt or how many homes now have running water and electricity? Joe > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Joe Goodson > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:06 PM > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > Since Jobu is throwing out bait, I might as well throw some too. > > http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/fisher/me_s02.htm > > BTW, this link goes to a page verifying an incident that I had almost > forgotten about during Gulf War 1. I knew this guy personally and had > played partners with him in games of spades many a night while out in the > field. I had no idea his name was David. We all knew him simply as "Fish". > Good kid. He got exposed to mustard agent. Stands to reason that if it was > there back then, then it might be somewhere around there now. Only question > isis it buried 50 ft below the sand somewhere in Iraq, or is it in > Syria? Whadyathink Jobu? > > Joe > > There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be > withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we > desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure > peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it > must be known that we are at all times ready for war. > > > - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 > > > - Original Message - > From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'
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Stating a fact doesn't lend itself to emotional attachment. I guess I'm just trying to see it from a killer's point of view in that killing is a job, something like taking out the trash. No emotion involved, can't be. The liberation of Iraq must go on, despite the cost in human life, both American and Iraqi. We must stay the course. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:52 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > >As a side note, either 3 or 7 troops were killed yesterday, depending on >where you read. > Were these your friends or family? Or maybe some sort of furry animals? If not, I thought you didn't care. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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> >As a side note, either 3 or 7 troops were killed yesterday, depending on >where you read. > Were these your friends or family? Or maybe some sort of furry animals? If not, I thought you didn't care. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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ROTFLMAO!! There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war. - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 - Original Message - From: "Jeff Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > Jobu - > > Many, many years ago in a land far, far away ... didn't your last name used to be > spelled - PIERRE? You know, in FRANCE, the motherland. > > Slef E. > > - Original Message - > From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 6:15 AM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > > Well, I didn't read much more than the first paragraph as the rest seemed to > > only detail what was already said. > > > > You asked what do I think. If you're talking about a soldier getting exposed > > to mustard gas 13 years ago equating to the suggestion that Saddam had > > chemical weapons of some type, then the argument is valid. > > > > Taking that to last year, the American people and the people of the world > > were told, in certain and definite terms, that Saddam had amassed stockpiles > > of chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons. There was no doubt > > about it. None. And that's how many weapons we've found thus far: None. > > > > Am I suggesting that he doesn't have any? No. Am I saying that with billions > > of dollars in surveillance, both on the ground and in space, that the US > > can't spot the movement of such weapons? Yes. More disappointing to me than > > the fact that we haven't found any is the fact that we don't know where they > > are. At least, the general public doesn't know where they are. The military > > may, but they ain't telling. Well, not until the August-September time > > frame, which happens to be the time when Ole Bin will be found. > > > > If the US strictly wanted Saddam out of power, I would think there would be > > less obvious ways to do it than rolling up in the middle of the town square > > with a battle tank. And remember, our government has acknowledged the fact > > that there is little to no evidence linking Saddam to Al Quaida and 9-11. > > > > As a side note, either 3 or 7 troops were killed yesterday, depending on > > where you read. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Joe Goodson > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:06 PM > > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > > Since Jobu is throwing out bait, I might as well throw some too. > > > > http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/fisher/me_s02.htm > > > > BTW, this link goes to a page verifying an incident that I had almost > > forgotten about during Gulf War 1. I knew this guy personally and had > > played partners with him in games of spades many a night while out in the > > field. I had no idea his name was David. We all knew him simply as "Fish". > > Good kid. He got exposed to mustard agent. Stands to reason that if it was > > there back then, then it might be somewhere around there now. Only question > > isis it buried 50 ft below the sand somewhere in Iraq, or is it in > > Syria? Whadyathink Jobu? > > > > Joe > > > > There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be > > withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we > > desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure > > peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it > > must be known that we are at all times ready for war. > > > > > > - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:56 AM
Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh?
There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war. - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:15 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > Taking that to last year, .. and the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that etc, etc, etc ..the American people and the people of the world > were told, in certain and definite terms, that Saddam had amassed stockpiles > of chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons. There was no doubt > about it. None. And that's how many weapons we've found thus far: None. > > Am I suggesting that he doesn't have any? No. Am I saying that with billions > of dollars in surveillance, both on the ground ... Wait. We did not have any ground surveilance. Clinton cut back on our hiring and dealing with unsavory people who had blood on their hands. That is why we had such a huge gap in our intelligence capabilities. ...and in space, that the US > can't spot the movement of such weapons? Yes. More disappointing to me than > the fact that we haven't found any is the fact that we don't know where they > are. At least, the general public doesn't know where they are. The military > may, but they ain't telling. Well, not until the August-September time > frame, which happens to be the time when Ole Bin will be found. I don't want him foundI want him dead. > > If the US strictly wanted Saddam out of power, I would think there would be > less obvious ways to do it than rolling up in the middle of the town square > with a battle tank. Like what? Asking him to leave town nicely with sugar on top? And remember, our government has acknowledged the fact > that there is little to no evidence linking Saddam to Al Quaida and 9-11. > > As a side note, either 3 or 7 troops were killed yesterday, depending on > where you read. Why are you keeping score on the deaths of our soldiers? Why not keep score on how many schools we have rebuilt or how many homes now have running water and electricity? Joe > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Joe Goodson > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:06 PM > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > Since Jobu is throwing out bait, I might as well throw some too. > > http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/fisher/me_s02.htm > > BTW, this link goes to a page verifying an incident that I had almost > forgotten about during Gulf War 1. I knew this guy personally and had > played partners with him in games of spades many a night while out in the > field. I had no idea his name was David. We all knew him simply as "Fish". > Good kid. He got exposed to mustard agent. Stands to reason that if it was > there back then, then it might be somewhere around there now. Only question > isis it buried 50 ft below the sand somewhere in Iraq, or is it in > Syria? Whadyathink Jobu? > > Joe > > There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be > withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we > desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure > peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it > must be known that we are at all times ready for war. > > > - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 > > > - Original Message - > From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:56 AM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > > I dare say I didn't take the time to remember the names of the recently > > departed. In fact, the papers nor the major Internet sites even list the > > names of the soldiers who are killed. Guess they have to first notify the > > next of kin. > > > > And as a correction, the number this morning is 610. Seems the > intelligence > > is about as consistent as it was a year or so ago. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [
RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh?
And in the distance...a dog barked... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Todd Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:26 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? Jobu - Many, many years ago in a land far, far away ... didn't your last name used to be spelled - PIERRE? You know, in FRANCE, the motherland. Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 6:15 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > Well, I didn't read much more than the first paragraph as the rest seemed to > only detail what was already said. > > You asked what do I think. If you're talking about a soldier getting exposed > to mustard gas 13 years ago equating to the suggestion that Saddam had > chemical weapons of some type, then the argument is valid. > > Taking that to last year, the American people and the people of the world > were told, in certain and definite terms, that Saddam had amassed stockpiles > of chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons. There was no doubt > about it. None. And that's how many weapons we've found thus far: None. > > Am I suggesting that he doesn't have any? No. Am I saying that with billions > of dollars in surveillance, both on the ground and in space, that the US > can't spot the movement of such weapons? Yes. More disappointing to me than > the fact that we haven't found any is the fact that we don't know where they > are. At least, the general public doesn't know where they are. The military > may, but they ain't telling. Well, not until the August-September time > frame, which happens to be the time when Ole Bin will be found. > > If the US strictly wanted Saddam out of power, I would think there would be > less obvious ways to do it than rolling up in the middle of the town square > with a battle tank. And remember, our government has acknowledged the fact > that there is little to no evidence linking Saddam to Al Quaida and 9-11. > > As a side note, either 3 or 7 troops were killed yesterday, depending on > where you read. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Joe Goodson > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:06 PM > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > Since Jobu is throwing out bait, I might as well throw some too. > > http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/fisher/me_s02.htm > > BTW, this link goes to a page verifying an incident that I had almost > forgotten about during Gulf War 1. I knew this guy personally and had > played partners with him in games of spades many a night while out in the > field. I had no idea his name was David. We all knew him simply as "Fish". > Good kid. He got exposed to mustard agent. Stands to reason that if it was > there back then, then it might be somewhere around there now. Only question > isis it buried 50 ft below the sand somewhere in Iraq, or is it in > Syria? Whadyathink Jobu? > > Joe > > There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be > withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we > desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure > peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it > must be known that we are at all times ready for war. > > > - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 > > > - Original Message - > From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:56 AM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > > I dare say I didn't take the time to remember the names of the recently > > departed. In fact, the papers nor the major Internet sites even list the > > names of the soldiers who are killed. Guess they have to first notify the > > next of kin. > > > > And as a correction, the number this morning is 610. Seems the > intelligence > > is about as consistent as it was a year or so ago. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Tim Boozer > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:33 AM > > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discuss
Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh?
Jobu - Many, many years ago in a land far, far away ... didn't your last name used to be spelled - PIERRE? You know, in FRANCE, the motherland. Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 6:15 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > Well, I didn't read much more than the first paragraph as the rest seemed to > only detail what was already said. > > You asked what do I think. If you're talking about a soldier getting exposed > to mustard gas 13 years ago equating to the suggestion that Saddam had > chemical weapons of some type, then the argument is valid. > > Taking that to last year, the American people and the people of the world > were told, in certain and definite terms, that Saddam had amassed stockpiles > of chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons. There was no doubt > about it. None. And that's how many weapons we've found thus far: None. > > Am I suggesting that he doesn't have any? No. Am I saying that with billions > of dollars in surveillance, both on the ground and in space, that the US > can't spot the movement of such weapons? Yes. More disappointing to me than > the fact that we haven't found any is the fact that we don't know where they > are. At least, the general public doesn't know where they are. The military > may, but they ain't telling. Well, not until the August-September time > frame, which happens to be the time when Ole Bin will be found. > > If the US strictly wanted Saddam out of power, I would think there would be > less obvious ways to do it than rolling up in the middle of the town square > with a battle tank. And remember, our government has acknowledged the fact > that there is little to no evidence linking Saddam to Al Quaida and 9-11. > > As a side note, either 3 or 7 troops were killed yesterday, depending on > where you read. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Joe Goodson > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:06 PM > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > Since Jobu is throwing out bait, I might as well throw some too. > > http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/fisher/me_s02.htm > > BTW, this link goes to a page verifying an incident that I had almost > forgotten about during Gulf War 1. I knew this guy personally and had > played partners with him in games of spades many a night while out in the > field. I had no idea his name was David. We all knew him simply as "Fish". > Good kid. He got exposed to mustard agent. Stands to reason that if it was > there back then, then it might be somewhere around there now. Only question > isis it buried 50 ft below the sand somewhere in Iraq, or is it in > Syria? Whadyathink Jobu? > > Joe > > There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be > withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we > desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure > peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it > must be known that we are at all times ready for war. > > > - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 > > > - Original Message - > From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:56 AM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > > I dare say I didn't take the time to remember the names of the recently > > departed. In fact, the papers nor the major Internet sites even list the > > names of the soldiers who are killed. Guess they have to first notify the > > next of kin. > > > > And as a correction, the number this morning is 610. Seems the > intelligence > > is about as consistent as it was a year or so ago. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Tim Boozer > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:33 AM > > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Behalf Of Joel Perry > > >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:48 AM > > >To: &#x
RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh?
Well, I didn't read much more than the first paragraph as the rest seemed to only detail what was already said. You asked what do I think. If you're talking about a soldier getting exposed to mustard gas 13 years ago equating to the suggestion that Saddam had chemical weapons of some type, then the argument is valid. Taking that to last year, the American people and the people of the world were told, in certain and definite terms, that Saddam had amassed stockpiles of chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons. There was no doubt about it. None. And that's how many weapons we've found thus far: None. Am I suggesting that he doesn't have any? No. Am I saying that with billions of dollars in surveillance, both on the ground and in space, that the US can't spot the movement of such weapons? Yes. More disappointing to me than the fact that we haven't found any is the fact that we don't know where they are. At least, the general public doesn't know where they are. The military may, but they ain't telling. Well, not until the August-September time frame, which happens to be the time when Ole Bin will be found. If the US strictly wanted Saddam out of power, I would think there would be less obvious ways to do it than rolling up in the middle of the town square with a battle tank. And remember, our government has acknowledged the fact that there is little to no evidence linking Saddam to Al Quaida and 9-11. As a side note, either 3 or 7 troops were killed yesterday, depending on where you read. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Goodson Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:06 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? Since Jobu is throwing out bait, I might as well throw some too. http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/fisher/me_s02.htm BTW, this link goes to a page verifying an incident that I had almost forgotten about during Gulf War 1. I knew this guy personally and had played partners with him in games of spades many a night while out in the field. I had no idea his name was David. We all knew him simply as "Fish". Good kid. He got exposed to mustard agent. Stands to reason that if it was there back then, then it might be somewhere around there now. Only question isis it buried 50 ft below the sand somewhere in Iraq, or is it in Syria? Whadyathink Jobu? Joe There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war. - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > I dare say I didn't take the time to remember the names of the recently > departed. In fact, the papers nor the major Internet sites even list the > names of the soldiers who are killed. Guess they have to first notify the > next of kin. > > And as a correction, the number this morning is 610. Seems the intelligence > is about as consistent as it was a year or so ago. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tim Boozer > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:33 AM > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Behalf Of Joel Perry > >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:48 AM > >To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' > >Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > > > >Not really. 613 as of the 6:00 news yesterday. But thanks for > >trying to keep > >me updated. > > > > Don't listen to this from Jobu, he only cares about death if he personally > knows the deceased or if it is an animal. He's only posting this crap as > bait. > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alaba
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Werkin..well, sort of. LOL Joe There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war. - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 - Original Message - From: "kurt rasmussen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > Hey Joe, > > Where were ya earlier today? > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/04/05/clinton.homefire.ap/index.html > > kurt > > Joe Goodson wrote: > > > To be honest, no I did not write it. I am not sure that I am articulate > > enough to write that without a lot of drafts first. LOL English 101 was > > not my favorite. But I wholeheartedly agree with it. > > Joe > > > > There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be > > withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we > > desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure > > peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it > > must be known that we are at all times ready for war. > > > > > > - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:48 AM > > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > > > > > >>Not really. 613 as of the 6:00 news yesterday. But thanks for trying to > > > > keep > > > >>me updated. > >> > >>And did you really write all this stuff below? > >> > >> -Original Message- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >>Behalf Of Joe Goodson > >>Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:56 PM > >>To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > >>Subject: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > >> > >>Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They > > > > complain > > > >>about his prosecution of it. They point out that Iraq didn't attack the > > > > U.S. > > > >>and we shouldn't have gone to war with them. One liberal recently claimed > >>Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Most of these claims come > > > > from > > > >>liberals in the Democratic party. > >> > >>Being an Independent I decided to take a look at history and see if using > >>that criteria who else could be called the "worst" president. > >> > >>FDR ( a democrat) led us into World War II against Germany, Italy, and > >>Japan. Neither Germany or Italy ever attacked us: Japan did. From > > > > 1941-1945, > > > >>450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. That's 1 > > > > Democratic > > > >>President, 4 years and 450,000 American lives > >> > >>Harry Truman (a democrat) finished that war and started one in Korea, > > > > North > > > >>Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an > > > > average > > > >>of 18,333 per year. > >>That's 1 Democratic President, 3 years, and 55,000 American lives. > >> > >>John F. Kennedy (a democrat) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam > >>never attacked us. Lyndon B. Johnson > >>(a democrat) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives > >>were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Finally in the 1970's Richard > > > > Nixon > > > >>(a republican) pulled us out of Vietnam. That's 2 Democratic Presidents, 1 > >>Republican President, 13 years, and 58,000 American lives. > >> > >>Bill Clinton went to war in Bosnia WITHOUT UN or French consent, Bosnia > >>never attacked us. The Clinton administration was offered Osama bin > > > > Laden's > > > >>head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked > >>us on multiple occasions. > >> > >>In the two yea
Re: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh?
Since Jobu is throwing out bait, I might as well throw some too. http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/fisher/me_s02.htm BTW, this link goes to a page verifying an incident that I had almost forgotten about during Gulf War 1. I knew this guy personally and had played partners with him in games of spades many a night while out in the field. I had no idea his name was David. We all knew him simply as "Fish". Good kid. He got exposed to mustard agent. Stands to reason that if it was there back then, then it might be somewhere around there now. Only question isis it buried 50 ft below the sand somewhere in Iraq, or is it in Syria? Whadyathink Jobu? Joe There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war. - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > I dare say I didn't take the time to remember the names of the recently > departed. In fact, the papers nor the major Internet sites even list the > names of the soldiers who are killed. Guess they have to first notify the > next of kin. > > And as a correction, the number this morning is 610. Seems the intelligence > is about as consistent as it was a year or so ago. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tim Boozer > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:33 AM > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Behalf Of Joel Perry > >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:48 AM > >To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' > >Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > > > > >Not really. 613 as of the 6:00 news yesterday. But thanks for > >trying to keep > >me updated. > > > > Don't listen to this from Jobu, he only cares about death if he personally > knows the deceased or if it is an animal. He's only posting this crap as > bait. > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Hey Joe, Where were ya earlier today? http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/04/05/clinton.homefire.ap/index.html kurt Joe Goodson wrote: To be honest, no I did not write it. I am not sure that I am articulate enough to write that without a lot of drafts first. LOL English 101 was not my favorite. But I wholeheartedly agree with it. Joe There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war. - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:48 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? Not really. 613 as of the 6:00 news yesterday. But thanks for trying to keep me updated. And did you really write all this stuff below? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Goodson Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:56 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. They point out that Iraq didn't attack the U.S. and we shouldn't have gone to war with them. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Most of these claims come from liberals in the Democratic party. Being an Independent I decided to take a look at history and see if using that criteria who else could be called the "worst" president. FDR ( a democrat) led us into World War II against Germany, Italy, and Japan. Neither Germany or Italy ever attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. That's 1 Democratic President, 4 years and 450,000 American lives Harry Truman (a democrat) finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year. That's 1 Democratic President, 3 years, and 55,000 American lives. John F. Kennedy (a democrat) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Lyndon B. Johnson (a democrat) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Finally in the 1970's Richard Nixon (a republican) pulled us out of Vietnam. That's 2 Democratic Presidents, 1 Republican President, 13 years, and 58,000 American lives. Bill Clinton went to war in Bosnia WITHOUT UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. The Clinton administration was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured Sadaam Hussein, who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost about 600 soldiers, an average of 200 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home. That's 1 Republican President, 2 1/2 years, and about 600 American lives. Then the Democrats complained about how long the war on terror is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it TOOK JANET RENO TO TAKE THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN C0MPOUND! THAT WAS A 51 DAY OPERATION! We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for LESS TIME THAN IT TOOK HILLARY CLINTON TO LOCATE THE ROSE LAW FIRM RECORDS IN HER OWN OFFICE! It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took TED KENNEDY TO CALL THE POLICE AND GIVE HIMSELF UP AFTER HE HAD AN ACCIDENT WHILE DRUNK AND SANK HIS OLDSMOBILE IN THE CHAPPAQUIDIK RIVER KILLING THE YOUNG LADY WHO WAS HIS PASSENGER! And Finally... IT TOOK LESS TIME FOR THE U.S. MILITARY TO TAKE IRAQ THAN IT DID TO COUNT THE VOTES IN FLORIDA IN 2000 But for some reason the Democrats didn't complain about how long any of that took! Hmmm. A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussio
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To be honest, no I did not write it. I am not sure that I am articulate enough to write that without a lot of drafts first. LOL English 101 was not my favorite. But I wholeheartedly agree with it. Joe There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war. - George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793 - Original Message - From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:48 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > Not really. 613 as of the 6:00 news yesterday. But thanks for trying to keep > me updated. > > And did you really write all this stuff below? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Joe Goodson > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:56 PM > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > Subject: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain > about his prosecution of it. They point out that Iraq didn't attack the U.S. > and we shouldn't have gone to war with them. One liberal recently claimed > Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Most of these claims come from > liberals in the Democratic party. > > Being an Independent I decided to take a look at history and see if using > that criteria who else could be called the "worst" president. > > FDR ( a democrat) led us into World War II against Germany, Italy, and > Japan. Neither Germany or Italy ever attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, > 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. That's 1 Democratic > President, 4 years and 450,000 American lives > > Harry Truman (a democrat) finished that war and started one in Korea, North > Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average > of 18,333 per year. > That's 1 Democratic President, 3 years, and 55,000 American lives. > > John F. Kennedy (a democrat) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam > never attacked us. Lyndon B. Johnson > (a democrat) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives > were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Finally in the 1970's Richard Nixon > (a republican) pulled us out of Vietnam. That's 2 Democratic Presidents, 1 > Republican President, 13 years, and 58,000 American lives. > > Bill Clinton went to war in Bosnia WITHOUT UN or French consent, Bosnia > never attacked us. The Clinton administration was offered Osama bin Laden's > head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked > us on multiple occasions. > > In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated > two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear > inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and > captured Sadaam > Hussein, who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. > We lost about 600 soldiers, an average of 200 a year. Bush did all this > abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home. That's 1 > Republican President, 2 1/2 years, and about 600 American lives. > > Then the Democrats complained about how long the war on terror is taking, > but...It took less time to take Iraq than it TOOK JANET RENO TO TAKE THE > BRANCH DAVIDIAN C0MPOUND! THAT WAS A 51 DAY OPERATION! > > We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for LESS TIME > THAN IT TOOK HILLARY CLINTON TO LOCATE THE ROSE LAW FIRM RECORDS IN HER OWN > OFFICE! > > It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy > the Medina Republican Guard than it took TED KENNEDY TO CALL THE POLICE AND > GIVE HIMSELF UP AFTER HE HAD AN ACCIDENT WHILE DRUNK AND SANK HIS OLDSMOBILE > IN THE CHAPPAQUIDIK RIVER KILLING THE YOUNG LADY WHO WAS HIS PASSENGER! > > And Finally... > IT TOOK LESS TIME FOR THE U.S. MILITARY TO TAKE IRAQ THAN IT DID TO COUNT > THE VOTES IN FLORIDA IN 2000 > > But for some reason the Democrats didn't complain about how long any of that > took! Hmmm. > > A government which robs Peter to pay Paul > can always depend on the support of Paul. > -- George Bernard Shaw > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome
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I'll take that as "no." >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Joel Perry >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:23 PM >To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' >Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > >It might appear that some folks have a misconception that negative comments >are un-truthful while positive comments are equitable to truthful comments. > >I find it hard to put a positive slant on the events in Iraq. I could >perhaps take what appears to be the stance of others who are saying, in >effect, "The American deaths are a part of this conflict and serve a noble >purpose in that they died to protect the American way of life." > >So, in an attempt to understand another side of the issue, I will try to >find positive reasons for the 610 deaths and hundreds of billions >of dollars >spent thus far to find those weapons of...wait a minute. That >would be a >reference to a negative or an un-truth huh? Try this: I will try to find >positive reasons for the 610 deaths and hundreds of billions of dollars >spent thus far to bring stability to a region that was under the leadership >of a ruthless dictator. > > > -Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Tim Boozer >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:35 AM >To:RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List >Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > >> >> >>---Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Behalf Of Joel Perry >>Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:56 AM >>To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' >>Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? >> >> >>I dare say I didn't take the time to remember the names of the recently >>departed. In fact, the papers nor the major Internet sites even list the >>names of the soldiers who are killed. Guess they have to first notify the >>next of kin. >> >>And as a correction, the number this morning is 610. Seems the >intelligence >>is about as consistent as it was a year or so ago. > > > >Has anybody ever done anything anywhere that you have had a >positive word to >say about? > > > > >Warning to all: Jobu sarcasm cometh > > >__ >RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > >"Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > >To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit >http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > >__ >RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > >"Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > >To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription >visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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It might appear that some folks have a misconception that negative comments are un-truthful while positive comments are equitable to truthful comments. I find it hard to put a positive slant on the events in Iraq. I could perhaps take what appears to be the stance of others who are saying, in effect, "The American deaths are a part of this conflict and serve a noble purpose in that they died to protect the American way of life." So, in an attempt to understand another side of the issue, I will try to find positive reasons for the 610 deaths and hundreds of billions of dollars spent thus far to find those weapons of...wait a minute. That would be a reference to a negative or an un-truth huh? Try this: I will try to find positive reasons for the 610 deaths and hundreds of billions of dollars spent thus far to bring stability to a region that was under the leadership of a ruthless dictator. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:35 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > >---Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Joel Perry >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:56 AM >To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' >Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > >I dare say I didn't take the time to remember the names of the recently >departed. In fact, the papers nor the major Internet sites even list the >names of the soldiers who are killed. Guess they have to first notify the >next of kin. > >And as a correction, the number this morning is 610. Seems the intelligence >is about as consistent as it was a year or so ago. Has anybody ever done anything anywhere that you have had a positive word to say about? Warning to all: Jobu sarcasm cometh __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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> > >---Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Joel Perry >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:56 AM >To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' >Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > >I dare say I didn't take the time to remember the names of the recently >departed. In fact, the papers nor the major Internet sites even list the >names of the soldiers who are killed. Guess they have to first notify the >next of kin. > >And as a correction, the number this morning is 610. Seems the intelligence >is about as consistent as it was a year or so ago. Has anybody ever done anything anywhere that you have had a positive word to say about? Warning to all: Jobu sarcasm cometh __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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I dare say I didn't take the time to remember the names of the recently departed. In fact, the papers nor the major Internet sites even list the names of the soldiers who are killed. Guess they have to first notify the next of kin. And as a correction, the number this morning is 610. Seems the intelligence is about as consistent as it was a year or so ago. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:33 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Joel Perry >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:48 AM >To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' >Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > >Not really. 613 as of the 6:00 news yesterday. But thanks for >trying to keep >me updated. > Don't listen to this from Jobu, he only cares about death if he personally knows the deceased or if it is an animal. He's only posting this crap as bait. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Joel Perry >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:48 AM >To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' >Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? > > >Not really. 613 as of the 6:00 news yesterday. But thanks for >trying to keep >me updated. > Don't listen to this from Jobu, he only cares about death if he personally knows the deceased or if it is an animal. He's only posting this crap as bait. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Not really. 613 as of the 6:00 news yesterday. But thanks for trying to keep me updated. And did you really write all this stuff below? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Goodson Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:56 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:[RollTideFan] Hey...Jobu 602 huh? Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. They point out that Iraq didn't attack the U.S. and we shouldn't have gone to war with them. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Most of these claims come from liberals in the Democratic party. Being an Independent I decided to take a look at history and see if using that criteria who else could be called the "worst" president. FDR ( a democrat) led us into World War II against Germany, Italy, and Japan. Neither Germany or Italy ever attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. That's 1 Democratic President, 4 years and 450,000 American lives Harry Truman (a democrat) finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year. That's 1 Democratic President, 3 years, and 55,000 American lives. John F. Kennedy (a democrat) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Lyndon B. Johnson (a democrat) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Finally in the 1970's Richard Nixon (a republican) pulled us out of Vietnam. That's 2 Democratic Presidents, 1 Republican President, 13 years, and 58,000 American lives. Bill Clinton went to war in Bosnia WITHOUT UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. The Clinton administration was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured Sadaam Hussein, who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost about 600 soldiers, an average of 200 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home. That's 1 Republican President, 2 1/2 years, and about 600 American lives. Then the Democrats complained about how long the war on terror is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it TOOK JANET RENO TO TAKE THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN C0MPOUND! THAT WAS A 51 DAY OPERATION! We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for LESS TIME THAN IT TOOK HILLARY CLINTON TO LOCATE THE ROSE LAW FIRM RECORDS IN HER OWN OFFICE! It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took TED KENNEDY TO CALL THE POLICE AND GIVE HIMSELF UP AFTER HE HAD AN ACCIDENT WHILE DRUNK AND SANK HIS OLDSMOBILE IN THE CHAPPAQUIDIK RIVER KILLING THE YOUNG LADY WHO WAS HIS PASSENGER! And Finally... IT TOOK LESS TIME FOR THE U.S. MILITARY TO TAKE IRAQ THAN IT DID TO COUNT THE VOTES IN FLORIDA IN 2000 But for some reason the Democrats didn't complain about how long any of that took! Hmmm. A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
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Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. They point out that Iraq didn't attack the U.S. and we shouldn't have gone to war with them. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Most of these claims come from liberals in the Democratic party. Being an Independent I decided to take a look at history and see if using that criteria who else could be called the "worst" president. FDR ( a democrat) led us into World War II against Germany, Italy, and Japan. Neither Germany or Italy ever attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. That's 1 Democratic President, 4 years and 450,000 American lives Harry Truman (a democrat) finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year. That's 1 Democratic President, 3 years, and 55,000 American lives. John F. Kennedy (a democrat) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Lyndon B. Johnson (a democrat) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Finally in the 1970's Richard Nixon (a republican) pulled us out of Vietnam. That's 2 Democratic Presidents, 1 Republican President, 13 years, and 58,000 American lives. Bill Clinton went to war in Bosnia WITHOUT UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. The Clinton administration was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured Sadaam Hussein, who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost about 600 soldiers, an average of 200 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home. That's 1 Republican President, 2 1/2 years, and about 600 American lives. Then the Democrats complained about how long the war on terror is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it TOOK JANET RENO TO TAKE THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN C0MPOUND! THAT WAS A 51 DAY OPERATION! We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for LESS TIME THAN IT TOOK HILLARY CLINTON TO LOCATE THE ROSE LAW FIRM RECORDS IN HER OWN OFFICE! It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took TED KENNEDY TO CALL THE POLICE AND GIVE HIMSELF UP AFTER HE HAD AN ACCIDENT WHILE DRUNK AND SANK HIS OLDSMOBILE IN THE CHAPPAQUIDIK RIVER KILLING THE YOUNG LADY WHO WAS HIS PASSENGER! And Finally... IT TOOK LESS TIME FOR THE U.S. MILITARY TO TAKE IRAQ THAN IT DID TO COUNT THE VOTES IN FLORIDA IN 2000 But for some reason the Democrats didn't complain about how long any of that took! Hmmm. A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
