Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-29 Thread Michael Barabanov

Tomasz Motylewski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Michael Barabanov wrote:
> 
> > CONFIG_RTL was an oversight; sorry.
> > I will add CONFIG_RTL in the next version. Meanwhile, you could 
> > define CONFIG_RTL in include/compat/linux/rtl.h (yes, linux/rtl.h is there,
> > it's just not in the kernel source anymore).
> 
> This will not help, it is "make config", not source code dependence. Comedi
> looks in kernel's .config (Config.in script depends on it). 

Ok I see. Will fix. Thanks.

> > I haven't looked at comedy makefiles. The idea about building
> > RTLinux applications is that the application Makefile should include
> > the rtl.mk file from the RTLinux distribution that it's being compiled
> > against. This file contains all paths, gcc flags etc. And the
> 
> This brings us to the question of standard location of rtl.mk file?
> /usr/src/linux/include is standard, /usr/include/rtlinux is standard.
> rtl.mk NOR rtlinux30pre6c/include/compat are not installed as a part
> of "make install". So, my point is that system after "make install" + pached
> kernel source should be enough to build and use RT modules.

There still must be a way to get the compiler flags.

> Moreover imagine what happens if some application depends on more than one
> package having it's .mk file. One should then at least change
> CFLAGS = ...
> to
> CFLAGS += ...
> in rtl.mk

I like the += idea.

> I would understand requirement to fix makefiles going from v2.0 to v3.0.
> But if you release v3.0 as v2.x YOU are responsible for keeping
> compatybility. I think that in this case good fix would be to add
> /usr/src/include/linux/rtl.h (same as
> rtlinux30pre6c/include/compat/linux/rtl.h) to kernel_patch-2.2

I still don't see how this is a RTLinux problem. It is comedy's responsibility
to include rtl.mk to get all include files correctly.
I for one have multiple versions of rtlinux installed (smp/up, 2.2/2.4 etc).
I do not think I am the only one.
And there is only one standard location.

> We are talking about V2 (not V1) compatybility of rtlinux-2.3-pre3.tar.gz.

Ok. After all 2.3 is still in pre stage. Now that we some problems are
known, we can fix them and get closer to the better 2.3 release.

Michael.

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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-29 Thread Michael Barabanov

David Schleef ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Wasn't this discussion about source compatibility?  Requiring that
> the user modify the source code to upgrade != source
> compatibility.

Like I wrote to Tomasz, 2.3 is really 2.3pre3. We still have a chance
to get it right before final release...

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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-28 Thread David Schleef

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 11:31:41AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > First: /usr/src/linux/.config
> > 
> > rtlinux-2.3-pre2: CONFIG_RTL=y
> > 
> > rtlinux-2.3-pre3: CONFIG_RTLINUX=y
> > Why was this changed?
> 
> Why is this referenced in comedi?

So that Comedi can autodetect RTLinux.  This is the reason I gave
when I convinced you to originally put it in.  Not a problem, the
autodetect script can be changed as necessary.


> > Second: linux/rtl.h: No such file or directory
> > Is there any way to detect (#ifdef) the change from  to 
> 
> It's easy to define 
> #if LINUX_VERSION_CODE >= KERNEL_VERSION(2,3,0)
> 
> We probably need a RTLINUX_VERSION_CODE too.

Wasn't this discussion about source compatibility?  Requiring that
the user modify the source code to upgrade != source
compatibility.




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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-28 Thread yodaiken

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 09:57:03AM -0700, Wayne E. Van Loon Sr. wrote:
> Hello rtl users:
> I am very interested in switching to v3 if using a debugger is possible. 
> Which debugger and is there documentation on using the debugger with
> RT-threads?
> Wayne

GDB. There is a howto.

> 
> 
> Michael Barabanov wrote:
> > 
> > Sundeep Kapila ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 07:14:09PM +0400, Michael Barabanov wrote:
> > > > 2.2.13-rtl2.0 is very old. Please use the latest, 3.0pre6e, available
> > > > from ftp://fsmlabs.com/pub/rtlinux/v3
> > > What are the main differences ?
> > > How is v3 better ?
> > 
> > Too many things to list really; here are some points:
> > 
> > - 2.2 and 2.4 kernels support
> > - debugger for RT-threads
> > - multiple architectures (x86, ppc, alpha)
> > - posix IPC (semaphores, mutexes, condvars, etc)
> > - user-space realtime
> > - mixing RTLinux v1.x and v2.x API is now possible
> > - much less bugs
> > 
> > etc
> > 
> > Michael.
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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-28 Thread yodaiken

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 06:20:50PM +0200, Tomasz Motylewski wrote:
> Well I was actually quite shocked/amazed thet you have packaged
> rtlinux30pre6c as rtlinux-2.3-pre3.tar.gz. Shocked, because it was to me like
> Linus releasing his new 2.4.3pre14 kernel as stable 2.2.19. Amazed, because
> it means you have kept source compatibility with RTL-2.0. 

We would like to maintain fewer code bases -- so backporting the kernel
dependent stuff seemed cleaner.

> But unfortunately there are some problems which prevent just taking RTL-2.0
> application (like comedi) and compiling it with rtlinux-2.3-pre3.
> 
> First: /usr/src/linux/.config
> 
> rtlinux-2.3-pre2: CONFIG_RTL=y
> 
> rtlinux-2.3-pre3: CONFIG_RTLINUX=y
> Why was this changed?

Why is this referenced in comedi?

> Second: linux/rtl.h: No such file or directory
> Is there any way to detect (#ifdef) the change from  to 

It's easy to define 
#if LINUX_VERSION_CODE >= KERNEL_VERSION(2,3,0)

We probably need a RTLINUX_VERSION_CODE too.

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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-28 Thread Tomasz Motylewski

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Michael Barabanov wrote:

> CONFIG_RTL was an oversight; sorry.
> I will add CONFIG_RTL in the next version. Meanwhile, you could 
> define CONFIG_RTL in include/compat/linux/rtl.h (yes, linux/rtl.h is there,
> it's just not in the kernel source anymore).

This will not help, it is "make config", not source code dependence. Comedi
looks in kernel's .config (Config.in script depends on it). 

> I haven't looked at comedy makefiles. The idea about building
> RTLinux applications is that the application Makefile should include
> the rtl.mk file from the RTLinux distribution that it's being compiled
> against. This file contains all paths, gcc flags etc. And the

This brings us to the question of standard location of rtl.mk file?
/usr/src/linux/include is standard, /usr/include/rtlinux is standard.
rtl.mk NOR rtlinux30pre6c/include/compat are not installed as a part
of "make install". So, my point is that system after "make install" + pached
kernel source should be enough to build and use RT modules.

Moreover imagine what happens if some application depends on more than one
package having it's .mk file. One should then at least change
CFLAGS = ...
to
CFLAGS += ...
in rtl.mk

I would understand requirement to fix makefiles going from v2.0 to v3.0.
But if you release v3.0 as v2.x YOU are responsible for keeping
compatybility. I think that in this case good fix would be to add
/usr/src/include/linux/rtl.h (same as
rtlinux30pre6c/include/compat/linux/rtl.h) to kernel_patch-2.2

We are talking about V2 (not V1) compatybility of rtlinux-2.3-pre3.tar.gz.

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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-28 Thread Wayne E. Van Loon Sr.

Hello rtl users:
I am very interested in switching to v3 if using a debugger is possible. 
Which debugger and is there documentation on using the debugger with
RT-threads?
Wayne


Michael Barabanov wrote:
> 
> Sundeep Kapila ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Hi,
> > On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 07:14:09PM +0400, Michael Barabanov wrote:
> > > 2.2.13-rtl2.0 is very old. Please use the latest, 3.0pre6e, available
> > > from ftp://fsmlabs.com/pub/rtlinux/v3
> > What are the main differences ?
> > How is v3 better ?
> 
> Too many things to list really; here are some points:
> 
> - 2.2 and 2.4 kernels support
> - debugger for RT-threads
> - multiple architectures (x86, ppc, alpha)
> - posix IPC (semaphores, mutexes, condvars, etc)
> - user-space realtime
> - mixing RTLinux v1.x and v2.x API is now possible
> - much less bugs
> 
> etc
> 
> Michael.
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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-28 Thread Michael Barabanov

Hi Tomek,

> > - much less bugs
> 
> Well I was actually quite shocked/amazed thet you have packaged
> rtlinux30pre6c as rtlinux-2.3-pre3.tar.gz. Shocked, because it was to me like
> Linus releasing his new 2.4.3pre14 kernel as stable 2.2.19. Amazed, because
> it means you have kept source compatibility with RTL-2.0. 

Right. I did it because I consider the current 3.0pre to be more stable
than 2.3-pre2. And I'm pretty sure about source compatibility.
In fact, I'll be willing to consider fixing any incompatibilities found.

> But unfortunately there are some problems which prevent just taking RTL-2.0
> application (like comedi) and compiling it with rtlinux-2.3-pre3.
> 
> First: /usr/src/linux/.config
> 
> rtlinux-2.3-pre2: CONFIG_RTL=y
> 
> rtlinux-2.3-pre3: CONFIG_RTLINUX=y
> Why was this changed?

CONFIG_RTL was an oversight; sorry.
I will add CONFIG_RTL in the next version. Meanwhile, you could 
define CONFIG_RTL in include/compat/linux/rtl.h (yes, linux/rtl.h is there,
it's just not in the kernel source anymore).

I haven't looked at comedy makefiles. The idea about building
RTLinux applications is that the application Makefile should include
the rtl.mk file from the RTLinux distribution that it's being compiled
against. This file contains all paths, gcc flags etc. And the
include path does contain include/compat, so there should be no problem
finding linux/rtl.h. In fact, examples/v1api/parallel/rtc_toggle.c that
includes this file compiles on my system.

Michael.

PS BTW, I think this approach makes discussions on standard locations 
for RTL include files, etc irrelevant.


> Second: linux/rtl.h: No such file or directory
> Is there any way to detect (#ifdef) the change from  to 
> ?
> 
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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-28 Thread Tomasz Motylewski

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Michael Barabanov wrote:

> > On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 07:14:09PM +0400, Michael Barabanov wrote:
> > > 2.2.13-rtl2.0 is very old. Please use the latest, 3.0pre6e, available
> > > from ftp://fsmlabs.com/pub/rtlinux/v3

> - 2.2 and 2.4 kernels support
[...]
> - much less bugs

Well I was actually quite shocked/amazed thet you have packaged
rtlinux30pre6c as rtlinux-2.3-pre3.tar.gz. Shocked, because it was to me like
Linus releasing his new 2.4.3pre14 kernel as stable 2.2.19. Amazed, because
it means you have kept source compatibility with RTL-2.0. 

But unfortunately there are some problems which prevent just taking RTL-2.0
application (like comedi) and compiling it with rtlinux-2.3-pre3.

First: /usr/src/linux/.config

rtlinux-2.3-pre2: CONFIG_RTL=y

rtlinux-2.3-pre3: CONFIG_RTLINUX=y
Why was this changed?

Second: linux/rtl.h: No such file or directory
Is there any way to detect (#ifdef) the change from  to 
?

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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-28 Thread Sundeep Kapila

> - 2.2 and 2.4 kernels support
> - debugger for RT-threads
> - multiple architectures (x86, ppc, alpha)
> - posix IPC (semaphores, mutexes, condvars, etc)
> - user-space realtime
What does this really mean ?
User space hard real-time ?

Sundeep Kapila
> - mixing RTLinux v1.x and v2.x API is now possible
> - much less bugs
> 
> etc
> 
> Michael.
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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-28 Thread Michael Barabanov

> > - user-space realtime
> What does this really mean ?
> User space hard real-time ?

In your Linux process, you can execute code in hard-realtime
via rtlinux_sigaction.

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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-28 Thread yodaiken

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 01:39:03PM +0400, Michael Barabanov wrote:

re V3 RTLinux

> - mixing RTLinux v1.x and v2.x API is now possible

But very much discouraged and future support is not promised. This is 
a bridge out of the V1 api.


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RE: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-28 Thread Stephen D. Cohen

> > What are the main differences ? 
> > How is v3 better ?
> 
> Too many things to list really; here are some points:
> 
> - 2.2 and 2.4 kernels support
> - debugger for RT-threads
> - multiple architectures (x86, ppc, alpha)
> - posix IPC (semaphores, mutexes, condvars, etc)
> - user-space realtime
> - mixing RTLinux v1.x and v2.x API is now possible
> - much less bugs
> 
> etc

And dare I add:

 - Currently in development and thus "supported" by the developers

NOTE: The quotes in the above sentence are meant only to releive the
developers of any implied support requirement, and generally indicate the
state of support on open source software.  They are most certainly *NOT*
meant to suggest that the support is anything less than excellent, which it
is.  I have never had such prompt answers to questions with any commercial
OS.

Regards,

Steve

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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-28 Thread Michael Barabanov

Sundeep Kapila ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi,
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 07:14:09PM +0400, Michael Barabanov wrote:
> > 2.2.13-rtl2.0 is very old. Please use the latest, 3.0pre6e, available
> > from ftp://fsmlabs.com/pub/rtlinux/v3
> What are the main differences ? 
> How is v3 better ?

Too many things to list really; here are some points:

- 2.2 and 2.4 kernels support
- debugger for RT-threads
- multiple architectures (x86, ppc, alpha)
- posix IPC (semaphores, mutexes, condvars, etc)
- user-space realtime
- mixing RTLinux v1.x and v2.x API is now possible
- much less bugs

etc

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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-27 Thread Sundeep Kapila

Hi,
On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 07:14:09PM +0400, Michael Barabanov wrote:
> 2.2.13-rtl2.0 is very old. Please use the latest, 3.0pre6e, available
> from ftp://fsmlabs.com/pub/rtlinux/v3
What are the main differences ? 
How is v3 better ?

Sundeep Kapila
> 
> Michael.
> 
> Theo ten Brummelaar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I've been using RT linux for many years now. We have a six 1m telescope
> > optical interferometric array here on mount wilson and RT-linux is the
> > main engine. I've been using a 2.0.37 kernel for a long time (RedHat
> > 5.2) and I have many machines doing just fine with this. I recently
> > tried upgrading to a more recent version of RTL2.0 (a 2.2.13-rtl2.0
> > kernel I downloaded a while ago on top of Redhat 6.1). On one machine it
> > all went well (I'm still using the old API), on another machine with two
> > processors I try to load the modules using:
> > 
> > /sbin/insmod rtl_time
> > /sbin/insmod rtl_sched
> > /sbin/insmod rtl_posixio
> > /sbin/insmod rtl_fifo
> ...
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Re: [rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-27 Thread Michael Barabanov

2.2.13-rtl2.0 is very old. Please use the latest, 3.0pre6e, available
from ftp://fsmlabs.com/pub/rtlinux/v3

Michael.

Theo ten Brummelaar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been using RT linux for many years now. We have a six 1m telescope
> optical interferometric array here on mount wilson and RT-linux is the
> main engine. I've been using a 2.0.37 kernel for a long time (RedHat
> 5.2) and I have many machines doing just fine with this. I recently
> tried upgrading to a more recent version of RTL2.0 (a 2.2.13-rtl2.0
> kernel I downloaded a while ago on top of Redhat 6.1). On one machine it
> all went well (I'm still using the old API), on another machine with two
> processors I try to load the modules using:
> 
> /sbin/insmod rtl_time
> /sbin/insmod rtl_sched
> /sbin/insmod rtl_posixio
> /sbin/insmod rtl_fifo
...
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[rtl] Trouble upgrading to RT2.0

2000-08-24 Thread Theo ten Brummelaar

Hi all,

I've been using RT linux for many years now. We have a six 1m telescope
optical interferometric array here on mount wilson and RT-linux is the
main engine. I've been using a 2.0.37 kernel for a long time (RedHat
5.2) and I have many machines doing just fine with this. I recently
tried upgrading to a more recent version of RTL2.0 (a 2.2.13-rtl2.0
kernel I downloaded a while ago on top of Redhat 6.1). On one machine it
all went well (I'm still using the old API), on another machine with two
processors I try to load the modules using:

/sbin/insmod rtl_time
/sbin/insmod rtl_sched
/sbin/insmod rtl_posixio
/sbin/insmod rtl_fifo

and get lot's of strange messages in response:

/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
do_gettimeofday_R72270e35
/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
loops_per_sec_Re367fd84
/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
add_timer_Rbea990b2
/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
kd_mksound_R5325bbd2
/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
__cli_Re45078fb
/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
boot_cpu_data_R4d12d1d7
/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
rtl_global_pend_irq_Re0cae50c
/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
jiffies_R0da02d67
/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
rtl_get_soft_irq_R41feedd4
/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
free_irq_Rf20dabd8
/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
rtl_request_global_irq_R23e64cab
/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
rtl_free_global_irq_R759ad1a9
/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
rtl_hard_enable_irq_Rccf8fd12
/lib/modules/2.2.13-rtl2.0/misc/rtl_time.o: unresolved symbol
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