Re: [RollTideFan] NCAA reduces charge
Jeff, I am going to cross post something that I posted to AU-Sports to answer why people like to talk about UA. - - Forwarded message -- From: William H Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:27:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [aus] Another Meltdown on TI Since you haven't been around that long, I'll tell you that actually I have pretty much been in a minority amongst Auburn people in attempting to maintain a Bama-neutral stance in watching their games. I have been that way since 1997 when I noticed the bammers in my family took a game played by 18-22 year old boy's *WAY* too seriously. I couldn't stand to pull against them week after week and hear them bitch and moan all the next week so I stopped. BTW - you didn't say whether you pulled for UA or UT today. Pray tell please enlighten us as to who you pulled for. bill evans Hartselle, AL [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:19:16 -0400 Rock Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wouldn't you rather Bama be ranked (highly) and at the top of their game when they played Auburn? Wouldn't that make the game so much more meaningful? - As much as it might pain me to say this, I am going to say it: Auburn people, like most people (maybe 98% of the people I have met of all teams fans) like to revel in the misfortunes of others. In case you haven't noticed, there is a *LOT* of this in sports. ($1 to Bill Buckner) ($1 to Al Downing) ($1 to the Buffalo Bills) I could come up with examples of this all night. Luckily, this mostly is contained to the part of the human experience we call 'sports'. You don't see people dancing around saying The bank foreclosed on your house, the bank foreclosed on your house.. That kind of stuff goes on all the time in sports. But the point is, that due to the baser human impulses to talk about the other guys and how screwed up they are, and a few extremely 'thread worthy' news items coming out of Tuscaloosa the past 18 months, and I'll admit that we have talked about UA a whole lot the past 18 months. Before the internet was around this was called 'gossip'. I still don't think it was anywhere near 10%-15% of the total year's traffic, much less half of the sports related traffic. You see, I was exaggerating about that 'cat' thread. We actually had 125 messages that day about Terry Bowden in addition to that 'cat' thread. But I see your point, those Terry Bowden posts weren't sports related either. If we are going to go that route, couldn't we say that the CMD/Little Debbie posts and UA-NCAA posts weren't sports related either? Auburn people pull against Alabama, and vice-versa. It's expected. When they get their wish, they celebrate. It's human. I will remind you that a very high percentage of the posts on RTF last week were 'Siie Pig!'. It happens, it's no big deal, and you should get used to it. BTW - what I said in the post above was true. And I believe you have heard me say that the 1997 Iron Bowl was what lead me to at least *attempt* to see where I personally was acting this way. I no longer really pull against Bama like I used to. Seeing Ed Scissum cry like he did after the Arians screen pass, I will *attempt* to never pull against anyone or wish misfortune AT ALL (especially in sports) the rest of my life. BTW #2 - Please mention that much of the recent discussion of Bama amongst the barners is an incredulity at Bama fans wanting to fire Franchione. ($1 to Hugh) bill evans Hartselle, AL [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 3 Nov 2001 02:08:11 -0600 Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've said it before and I'll say it again. You aubies are some of the most knowledgeable BAMA Football Historians on the face of our earth. I'll give you credit. Y'all are well schooled in BAMA History. Hell, I guess y'all needed something to occupy your time. It only takes about 15 minutes to memorize the storied history of arbrin football. You should be alarmed by the fact that BAMA dominates the daily *SPORTS* related discussions on your list. To say youse guys have a 'terminal inferiority complex' would be an understatement. I must close now. But, before I go I need to remind you...BAMA IS GONNA WHIP arbins *ASS* on November 17th! Roll Tide!! Slef -Original Message- From: William H Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, November 03, 2001 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] NCAA reduces charge Jeff, Fascinating. ($1 to Spock) We talk 'Star Trek' year round as well. Semi-seriously though, in the year or year and a half you have been lurking on AU-Sports, what has happened at UA? 1) You had just gotten through with the last item in the CMD/Little Debbie saga with his fine of $360k. 2) Then you start out #3 and go 3-8 3) NCAA comes to town as you fire your coach 4) Coaching search 5) Franchione hire Those
Re: [RollTideFan] NCAA reduces charge
William H Evans wrote: But seriously, if Bama gets (let's just guess) half the charges dropped, wouldn't that put them officially into them into 'untouchable' status? After being gang-raped by the NCAA in 1995, I don't think we can ever be considered untouchable. -- Phil Harbison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] NCAA reduces charge
But back to my original question: There are TV reports that the Ivy Williams charges are going to be dropped. http://www.tiderinsider.com/forum/messages/12509876.html Comments? bill evansHartselle, AL[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 03 Nov 2001 04:26:02 -0500 "Phillip L. Harbison" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William H Evans wrote: But seriously, if Bama gets (let's just guess) half the charges dropped, wouldn't that put them officially into them into 'untouchable' status? After being gang-raped by the NCAA in 1995, I don't think we can ever be considered "untouchable". -- Phil Harbison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RollTideFan] NCAA reduces charge
But back to my original question: There are TV reports that the Ivy Williams charges are going to be dropped. http://www.tiderinsider.com/forum/messages/12509876.html Comments? bill evans Hartselle, AL [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't believe anything said on tiderinsider. BarnerBill we know that you Aubies are hoping Bama gets slammed. And btw, Allbarn still sucks. To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
[RollTideFan] NCAA reduces charge
I just looked back through my e-mail and I didn't see any discussion of this today. Comments? You guys holding your breath till you see if this ends up being true? There is also a report on TI that UA has called a press conference for tomorrow involving Ivy Williams. When will UA start wearing gold helmets? bill evans Hartselle, AL [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_sta ndard.xsl?/base/sports/10046961191741035.xml NCAA reduces charge 11/02/01 STEVE KIRK News staff writer TUSCALOOSA The NCAA enforcement staff has lessened at least one major charge against the University of Alabama football program, a source familiar with the investigation confirmed Thursday. Meanwhile, interviews with sources familiar with the case indicate that Alabama has offered a self-imposed penalty of no more than 20 scholarship cuts over no more than three years. The self-imposed penalty also includes recruiting restrictions and may include a fine. The NCAA's official letter of inquiry on Sept. 5 leveled 16 charges, including three major charges involving the 1995-97 recruitment of Stevenson's Kenny Smith and the 1999-2000 recruitment of Memphis' Albert Means. Those three charges pertained mostly to the actions of boosters Logan Young, Wendell Smith or Ray Keller. Although the university officially disassociated the boosters in its Oct. 24 written response, it also contested some of the allegations connected with those three charges. That included an argument by Alabama that the NCAA's 5-year statute of limitations had expired in the Smith case. University officials met with the enforcement staff Tuesday at a pre-hearing at Indianapolis, in preparation for a Nov. 17 appearance before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions. Although details were not clear, that meeting led to the enforcement staff reducing the allegations connected with at least one of the charges that stemmed from the Smith or Means recruitment. Alabama's statute of limitations argument in the Smith case appeared more likely to be considered by the infractions committee than by the enforcement staff, because the enforcement staff deemed it appropriate to include in the original charges. Alabama faculty athletics representative Gene Marsh and attorney Stan Murphy would not comment on the matter. But Murphy said that university officials were meeting to determine whether they could make public any information without violating a confidentiality agreement with the NCAA. If so, a statement could be forthcoming. The NCAA will not comment on the case until the committee on infractions announces its findings. That announcement is expected in January. It can choose to either accept Alabama's self-imposed penalties included in the Oct. 24 response or place additional penalties on the program. Meanwhile, the purpose of Tuesday's meeting was for the accuser (the enforcement staff) and defendant (the university) to go over all 16 itemized charges, making clear which ones they agree and disagree on before the hearing. On Tuesday, the enforcement staff decided to make alterations. Several are expected as it prepares its case summary to present to the infractions committee. The case summary will outline both sides' positions on each charge and list whether they agree. The committee will use it as a guide for the hearing. Although that hearing is scheduled for the same day as the annual Alabama-Auburn game at Jordan-Hare Stadium, university officials pushed hard to be included on that docket, because the next committee meeting isn't scheduled until February. University president Andrew Sorensen and Athletics Director Mal Moore will miss the game to be at Indianapolis, along with Marsh, Murphy, university compliance director Marie Robbins and outside attorney Rich Hilliard, a former NCAA investigator from the Ice Miller law firm at Indianapolis. Former Alabama assistant coaches Ronnie Cottrell and Ivy Williams, both accused of unethical conduct in the NCAA's charges, will be represented at the hearing. They are allowed to take part in discussions pertaining to their charges only. The alleged violations occurred during the coaching regimes of Mike DuBose and Gene Stallings, but current Crimson Tide head coach Dennis Franchione will appear before the committee by videotape, telephone, or both. Franchione is expected to talk about the current staff's commitment to following the rules. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] NCAA reduces charge
-- likewise -- On Sat, 3 Nov 2001 00:59:52 -0600 "Jeff Todd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: comments embedded~~ -Original Message- From: William H Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roll Tide Fan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Roll Tide Fan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Date: Saturday, November 03, 2001 12:33 AM Subject: [RollTideFan] NCAA reduces charge I just looked back through my e-mail and I didn't see any discussion of this today. Comments? Apparently you failed to read your arbrin e-mail. I saw those messages. You know I did because I speculated it would be the Stevenson charges that were dropped. I am talking about *this* list. As usual, BAMA is the main topic of discussion on the arbrin list. Just like Auburn was the main topic on this listlast Saturday. I know you were beating 'off', so you didn't have much else to talk about. Well, we are beating 'off' all week long this week, so we don't have anything else to talk about. Besides, NCAA = Newsworthy for most people. Especially barners. We wrote that book, remember? FWIW - I dispute your claim that UA was the main topic of conversation this week on AU-Sports. Of over 300 messages on that list on Wednesday when this first came out, less than 20 were about this. The rest were about cats. g You guys holding your breath till you see if this ends up being true? Wouldn't that be the smart thing to do? Yes it would. Can't blame anybody there, especially since it is an unnamed source. There is also a report on TI that UA has called a press conference for tomorrow involving Ivy Williams. A *REPORT*, or barner bait? I am talking about these: http://www.tiderinsider.com/forum/messages/12509876.html http://www.tiderinsider.com/forum/messages/12509843.html When will UA start wearing gold helmets? EXACTLY one day after arbrin wins a National Championship. In other words..NEVER! I knew you would love that one. But seriously, if Bama gets (let's just guess) half the charges dropped, wouldn't that put them officially into them into 'untouchable' status? Roll Tide!! Slef bill evansHartselle, AL[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RollTideFan] NCAA reduces charge
I'll reserve comment until such time as all the details are made public. That seems like the smart thing to do. Roll Tide!! Slef -Original Message- From: William H Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, November 03, 2001 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] NCAA reduces charge But seriously, if Bama gets (let's just guess) half the charges dropped, wouldn't that put them officially into them into 'untouchable' status? To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
