Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
Ralph Corderoy wrote: |> How do you post correctly. Explain top posting so I can avoid doing |> it. | |https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style should explain. In brief, |it's common to keep just the pertinent bits of the email you're replying |to, "quote" those, I use "> " as do many others, and then intersperse |your reply between those quotes, using them for context to give |clarification and avoiding repeating their content. | |But really, people should be forgiving of newcomers that are seeking |help and don't understand the local conventions. :-) I apologise. Time getting more and more rude, it seems i am infected. --steffen -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
Hi Donald, > How do you post correctly. Explain top posting so I can avoid doing > it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style should explain. In brief, it's common to keep just the pertinent bits of the email you're replying to, "quote" those, I use "> " as do many others, and then intersperse your reply between those quotes, using them for context to give clarification and avoiding repeating their content. But really, people should be forgiving of newcomers that are seeking help and don't understand the local conventions. :-) -- Cheers, Ralph. https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
Ralph Corderoy wrote: |BTW, I suspect the "Dec 31" are in 1969 and the time was zero seconds |past the Unix epoch, viewed offset by a negative timezone. Ah, i see! ?0[steffen@wales nail.git]$ >> MTA: /usr/sbin/sendmail, arguments: sendmail -i -- h@a s-nail: >>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500 s-nail: >>> To: h@a s-nail: >>> Subject: test s-nail: >>> User-Agent: s-nail v14.8.10-364-g4492d1c s-nail: >>> An Apple a day keeps the Doctor away! --steffen -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
How do you post correctly. Explain top posting so I can avoid doing it. Donald Mugnai 1 Watermill Place Unit 124 Arlington MA 02476 donaldmug...@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > Hey. > > Please don't top-post on this list, it is really something ugly to > do, imho. That would be nice. If you really want to include the > entire message you respond to, you could set the internal S-nail > variable *quote-as-attachment*, for example. ^.^ > > Donald Mugnai wrote: > |How do you "configure the way the headline is displayed with the > variable \ > |of the same name[1]" In the s-nail.rc file? All I want to get is a > correct > |timestamp for my messages instead of Dec 31. Is this a configuration \ > |issue? If so, what do you configure? What is name[1]? Thanks > > Weeell, after all i mean that if you read the manual ("$ man mail" > or "$ man s-nail") at least a bit you would know about s-nail and > settings -- i think "A starter" should be sufficient for this, as > it "already bends those standard settings a bit towards more user > friendliness and safety" in s-nail.rc. And if you look in > s-nail.rc then you see comments and the `set' command and how it > sets variables. > > This makes me think that my words "if you actually set the > datefield variable the Date: message header is used" should give > you the right hint, and i have shown the complete command in my > second response. > Baby belly, baby belly. Maybe the wording could be even simpler, > and in the other window i have added some more explicit `set' > references (as opposed to the plain word "Set"/"set") already in > the Options section of the manual, but in general i think the > wording hurdles are almost as low as they can get. > > For example, on Monday i made a bicycle tour and came along > a pasture where a cow just had given birth to a young son, just > a few seconds ago. She was licking him dry etc. So i stood there > for the quarter of an hour until he stood up the first time. But > no.. actually not. He fell pretty fast, and the mother looked > at me somewhat enraged when i left the scene. Actually i just > drove to the other end of the pasture to say hello to the rest > of the flock, and saw from there his first real standing. > So i had to get back to this yesterday, and this young man > actually had a real trauma! and ran, just two days old!, to > overcome that i left when he was still lying!! I really hope we > did that fantastic boy! He's right! Yeah!! > > So you are saying i should offer wording for humans which have an > intellectual capacity of less than a 20 minutes to 48 hours old > young bull? No, no i don't think i will do that. > > --steffen > -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
Hi Donald, BTW, I suspect the "Dec 31" are in 1969 and the time was zero seconds past the Unix epoch, viewed offset by a negative timezone. -- Cheers, Ralph. https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
Hi Donald, > > How do you "configure the way the headline is displayed with the > > variable of the same name[1]" In the s-nail.rc file? All I want to > > get is a correct timestamp for my messages instead of Dec 31. Does this help? $ mail mail version v14.8.10. Type ? for help. "/var/spool/mail/ralph": 3 messages 3 unread >U 1 Ralph Corderoy Thu Sep 15 15:03 14/471 U 2 Ralph Corderoy Thu Sep 15 15:03 14/471 U 3 Ralph Corderoy Thu Sep 15 15:03 14/471 ? set datefield='%Y-%m-%d %T %z %a' ? set headline='%>%a%m %-18f %29d %4l/%-5o %i%-s' ? h >U 1 Ralph Corderoy 2016-09-15 15:03:25 +0100 Thu 14/471 U 2 Ralph Corderoy 2016-09-15 15:03:27 +0100 Thu 14/471 U 3 Ralph Corderoy 2016-09-15 15:03:28 +0100 Thu 14/471 headline needed altering to use a wider width for %d else datefield's conversion was truncated. -- Cheers, Ralph. https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
Hey. Please don't top-post on this list, it is really something ugly to do, imho. That would be nice. If you really want to include the entire message you respond to, you could set the internal S-nail variable *quote-as-attachment*, for example. ^.^ Donald Mugnai wrote: |How do you "configure the way the headline is displayed with the variable \ |of the same name[1]" In the s-nail.rc file? All I want to get is a correct |timestamp for my messages instead of Dec 31. Is this a configuration \ |issue? If so, what do you configure? What is name[1]? Thanks Weeell, after all i mean that if you read the manual ("$ man mail" or "$ man s-nail") at least a bit you would know about s-nail and settings -- i think "A starter" should be sufficient for this, as it "already bends those standard settings a bit towards more user friendliness and safety" in s-nail.rc. And if you look in s-nail.rc then you see comments and the `set' command and how it sets variables. This makes me think that my words "if you actually set the datefield variable the Date: message header is used" should give you the right hint, and i have shown the complete command in my second response. Baby belly, baby belly. Maybe the wording could be even simpler, and in the other window i have added some more explicit `set' references (as opposed to the plain word "Set"/"set") already in the Options section of the manual, but in general i think the wording hurdles are almost as low as they can get. For example, on Monday i made a bicycle tour and came along a pasture where a cow just had given birth to a young son, just a few seconds ago. She was licking him dry etc. So i stood there for the quarter of an hour until he stood up the first time. But no.. actually not. He fell pretty fast, and the mother looked at me somewhat enraged when i left the scene. Actually i just drove to the other end of the pasture to say hello to the rest of the flock, and saw from there his first real standing. So i had to get back to this yesterday, and this young man actually had a real trauma! and ran, just two days old!, to overcome that i left when he was still lying!! I really hope we did that fantastic boy! He's right! Yeah!! So you are saying i should offer wording for humans which have an intellectual capacity of less than a 20 minutes to 48 hours old young bull? No, no i don't think i will do that. --steffen -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Donald Mugnai donaldmugnai-at-gmail.com |s-nail| wrote: > How do you "configure the way the headline is displayed with the variable > of the same name[1]" In the s-nail.rc file? All I want to get is a correct > timestamp for my messages instead of Dec 31. Is this a configuration > issue? If so, what do you configure? What is name[1]? Thanks Try putting the line set datefield in your .mailrc file. Stephen Isard -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
Steffen, How do you "configure the way the headline is displayed with the variable of the same name[1]" In the s-nail.rc file? All I want to get is a correct timestamp for my messages instead of Dec 31. Is this a configuration issue? If so, what do you configure? What is name[1]? Thanks Donald Mugnai 1 Watermill Place Unit 124 Arlington MA 02476 donaldmug...@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > Donald Mugnai wrote: > |Thanks for your reply. > | > |I could not find the newest release at the url that you indicated. \ > |It is an invalid link. > > Hm? This was a sh(1)ell glob, please just copy > > https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar{,.{asc,gz,xz}} > > onto your bash(1) or ksh(1) command line, prefixed by echo, and it > will be expanded to four different URLs. > > ?0[steffen@wales nail.git]$ echo \ > https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar{,.{asc,gz,xz}} > https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar > https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar.asc > https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar.gz > https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar.xz > > But it could be that this software is not for you. > > |As for your question all the timestamp says is Dec 31. No year. > > Ok, you can configure the way the headline is displayed with the > variable of the same name[1], and the date display via > datefield[2]. By default the date that is in the so-called From_ > line of a message is displayed here, but if you actually set the > datefield variable the Date: message header is used for this > purpose. You can use the `Show' command[3] to see the complete > message, or use Stephen's suggestion to see the From_ line. > > [1] https://www.sdaoden.eu/code-nail.html#382 > [2] https://www.sdaoden.eu/code-nail.html#367 > [3] https://www.sdaoden.eu/code-nail.html#182 > > |Is this a bug in s-nail? > > Almost definetely not. > Ciao. > > --steffen > -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
i wrote: |Donald Mugnai wrote: ||As for your question all the timestamp says is Dec 31. No year. | |Ok, you can configure the way the headline is displayed with the |variable of the same name[1], and the date display via |datefield[2]. By default the date that is in the so-called From_ |line of a message is displayed here, but if you actually set the |datefield variable the Date: message header is used for this |purpose. You can use the `Show' command[3] to see the complete |message, or use Stephen's suggestion to see the From_ line. That is to say, the From_ line is a property of the MBOX database message format, it tracks the sender of the message and the time the message was received locally. The Maildir format stores the receiving time as part of the filename instead. Etc. So by default you do see the date and time the message was locally received / stored, rather than the date and time that the message has been sent. This is often surprising, i personally always have used *datefield* (as in "set datefield='%R %Y-%m-%d'") due to this. Ciao! --steffen -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
Donald Mugnai wrote: |Thanks for your reply. | |I could not find the newest release at the url that you indicated. \ |It is an invalid link. Hm? This was a sh(1)ell glob, please just copy https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar{,.{asc,gz,xz}} onto your bash(1) or ksh(1) command line, prefixed by echo, and it will be expanded to four different URLs. ?0[steffen@wales nail.git]$ echo \ https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar{,.{asc,gz,xz}} https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar.asc https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar.gz https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar.xz But it could be that this software is not for you. |As for your question all the timestamp says is Dec 31. No year. Ok, you can configure the way the headline is displayed with the variable of the same name[1], and the date display via datefield[2]. By default the date that is in the so-called From_ line of a message is displayed here, but if you actually set the datefield variable the Date: message header is used for this purpose. You can use the `Show' command[3] to see the complete message, or use Stephen's suggestion to see the From_ line. [1] https://www.sdaoden.eu/code-nail.html#382 [2] https://www.sdaoden.eu/code-nail.html#367 [3] https://www.sdaoden.eu/code-nail.html#182 |Is this a bug in s-nail? Almost definetely not. Ciao. --steffen -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
Thanks for your reply. I could not find the newest release at the url that you indicated. It is an invalid link. As for your question all the timestamp says is Dec 31. No year. Is this a bug in s-nail? Donald Mugnai 1 Watermill Place Unit 124 Arlington MA 02476 donaldmug...@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 6:31 AM, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > Hello Donald. Welcome. > > I am a bit late, as i wanted to get the most of the last three > days of summer in Germany, the last being, well, today. > > Donald Mugnai wrote: > |The timestamp on all my mail messages is Dec 31 however system time \ > |is correct. What do I need to change? Is this a s-nail bug? > | > |don@don-VGN-NS240E:~$ mail > |s-nail version v14.8.6. Type ? for help. > > Pretty old and, fwiw, this is the last version that has been > released at Sourceforge.net? The newest release balls are here: > > https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar{,.{asc,gz,xz}} > > Just in case... > > |"/home/don/Maildir": 3 messages 1 new > | O 1 DonWed Dec 31 19:00 14/450 test \ > > Hm. Oh, i really hope i can release v14.9 earlier than that? > I will "release" the preview-1 today (or tomorrow), and that has > support for reproducable builds, so you can get there: > > ?0[steffen@wales nail.git]$ SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH=1420052400 TZ=UTC \ > s-nail -:/ -ds test hey@you > s-nail: >>> MTA: /usr/sbin/sendmail, arguments: sendmail -i -- hey@you > s-nail: >>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 19:00:00 + > s-nail: >>> To: hey@you > s-nail: >>> Subject: test > s-nail: >>> User-Agent: s-nail v14.8.10-347-g0be4b7a > s-nail: >>> > > 2014? Or 2025? What do you mean by Wednesday, December 31? > Falling short somewhat unenlightened, > ciao from (still sunny) Germany, > > --steffen > -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
Hello Donald. Welcome. I am a bit late, as i wanted to get the most of the last three days of summer in Germany, the last being, well, today. Donald Mugnai wrote: |The timestamp on all my mail messages is Dec 31 however system time \ |is correct. What do I need to change? Is this a s-nail bug? | |don@don-VGN-NS240E:~$ mail |s-nail version v14.8.6. Type ? for help. Pretty old and, fwiw, this is the last version that has been released at Sourceforge.net? The newest release balls are here: https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar{,.{asc,gz,xz}} Just in case... |"/home/don/Maildir": 3 messages 1 new | O 1 DonWed Dec 31 19:00 14/450 test \ Hm. Oh, i really hope i can release v14.9 earlier than that? I will "release" the preview-1 today (or tomorrow), and that has support for reproducable builds, so you can get there: ?0[steffen@wales nail.git]$ >> MTA: /usr/sbin/sendmail, arguments: sendmail -i -- hey@you s-nail: >>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 19:00:00 + s-nail: >>> To: hey@you s-nail: >>> Subject: test s-nail: >>> User-Agent: s-nail v14.8.10-347-g0be4b7a s-nail: >>> 2014? Or 2025? What do you mean by Wednesday, December 31? Falling short somewhat unenlightened, ciao from (still sunny) Germany, --steffen -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016, Donald Mugnai donaldmugnai-at-gmail.com |s-nail| wrote: ... > "/home/don/Maildir": 3 messages 1 new > O 1 DonWed Dec 31 19:00 14/450 test > O 2 DonWed Dec 31 19:00 15/501 NewTest >> N 3 DonWed Dec 31 19:00 14/469 test with donmail ... What does the command grep "^From " /home/don/Maildir give you? Stephen Isard -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
The timestamp on all my mail messages is Dec 31 however system time is correct. What do I need to change? Is this a s-nail bug? don@don-VGN-NS240E:~$ mail s-nail version v14.8.6. Type ? for help. "/home/don/Maildir": 3 messages 1 new O 1 DonWed Dec 31 19:00 14/450 test O 2 DonWed Dec 31 19:00 15/501 NewTest >N 3 DonWed Dec 31 19:00 14/469 test with donmail ? q Donald Mugnai 1 Watermill Place Unit 124 Arlington MA 02476 donaldmug...@gmail.com On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi Donald, > > > See my other email for a printout. > > Us other list members don't have access to what you sent back to the > list before. If you still have the original, please forward the text to > the list. > > Cheers, Ralph. > -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31
Hi Donald, > See my other email for a printout. Us other list members don't have access to what you sent back to the list before. If you still have the original, please forward the text to the list. Cheers, Ralph. -- __ S-nail-users@lists.sourceforge.net