[sage-support] Re: Spam bots

2008-07-15 Thread Alec Mihailovs

> Disabled automated account creation and turn on the text captcha. Just
> because a spam bot uses a category X it has nothing to do with X. It
> seems kind of counter productive to be associated with the culprit in
> the first place. If *I* were to write a Sage spambot I would have it
> claim to be MMA as a diversion tactic ;)

That's a good advise, thank you. I'll turn on the captcha.

Alec

PS Frankly, knowing some of (young) Sage contributors (from their other 
Usenet and wiki activities), I suspected that they might have to do 
something with that spam bot - but you were very convincing, and now I am 
not that sure about that -Alec



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[sage-support] Re: Spam bots

2008-07-15 Thread mabshoff



On Jul 15, 3:13 pm, "Alec Mihailovs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I guess in the end I'm not sure what you wanted to accomplish with
> > this thread.  Are you saying that there is an individual associated to
> > the Sage project that is spamming your wiki?  Or that there is code in
> > Sage designed to spam your wiki? Or ...?
>
> First, I wanted to know if there were other similar cases known.

Any MoinMoin based wiki gets many attempts to have it defaced, that
has nothing to do with Sage. In case of the vandalism you suggested
Sage had something to do with:

 * 193.53.87.109 is from an Indian IP space
 * 78.157.143.233 is from a Latvian IP space

and I doubt anybody needs Sage to write a Spam bot in Python - if it
even were written in Python. But having posted the url here and in
other newsgroups to let people know it exists has only raise its
profile with spammers. Such is life on the internet :)

> Second, what would you do in a similar case, if say, your wiki got spammed
> with some text ending CathegoryMathematica?

Disabled automated account creation and turn on the text captcha. Just
because a spam bot uses a category X it has nothing to do with X. It
seems kind of counter productive to be associated with the culprit in
the first place. If *I* were to write a Sage spambot I would have it
claim to be MMA as a diversion tactic ;)

> Alec

Cheers,

Michael
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[sage-support] Re: Spam bots

2008-07-15 Thread Alec Mihailovs

> I guess in the end I'm not sure what you wanted to accomplish with
> this thread.  Are you saying that there is an individual associated to
> the Sage project that is spamming your wiki?  Or that there is code in
> Sage designed to spam your wiki? Or ...?

First, I wanted to know if there were other similar cases known.

Second, what would you do in a similar case, if say, your wiki got spammed 
with some text ending CathegoryMathematica?

Alec 


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[sage-support] Re: Spam bots

2008-07-15 Thread Mike Hansen

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Alec Mihailovs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That could happen, with probability 20%.

I guess in the end I'm not sure what you wanted to accomplish with
this thread.  Are you saying that there is an individual associated to
the Sage project that is spamming your wiki?  Or that there is code in
Sage designed to spam your wiki? Or ...?

--Mike

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[sage-support] Re: Spam bots

2008-07-15 Thread Alec Mihailovs

> My guess is that the spam bot wanted to assign its page to a category,
> and it can easily find the already existing categories on your wiki
> from http://mapleadvisor.com/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CategoryCategory

That could happen, with probability 20%. 

Alec

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[sage-support] Re: Spam bots

2008-07-15 Thread Mike Hansen

> Still, the spam text contained it. I don't think that a bot was searching
> for the pages in the wiki and randomly chose that one.

My guess is that the spam bot wanted to assign its page to a category,
and it can easily find the already existing categories on your wiki
from http://mapleadvisor.com/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CategoryCategory

--Mike

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[sage-support] Re: Spam bots

2008-07-15 Thread Alec Mihailovs

> First, I didn't have CategorySage there.

Correction - Just found out that I had it.

> Second, look at the added text - CategorySage was added as a part of the
> spam.

Still, the spam text contained it. I don't think that a bot was searching 
for the pages in the wiki and randomly chose that one.

Alec 


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[sage-support] Re: Spam bots

2008-07-15 Thread Alec Mihailovs

>> http://mapleadvisor.com/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrontPage?action=diff&rev1=3&rev2=4
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by Sage is being used to create spam bots.
> Since you already had a CategorySage on your wiki, I don't see any
> evidence that this is related to Sage in any way.

First, I didn't have CategorySage there.

Second, look at the added text - CategorySage was added as a part of the 
spam.

Alec 


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[sage-support] Re: Spam bots

2008-07-15 Thread Mike Hansen

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Alec Mihailovs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sage seems to be used for creating spam bots. In particular, the FrontPage
> in Maple Wiki was corrupted yesterday from 193.53.87.109 with spam ending
> with CategorySage, see
>
> http://mapleadvisor.com/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrontPage?action=diff&rev1=3&rev2=4

I'm not sure what you mean by Sage is being used to create spam bots.
Since you already had a CategorySage on your wiki, I don't see any
evidence that this is related to Sage in any way.

--Mike

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