Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
Dear Martin, Le vendredi 28 décembre 2018 14:07:51 UTC+1, Martin R a écrit : > > Just in case it was overlooked: > It *has* *been* overlooked, indeed. I just discovered thiqs post. Can't reasonably test it before 2019, but will try to do so first thing text year.. With abject apologies, -- Emmanuel Charpentier > I fixed the bug reported by Emmanuel above in > https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/26929, no review yet, (and no comments > either) though. > > Martin > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
At least, the GAP upgrade is in 8.6.beta0 464c9142ab Trac #22626: Upgrade to GAP 4.10 I am also concerned about the Debian freeze and would be happy to see a 8.6 soon enough... Volker, can you clarify the situation? Le 28/12/2018 à 12:17, E. Madison Bray a écrit : Okay, so 8.5 has been released. What's the plan for 8.6? On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 9:34 PM Volker Braun wrote: I'm inclined to release 8.5 this weekend... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
Just in case it was overlooked: I fixed the bug reported by Emmanuel above in https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/26929, no review yet, (and no comments either) though. Martin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
Okay, so 8.5 has been released. What's the plan for 8.6? On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 9:34 PM Volker Braun wrote: > > I'm inclined to release 8.5 this weekend... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
Hi Seeing as the freezes are coming up on the buster side, https://release.debian.org/buster/freeze_policy.html , I have added two (amd64 and i386) buster buildbots. (I mailed Volker and his ssh keys are added.) Regards, Jan On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 at 11:17, E. Madison Bray wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:10 AM Jeroen Demeyer > wrote: > > > > On 2018-12-20 00:12, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?) > > > > Rushing GAP 4.10 in Sage 8.5 doesn't sound like a good idea to me. > > Ideally, it should be sufficiently tested in betas. > > Depends on what you mean by "rushing". More "release candidates" can > be made, which are effectively no different from "testing in betas". > I agree it needs to be tested more before it can be considered truly > "done", but either that's going to happen in additional 8.5 "release > candidates" or 8.6 "betas". Personally I don't care either way as > long as it gets done quickly as possible. But it seems like a waste > of time to make two minor-version number releases in quick succession. > > > (This is an example of why I believe there needs to be more community > involvement and communication in planning releases at regular > intervals instead of just "moving forward" according to some seemingly > arbitrary plan.) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- .~. /V\ Jan Groenewald /( )\www.aims.ac.za ^^-^^ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:10 AM Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > > On 2018-12-20 00:12, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?) > > Rushing GAP 4.10 in Sage 8.5 doesn't sound like a good idea to me. > Ideally, it should be sufficiently tested in betas. Depends on what you mean by "rushing". More "release candidates" can be made, which are effectively no different from "testing in betas". I agree it needs to be tested more before it can be considered truly "done", but either that's going to happen in additional 8.5 "release candidates" or 8.6 "betas". Personally I don't care either way as long as it gets done quickly as possible. But it seems like a waste of time to make two minor-version number releases in quick succession. (This is an example of why I believe there needs to be more community involvement and communication in planning releases at regular intervals instead of just "moving forward" according to some seemingly arbitrary plan.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:01 AM Antonio Rojas wrote: > > > > El martes, 18 de diciembre de 2018, 12:50:44 (UTC+1), E. Madison Bray > escribió: >> >> As pointed out by Samuel last month [1] the transition freeze (i.e. >> new package versions) for the next major Debian release (buster) is >> coming up January 12 [2]. This is important for Sage and those >> working to package Sage for Debian, as it will impact what version of >> Sage is available in Debian, and by extension big name Debian-based >> distributions such as Ubuntu and Mint that carry with them probably >> the majority of users on Linux. >> > > Since the GAP 4.10 work is considered done, does it really make that much > difference whether it is in a stable Sage release or not? Can't Debian > packagers simply backport the patch to 8.5? (which is what I'm planning to do > on Arch if it doesn't make it to 8.5) That is a possibility of course, but not ideal. It results in splitting the community in possibly confusing ways. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
On 2018-12-20 00:12, Dima Pasechnik wrote: How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?) Rushing GAP 4.10 in Sage 8.5 doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Ideally, it should be sufficiently tested in betas. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:56 AM E. Madison Bray wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 12:12 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > > I`ve just given #22626 (port gap/libgap to GAP 4.10) a positive > > review (Erik deserves a round of applause for this great work!) > > And the associated #26856 (gap_packages/database) will be up for > > reviewing very soon, > > I`m just running one last round of tests; that is, it should be possible to > > get > > GAP 4.10 ready on the 20.12. > > I'm going to have a closer look now at your gap_packages ticket today > so we can hopefully get that finished up. > > > How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?) > > 8.5 would be my preference (not "8.5.1" as this is a major change). > But I'm also happy to release an 8.6 soon if we can do that instead. > Volker had already mentioned a December 1st cut-off date for major > updates to 8.5 which we weren't able to make, and that's fine. Just > as long as the next release comes out quickly and prioritizes the GAP > update (and perhaps nothing else major, though if there are bug fixes > to include that's fine too). On the other hand it's a lot of work to make an 8.5 release, and then follow up with an 8.6 release just a couple weeks later, so if I were release manager I would personally be inclined to wait. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 12:12 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > I`ve just given #22626 (port gap/libgap to GAP 4.10) a positive > review (Erik deserves a round of applause for this great work!) > And the associated #26856 (gap_packages/database) will be up for > reviewing very soon, > I`m just running one last round of tests; that is, it should be possible to > get > GAP 4.10 ready on the 20.12. I'm going to have a closer look now at your gap_packages ticket today so we can hopefully get that finished up. > How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?) 8.5 would be my preference (not "8.5.1" as this is a major change). But I'm also happy to release an 8.6 soon if we can do that instead. Volker had already mentioned a December 1st cut-off date for major updates to 8.5 which we weren't able to make, and that's fine. Just as long as the next release comes out quickly and prioritizes the GAP update (and perhaps nothing else major, though if there are bug fixes to include that's fine too). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
Same here * 'Martin R' via sage-devel [2018-12-20 00:36:35]: I have very little time, but if someone posts very precise compilation instructions to upgrade from current develop, I would let my computer play with it in the background. (currently compiling 8.5.rc1) In particular: was gap 4.10 already tested with optional packages like coxeter3 and the experimental gap3 package? Martin Am Donnerstag, 20. Dezember 2018 08:41:40 UTC+1 schrieb Emmanuel Charpentier: Well... Gap 4.10 and associated packages are a large change. I can't see it going straight from positive_review to release. Including it would entail at least a 8.5.rc2, and a decent shakedown period. This argues strongly in favor of Volker's suggestion of releasing 8.5 "as is" from 8.5.rc1. But let's look at an alternative, aiming at advancing Debian's Sage and supporting software as far as possible : Le jeudi 20 décembre 2018 00:12:42 UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik a écrit : I`ve just given #22626 (port gap/libgap to GAP 4.10) a positive review (Erik deserves a round of applause for this great work!) And the associated #26856 (gap_packages/database) will be up for reviewing very soon, I`m just running one last round of tests; that is, it should be possible to get GAP 4.10 ready on the 20.12. Nice ! That would allow 8.5.rc2 about Dec, 22 and, if all goes well and Volker _ajuvante_, 8.5 release on Dec 29. What about Debian packaging ? Postulating 8.5 release on Dec 29, cant Sage be packaged and uploaded to unstable before Jan. 12 ? How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?) Call that 8.6 rather than 8.5.1 (better marketing...). But 8.5 would be even better... Dima On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:34 PM Volker Braun wrote: > > I'm inclined to release 8.5 this weekend... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
I have very little time, but if someone posts very precise compilation instructions to upgrade from current develop, I would let my computer play with it in the background. (currently compiling 8.5.rc1) In particular: was gap 4.10 already tested with optional packages like coxeter3 and the experimental gap3 package? Martin Am Donnerstag, 20. Dezember 2018 08:41:40 UTC+1 schrieb Emmanuel Charpentier: > > Well... > > Gap 4.10 and associated packages are a large change. I can't see it going > straight from positive_review to release. Including it would entail at > least a 8.5.rc2, and a decent shakedown period. This argues strongly in > favor of Volker's suggestion of releasing 8.5 "as is" from 8.5.rc1. > > But let's look at an alternative, aiming at advancing Debian's Sage and > supporting software as far as possible : > > Le jeudi 20 décembre 2018 00:12:42 UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik a écrit : >> >> I`ve just given #22626 (port gap/libgap to GAP 4.10) a positive >> review (Erik deserves a round of applause for this great work!) >> And the associated #26856 (gap_packages/database) will be up for >> reviewing very soon, >> I`m just running one last round of tests; that is, it should be possible >> to get >> GAP 4.10 ready on the 20.12. >> > > Nice ! That would allow 8.5.rc2 about Dec, 22 and, if all goes well and > Volker _ajuvante_, 8.5 release on Dec 29. > > What about Debian packaging ? Postulating 8.5 release on Dec 29, cant Sage > be packaged and uploaded to unstable before Jan. 12 ? > >> >> How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?) >> > > Call that 8.6 rather than 8.5.1 (better marketing...). But 8.5 would be > even better... > >> >> Dima >> >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:34 PM Volker Braun wrote: >> > >> > I'm inclined to release 8.5 this weekend... >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "sage-devel" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com. >> > To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com. >> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
Well... Gap 4.10 and associated packages are a large change. I can't see it going straight from positive_review to release. Including it would entail at least a 8.5.rc2, and a decent shakedown period. This argues strongly in favor of Volker's suggestion of releasing 8.5 "as is" from 8.5.rc1. But let's look at an alternative, aiming at advancing Debian's Sage and supporting software as far as possible : Le jeudi 20 décembre 2018 00:12:42 UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik a écrit : > > I`ve just given #22626 (port gap/libgap to GAP 4.10) a positive > review (Erik deserves a round of applause for this great work!) > And the associated #26856 (gap_packages/database) will be up for > reviewing very soon, > I`m just running one last round of tests; that is, it should be possible > to get > GAP 4.10 ready on the 20.12. > Nice ! That would allow 8.5.rc2 about Dec, 22 and, if all goes well and Volker _ajuvante_, 8.5 release on Dec 29. What about Debian packaging ? Postulating 8.5 release on Dec 29, cant Sage be packaged and uploaded to unstable before Jan. 12 ? > > How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?) > Call that 8.6 rather than 8.5.1 (better marketing...). But 8.5 would be even better... > > Dima > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:34 PM Volker Braun > wrote: > > > > I'm inclined to release 8.5 this weekend... > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "sage-devel" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com . > > To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com > . > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delaying 8.5 or fast-tracking 8.6?
I`ve just given #22626 (port gap/libgap to GAP 4.10) a positive review (Erik deserves a round of applause for this great work!) And the associated #26856 (gap_packages/database) will be up for reviewing very soon, I`m just running one last round of tests; that is, it should be possible to get GAP 4.10 ready on the 20.12. How about trying to get this into 8.5? (or perhaps 8.5.1?) Dima On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:34 PM Volker Braun wrote: > > I'm inclined to release 8.5 this weekend... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
