Re: [sage-devel] Sage Usage Survey (sage-devel@googlegroups.com)

2012-12-27 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/12/27 Jan Groenewald (Google Drive) 

> Click From > Show Summary to see the results in pie charts.


Actually, I can't find that option.

Maybe is it a poll only option which you can activate when you administer
the poll? In that case, visitors viewing the spreadsheet will not see it.

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Re: [sage-devel] Sage 5.5 released

2012-12-26 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/12/26 Jeroen Demeyer 

> * We closed 92 tickets in this release. For details, see


Awesome, I'm going to download it right now.

Too bad nobody wanted to review this trivial bugfix:
http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13649

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[sage-devel] Review ticket #13649

2012-12-23 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Hi,

is anybody willing to review
#13649<http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13649>?
It consists of implementing two/three new methods which are actually
aliases for existing methods, so it's quite easy to check if it's correct
or not.

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Re: [sage-devel] How to update prereq spkg/script

2012-12-19 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/12/18 kcrisman 

> if [ -a "/standard/path/to/Cygwin/lib/or/program.dll" ] ; then
>
> with a whole bunch of "ands"?  Or is there some better way to do this?
>

Wouldn't it be a lot better to use e.g. "which make" and see if you get a
path, then do e.g. "make -v" to read the version number?

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Re: [sage-devel] Who renders TeX?

2012-12-15 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
AFAIK mathjax is a kind of evolution of jsmath.

Andrea Lazzarotto
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Re: [sage-devel] Reviewing blockers

2012-12-12 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/12/12 Jeroen Demeyer 

> Please review the remaining blocker tickets for sage-5.5:


If you have some time, you can also review my patches to this ticket:
http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13649

It's not a blocker, it's "major", but I think it's very easy to review it,
also because a lot of you has more experience in this.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: High level architectural design document of Sage

2012-12-10 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/12/2 Volker Braun 

> We have the trac keyword "beginner" basically for that purpose:
>
>
> http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/query?status=needs_info&status=needs_review&status=needs_work&status=new&keywords=~
> beginner
> &col=id&col=summary&col=keywords&col=owner&col=type&col=status&col=priority&order=priority


Thank you for the pointer.

I went on and added my very very very first trivial (I would say
embarrassingly simple) contribution:
http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13649

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-12-04 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/12/4 Jan Groenewald 

> I have now used UCK to make a "Live CD" which has sagemath-upstream-binary
> from the PPA.
> It is also Ubuntu 12.04.1 with a dist-upgrade up to the latest versions,
> and a few other packages
> I like (it is debatable what can be included here). It is a 1.6G ISO which
> can be written to a USB stick.
> It is fairly trivial to add languages, developer tools, rstudio, texmaker,
> etc.
>

That's great! :)


> I'd suggest a large system for generic use, to not duplicate effort:
> texmaker, scipy, many python
> libraries, R, rstudio, sysadm tools, dev tools, sage, some graphics apps,
> and general utilities, including
> English, French, Arabic, Amharic, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Italian,
> Polish, German, Romanian,
> Finnish, Swedish language packs for boot and install time.
>

IIRC Sage can install links to its versions of some binaries, so you can
avoid duplicating them.


> (My only concern is how to get the codecs on afterwards. But I can put an
> installer in place to add those.
> I think a laptop should be able to play MP3s and DVDs. But I could add
> install-restricted-extras, for example,
> which will require network. We can also pre-enable the medibuntu repistory
> so that installation is easy.)
>

I suggest you don't install restricted-extras because it brings some
nonfree components. You can check out my tutorial for libre-only codecs
(sorry, it's in Italian):
http://andrealazzarotto.com/2010/11/01/guida-installare-i-codec-su-ubuntu-per-riprodurre-tutti-i-file-multimediali-e-i-dvd/

If you need some tips about tweaking the ISO, just drop me a line and I
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: High level architectural design document of Sage

2012-12-02 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/12/2 Simon King 

> I think, you as a computer scientist should be aware that one hardly
> ever needs to take into account 5 million lines of code (that's about
> the size of Sage) in order to understand and contribute to one aspect
> of the system.
>

Ok but the point is that the entire structure of Sage is built keeping in
mind that everybody is a mathematician and knows how the thing works. It's
not about the 5 million lines (which is huge stuff if you face it for the
first time). It's about the math.

Don't laugh too much but I don't even know what a polynomial ring is. :D

IMHO there should be (or maybe I didn't find it) a "*list of 20 minutes
bugs nobody wants to fix because they're boring but really you can fix them
in less than half an hour if you want to start with something easy*" thing
on the website. :P

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: High level architectural design document of Sage

2012-12-02 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/12/1 Volker Braun 

> Inheritance tree:
>
> sage: class_graph(Integer).plot()
>

This thing just got me to think I have to study the whole mathematics
before even trying to contribute to Sage... o.O

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Re: [sage-devel] License issues if linking Mathematica and Sage

2012-11-30 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/30 David Kirkby 

> Sage is an open-source mathematical package released under the GPL
>

I forgot one thing: FSF will kill all of your family if you use the term
"open source". IMHO you should use "free software" so they're happy.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: License issues if linking Mathematica and Sage

2012-11-30 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/30 kcrisman 

> I guess I don't see the point.  Are we really thinking Wolfram would want
> to do that?


I agree. Also, probably the FSF doesn't care a lot about this because
basically they exclude the possibility of existence of any nonfree
software...

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: mathematica 9

2012-11-29 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/29 rjf 

> I'm not sure what it is a sign of, if you think that Mathematica is
> copying Sage.


It's a sign of the clear fact that FLOSS is awesome and Sage is simply
great. They just can't ignore this. :)

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: mathematica 9

2012-11-29 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/29 Jason Grout 

> Why can't you use urllib2, which is built into Python (and hence comes
> with Sage)?
>
> http://docs.python.org/2/**howto/urllib2.html<http://docs.python.org/2/howto/urllib2.html>
>

Because... erhm... I didn't know about that. :P

Thank you for giving me the link. Actually I don't have particular plans to
parse web content with Sage, but Iwill remember this for the future.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: mathematica 9

2012-11-29 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
JesusTorrado, then I apologize for that. Thanks for clarifying. :-)

Andrea Lazzarotto
(inviato da Android)
Il giorno 29/nov/2012 14:28, "JesusTorrado"  ha scritto:

>
>
> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:11:03 PM UTC+1, Andrea Lazzarotto wrote:
>>
>> 2012/11/29 JesusTorrado 
>>
>>> There is no such in Sage, is there?
>>
>>
>> So? What does it have to do with the fact that R is unbeatable about
>> statistics?
>
>
> Nothing, just highlighting another new feature of Mathematica 9 that I
> would like to have in Sage.
>
>
>> And it doesn't have to do with the fact that open source is better in
>> general for a lot of well-known reasons (both technical and not technical).
>>
>
> Totally agreed.
>
>
>> They also have a URLFetch thing, which Sage doesn't still have. This
>> doesn't mean it can't be added in the future (in the latter case, just by
>> including cURL).
>>
>
> I know, I know. I have the feeling that my email was missunderstood.
>
> Cheers,
> Jesús Torrado
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: mathematica 9

2012-11-29 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/29 Timo Kluck 

> This is an interesting development from a licensing perspective, though. R
> is distributed under the GPL, not the LGPL, so they definitely can't be
> using a shared library interface to hook into it.


They could just call a different executable with a script that intercepts
the output and then parses it. Also, the R environment is not included,
those "smart guys" did the trick to download it upon user request, so
*unfortunately* the GPL is not violated.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: mathematica 9

2012-11-29 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/29 JesusTorrado 

> There is no such in Sage, is there?


So? What does it have to do with the fact that R is unbeatable about
statistics? And it doesn't have to do with the fact that open source is
better in general for a lot of well-known reasons (both technical and not
technical).

They also have a URLFetch thing, which Sage doesn't still have. This
doesn't mean it can't be added in the future (in the latter case, just by
including cURL).

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: mathematica 9

2012-11-29 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/29 mhampton 

> "So in Mathematica 9, one thing we’ve added is built-in integration
> with the R statistics language." -- that's interesting.  I think R has
> really won in the realm of advanced statistics.  You just can't
> compete with it, you have to integrate it.
>

Open source is the future, they have no chance.

BTW the fact they also started to copy Sage features (such as R
integration) is a clear signal.

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Re: [sage-devel] upgrading sage while working on patches

2012-11-24 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/24 Charles Bouillaguet 

> I just tried to upgrade from 5.4 to 5.4.1, and it worked.
>

Good for you. :P I personally broke it as almost every time I tried to
upgrade.


> It would probably be safer to check if there are local change to the sage
> library repos before applying the upgrade, and the upgrade process should
> complain if it is the case…
>

IIRC when I tried to upgrade to a rc, it complained about mercurial...

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: assuming 'integer' can change results of limit from 3 to +oo? (possible bug?)

2012-11-23 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
There is also another not-so-nice bug about limits.

sage: limit(sin(x),x = +oo) + limit(1/x, x = +oo)
ind # ok, fine...
sage: limit(sin(x)+1/x, x = +oo)
0 # Wait! What??? o.O
sage:


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Re: [sage-devel] Running sage on ubuntu server VM under W8

2012-11-22 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/22 MartinX 

> why am I getting /usr/bin.xdg-open  not found  and do I need to do
> anything
>

Because the Sage Notebook automatically tries to fire up a graphical
browser (which I bet you don't have on Ubuntu Server) with an auth token.


> 2.  why is the SSL session being rejected and do I need to do anything.
>

Probably because the SSL certificate is not signed by an authority
recognized by Firefox... But do you really need to use SSL working on your
own local machine?

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Re: [sage-devel] Sage-5.4 virtual appliance

2012-11-22 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/22 Volker Braun 

> If you want to help *you can just* fix the bug in the notebook


You're doing a very strong assertion here.

sage: assert("Andrea Lazzarotto is a senior super skilled Python programmer
which knows a lot about the Sage source code")
---
AssertionErrorTraceback (most recent call last)

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Re: [sage-devel] Sage-5.4 virtual appliance

2012-11-22 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
I tried the new VM, it works well, except for a few things:

   - it would be nice to have some way for changing the keyboard layout for
   "the rest of us" who don't live in the US :P
   - Chrome complains about the IcedTea plugin being out of date

2012/11/21 Volker Braun 

> Google's v8 consistently beats other implementations by a wide margin.


I'm not really sure there is such a great difference, especially in a
"somehow limited" environment such a VM, but OK I was just curious.

I have nothing against Chrome, but IMHO since Sage is a strongly FLOSS
oriented project, we should warn users that they're about to download and
use a proprietary browser if they use the virtual machine. Just for the
sake of clarity.

Anyway, if there's any way I can help to replace Chrome with Chromium in
the VM I'm glad to "get my hands dirty". ;)

BTW for the issue about being unable to use the host browser, isn't there
any way to read the provided token that Sage outputs on the screen? Then
maybe we could be able to alert the user with a message, or even better set
up a mini web server with a PHP page, say [VM-IP]/access-sage.php that then
could redirect the user to the localhost of the VM with the correct access
token. What do you think about this idea?

Or maybe there is a way to trick SageNb and generate always the same access
token.

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Re: [sage-devel] Sage-5.4 virtual appliance

2012-11-21 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/21 Volker Braun 

> I've just posted a new VM. As I wrote in the other thread, the new VM
> doesn't isolate the gui user from the Sage server any more so automatic
> login works inside the VM.
>

Sorry, I don't understand "the other thread" you are referring to. Is it in
this mailing list or in another one? I'm not subscribed to all Sage related
lists ATM. I looked at the *Index Of* in your URL and saw the new date. I
will download it immediately. :)


> Chromium isn't in Fedora
>

OMG. o.O
By the way, I just *DuckDuckGo*-ed a bit and found that there is an
unofficial repository: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chromium
I know, using completely open source software may not be the priority, but
it can be nice. :)


> Javascript performance is pretty important for the Sage notebook, which is
> why I prefer it in the VM.
>

Does it mean Firefox is slower with that? What about e.g. Midori? AFAIK it
uses Webkit too.

Thank you for your answer and excuse me for not finding the other thread.

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Re: [sage-devel] Sage-5.4 virtual appliance

2012-11-21 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/13 Volker Braun 

> I don't have the bandwidth right now to try it myself, but the VM build
> script ran fine. The adventurous can find the virtual machine image here:
>

For me it's broken. Basically, if I run it I see it loops a lot and the GUI
doesn't start. But if I switch to a tty I can login with the various users.


> I'm also pretty sure that automatic login to the notebook is still broken,
> requiring you to make a notebook account in the VM first before you can use
> it
>

I don't understand the problem. You say "This is not an option for the
virtual machine, you can't start a host browser from within the VM." But
actually, if you correctly set the XDG variables correctly, sage
-notebookwill automatically start the browser for you. It will be even
simpler
because you don't need to have two different users... I can have a look if
you help me to solve the looping issue.

Also, can you clarify why you're running Chrome in the VM? It's not even
open source.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Matplotlib Show() on Sage command line on Mac OS X

2012-11-19 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/19 Eric Verner 

> If Sage could create interactive figures that were similar to Matlab
> figures


I don't know about Matlab figures, but with the Sage Notebook you can have
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Ascii Output

2012-11-17 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/17 Keshav Kini 

> Sympy does this::
>
> sage: from sympy import sympify, pprint
> sage: pprint(sympify(sqrt(3)))
>

I just tried also with a more "fancy" example:
pprint(sympify(sqrt(3)*1/(2^e)))

That's great. :D

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-15 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/14 Jason Grout 

> I'm curious: how does the software selection compare to, for example,
> mathbuntu (http://www.mathbuntu.org/), particularly the math packages?
>

I just tried, that distro does NOT contain Sage, just a link to the Sage
Notebook.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-15 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/15 parisse 

> But perhaps I'm wrong and you also spread the word that some good
> open-source math softwares run on say Windows XP (or even Windows 98).


But then why should developing countries use an old, buggy and proprietary
software when they can get for free modern, top class open source operating
systems? :)

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-13 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Thierry, I find your message to be great in all parts, but I would like to
point out a thing...

2012/11/13 Thierry 

> bios not able to boot on USB


Again, this is not a big problem. :P You can build a CD or even a floppy
disk with PLOP boot manager and even boot a Pentium II from USB. :D I did
this a lot of times. Yes, to be honest it's not free software, it's just a
freeware tool... but better than nothing. :)

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Re: [sage-devel] Ascii Output

2012-11-12 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/12 Andreas Ruscheinski 

> is there any method which gives me an Ascii output for a
> mathematical-express like sqrt(x)?


This one looks nice:
http://asciitex.sourceforge.net/

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Re: [sage-devel] Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-12 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/12 Jan Groenewald 

> The 4G limit: http://www.remastersys.com/ubuntu.html see the section
> titled "The 4GB limit explained - not a remastersys limitation".
>

I see. Well, maybe there is another way to workaround the issue. After
you've added the required software on the disc, you could use BleachBit and
remove all language files which are not English or any language you wish to
keep. IIRC this could free some hundreds of MB of data from your Ubuntu
system.

Also removing unneeded LaTeX documentation can help.

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Re: [sage-devel] Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-12 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/12 Jan Groenewald 

> Do you know much of it? Does it allow
> 1) to surpass a 4G limit?
>

Do you mean the size of the ISO? I think yes. The distro I made as a
project for my high school graduation stays under 4 GB so I can't confirm
it, but you can check it to see a lot of customizations including software,
themes, the "default home contents" for new users and so on.
http://www.itislinux.it/


> 2) to do a standard install from the ISO, including creating users, it
> simply adds extra packages transparent to the user?
>

Do you mean "pre" creating users or creating a single user following the
standard installation procedure of Ubuntu? For the former, I think yes but
haven't tried, for the latter I can assure you the installation is the
standard Ubuntu way, so you can set up the first user account with the name
that you want.

You can pre-install any software package (or system file for that matter)
and the DVD will contain it, so when you install the system you have what
you need.


> 3) allow adding of new sources.list.d files to the install target easily?
>

Absolutely yes. Apart from allowing you to chroot and then simply use "sudo
add-apt-repository" you can also manually copy a file in that directory.

If you need information about UCK feel free to contact me.

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Re: [sage-devel] Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-12 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/12 Nicolas M. Thiery 

> That's a question for Jan Groenewald :-)


Yes I'm sorry, I didn't look at the conversation list very well!

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Re: [sage-devel] Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-12 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
I don't understand where this quote came from because this is being
cross-posted ( =.= ) through mailing lists, and I don't follow all of them,
but...

2012/11/12 Nicolas M. Thiery 

> > I also hit the problem that Macs don't boot from USB, which IMHO is
> > completely retarded, but that's just life.
>
>
One could simply burn a PLOP boot manager CD and then use it to boot from
USB. The only exception to this would be the Macbook Air without an
external SuperDrive.


BTW Nicolas is there a specific reason you're planning to use the "hackish
and dirty" Remastersys instead of a pure Ubuntu editing tool like UCK?
Results are usually better with it and it's quite easy to customize the
system in every aspect before creating an ISO.

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Re: [sage-devel] Building documentation fails on 5.4-rc2

2012-10-24 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/10/24 Andrea Lazzarotto 

> Is there a way to redo the merge?


Finally I got it. I manually replaced the offending files from:

<<<<<<< local
[line A]
===
[line B]
>>>>>>> other

With just [line B] and it worked. Thank you for pointing me in the right
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Re: [sage-devel] Building documentation fails on 5.4-rc2

2012-10-24 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/10/24 Andrea Lazzarotto 

> Please apology


Sorry, this should have been "I apology". :D

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Re: [sage-devel] Building documentation fails on 5.4-rc2

2012-10-24 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Il giorno 24 ottobre 2012 13:41, Jeroen Demeyer  ha
scritto:

> This looks like a marker from a failed merge.


Probably you're right. I tried to understand what was the problem with
mercurial and I tried the suggested "hg ...something" command for
auto-fixing merging, but probably it didn't work. Is there a way to redo
the merge?

Please apology if I'm missing something, at the beginning I thought it was
sufficient to run a sage -upgrade with the URL. :)

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[sage-devel] Building documentation fails on 5.4-rc2

2012-10-24 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Hi,

I'm trying to upgrade from Sage 5.4 rc0 to rc2.

A lot of stuff compiled fine, but then the installation failed when
building documentation. In particular, when I try to build it I get some
errors like this one:

andrea@farore:~/Scrivania/sage$ ./sage --docbuild --help
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/andrea/Scrivania/sage/devel/sage/doc/common/builder.py", line
12, in 
from sage.misc.misc import sage_makedirs as mkdir
  File
"/home/andrea/Scrivania/sage/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/sage/misc/misc.py",
line 144
<<<<<<< local
 ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
andrea@farore:~/Scrivania/sage$

Also, the interactive session fails with this kind of error:

[...]
/home/andrea/Scrivania/sage/local/bin/ipy_profile_sage.py in ()
  1 import os
  2 if 'SAGE_CLEAN' not in os.environ:
> 3 import sage.misc.misc
  4 from sage.misc.interpreter import preparser, _ip
  5 preparser(True)

SyntaxError: invalid syntax (misc.py, line 144)
Error importing ipy_profile_sage - perhaps you should run %upgrade?
WARNING: Loading of ipy_profile_sage failed.



Is there a way to fix it? Or do I have to download and re-compile the
installation tarball from scratch?

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Re: [sage-devel] Error installing package lapack-20071123.p2

2012-10-17 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Have you installed gfortran?

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Re: [sage-devel] Sage can't find Python on ARM?

2012-10-13 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Wow, Sage on a phone sounds awesome! Can you tell me what are the specs of
your device? I'm just curious. :-)

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: public worksheets

2012-10-09 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/10/9 Jason Grout 

> By the way, I am now removing the tags additionally specified in the
> html5lib library


I tried every attack to which Firefox is vulnerable from
http://html5sec.organd none worked. I tried to exploit the mathjax
script just a bit, I'm not
a security expert.

BTW your cleaning script also strips down all style, including the
"highlighted" text made with the TinyMCE editor.

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Re: [sage-devel] public worksheets

2012-10-07 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/10/4 Jason Grout 

> I've implemented some sanitizing of public worksheets [1] and applied it
> to demo.sagenb.org as a test.  The concerns from before were that
> javascript was executing on the page, leading to malware being on the page.
>

Are you sure you did it?

http://demo.sagenb.org/home/pub/427/

Here is a normal javascript which doesn't get filtered.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: public worksheets

2012-10-06 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/10/6 Rob Beezer 

> Has anybody else been successful testing these changes?


No. Partially because I got those errors too and partially because I'm
waiting to be authorized by Jason to intentionally try to inject some proof
of concept XSS in the public worksheets.

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Re: [sage-devel] public worksheets

2012-10-06 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/10/6 Volker Braun 

> But we use none of that since Jason's patch explicitly removes all style
> tags.


What about style attributes?

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Re: [sage-devel] public worksheets

2012-10-06 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/10/6 William Stein 

> I wonder if there is a way to put malware into a mathjax script tag?
>

Probably yes.

I ask again: Jason, can I try to hack?

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Re: [sage-devel] Please review optional GCC-4.7.2 spkg (#13150)

2012-10-06 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/10/5 Jeroen Demeyer 

> You need to apply the patch from
> http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13515
>
> (or use sage-5.4.rc0)
>

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Re: [sage-devel] public worksheets

2012-10-05 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
By "can people test this" do you mean I am allowed to try to craft an awful
piece of malicious code with injected JS (of course without doing something
too bad)?

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Re: [sage-devel] public worksheets and sage notebook

2012-09-28 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/9/28 Taylor Dupuy 

> What is going on with the public worksheets?
>

AFAIK they have been disabled for spam reasons.


> Are they going to be back up soon?
>

I don't know...

Also, yesterday I went to use the sage notebook in my calculus class the
> page was down. I think if sage is to really be an opensource alternative
> this needs to be up for our students to use.
>

I agree and I experienced this personally, but I understand they're
providing a free service, so if we (as users) want to be sure we should
host our own server. :P

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Re: [sage-devel] Python tutor

2012-09-20 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/9/19 Jan Groenewald 

> I wonder what it takes to replace python with sage here?


IMHO not too much (if I understand correctly, Sage is almost pure python,
apart from a preprocessor). But then I think even a small piece of Sage
code would lead to a lot of instructions to "draw", so not very
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Re: [sage-devel] Modular fibration animated with Sage

2012-09-16 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/9/13 Niles Johnson 

> And here's a link to the video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqeqbjec97w
>

That's amazing!!! :D

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Gmail and Sage's Trac e-mails

2012-09-12 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/9/12 P Purkayastha 

> Yes. I experience this very frequently in my mobile (android) client.


I noticed the same problem but only with a Disqus conversation which in the
past I used to filter (now I don't filter it anymore). Since that
conversation was very annoying, in my case the bug is a good thing. :D

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Gmail and Sage's Trac e-mails

2012-09-12 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
>From the web interface or the mobile client?

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: jmol/sage-5.4beta0/FreeBSD problem

2012-09-12 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/9/12 Stephen Montgomery-Smith 

>
>
>> (Is it OK to top post in this mailing list?)
>>
>>
>> You'll find a variety of opinions.
>>
>
> On the geeky mailing lists I frequent, top posting brings first and fierce
> wrath.
>

When I use the mobile Gmail client I try to always remove the previous
message body, when I am at the PC I like to bottom post.

Anyway, in my opinion, nobody will kill you if sometimes you top post. :)

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Need developer account on OSX 10.4 PPC (or remove from supported platforms)

2012-09-04 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/9/4 Nils Bruin 

> Essentially, ssh already comes with all the tools for a DIY VPN.


That's right, if you only need a port that's the easiest way.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Need developer account on OSX 10.4 PPC (or remove from supported platforms)

2012-09-04 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/9/4 William Stein 

> One advantage of tinc over
> Hamachi is that tinc is 100% open source and there is no centralized
> server.
>

+1 on the open source argument.

I didn't know about tinc, thank you for linking it. :)

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Need developer account on OSX 10.4 PPC (or remove from supported platforms)

2012-09-04 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/9/4 kcrisman 

> I should have said, "I don't know what that is, nor how to use it nor to
> set it up."


There are different methods. AFAIK Hamachi provides a good solution without
painful configuration files:
http://www.davinciplanet.com/create-your-own-vpn-using-hamachi/

If you need help to set it up I think I can assist you.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Need developer account on OSX 10.4 PPC (or remove from supported platforms)

2012-09-04 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/9/4 kcrisman 

>
> I don't know what that is.
>

A VPN is an encrypted connection used to creare a virtual LAN. In this way,
someone can access the OS X machine like it was in the same LAN, but other
people who don't have credentials cannot connect to it.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Need developer account on OSX 10.4 PPC (or remove from supported platforms)

2012-09-04 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/9/4 kcrisman 

> I have another computer at home which could function similarly, but I
> don't think I'll be able to figure out how to do it behind the Verizon
> firewall.


What about a "simple" VPN?

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Re: [sage-devel] Virtual machines -- I'm curious...

2012-08-28 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Me too for the Ubuntu family, but probably I can learn in half an hour to
be useful also on Fedora and OpenSuSE.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: sagemath cluster

2012-08-24 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/8/24 Dima Pasechnik 

> there are OpenID providers which are perhaps easier to deal with, e.g.
> wordpress.com would happily give
> you an  OpenID good enough to work with sagenb.org
>

You're right, my point is that with 20+ students in a room it can be time
consuming to get 'em to sign up to another website before registering on
sagenb (and also confusing).

2012/8/24 William Stein 

> I've modified it so it is now a LaunchRock.com page.  Check it out:
>
>   http://salv.us/
>

Great! :) Just a small "bug": when I click the tweet button I don't see a
suggested message, instead I get "Imagine what someone else would want to
tweet about signing up for your project". Maybe you could insert a
pre-formatted sentence with an hashtag for greater spread of the
information. Anyway I'm tweeting about it right now. :)

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: sagemath cluster

2012-08-22 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/8/22 William Stein 

> If the notebook had integrated password reset
> functionality, then we could turn non-openid accounts back on.
>

I don't know Python apart from a few constructs such for and so on because
I learnt by using Sage, and the Notebook code is quite vast, so I don't
exactly know how to help in this. I hope I will have a deeper look soon.
IMHO if the standard login method is disabled, the login form with the
"username + password" fields should not be shown.

It was indeed
> surprisingly painful!!   In order to create a gmail account, one
> evidently needs a cell phone.


In our case the mobile field was not mandatory. I'm sure of at least a girl
who signed up without using her mobile number.


> I found with 27 students, that the Sage notebook server couldn't
> handle their simultaneous load (combined with all other usage in the
> world), unfortunately.  I setup a separate server for them on a
> different computer, and then it easily handled all of them at once.
>

I tried to start a server on my laptop after uncompressing the lzma archive
I had in my hard drive but the network of the school was a mess and didn't
found a way to connect to it.


> At the end of the 2 week camp the students really appreciated learning
> Sage and loved it (according to feedback).  One missing feature they
> would have loved is an integrated chat system, e.g., we did public key
> crypto and a chatroom would have been helpful -- we did end up using
> the sagemath irc room, but irc doesn't have good math support.


"my" students gave me a positive feedback in general even if there were
those technical problems, so I think Sage is quite amazing if you show it
in a good way (I personally simply had to translate/adapt the tutorial of
"Learning Sage" by Paul Lutus, it's very good).

I have to admit when I saw Sage at first in high school (3 years ago) I was
scared by the web interface... but now that I tried it again it felt quite
easy. I don't really know what has changed for me. :)

I totally agree with the chat system, but IMHO for that to work you would
also need to setup user "groups", something like Facebook has. What do you
think about that?


> > XD BTW it doesn't matter, the important thing is that the damage is
> > recoverable. Thank you very much for all the effort you use to keep the
> > things up and running. :-)
>
> I think the *.sagenb.org should have been unaffected by the power
> issue today, since we set them up to run directly off a dedicated SSD;
> they only use the NFS fileserver for rsync backups.  Also, the server
> that runs the notebook servers didn't go down.
>

Sorry, my sentence was not very clear. I meant that at the beginning I used
the cell server to avoid students to register to Gmail, but this worked
only for the first lesson (until about 16:30 italian time). After that, the
cell server stopped responding (the GUI was there, but it kept trying to
load answers). So I had to go back to SageNB which worked as expected.


>
> Incidentally, I've been investing in setting this up recently:
> http://salv.us
> So far I've written very little notebook-style code, but I've done a
> lot of work on basic scalable infrastructure.


Yes, I'm looking forward to see it. As I wrote in another email IMHO you
should add a LaunchRock.com page (it should take a few minutes only) so you
have a opt-in email service and interested people can receive an instant
notification when it's ready. ;)


> The initial release

will probably be like a very stripped down version of
> http://aleph.sagemath.org, but much more "highly available" and able
> to handle a lot more simultaneous connections, but there will be
> another version shortly thereafter with support for persistent
> sessions.


That sounds very very very interesting!

BTW if you happen to need some graphical work just ping me, I am a CS
student and I can program in 4-5 languages but strangely I feel more
confident with GIMP and Inkscape (and also HTML/CSS) sometimes.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: sagemath cluster

2012-08-22 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
I noticed this today. I was presenting Sage in a lab at a math camp with
high school students... the sagenb worked but it forced some students to
create a gmail account on the fly, it was quite painful and time consuming.
XD BTW it doesn't matter, the important thing is that the damage is
recoverable. Thank you very much for all the effort you use to keep the
things up and running. :-)

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Re: [sage-devel] Compilation of sage 5.2 fails: Error installing package sagenb-0.9.1

2012-08-15 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/8/15 Stan 

> If it is not a good idea to re-run make in the failed folder and making a
> fresh copy of the code files would be better, please let me know.


AFAIK that shouldn't cause problems, however you should save a bit of time
because of some already compiled files.

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Re: [sage-devel] sage startup time hasn't improved...

2012-08-11 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Did you try to enable TRIM to see if it makes a difference?

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Re: [sage-devel] Salvus

2012-08-10 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/8/10 Nathann Cohen 

> Cannot wait to see what is inside !!!
>
> http://salv.us/
>

Can I suggest setting up a LaunchRock page?
http://launchrock.com/

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Notebook for code development

2012-08-09 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/8/9 Nils Bruin 

> The main obstruction there is that explaining to a student how to
> install a browser extension is about as high a hurdle as explaining
> how to install sage on their own computer.
>

Are you referring to 10 years old students?

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 5.2 on ARM

2012-08-09 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/8/9 leif 

> Why [just] gzipped?
>
>
> 2297712640  sage-5.2-armv7l-Linux.tar
> 711687399   sage-5.2-armv7l-Linux.tar.gz
> 676129486   sage-5.2-armv7l-Linux.tar.bz2
> 480887340   sage-5.2-armv7l-Linux.tar.xz
>

I'm curious... did you try with 7zip too?

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Numbers multiplication by juxtaposition

2012-08-09 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/8/9 Andrey Novoseltsev 

> Check spacing of coefficients of mul expressions (#3202):
> sage: latex(2*3^x)
> 2 \, 3^{x}
>
> Does anyone think that this is indeed the proper way to output such
> expressions?..
>

Absolutely not. It's just wrong. :)

2012/8/9 Andrey Novoseltsev 

> Ok, I've opened
>
> http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13356
>
> but it seems to me that the issue is inside ginac and I don't know how
> to fix it.
>

I agree, it's a bug.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sagecell v1 and matlab as default interpreter

2012-08-08 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/8/8 fero 

> Andrea: pleased to read you in this group :). Do you mean like:
>
> %matlab
>
> a = [ 1 ,2  ; 10, 15]
> a'
>
> It seems not to work.


Yes that was my suggestion, but yes it seems to work only on the sage
notebook...

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sagecell v1 and matlab as default interpreter

2012-08-08 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Did you try to put "%matlab" as the first line of your cell?

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Re: [sage-devel] feature suggestion: decorator to convert python function to symbolic function

2012-08-05 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/8/5 Timo Kluck 

> I've done just that in this published worksheet:
> http://www.sagenb.org/home/pub/4919
>

Unfortunately... "Public worksheets are currently disabled."

:(

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Re: [sage-devel] Only 1st page worksheets are checked in Notebook

2012-08-03 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/8/3 

>   It looks like a bug to me, so I decided to post it here.


I'm not sure about this one. Usually when you have a GUI with checkboxes
and buttons to manipulate them, only the visible ones should be affected.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-support] Re: Error building gcc

2012-07-28 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/7/28 Dima Pasechnik 

> A workaround is to not to build "universal" libraries, i.. anything that
> works on
> 32 as well as on 64 bit (i.e x86 and x86_64) systems.
>

IIRC universal binaries should also include PPC. Am I right?

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Problems building farey_symbol.pyx on Cygwin

2012-07-27 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/7/27 kcrisman 

> Almost certainly the latter.


You added an "almost" which is not necessary since we're talking about
Windows. :D

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Proposed Project

2012-07-25 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
If you Google my name in the Italian version of Google, you will surely
find some news about a guy with my name who has been murdered in 2007.

Anyway, IMHO a Nintendo DS will never be able to perform Sage computations,
but it may be nice to implement the web interface. :)

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[sage-devel] Re: [sage-edu] Re: Sage Interact website

2012-07-16 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
>
>
> Do you think it is possible to make distributed cloud for sage cell server?
> Like - all cells in the world are schedued on the same huge cluster?
>
> I think that it could improve responsibility of project like interact
> site, which is right now unresponsive.
>
>
For me it doesn't seem to perform computations at all...



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Re: [sage-devel] Wanted: a reviewer for ticket #12503

2012-07-16 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/7/16 Kwankyu Lee 

> The feature that the patch provides is indispensable to me when I use
> command line interface of Sage. I think it is also very useful to you.
> Would you be a reviewer of the ticket?


I would like to help but I'm quite new to this mailing list, so sorry for
my noob question, but... what does this exactly mean? Do I have to compile
Sage from the sources and try the functionality?

If so I cannot help right now because I'm using a very old computer and it
would take forever to compile... :(

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Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

2012-07-11 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Ok yes, at the first time I misunderstood the sentence and thought you were
talking about standard users, in a Gentoo like fashion. Sorry for the
confusion.

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Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

2012-07-11 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Well, maybe I didn't understand properly your "they"... did you mean the
final users or the Launchpad system?

Andrea Lazzarotto
(inviato da Android)
Il giorno 11/lug/2012 11:23, "Andrea Lazzarotto" <
andrea.lazzaro...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

>
> Il giorno 11/lug/2012 11:08, "Jeroen Demeyer"  ha
> scritto:
> >
> > On 2012-07-11 10:58, Jan Groenewald wrote:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Package_Archive
> > > http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/personal-package-archives-for-everyone
> > > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
> >
> > So if I understand things correctly, we give them our source and they
> > build it for us, is that right?
>
> No, PPAs contain binaries and also the corresponding sources, you have to
> successfully build a package in order to upload it to the PPA for other
> people to download it.
>
> Andrea Lazzarotto
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Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

2012-07-11 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Il giorno 11/lug/2012 11:08, "Jeroen Demeyer"  ha
scritto:
>
> On 2012-07-11 10:58, Jan Groenewald wrote:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Package_Archive
> > http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/personal-package-archives-for-everyone
> > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
>
> So if I understand things correctly, we give them our source and they
> build it for us, is that right?

No, PPAs contain binaries and also the corresponding sources, you have to
successfully build a package in order to upload it to the PPA for other
people to download it.

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Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

2012-07-11 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
I didn't know about the PPA, that's great! :-)

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Re: [sage-devel] vote required for (small) backward incompatible change

2012-07-10 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Il giorno 10/lug/2012 15:51, "Frédéric Chapoton"  ha
scritto:
>
> There is already a patch in trac, solving this issue. Please vote for or
against this change, and please review the ticket if you can.
>
> Cheers,
> Frederic
>
I'm not an expert, but in my opinion if you have to correct a wrong result
you shouldn't be afraid of incompatibilities, so I would agree to change it.

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Re: [sage-devel] There needs to be a graph object, with methods

2012-07-02 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/7/2 kcrisman 

> There is certainly some inconsistency, but this one is unintentional


Sorry, I didn't know that. Thank you for linking the bug.

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Re: [sage-devel] There needs to be a graph object, with methods

2012-07-01 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/7/1 Slumberland 

>
> -- all the parameters which (should) belong to the grapher are instead
> duplicated in the various plot() methods.  They overlap, and there are then
> *additional* routines to sort out the overlap.  e.g. "show axes", "aspect
> ratio".
> -- Where there are *not* routines to sort it out, the behavior is equally
> odd.  If the "xmin" and "xmax" values are different for two plot()  calls,
> only parts of the function show, when they are added to the same image.
>  All but *one* definition of *display range* is accidentally converted to
> a *function evaluation* range.
> <http://www.sagemath.org>


I don't know if it can be considered to be related, but I noticed in some
cases that when plotting a 3d implicit plot if I put the "mesh=True" in the
plot it doesn't show up, but when inside the show method it does show up
(in Jmol, not in Tachyon). This is confusing because it seems natural to
define various properties of the plot inside the plot itself, as many other
parameters work in both methods.

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Re: [sage-devel] trace(x) calling x.trace()

2012-06-30 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
+1 for the change for me too. It seems a consistent behaviour like many
other functions.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage release plan

2012-06-29 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Ok sorry, probably I was confusing with the revised BSD and the fact that
the license happily allows proprietary software to use and abuse open
source components. But yes, you are right about the single files.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage release plan

2012-06-29 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Il giorno 29/giu/2012 23:20, "Jason Grout"  ha
scritto:
> The BSD files themselves would still be BSD, even if the distribution was
GPL, right?  You can't just delete the BSD header and change it to GPL, can
you?

You can change a single character and release your modified version as GPL.
:-)

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage release plan

2012-06-29 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
>
> Besides at this
>
point even if I wanted (which I don't) to change it I couldn't, as
> there are by now way too many ipython contributors who made their
> contributions to the project as BSD.  It would be likely impossible to
> get them to agree to a GPL relicensing.
>

Can't it be an issue for Sage in the opposite direction?

But my humble question is: why should Sage risk to donate the hard work to
companies such Apple (only an example) which use open source to make money
without giving back? For what I saw on the website (as a complete novice
who I am) I understood that Sage was born to be and remain free as in
freedom.

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