[sage-support] formatting not saved in notebooks

2008-09-29 Thread Stan Schymanski

Dear all,

As of version 3.1.2, plots are saved correctly in notebooks. Thanks to
those that fixed it. However, I noticed that the formatting of cells
beginning with %hide %html is not saved. I need to re-evaluate all
of those cells to get the formatting back. Is this a bug in SAGE or
does it have something to do with the web browser (Firefox 3.0.3 on
Mac OS X 10.4)?

Thanks again for the great effort!

Stan
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[sage-support] Re: problem with animate on OS X 10.5, Sage 3.1.2

2008-09-29 Thread Jason Grout

William Stein wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 5:51 PM, mabshoff
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Sep 27, 5:41 pm, John H Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can anyone else reproduce this?
 I can't since I do not have convert on a Mac, but the problem is that
 we switched to a dynamic libpng. The solution is:

  * create a convert script in $SAGE_LOCAL/bin
  * set DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH to SAGE_ORIG_DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH
  * call convert with an absolute path (use which convert from
 outside Sage) and pass on all parameters (i.e. /use/local/foo/convert
 $@)

 We should probably do that automatically on OSX for convert, emacs and
 the other usual suspects. The problem boils down to Apple renaming
 some of the symbols in libpng and creating libPng.dylib in the
 process.
 
 The right solution, which we've probably halfway already done
 if I remember correctly, is to write a Sage function called
 run_command that resets the environment as you suggest
 above, runs the subcommand, and returns.This should be
 completely transparent to the user, and should do the right
 thing on Linux, OS X, etc.   Then the animate command
 would call convert via run_command instead of os.system.


See http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/975 for a solution that is 
already put in place.  Basically, use 
$SAGE_ROOT/local/bin/sage-native-execute, which does exactly what 
mabshoff says above.

Thanks,

Jason


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[sage-support] Re: How do I extend an extension field?

2008-09-29 Thread Justin C. Walker


On Sep 29, 2008, at 8:50 AM, David Møller Hansen wrote:


 Let F2=GF(2^7,'a'), E=EllipticCurve(F1,[0,0,1,1,1]),
 P=E.random_point(), F2=GF((2^7)^4,'a')

 Purpose: I want to look at the point P in the curve over F2 instead of
 F1. So I some way I want to extend F1.

 My question is how do I, when I already have an extension field F1,
 extend it to F2 in a way s.t. I can reuse element from F1 in F2?

Does this do what you want?

sage: F1.a = GF(2^7)
sage: f=x^2+x+F1(1)
sage: F2=F1.extension(f,'u')
sage: F2
Univariate Quotient Polynomial Ring in u over Finite Field in a of  
size 2^7 with modulus u^2 + u + 1
sage: a in F2
True

HTH

Justin

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[sage-support] Re: formatting not saved in notebooks

2008-09-29 Thread William Stein

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Stan Schymanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear all,

 As of version 3.1.2, plots are saved correctly in notebooks. Thanks to
 those that fixed it. However, I noticed that the formatting of cells
 beginning with %hide %html is not saved. I need to re-evaluate all
 of those cells to get the formatting back. Is this a bug in SAGE or
 does it have something to do with the web browser (Firefox 3.0.3 on
 Mac OS X 10.4)?

 Thanks again for the great effort!

This is definitely a bug.  If it isn't listed at trac.sagemath.org somewhere,
I hope somebody adds it, so it will get fixed.

William

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[sage-support] Re: How do I extend an extension field?

2008-09-29 Thread daveloeffler

Here's an alternative approach:

sage: F1 = GF(2^7,'a'); F2 = GF(2^28,'b') # different names for
legibility
sage: F1.gen().minpoly().roots(F2)
[ long list ]
sage: g = F1.gen().minpoly().roots(F2)[0][0]
sage: phi = Hom(F1, F2)(g)

This is a bit roundabout, but it works. Unfortunately at present you
can't just do phi(P), although you should be able to; but you can
still create a new curve E2 over F2 and define P2 = E2([phi(u) for u
in P]).

David

On Sep 29, 4:50 pm, David Møller Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Let F2=GF(2^7,'a'), E=EllipticCurve(F1,[0,0,1,1,1]),
 P=E.random_point(), F2=GF((2^7)^4,'a')

 Purpose: I want to look at the point P in the curve over F2 instead of
 F1. So I some way I want to extend F1.

 My question is how do I, when I already have an extension field F1,
 extend it to F2 in a way s.t. I can reuse element from F1 in F2?

 /David
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[sage-support] Re: How do I extend an extension field?

2008-09-29 Thread David Møller Hansen

Thank you for you answer Justin and I should also apologize for my
badly formulated question but you understood it correctly.

I just can't get SAGE to eat the line you write f=x^2+x+F1(1), it
complains with: TypeError: unsupported operand parent(s) for '+':
'Symbolic Ring' and 'Finite Field in a of size 2^7'

/David



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[sage-support] Re: How do I extend an extension field?

2008-09-29 Thread David Møller Hansen

Thank you David. This seems to work just fine, though a bit of a
roundabout - I agree.

I do not understand why sage doesn't have a command just letting you
expand a Galois field with a arbitrary expansion degree, in my case 4.

/David
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[sage-support] Re: formatting not saved in notebooks

2008-09-29 Thread mabshoff



On Sep 29, 10:17 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Stan Schymanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Dear all,

  As of version 3.1.2, plots are saved correctly in notebooks. Thanks to
  those that fixed it. However, I noticed that the formatting of cells
  beginning with %hide %html is not saved. I need to re-evaluate all
  of those cells to get the formatting back. Is this a bug in SAGE or
  does it have something to do with the web browser (Firefox 3.0.3 on
  Mac OS X 10.4)?

  Thanks again for the great effort!

 This is definitely a bug.  If it isn't listed at trac.sagemath.org somewhere,
 I hope somebody adds it, so it will get fixed.

This does not seem to be in trac, so I made this #4217.

 William

Cheers,

Michael
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[sage-support] Re: problem with animate on OS X 10.5, Sage 3.1.2

2008-09-29 Thread John H Palmieri



On Sep 29, 7:40 am, Jason Grout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 See http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/975for a solution that is
 already put in place.  Basically, use
 $SAGE_ROOT/local/bin/sage-native-execute, which does exactly what
 mabshoff says above.

So like the following?

http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/4216

By the way, is there a way to tell which calls to os.system should use
sage-native-execute, or should we just deal with case-by-case?

  John

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[sage-support] Re: problem with animate on OS X 10.5, Sage 3.1.2

2008-09-29 Thread mabshoff



On Sep 29, 11:15 am, John H Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sep 29, 7:40 am, Jason Grout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Seehttp://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/975fora solution that is
  already put in place.  Basically, use
  $SAGE_ROOT/local/bin/sage-native-execute, which does exactly what
  mabshoff says above.

 So like the following?

 http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/4216

Yep, pretty much.

 By the way, is there a way to tell which calls to os.system should use
 sage-native-execute, or should we just deal with case-by-case?

sage-native-execute sets [DY]LD_LIBRARY_PATH depending if the binary
is in $SAGE_LOCAL/bin or not and avoids the kind of missing or
incorrect symbol problem. I would always prefer sage-native-execute
over os.system.

   John

Cheers,

Michael
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[sage-support] Re: How do I extend an extension field?

2008-09-29 Thread Justin C. Walker


On Sep 29, 2008, at 10:51 AM, David Møller Hansen wrote:


 Thank you for you answer Justin and I should also apologize for my
 badly formulated question but you understood it correctly.

 I just can't get SAGE to eat the line you write f=x^2+x+F1(1), it
 complains with: TypeError: unsupported operand parent(s) for '+':
 'Symbolic Ring' and 'Finite Field in a of size 2^7'

Any time you see 'Symbolic Ring', or something similar, in an error  
message, you have run afoul of some short-cuts built into sage to  
make things simple for those who are new to sage, or are just using  
it as a quick and dirty calculator.

The issue is that 'x' is predeclared as a symbolic calculus variable,  
and you want it to be an indeterminate for use in a polynomial ring.

My reply earlier finessed the problem by not mentioning that I  
actually had this between defining F1 and defining f:

sage: P1.x=PolynomialRing(F1)

When you do this, your polynomial will actually be an element in F1 
[x], and not some strange symbolic thing that doesn't play well with  
others :-}

In short, the correct way to do what I showed earlier is

sage: F1.a = GF(2^7)
sage: P1.x=PolynomialRing(F1)
sage: f=x^2+x+F1(1)
sage: F2=F1.extension(f,'u')
sage: F2
Univariate Quotient Polynomial Ring in u over Finite Field in a of
size 2^7 with modulus u^2 + u + 1
sage: a in F2
True

(which I just verified in a fresh run of sage 3.1.1).

Sorry for the confusion.

Justin

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[sage-support] Re: How do I extend an extension field?

2008-09-29 Thread David Møller Hansen

This is great, this is actually how I initially hoped it could be
done.

And yes - I am quite new to SAGE.

It's though still a bit messy, since when I in F2 request a
random_element() I will only get 1 or 0.

/David


On Sep 29, 9:12 pm, Justin C. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sep 29, 2008, at 10:51 AM, David Møller Hansen wrote:



  Thank you for you answer Justin and I should also apologize for my
  badly formulated question but you understood it correctly.

  I just can't get SAGE to eat the line you write f=x^2+x+F1(1), it
  complains with: TypeError: unsupported operand parent(s) for '+':
  'Symbolic Ring' and 'Finite Field in a of size 2^7'

 Any time you see 'Symbolic Ring', or something similar, in an error  
 message, you have run afoul of some short-cuts built into sage to  
 make things simple for those who are new to sage, or are just using  
 it as a quick and dirty calculator.

 The issue is that 'x' is predeclared as a symbolic calculus variable,  
 and you want it to be an indeterminate for use in a polynomial ring.

 My reply earlier finessed the problem by not mentioning that I  
 actually had this between defining F1 and defining f:

 sage: P1.x=PolynomialRing(F1)

 When you do this, your polynomial will actually be an element in F1
 [x], and not some strange symbolic thing that doesn't play well with  
 others :-}

 In short, the correct way to do what I showed earlier is

 sage: F1.a = GF(2^7)
 sage: P1.x=PolynomialRing(F1)
 sage: f=x^2+x+F1(1)
 sage: F2=F1.extension(f,'u')
 sage: F2
 Univariate Quotient Polynomial Ring in u over Finite Field in a of
 size 2^7 with modulus u^2 + u + 1
 sage: a in F2
 True

 (which I just verified in a fresh run of sage 3.1.1).

 Sorry for the confusion.

 Justin

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[sage-support] Re: formatting not saved in notebooks

2008-09-29 Thread Mike Hansen

Hello,

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Stan Schymanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As of version 3.1.2, plots are saved correctly in notebooks. Thanks to
 those that fixed it. However, I noticed that the formatting of cells
 beginning with %hide %html is not saved. I need to re-evaluate all
 of those cells to get the formatting back. Is this a bug in SAGE or
 does it have something to do with the web browser (Firefox 3.0.3 on
 Mac OS X 10.4)?

I'm not able to reproduce this on my machine.  Could you makes a
specific list of thing you do to reproduce this on your system?

Thanks,
Mike

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[sage-support] Re: How do I extend an extension field?

2008-09-29 Thread Justin C. Walker


On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:33 PM, David Møller Hansen wrote:


 This is great, this is actually how I initially hoped it could be
 done.

 And yes - I am quite new to SAGE.

 It's though still a bit messy, since when I in F2 request a
 random_element() I will only get 1 or 0.

I think 'messy' is understating things.  This seems like a bug.  I've  
created Trac #4218 for this problem.  Thanks for reporting this.

Justin

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[sage-support] aspect_ratio in 3d

2008-09-29 Thread John H Palmieri

I don't understand aspect_ratio for 3d plots, or maybe there are bugs.
If I do (from the notebook interface)

sage: var('x y')
sage: Q = plot3d(sin(x+y), (-3,3), (-2,2))
sage: Q.show()

then I get a nice picture, with a labeled frame showing x going from
-3 to 3, y from -2 to 2, z from -1 to 1. The different axes are scaled
differently, so that (for example) the x and y axes have the same
length. Also,

sage: Q.show(aspect_ratio=[1,1,1])

works as expected: the variables are displayed in the appropriate
ranges, and the axes seem to all be scaled the same. But if I do

sage: Q.show(aspect_ratio=[1,1,2])

then I get a picture with a labeled frame showing x going from -3 to
3, y going from -4 to 4 (!), z going from -2 to 2 (!), the x and z
axes scaled the same, and the y-axis is at about half the scale of the
x-axis.  This is not at all what I expected; I was thinking that
[1,1,2] would mean that the z-axis would be doubled (or maybe halved)
in scale, compared to the other two.

I'm puzzled; can anyone explain this? The documentation for
aspect_ratio in show says

(default: automatic) -- aspect ratio of the coordinate system itQ.
Give [1,1,1] to make spheres look round.

This is not helpful to me.  (And what does itQ mean? Is it a typo? Oh,
I see, it should have said itself, but self got replaced by Q.)

  John
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[sage-support] Re: How do I extend an extension field?

2008-09-29 Thread William Stein

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:54 AM, David Møller Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank you David. This seems to work just fine, though a bit of a
 roundabout - I agree.

 I do not understand why sage doesn't have a command just letting you
 expand a Galois field with a arbitrary expansion degree, in my case 4.

It's only because you haven't written it and contributed it to Sage yet. :-)

Seriously, I released Sage-0.1 in Jan 2005, just over 3 years ago, and
Sage just isn't done yet, and that's pretty much the only reason why
Sage doesn't have lots of natural things that one would like to have
yet.

 -- William

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[sage-support] Re: Lost notebook worksheets after updating

2008-09-29 Thread Rolandb

Several times I indicated the same problem but until now no action.
I just save my worksheets (around 30) manually and recover the *.sws
files one by one in the new SAGE version.
Life is hard  Roland

On 29 sep, 14:11, Daniel Loughran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am currently using sage on windows, and I recently upgraded my sage
 to the latest version, but was disappointed to discover that the
 notebook had been reset and I had lost all my worksheets.

 Is there anyway to recover them? Or to save them externally so that I
 do not lose them again? Shouldnt there be some sort of warning
 somewhere in the installation process so that you know you are going
 to lose everything?
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[sage-support] Re: Lost notebook worksheets after updating

2008-09-29 Thread William Stein

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Rolandb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Several times I indicated the same problem but until now no action.

It's definitely not due to lack of desire on our part.  It's just that there
are so many things to do, and so little time.

The simplest solution would be to add a link to the notebook that
allows one to download all the files for that notebook into a single
file (a tarball), and another link in the notebook that allows one to
upload all worksheets in such an archive.   I think this could
be implemented in a few hours.  What do people think of
this?  It would beat doing this:

 I just save my worksheets (around 30) manually and recover the *.sws
 files one by one in the new SAGE version.




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[sage-support] Re: aspect_ratio in 3d

2008-09-29 Thread William Stein

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:22 PM, John H Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't understand aspect_ratio for 3d plots, or maybe there are bugs.
 If I do (from the notebook interface)

 sage: var('x y')
 sage: Q = plot3d(sin(x+y), (-3,3), (-2,2))
 sage: Q.show()

 then I get a nice picture, with a labeled frame showing x going from
 -3 to 3, y from -2 to 2, z from -1 to 1. The different axes are scaled
 differently, so that (for example) the x and y axes have the same
 length. Also,

 sage: Q.show(aspect_ratio=[1,1,1])

 works as expected: the variables are displayed in the appropriate
 ranges, and the axes seem to all be scaled the same. But if I do

 sage: Q.show(aspect_ratio=[1,1,2])

 then I get a picture with a labeled frame showing x going from -3 to
 3, y going from -4 to 4 (!), z going from -2 to 2 (!), the x and z
 axes scaled the same, and the y-axis is at about half the scale of the
 x-axis.  This is not at all what I expected; I was thinking that
 [1,1,2] would mean that the z-axis would be doubled (or maybe halved)
 in scale, compared to the other two.

 I'm puzzled; can anyone explain this? The documentation for
 aspect_ratio in show says

 (default: automatic) -- aspect ratio of the coordinate system itQ.
 Give [1,1,1] to make spheres look round.

 This is not helpful to me.  (And what does itQ mean? Is it a typo? Oh,
 I see, it should have said itself, but self got replaced by Q.)

Try frame_aspect_ratio, which is probably what you really want
given your questions.

William

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[sage-support] Re: sageplot axis numbering

2008-09-29 Thread William Stein

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:36 AM, Munthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey

 I'm writing a paper about the trigonometric functions, using LaTeX and
 sagetex. And would therefore like to chance the the default numbering
 on the x-axis to a pi scale.

Unfortunately, this is currently not supported by the current sage
plotting infrastructure.  I wish it were.

 -- William

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[sage-support] Re: Lost notebook worksheets after updating

2008-09-29 Thread mabshoff



On Sep 29, 3:33 pm, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Rolandb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Several times I indicated the same problem but until now no action.

 It's definitely not due to lack of desire on our part.  It's just that there
 are so many things to do, and so little time.

 The simplest solution would be to add a link to the notebook that
 allows one to download all the files for that notebook into a single
 file (a tarball), and another link in the notebook that allows one to
 upload all worksheets in such an archive.   I think this could
 be implemented in a few hours.  What do people think of
 this?  It would beat doing this:

  I just save my worksheets (around 30) manually and recover the *.sws
  files one by one in the new SAGE version.

Yep, the feature request to do this is #2740.

Cheers,

Michael

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[sage-support] Re: aspect_ratio in 3d

2008-09-29 Thread William Stein

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:17 PM, John H Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sep 29, 3:51 pm, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:22 PM, John H Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Try frame_aspect_ratio, which is probably what you really want
 given your questions.

 Hmm.  You're right -- that it is probably what I really want -- but I
 still don't understand aspect_ratio.  Why, if I change aspect_ratio
 from [1,1,1] to [1,1,2], do the relative scalings of the x- and y-axes
 change?  Shouldn't only the z-axis (relative to x and y) be affected?

 I guess I find the behavior of aspect_ratio rather unpredictable. With

 P = sphere()
 P.show(aspect_ratio=[a,b,c])

 it makes sense: the coordinate system, and hence the sphere, is
 stretched by these factors.  However, with the plot that I mentioned
 in my original post, it seems to behave oddly, as mentioned above:
 changing from [1,1,1] to [1,1,2] altered the relative scales on the x
 and y axes.

If it just doesn't make sense to you, even after you've thought about it
and read the docs, then I think it's buggy!  We can talk about it when
I'm back in Seattle (e.g., tomorrow)...

 -- William

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[sage-support] Setting the bounding box on plot3d

2008-09-29 Thread Matt Rissler

Is there any way for the user to set the bounding box on plot3d?  The
basic idea is I don't want the full z-values for the function and
would like to crop some of them off.  The best I've come up with so
far without hunting through source files is:

y=var('y')
f=lambda x,y: min(x^2+y^2,4);
plot3d( f, (x,-2,2), (y,-2,2))

If not, where do I start trying to implement it?

Thanks,
Matt


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[sage-support] Re: problem with attach

2008-09-29 Thread Jan Peeters

Thanks. This answers my question completely.

On 25 sep, 19:40, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Jan Peeters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a worksheet Getaltheorie in my Worksheet List. When i give
  the command attach Getaltheorie (or attach 'Getaltheorie', or or
  attach 'Getaltheorie.sage'  or ...) in another worksheet,  i get the
  error message 'Error attaching /Users/jokr004/.sage/Getaltheorie --
  file not found'. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong but i have no idea
  how to solve it. Is there a way to load the commands defined in ane
  worksheet into another worksheet?

 There is no way  load the commands defined in one worksheet
 into another, unfortunately.

 You can however, put commands you want to be common to
 multiple worksheets in a file and attach that file.

  -- William
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