[sage-devel] Re: a sage bug

2015-07-12 Thread Ralf Stephan
On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 2:34:56 PM UTC+2, Stein William wrote:
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: ruiming zhang ruimin...@outlook.com
 Date: Sunday, July 12, 2015
 Subject: a sage bug
 To: wst...@math.washington.edu
 
 ...
 e=x+1=x-2
 e*(-1)
 -x-1=-x+2,

This is known and has a fix. Only the review is missing.

If someone wants to review the fix, please see this ticket:
http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/7660

Regards,

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: OpenDreamKit question

2015-07-12 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 05:46:05AM -0700, Volker Braun wrote:
 Just to spell out the obvious, software engineers are actually
 sought-after by industry (unlike mathematicians, let's face it). If
 you want to hire a top-notch engineer who's in it for the money then
 you'll have to pay a good deal more than the average math prof
 salary.

Indeed. That's been one of our main concern from the beginning. We
have pushed the knob as far as we could in term of salary w.r.t. the
usual rate for research engineers in public universities. We will
see how it goes. At least we did get some strong applications!

Cheers,
Nicolas
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Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years

2015-07-12 Thread Nathann Cohen
 We, European devs, have benefited from NSF funding for Sage in
 numerous occasions (Sage days, visits, ...) when we had no funding
 here.

You are speaking in your own name only. You are not the Europeans
Devs, are are not entitled to speak in their name.

Nathann

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Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years

2015-07-12 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 04:44:20PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 10:17 AM, William Stein [1]wst...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
Anyway, for me personally and SageMathCloud development, and also
support of Sage development at UW, this is a major blow.
 
All I can say is that I'm very bummed to hear this... I always admired
your success in securing resources for Sage (with a bit of envy :) when
I wasn't able to do so for IPython, and I only wish that today we could
have resources for *both*.
I tried to learn a lot from watching everything you did with looking
for resources for Sage, and FWIW, I also haven't had great luck with
the federal agencies.  My only success with the NSF has been with stuff
that's only tangentially related to ipython/scipy, whereas grants where
i went head first into the software (even solicitations that were
software infrastructure didn't fare so well).
This is a cautionary note that, even though IPython and ODK are doing
OK right now, the next cycle may well look very different for us too...
Grant funding is a fickle business, which is why I continue wishing SMC
sustained commercial success, so that it can have actual *revenue* to
invest in Sage itself for the long haul.
The question of how to fund our work in a sustainable fashion for the
really long haul, as our teams get larger (and thus more expensive)
keeps me up at night...
All I can say at this point is that I hope the work we'll do on
Jupyter, and indirectly with our colleagues at ODK (we'll have some of
the Jupyter folks there too) will continue providing benefits to Sage!

+1 to each and every item above.

We, European devs, have benefited from NSF funding for Sage in
numerous occasions (Sage days, visits, ...) when we had no funding
here. We will do our best to reciprocate this with ODK.

For the longer run, a strategy I will explore in depth will be to try
to secure some *permanent* full time dev position(s), typically at
LRI. I have no clue of the odds though, so don't hold your breath.

Cheers,
Nicolas
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: a sage bug

2015-07-12 Thread William Stein
Thanks Ralf!

By the way, does anybody know what the deal is with: Please forgive
me to send it to you for I am in China and have a problem to access
Google groups.

Do most people in China really not have access to Google groups?  If
so, that's a very good reason for us to consider at least some sort of
alternative way to access the groups.

 -- William

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Ralf Stephan gtrw...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 2:34:56 PM UTC+2, Stein William wrote:
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: ruiming zhang ruimin...@outlook.com
 Date: Sunday, July 12, 2015
 Subject: a sage bug
 To: wst...@math.washington.edu

 ...
 e=x+1=x-2
 e*(-1)
 -x-1=-x+2,

 This is known and has a fix. Only the review is missing.

 If someone wants to review the fix, please see this ticket:
 http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/7660

 Regards,

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Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years

2015-07-12 Thread kcrisman


  We, European devs, have benefited from NSF funding for Sage in 
  numerous occasions (Sage days, visits, ...) when we had no funding 
  here. 

 You are speaking in your own name only. You are not the Europeans 
 Devs, are are not entitled to speak in their name. 


Indeed.  However, presumably Nicolas intended to convey that since he is 
part of the we of all European devs, and since it is very true that many 
European devs (including ones with no connection whatsoever to 
sage-combinat or graphs or any of that) have benefited from NSF in such 
ways, the statement is still true.  Perhaps it could have been worded in a 
way to make it very clear that he did not intend to speak for all of them, 
though again I doubt that was the intent.  Happy week! 

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: a sage bug

2015-07-12 Thread David Roe
 By the way, does anybody know what the deal is with: Please forgive
 me to send it to you for I am in China and have a problem to access
 Google groups.

 Do most people in China really not have access to Google groups?  If
 so, that's a very good reason for us to consider at least some sort of
 alternative way to access the groups.

Yes, google groups are blocked by the Great Firewall.
David

  -- William

 On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Ralf Stephan gtrw...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 2:34:56 PM UTC+2, Stein William wrote:
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: ruiming zhang ruimin...@outlook.com
 Date: Sunday, July 12, 2015
 Subject: a sage bug
 To: wst...@math.washington.edu

 ...
 e=x+1=x-2
 e*(-1)
 -x-1=-x+2,

 This is known and has a fix. Only the review is missing.

 If someone wants to review the fix, please see this ticket:
 http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/7660

 Regards,

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[sage-devel] Patchbot server down

2015-07-12 Thread Jeroen Demeyer

http://patchbot.sagemath.org/
gives me
503 Service Unavailable

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Re: [sage-devel] Server Relocation

2015-07-12 Thread Jeroen Demeyer

On 2015-07-12 03:40, R. Andrew Ohana wrote:

In addition, boxen.math.washington.edu
http://boxen.math.washington.edu will finally be going offline, and
due to lack of space won't be coming back (at least for now).


Important question: what will happen with the data currently stored on 
boxen? Will you transfer it to the new machine?


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