Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[Emmanuel Charpentier]

Dear Martin,

Le vendredi 28 décembre 2018 14:07:51 UTC+1, Martin R a écrit :
>
> Just in case it was overlooked: 
>

It *has* *been* overlooked, indeed. I just discovered thiqs post. Can't 
reasonably test it before 2019, but will try to do so first thing text 
year..

With abject apologies,

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> I fixed the bug reported by Emmanuel above in 
> https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/26929, no review yet, (and no comments 
> either) though.
>
> Martin
>

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[Vincent Delecroix]

At least, the GAP upgrade is in 8.6.beta0

   464c9142ab Trac #22626: Upgrade to GAP 4.10

I am also concerned about the Debian freeze and would be happy
to see a 8.6 soon enough... Volker, can you clarify the situation?

Le 28/12/2018 à 12:17, E. Madison Bray a écrit :

Okay, so 8.5 has been released.  What's the plan for 8.6?

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 9:34 PM Volker Braun  wrote:


I'm inclined to release 8.5 this weekend...

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

['Martin R' via sage-devel]

Just in case it was overlooked: I fixed the bug reported by Emmanuel above 
in https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/26929, no review yet, (and no comments 
either) though.

Martin

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[E. Madison Bray]

Okay, so 8.5 has been released.  What's the plan for 8.6?

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 9:34 PM Volker Braun  wrote:
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> I'm inclined to release 8.5 this weekend...
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[sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

['Martin R' via sage-devel]

I narrowed it down to a single commit (which turns out to be a single 
ticket), see https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/26929#comment:9

I am unable to debug this further though.

Martin

Am Donnerstag, 20. Dezember 2018 20:57:27 UTC+1 schrieb John H Palmieri:
>
> What is the extent of the bug? Does it require forming a polynomial ring 
> whose coefficients are a BooleanPolynomialRing? That's pretty specific. If 
> the problem arises more generally, with other rings as coefficients, then 
> it could be a blocker.
>
>
> On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 11:49:30 AM UTC-8, Emmanuel Charpentier 
> wrote:
>>
>> Even considering the pivotal rôle of polynomials and fraction fields 
>> thereof ?
>>
>> Le jeudi 20 décembre 2018 20:47:03 UTC+1, John H Palmieri a écrit :
>>>
>>> Critical but it's not a blocker, in my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 11:36:15 AM UTC-8, Emmanuel 
>>> Charpentier wrote:

 This  
 seems 
 seems to be a showstopper, enough to trump the best laid out plans of 
 mice, 
 men and mathematicians.

 No ticket yet, but I agree that this seems critical. 

 Le mardi 18 décembre 2018 12:50:44 UTC+1, E. Madison Bray a écrit :
>
> As pointed out by Samuel last month [1] the transition freeze (i.e. 
> new package versions) for the next major Debian release (buster) is 
> coming up January 12 [2].  This is important for Sage and those 
> working to package Sage for Debian, as it will impact what version of 
> Sage is available in Debian, and by extension big name Debian-based 
> distributions such as Ubuntu and Mint that carry with them probably 
> the majority of users on Linux. 
>
> Setting what version of Sage will be in Debian, prior to the freeze, 
> is not such a big deal in its own right as not many packages depend on 
> Sage.  However, it does impact what versions of Sage's many 
> dependencies can be included, and GAP perhaps has the largest impact 
> there, as there are also many packages that depend on GAP (mostly GAP 
> packages). 
>
> The biggest sticking point right now to packaging Sage for Debian is 
> thus what version of GAP can go in Debian as well (and I don't think 
> the GAP community will be too happy about it if the GAP version gets 
> held back because of Sage; though the more likely outcome there is 
> that Sage gets held back (or excluded entirely) if it can't work with 
> the new GAP). 
>
> Thus some of us have been working hard to find a working convergence 
> between Sage and GAP 4.10.x.  That work is nearly ready [3] (pending 
> some needed patches to GAP), and given the normal rate of Sage's 
> release cycle it would be a shame to have this work excluded from Sage 
> 8.5, considering that it is the major blocker for Debian. 
>
> Therefore I propose doing a few more rounds of Sage 8.5 pre-releases 
> specifically with the focus of upgrading GAP: Completing #22626 which 
> I think will be ready-enough by tomorrow (I would prefer to wait until 
> GAP 4.10.1 is out but starting testing now would be better) and 
> sending it to the patchbots, while putting a hold on any other 
> non-critical fixes. 
>
> If for some reason that's impossible then we should quickly release a 
> Sage 8.6 that is focused primarily on GAP 4.10 compatibility. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Erik 
>
>
>
> [1] 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/ztLmB2xWFig/kWk7LGycCQAJ 
> [2] https://release.debian.org/buster/freeze_policy.html 
> [3] https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/22626 
>


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[sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[John H Palmieri]

What is the extent of the bug? Does it require forming a polynomial ring 
whose coefficients are a BooleanPolynomialRing? That's pretty specific. If 
the problem arises more generally, with other rings as coefficients, then 
it could be a blocker.


On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 11:49:30 AM UTC-8, Emmanuel Charpentier 
wrote:
>
> Even considering the pivotal rôle of polynomials and fraction fields 
> thereof ?
>
> Le jeudi 20 décembre 2018 20:47:03 UTC+1, John H Palmieri a écrit :
>>
>> Critical but it's not a blocker, in my opinion.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 11:36:15 AM UTC-8, Emmanuel Charpentier 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This  seems 
>>> seems to be a showstopper, enough to trump the best laid out plans of mice, 
>>> men and mathematicians.
>>>
>>> No ticket yet, but I agree that this seems critical. 
>>>
>>> Le mardi 18 décembre 2018 12:50:44 UTC+1, E. Madison Bray a écrit :

 As pointed out by Samuel last month [1] the transition freeze (i.e. 
 new package versions) for the next major Debian release (buster) is 
 coming up January 12 [2].  This is important for Sage and those 
 working to package Sage for Debian, as it will impact what version of 
 Sage is available in Debian, and by extension big name Debian-based 
 distributions such as Ubuntu and Mint that carry with them probably 
 the majority of users on Linux. 

 Setting what version of Sage will be in Debian, prior to the freeze, 
 is not such a big deal in its own right as not many packages depend on 
 Sage.  However, it does impact what versions of Sage's many 
 dependencies can be included, and GAP perhaps has the largest impact 
 there, as there are also many packages that depend on GAP (mostly GAP 
 packages). 

 The biggest sticking point right now to packaging Sage for Debian is 
 thus what version of GAP can go in Debian as well (and I don't think 
 the GAP community will be too happy about it if the GAP version gets 
 held back because of Sage; though the more likely outcome there is 
 that Sage gets held back (or excluded entirely) if it can't work with 
 the new GAP). 

 Thus some of us have been working hard to find a working convergence 
 between Sage and GAP 4.10.x.  That work is nearly ready [3] (pending 
 some needed patches to GAP), and given the normal rate of Sage's 
 release cycle it would be a shame to have this work excluded from Sage 
 8.5, considering that it is the major blocker for Debian. 

 Therefore I propose doing a few more rounds of Sage 8.5 pre-releases 
 specifically with the focus of upgrading GAP: Completing #22626 which 
 I think will be ready-enough by tomorrow (I would prefer to wait until 
 GAP 4.10.1 is out but starting testing now would be better) and 
 sending it to the patchbots, while putting a hold on any other 
 non-critical fixes. 

 If for some reason that's impossible then we should quickly release a 
 Sage 8.6 that is focused primarily on GAP 4.10 compatibility. 

 Thanks, 
 Erik 



 [1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/ztLmB2xWFig/kWk7LGycCQAJ 
 [2] https://release.debian.org/buster/freeze_policy.html 
 [3] https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/22626 

>>>

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[sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[Emmanuel Charpentier]

Even considering the pivotal rôle of polynomials and fraction fields 
thereof ?

Le jeudi 20 décembre 2018 20:47:03 UTC+1, John H Palmieri a écrit :
>
> Critical but it's not a blocker, in my opinion.
>
>
> On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 11:36:15 AM UTC-8, Emmanuel Charpentier 
> wrote:
>>
>> This  seems 
>> seems to be a showstopper, enough to trump the best laid out plans of mice, 
>> men and mathematicians.
>>
>> No ticket yet, but I agree that this seems critical. 
>>
>> Le mardi 18 décembre 2018 12:50:44 UTC+1, E. Madison Bray a écrit :
>>>
>>> As pointed out by Samuel last month [1] the transition freeze (i.e. 
>>> new package versions) for the next major Debian release (buster) is 
>>> coming up January 12 [2].  This is important for Sage and those 
>>> working to package Sage for Debian, as it will impact what version of 
>>> Sage is available in Debian, and by extension big name Debian-based 
>>> distributions such as Ubuntu and Mint that carry with them probably 
>>> the majority of users on Linux. 
>>>
>>> Setting what version of Sage will be in Debian, prior to the freeze, 
>>> is not such a big deal in its own right as not many packages depend on 
>>> Sage.  However, it does impact what versions of Sage's many 
>>> dependencies can be included, and GAP perhaps has the largest impact 
>>> there, as there are also many packages that depend on GAP (mostly GAP 
>>> packages). 
>>>
>>> The biggest sticking point right now to packaging Sage for Debian is 
>>> thus what version of GAP can go in Debian as well (and I don't think 
>>> the GAP community will be too happy about it if the GAP version gets 
>>> held back because of Sage; though the more likely outcome there is 
>>> that Sage gets held back (or excluded entirely) if it can't work with 
>>> the new GAP). 
>>>
>>> Thus some of us have been working hard to find a working convergence 
>>> between Sage and GAP 4.10.x.  That work is nearly ready [3] (pending 
>>> some needed patches to GAP), and given the normal rate of Sage's 
>>> release cycle it would be a shame to have this work excluded from Sage 
>>> 8.5, considering that it is the major blocker for Debian. 
>>>
>>> Therefore I propose doing a few more rounds of Sage 8.5 pre-releases 
>>> specifically with the focus of upgrading GAP: Completing #22626 which 
>>> I think will be ready-enough by tomorrow (I would prefer to wait until 
>>> GAP 4.10.1 is out but starting testing now would be better) and 
>>> sending it to the patchbots, while putting a hold on any other 
>>> non-critical fixes. 
>>>
>>> If for some reason that's impossible then we should quickly release a 
>>> Sage 8.6 that is focused primarily on GAP 4.10 compatibility. 
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Erik 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/ztLmB2xWFig/kWk7LGycCQAJ 
>>> [2] https://release.debian.org/buster/freeze_policy.html 
>>> [3] https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/22626 
>>>
>>

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[sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[John H Palmieri]

Critical but it's not a blocker, in my opinion.


On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 11:36:15 AM UTC-8, Emmanuel Charpentier 
wrote:
>
> This  seems 
> seems to be a showstopper, enough to trump the best laid out plans of mice, 
> men and mathematicians.
>
> No ticket yet, but I agree that this seems critical. 
>
> Le mardi 18 décembre 2018 12:50:44 UTC+1, E. Madison Bray a écrit :
>>
>> As pointed out by Samuel last month [1] the transition freeze (i.e. 
>> new package versions) for the next major Debian release (buster) is 
>> coming up January 12 [2].  This is important for Sage and those 
>> working to package Sage for Debian, as it will impact what version of 
>> Sage is available in Debian, and by extension big name Debian-based 
>> distributions such as Ubuntu and Mint that carry with them probably 
>> the majority of users on Linux. 
>>
>> Setting what version of Sage will be in Debian, prior to the freeze, 
>> is not such a big deal in its own right as not many packages depend on 
>> Sage.  However, it does impact what versions of Sage's many 
>> dependencies can be included, and GAP perhaps has the largest impact 
>> there, as there are also many packages that depend on GAP (mostly GAP 
>> packages). 
>>
>> The biggest sticking point right now to packaging Sage for Debian is 
>> thus what version of GAP can go in Debian as well (and I don't think 
>> the GAP community will be too happy about it if the GAP version gets 
>> held back because of Sage; though the more likely outcome there is 
>> that Sage gets held back (or excluded entirely) if it can't work with 
>> the new GAP). 
>>
>> Thus some of us have been working hard to find a working convergence 
>> between Sage and GAP 4.10.x.  That work is nearly ready [3] (pending 
>> some needed patches to GAP), and given the normal rate of Sage's 
>> release cycle it would be a shame to have this work excluded from Sage 
>> 8.5, considering that it is the major blocker for Debian. 
>>
>> Therefore I propose doing a few more rounds of Sage 8.5 pre-releases 
>> specifically with the focus of upgrading GAP: Completing #22626 which 
>> I think will be ready-enough by tomorrow (I would prefer to wait until 
>> GAP 4.10.1 is out but starting testing now would be better) and 
>> sending it to the patchbots, while putting a hold on any other 
>> non-critical fixes. 
>>
>> If for some reason that's impossible then we should quickly release a 
>> Sage 8.6 that is focused primarily on GAP 4.10 compatibility. 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Erik 
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/ztLmB2xWFig/kWk7LGycCQAJ 
>> [2] https://release.debian.org/buster/freeze_policy.html 
>> [3] https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/22626 
>>
>

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[sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[Emmanuel Charpentier]

This  seems 
seems to be a showstopper, enough to trump the best laid out plans of mice, 
men and mathematicians.

No ticket yet, but I agree that this seems critical. 

Le mardi 18 décembre 2018 12:50:44 UTC+1, E. Madison Bray a écrit :
>
> As pointed out by Samuel last month [1] the transition freeze (i.e. 
> new package versions) for the next major Debian release (buster) is 
> coming up January 12 [2].  This is important for Sage and those 
> working to package Sage for Debian, as it will impact what version of 
> Sage is available in Debian, and by extension big name Debian-based 
> distributions such as Ubuntu and Mint that carry with them probably 
> the majority of users on Linux. 
>
> Setting what version of Sage will be in Debian, prior to the freeze, 
> is not such a big deal in its own right as not many packages depend on 
> Sage.  However, it does impact what versions of Sage's many 
> dependencies can be included, and GAP perhaps has the largest impact 
> there, as there are also many packages that depend on GAP (mostly GAP 
> packages). 
>
> The biggest sticking point right now to packaging Sage for Debian is 
> thus what version of GAP can go in Debian as well (and I don't think 
> the GAP community will be too happy about it if the GAP version gets 
> held back because of Sage; though the more likely outcome there is 
> that Sage gets held back (or excluded entirely) if it can't work with 
> the new GAP). 
>
> Thus some of us have been working hard to find a working convergence 
> between Sage and GAP 4.10.x.  That work is nearly ready [3] (pending 
> some needed patches to GAP), and given the normal rate of Sage's 
> release cycle it would be a shame to have this work excluded from Sage 
> 8.5, considering that it is the major blocker for Debian. 
>
> Therefore I propose doing a few more rounds of Sage 8.5 pre-releases 
> specifically with the focus of upgrading GAP: Completing #22626 which 
> I think will be ready-enough by tomorrow (I would prefer to wait until 
> GAP 4.10.1 is out but starting testing now would be better) and 
> sending it to the patchbots, while putting a hold on any other 
> non-critical fixes. 
>
> If for some reason that's impossible then we should quickly release a 
> Sage 8.6 that is focused primarily on GAP 4.10 compatibility. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Erik 
>
>
>
> [1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/ztLmB2xWFig/kWk7LGycCQAJ 
> [2] https://release.debian.org/buster/freeze_policy.html 
> [3] https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/22626 
>

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[Jan Groenewald]

Hi

Seeing as the freezes are coming up on the buster side,
https://release.debian.org/buster/freeze_policy.html ,
I have added two (amd64 and i386) buster buildbots.
(I mailed Volker and his ssh keys are added.)

Regards,
Jan



On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 at 11:17, E. Madison Bray  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:10 AM Jeroen Demeyer 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 2018-12-20 00:12, Dima Pasechnik wrote:
> > > How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?)
> >
> > Rushing GAP 4.10 in Sage 8.5 doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
> > Ideally, it should be sufficiently tested in betas.
>
> Depends on what you mean by "rushing".  More "release candidates" can
> be made, which are effectively no different from "testing in betas".
> I agree it needs to be tested more before it can be considered truly
> "done", but either that's going to happen in additional 8.5 "release
> candidates" or 8.6 "betas".  Personally I don't care either way as
> long as it gets done quickly as possible.  But it seems like a waste
> of time to make two minor-version number releases in quick succession.
>
>
> (This is an example of why I believe there needs to be more community
> involvement and communication in planning releases at regular
> intervals instead of just "moving forward" according to some seemingly
> arbitrary plan.)
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[E. Madison Bray]

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:10 AM Jeroen Demeyer  wrote:
>
> On 2018-12-20 00:12, Dima Pasechnik wrote:
> > How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?)
>
> Rushing GAP 4.10 in Sage 8.5 doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
> Ideally, it should be sufficiently tested in betas.

Depends on what you mean by "rushing".  More "release candidates" can
be made, which are effectively no different from "testing in betas".
I agree it needs to be tested more before it can be considered truly
"done", but either that's going to happen in additional 8.5 "release
candidates" or 8.6 "betas".  Personally I don't care either way as
long as it gets done quickly as possible.  But it seems like a waste
of time to make two minor-version number releases in quick succession.


(This is an example of why I believe there needs to be more community
involvement and communication in planning releases at regular
intervals instead of just "moving forward" according to some seemingly
arbitrary plan.)

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[E. Madison Bray]

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:01 AM Antonio Rojas  wrote:
>
>
>
> El martes, 18 de diciembre de 2018, 12:50:44 (UTC+1), E. Madison Bray 
> escribió:
>>
>> As pointed out by Samuel last month [1] the transition freeze (i.e.
>> new package versions) for the next major Debian release (buster) is
>> coming up January 12 [2].  This is important for Sage and those
>> working to package Sage for Debian, as it will impact what version of
>> Sage is available in Debian, and by extension big name Debian-based
>> distributions such as Ubuntu and Mint that carry with them probably
>> the majority of users on Linux.
>>
>
> Since the GAP 4.10 work is considered done, does it really make that much 
> difference whether it is in a stable Sage release or not? Can't Debian 
> packagers simply backport the patch to 8.5? (which is what I'm planning to do 
> on Arch if it doesn't make it to 8.5)

That is a possibility of course, but not ideal.  It results in
splitting the community in possibly confusing ways.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[Jeroen Demeyer]

On 2018-12-20 00:12, Dima Pasechnik wrote:

How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?)


Rushing GAP 4.10 in Sage 8.5 doesn't sound like a good idea to me. 
Ideally, it should be sufficiently tested in betas.


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[sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[Antonio Rojas]

El martes, 18 de diciembre de 2018, 12:50:44 (UTC+1), E. Madison Bray 
escribió:
>
> As pointed out by Samuel last month [1] the transition freeze (i.e. 
> new package versions) for the next major Debian release (buster) is 
> coming up January 12 [2].  This is important for Sage and those 
> working to package Sage for Debian, as it will impact what version of 
> Sage is available in Debian, and by extension big name Debian-based 
> distributions such as Ubuntu and Mint that carry with them probably 
> the majority of users on Linux. 
>
>
Since the GAP 4.10 work is considered done, does it really make that much 
difference whether it is in a stable Sage release or not? Can't Debian 
packagers simply backport the patch to 8.5? (which is what I'm planning to 
do on Arch if it doesn't make it to 8.5) 

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[E. Madison Bray]

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:56 AM E. Madison Bray  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 12:12 AM Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
> >
> > I`ve just given #22626 (port gap/libgap to GAP 4.10) a positive
> > review (Erik deserves a round of applause for this great work!)
> > And the associated #26856 (gap_packages/database) will be up for
> > reviewing very soon,
> > I`m just running one last round of tests; that is, it should be possible to 
> > get
> > GAP 4.10 ready on the 20.12.
>
> I'm going to have a closer look now at your gap_packages ticket today
> so we can hopefully get that finished up.
>
> > How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?)
>
> 8.5 would be my preference (not "8.5.1" as this is a major change).
> But I'm also happy to release an 8.6 soon if we can do that instead.
> Volker had already mentioned a December 1st cut-off date for major
> updates to 8.5 which we weren't able to make, and that's fine.  Just
> as long as the next release comes out quickly and prioritizes the GAP
> update (and perhaps nothing else major, though if there are bug fixes
> to include that's fine too).

On the other hand it's a lot of work to make an 8.5 release, and then
follow up with an 8.6 release just a couple weeks later, so if I were
release manager I would personally be inclined to wait.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[E. Madison Bray]

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 12:12 AM Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
>
> I`ve just given #22626 (port gap/libgap to GAP 4.10) a positive
> review (Erik deserves a round of applause for this great work!)
> And the associated #26856 (gap_packages/database) will be up for
> reviewing very soon,
> I`m just running one last round of tests; that is, it should be possible to 
> get
> GAP 4.10 ready on the 20.12.

I'm going to have a closer look now at your gap_packages ticket today
so we can hopefully get that finished up.

> How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?)

8.5 would be my preference (not "8.5.1" as this is a major change).
But I'm also happy to release an 8.6 soon if we can do that instead.
Volker had already mentioned a December 1st cut-off date for major
updates to 8.5 which we weren't able to make, and that's fine.  Just
as long as the next release comes out quickly and prioritizes the GAP
update (and perhaps nothing else major, though if there are bug fixes
to include that's fine too).

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[VulK]

Same here

* 'Martin R' via sage-devel  [2018-12-20 00:36:35]:


I have very little time, but if someone posts very precise compilation
instructions to upgrade from current develop, I would let my computer play
with it in the background.

(currently compiling 8.5.rc1)

In particular: was gap 4.10 already tested with optional packages like
coxeter3 and the experimental gap3 package?

Martin

Am Donnerstag, 20. Dezember 2018 08:41:40 UTC+1 schrieb Emmanuel
Charpentier:


Well...

Gap 4.10 and associated packages are a large change. I can't see it going
straight from positive_review to release. Including it would entail at
least a 8.5.rc2, and a decent shakedown period. This argues strongly in
favor of Volker's suggestion of releasing 8.5 "as is" from 8.5.rc1.

But let's look at an alternative, aiming at advancing Debian's Sage and
supporting software as far as possible :

Le jeudi 20 décembre 2018 00:12:42 UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik a écrit :


I`ve just given #22626 (port gap/libgap to GAP 4.10) a positive
review (Erik deserves a round of applause for this great work!)
And the associated #26856 (gap_packages/database) will be up for
reviewing very soon,
I`m just running one last round of tests; that is, it should be possible
to get
GAP 4.10 ready on the 20.12.



Nice ! That would allow 8.5.rc2 about Dec, 22 and, if all goes well and
Volker _ajuvante_, 8.5 release on Dec 29.

What about Debian packaging ? Postulating 8.5 release on Dec 29, cant Sage
be packaged and uploaded to unstable before Jan. 12 ?



How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?)



Call that 8.6 rather than 8.5.1 (better marketing...). But 8.5 would be
even better...



Dima

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:34 PM Volker Braun  wrote:
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> I'm inclined to release 8.5 this weekend...
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

['Martin R' via sage-devel]

I have very little time, but if someone posts very precise compilation 
instructions to upgrade from current develop, I would let my computer play 
with it in the background.

(currently compiling 8.5.rc1)

In particular: was gap 4.10 already tested with optional packages like 
coxeter3 and the experimental gap3 package?

Martin

Am Donnerstag, 20. Dezember 2018 08:41:40 UTC+1 schrieb Emmanuel 
Charpentier:
>
> Well...
>
> Gap 4.10 and associated packages are a large change. I can't see it going 
> straight from positive_review to release. Including it would entail at 
> least a 8.5.rc2, and a decent shakedown period. This argues strongly in 
> favor of Volker's suggestion of releasing 8.5 "as is" from 8.5.rc1.
>
> But let's look at an alternative, aiming at advancing Debian's Sage and 
> supporting software as far as possible :
>
> Le jeudi 20 décembre 2018 00:12:42 UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik a écrit :
>>
>> I`ve just given #22626 (port gap/libgap to GAP 4.10) a positive 
>> review (Erik deserves a round of applause for this great work!) 
>> And the associated #26856 (gap_packages/database) will be up for 
>> reviewing very soon, 
>> I`m just running one last round of tests; that is, it should be possible 
>> to get 
>> GAP 4.10 ready on the 20.12. 
>>
>
> Nice ! That would allow 8.5.rc2 about Dec, 22 and, if all goes well and 
> Volker _ajuvante_, 8.5 release on Dec 29.
>
> What about Debian packaging ? Postulating 8.5 release on Dec 29, cant Sage 
> be packaged and uploaded to unstable before Jan. 12 ?
>
>>
>> How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?) 
>>
>
> Call that 8.6 rather than 8.5.1 (better marketing...). But 8.5 would be 
> even better...
>
>>
>> Dima 
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:34 PM Volker Braun  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > I'm inclined to release 8.5 this weekend... 
>> > 
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[Emmanuel Charpentier]

Well...

Gap 4.10 and associated packages are a large change. I can't see it going 
straight from positive_review to release. Including it would entail at 
least a 8.5.rc2, and a decent shakedown period. This argues strongly in 
favor of Volker's suggestion of releasing 8.5 "as is" from 8.5.rc1.

But let's look at an alternative, aiming at advancing Debian's Sage and 
supporting software as far as possible :

Le jeudi 20 décembre 2018 00:12:42 UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik a écrit :
>
> I`ve just given #22626 (port gap/libgap to GAP 4.10) a positive 
> review (Erik deserves a round of applause for this great work!) 
> And the associated #26856 (gap_packages/database) will be up for 
> reviewing very soon, 
> I`m just running one last round of tests; that is, it should be possible 
> to get 
> GAP 4.10 ready on the 20.12. 
>

Nice ! That would allow 8.5.rc2 about Dec, 22 and, if all goes well and 
Volker _ajuvante_, 8.5 release on Dec 29.

What about Debian packaging ? Postulating 8.5 release on Dec 29, cant Sage 
be packaged and uploaded to unstable before Jan. 12 ?

>
> How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?) 
>

Call that 8.6 rather than 8.5.1 (better marketing...). But 8.5 would be 
even better...

>
> Dima 
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:34 PM Volker Braun  > wrote: 
> > 
> > I'm inclined to release 8.5 this weekend... 
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[Dima Pasechnik]

I`ve just given #22626 (port gap/libgap to GAP 4.10) a positive
review (Erik deserves a round of applause for this great work!)
And the associated #26856 (gap_packages/database) will be up for
reviewing very soon,
I`m just running one last round of tests; that is, it should be possible to get
GAP 4.10 ready on the 20.12.

How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?)

Dima

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:34 PM Volker Braun  wrote:
>
> I'm inclined to release 8.5 this weekend...
>
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[sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?

[Volker Braun]

I'm inclined to release 8.5 this weekend...

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