[sage-support] Re: Why is Sage called a Computer *Algebra* system? What is def of "algebra"?

2009-05-17 Thread John H Palmieri

On May 16, 11:12 am, Chris Seberino  wrote:

> What is the definition of "algebra"? Perhaps "algebra" means something
> like "the manipulation of a finite number of objects" ?

No, that's combinatorics...

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[sage-support] Re: Why is Sage called a Computer *Algebra* system? What is def of "algebra"?

2009-05-17 Thread Chris Seberino

On May 17, 11:29 am, john_perry_usm  wrote:
> I was under the very vague impression that computer algebra systems a
> la Maple, Mathematica etc. were so-called because they started out
> emphasizing algebraic and symbolic manipulation, and so came out of
> the so-called "computer algebra" community,

Also, can't the limited calculus operations Sage performs be mapped
onto algebra?

I meana computer can't do anything involving infinity except to
treat infinity as just another variable that obeys certain algebraic
rules.

So perhaps symbol manipulation itself, which is what all computer
ultimately do, can be thought of as "just" algebra?

Chris
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[sage-support] Re: Why is Sage called a Computer *Algebra* system? What is def of "algebra"?

2009-05-17 Thread john_perry_usm

I was under the very vague impression that computer algebra systems a
la Maple, Mathematica etc. were so-called because they started out
emphasizing algebraic and symbolic manipulation, and so came out of
the so-called "computer algebra" community, as opposed to systems that
started out relying more on numerical and floating point calculation
like Matlab or MathCAD.

My less vague understanding is that those groups tend to mingle a lot
more now ("symbolic numerics" etc.) than they used to.

It seems that Wikipedia agrees:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_algebra_system#History
but for all I know I'm reading my own understanding into what they
wrote. I would be happy to be corrected.

regards
john perry

On May 16, 1:42 pm, William Stein  wrote:
> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Chris Seberino  wrote:
>
> > Sage does calculus and geometry calculations so I don't understand why
> > the term "Computer Algebra System" is so prevalent.
>
> Neither do I.  I have also always wondered why that term is used.   I
> much prefer the term "mathematics software".  That's why the
> description of Sage on the main page is "Sage is a free open-source
> mathematics software system licensed under the GPL. "
>
>  - William
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[sage-support] Re: Why is Sage called a Computer *Algebra* system? What is def of "algebra"?

2009-05-16 Thread William Stein

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Chris Seberino  wrote:
>
> Sage does calculus and geometry calculations so I don't understand why
> the term "Computer Algebra System" is so prevalent.

Neither do I.  I have also always wondered why that term is used.   I
much prefer the term "mathematics software".  That's why the
description of Sage on the main page is "Sage is a free open-source
mathematics software system licensed under the GPL. "

 - William

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[sage-support] Re: Why is Sage called a Computer *Algebra* system? What is def of "algebra"?

2009-05-16 Thread Serge A. Salamanka



Chris Seberino пишет:
> Sage does calculus and geometry calculations so I don't understand why
> the term "Computer Algebra System" is so prevalent.

Probably because it is abbreviated as CAS that is already a history to
call mathematics software.

Serge

> 
> What is the definition of "algebra"? Perhaps "algebra" means something
> like "the manipulation of a finite number of objects" ?
> 
> Chris
> 
> > 
> 

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[sage-support] Re: Why is Sage called a Computer *Algebra* system? What is def of "algebra"?

2009-05-16 Thread Jason Grout

Mike Hansen wrote:
> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Craig Citro  wrote:
>>> Sage does calculus and geometry calculations so I don't understand why
>>> the term "Computer Algebra System" is so prevalent.
> 
> I would guess for historical reasons.  On the front page of
> sagemath.org, we just use the term "mathematics software."


And also, Sage (more than many "computer algebra systems") lets you do 
algebra calculations (e.g., content found in typical undergraduate or 
graduate abstract algebra courses).

Jason


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[sage-support] Re: Why is Sage called a Computer *Algebra* system? What is def of "algebra"?

2009-05-16 Thread Mike Hansen

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Craig Citro  wrote:
>
>> Sage does calculus and geometry calculations so I don't understand why
>> the term "Computer Algebra System" is so prevalent.

I would guess for historical reasons.  On the front page of
sagemath.org, we just use the term "mathematics software."

--Mike

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[sage-support] Re: Why is Sage called a Computer *Algebra* system? What is def of "algebra"?

2009-05-16 Thread Craig Citro

> Sage does calculus and geometry calculations so I don't understand why
> the term "Computer Algebra System" is so prevalent.
>
> What is the definition of "algebra"? Perhaps "algebra" means something
> like "the manipulation of a finite number of objects" ?
>

I have a feeling this conversation should just be pre-emptively moved
to sage-flame. :)

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