Re: [sage-support] Re: Sage starts slowly
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 at 20:10, Richard W Bump wrote: > FYI, I saw your recent email comments about pulling the app, I guess from > the development site. Yes, v8.9, the app.dmg, is slow on Catalina, but no > slower than it was on Mohave. > yes, it got slow on Mojave already, as noticed in the post linked in my previous email. Again, I can't account for all the factors on my 2012 MAC-mini since it is > truly overworked. Nevertheless, I am relatively sure I installed it on > 10.13 and perhaps again on 10.14 after I messed it up playing with the > Jupiter server. I know I loaded it twice. I have loaded up to version 8.7 > as an HTPPS server on my 2011 MACBookPro, running OS 10.13.?,High Sierra, > before my wife absconded with it. I installed that from scratch using the > tz or gz file and it was speedy and had all the bells and whistles working, > but 8.7 the app version on my 2012 Mac mini was slow to start, and was a > bit sluggish in comparison to the older 2011 MACBook PRO, but again MS > Office runs significantly faster on the 2011 MACBook Pro in comparison to > the 2012 MAC-mini. I can count to ten on the latter. Realize this isn't > much of a benchmark, but hope that helps. I guess I could try a reload on > the MAC-mini, but I hate trying to fix something "that ain't broke." 8.7 > was also speedy under Fedora Linux v29 and that was using even a slower > processor. > the problem in question is MacOS-specific. > > On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 1:18:06 PM UTC-6, dim...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 12:56:45PM -0600, Thomas McMillan wrote: >> > Thanks, Richard. I’m currently running Sage from a terminal with the >> option of opening a notebook. It works reasonably well. The app version >> kept taking too long to get started. >> >> One reason for slowness might be one of these >> quarantine/antivirus/malware/etc settings on MacOS that might make all >> the app files being "verified" on statup. >> >> "proper apps", from MacOS point of view, must be signed/come >> from App Store, while the rest are subjected to these checks. >> >> So one might try to play with these settings. >> >> HTH >> Dima >> >> > >> > -- >> > Tom McMillan (iPad) >> > >> > > On Dec 10, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Richard W Bump >> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > On my late 2012 Mac-mini with a 2.6GHZ quad core I7 processor it >> takes about 3 minutes to load from the desktop ICON. I loaded 8.9 under >> the previous (10.13.?) version and it did take several minutes, probably at >> least 15 minutes, to organize and start. The last few versions of SageMath >> have been slow to start. When I have a problem as you describe, I just >> delete and reload, but with Catalina, I'm not sure how it will load. My >> machine is old and overloaded with at least two other servers running, so I >> expect slower results, some I start and stop like Sage unless I or my wife >> needs it, but two are usually constantly going. You might try deleting >> what you have, try another download site . . . I like Washington or MIT, >> that has been an issue once, reload, and step away from the machine until >> it prompts you. I have been impatient more than once and experienced >> problems. >> > > >> > >> On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:37:39 PM UTC-6, Tom wrote: >> > >> I’ve installed SageMath-8.9.app.dmg on my MAC (OS X 10.14.6). >> There was no link installed on the desktop. I tried to start Sage by double >> clicking on “SageMath-8.9” in the Applications folder. After about 3 >> hours this >> "file:///Applications/SageMath-8.9.app/Contents/Resources/loading-page.html” >> turned up in Safari. After about a half-hour more, this " >> http://localhost:/tree” opened up in a new Safari window, from which >> I appear to be able to open notebooks. >> > >> >> > >> 1. How do I set it up so I can start Sage from the desktop >> (or applications folder or dock), more quickly? >> > >> 2. How do I run sage from a command line window? >> > >> >> > >> Thanks, >> > >> >> > >> Tom >> > > >> > > -- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "sage-support" group. >> > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to sage-s...@googlegroups.com. >> > > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/c032a19f-4da2-49ed-ac00-fadef69687c4%40googlegroups.com. >> >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "sage-support" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to sage-s...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/2E8EE312-DD16-4F5A-8BE1-C4C6C6A129A9%40gmail.com. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-support" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop
Re: [sage-support] Re: Sage starts slowly
FYI, I saw your recent email comments about pulling the app, I guess from the development site. Yes, v8.9, the app.dmg, is slow on Catalina, but no slower than it was on Mohave. Again, I can't account for all the factors on my 2012 MAC-mini since it is truly overworked. Nevertheless, I am relatively sure I installed it on 10.13 and perhaps again on 10.14 after I messed it up playing with the Jupiter server. I know I loaded it twice. I have loaded up to version 8.7 as an HTPPS server on my 2011 MACBookPro, running OS 10.13.?,High Sierra, before my wife absconded with it. I installed that from scratch using the tz or gz file and it was speedy and had all the bells and whistles working, but 8.7 the app version on my 2012 Mac mini was slow to start, and was a bit sluggish in comparison to the older 2011 MACBook PRO, but again MS Office runs significantly faster on the 2011 MACBook Pro in comparison to the 2012 MAC-mini. I can count to ten on the latter. Realize this isn't much of a benchmark, but hope that helps. I guess I could try a reload on the MAC-mini, but I hate trying to fix something "that ain't broke." 8.7 was also speedy under Fedora Linux v29 and that was using even a slower processor. On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 1:18:06 PM UTC-6, dim...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 12:56:45PM -0600, Thomas McMillan wrote: > > Thanks, Richard. I’m currently running Sage from a terminal with the > option of opening a notebook. It works reasonably well. The app version > kept taking too long to get started. > > One reason for slowness might be one of these > quarantine/antivirus/malware/etc settings on MacOS that might make all > the app files being "verified" on statup. > > "proper apps", from MacOS point of view, must be signed/come > from App Store, while the rest are subjected to these checks. > > So one might try to play with these settings. > > HTH > Dima > > > > > -- > > Tom McMillan (iPad) > > > > > On Dec 10, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Richard W Bump > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On my late 2012 Mac-mini with a 2.6GHZ quad core I7 processor it takes > about 3 minutes to load from the desktop ICON. I loaded 8.9 under the > previous (10.13.?) version and it did take several minutes, probably at > least 15 minutes, to organize and start. The last few versions of SageMath > have been slow to start. When I have a problem as you describe, I just > delete and reload, but with Catalina, I'm not sure how it will load. My > machine is old and overloaded with at least two other servers running, so I > expect slower results, some I start and stop like Sage unless I or my wife > needs it, but two are usually constantly going. You might try deleting > what you have, try another download site . . . I like Washington or MIT, > that has been an issue once, reload, and step away from the machine until > it prompts you. I have been impatient more than once and experienced > problems. > > > > > >> On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:37:39 PM UTC-6, Tom wrote: > > >> I’ve installed SageMath-8.9.app.dmg on my MAC (OS X 10.14.6). There > was no link installed on the desktop. I tried to start Sage by double > clicking on “SageMath-8.9” in the Applications folder. After about 3 > hours this > "file:///Applications/SageMath-8.9.app/Contents/Resources/loading-page.html” > turned up in Safari. After about a half-hour more, this " > http://localhost:/tree” opened up in a new Safari window, from which > I appear to be able to open notebooks. > > >> > > >> 1. How do I set it up so I can start Sage from the desktop (or > applications folder or dock), more quickly? > > >> 2. How do I run sage from a command line window? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Tom > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "sage-support" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sage-s...@googlegroups.com . > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/c032a19f-4da2-49ed-ac00-fadef69687c4%40googlegroups.com. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "sage-support" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sage-s...@googlegroups.com . > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/2E8EE312-DD16-4F5A-8BE1-C4C6C6A129A9%40gmail.com. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-support" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit
Re: [sage-support] Re: Sage starts slowly
right, it was discussed here https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/nlXP6cv4LAY/MKkqEDu8BwAJ at length (Ivan works with Apple products in his day job I believe), so it's quarantine feature that kills App startup time. I think we should just pull binaries for the MacOS App, until this is fixed. On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 7:18 PM wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 12:56:45PM -0600, Thomas McMillan wrote: > > Thanks, Richard. I’m currently running Sage from a terminal with the option > > of opening a notebook. It works reasonably well. The app version kept > > taking too long to get started. > > One reason for slowness might be one of these > quarantine/antivirus/malware/etc settings on MacOS that might make all > the app files being "verified" on statup. > > "proper apps", from MacOS point of view, must be signed/come > from App Store, while the rest are subjected to these checks. > > So one might try to play with these settings. > > HTH > Dima > > > > > -- > > Tom McMillan (iPad) > > > > > On Dec 10, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Richard W Bump > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On my late 2012 Mac-mini with a 2.6GHZ quad core I7 processor it takes > > > about 3 minutes to load from the desktop ICON. I loaded 8.9 under the > > > previous (10.13.?) version and it did take several minutes, probably at > > > least 15 minutes, to organize and start. The last few versions of > > > SageMath have been slow to start. When I have a problem as you describe, > > > I just delete and reload, but with Catalina, I'm not sure how it will > > > load. My machine is old and overloaded with at least two other servers > > > running, so I expect slower results, some I start and stop like Sage > > > unless I or my wife needs it, but two are usually constantly going. You > > > might try deleting what you have, try another download site . . . I like > > > Washington or MIT, that has been an issue once, reload, and step away > > > from the machine until it prompts you. I have been impatient more than > > > once and experienced problems. > > > > > >> On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:37:39 PM UTC-6, Tom wrote: > > >> I’ve installed SageMath-8.9.app.dmg on my MAC (OS X 10.14.6). There > > >> was no link installed on the desktop. I tried to start Sage by double > > >> clicking on “SageMath-8.9” in the Applications folder. After about 3 > > >> hours this > > >> "file:///Applications/SageMath-8.9.app/Contents/Resources/loading-page.html” > > >> turned up in Safari. After about a half-hour more, this > > >> "http://localhost:/tree” opened up in a new Safari window, from > > >> which I appear to be able to open notebooks. > > >> > > >> 1. How do I set it up so I can start Sage from the desktop (or > > >> applications folder or dock), more quickly? > > >> 2. How do I run sage from a command line window? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Tom > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "sage-support" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > > email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/c032a19f-4da2-49ed-ac00-fadef69687c4%40googlegroups.com. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "sage-support" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/2E8EE312-DD16-4F5A-8BE1-C4C6C6A129A9%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-support" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/CAAWYfq1JxgwkKnag-HTh9X1jUP0qCayU4NBH-kGBifyF-jFg%2BA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [sage-support] Re: Sage starts slowly
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 12:56:45PM -0600, Thomas McMillan wrote: > Thanks, Richard. I’m currently running Sage from a terminal with the option > of opening a notebook. It works reasonably well. The app version kept taking > too long to get started. One reason for slowness might be one of these quarantine/antivirus/malware/etc settings on MacOS that might make all the app files being "verified" on statup. "proper apps", from MacOS point of view, must be signed/come from App Store, while the rest are subjected to these checks. So one might try to play with these settings. HTH Dima > > -- > Tom McMillan (iPad) > > > On Dec 10, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Richard W Bump > > wrote: > > > > > > On my late 2012 Mac-mini with a 2.6GHZ quad core I7 processor it takes > > about 3 minutes to load from the desktop ICON. I loaded 8.9 under the > > previous (10.13.?) version and it did take several minutes, probably at > > least 15 minutes, to organize and start. The last few versions of SageMath > > have been slow to start. When I have a problem as you describe, I just > > delete and reload, but with Catalina, I'm not sure how it will load. My > > machine is old and overloaded with at least two other servers running, so I > > expect slower results, some I start and stop like Sage unless I or my wife > > needs it, but two are usually constantly going. You might try deleting > > what you have, try another download site . . . I like Washington or MIT, > > that has been an issue once, reload, and step away from the machine until > > it prompts you. I have been impatient more than once and experienced > > problems. > > > >> On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:37:39 PM UTC-6, Tom wrote: > >> I’ve installed SageMath-8.9.app.dmg on my MAC (OS X 10.14.6). There was > >> no link installed on the desktop. I tried to start Sage by double clicking > >> on “SageMath-8.9” in the Applications folder. After about 3 hours this > >> "file:///Applications/SageMath-8.9.app/Contents/Resources/loading-page.html” > >> turned up in Safari. After about a half-hour more, this > >> "http://localhost:/tree” opened up in a new Safari window, from which > >> I appear to be able to open notebooks. > >> > >> 1. How do I set it up so I can start Sage from the desktop (or > >> applications folder or dock), more quickly? > >> 2. How do I run sage from a command line window? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Tom > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "sage-support" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/c032a19f-4da2-49ed-ac00-fadef69687c4%40googlegroups.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-support" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/2E8EE312-DD16-4F5A-8BE1-C4C6C6A129A9%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-support" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/20191210191801.GA13255%40hilbert.lan. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [sage-support] Re: Sage starts slowly
Thanks, Richard. I’m currently running Sage from a terminal with the option of opening a notebook. It works reasonably well. The app version kept taking too long to get started. -- Tom McMillan (iPad) > On Dec 10, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Richard W Bump wrote: > > > On my late 2012 Mac-mini with a 2.6GHZ quad core I7 processor it takes about > 3 minutes to load from the desktop ICON. I loaded 8.9 under the previous > (10.13.?) version and it did take several minutes, probably at least 15 > minutes, to organize and start. The last few versions of SageMath have been > slow to start. When I have a problem as you describe, I just delete and > reload, but with Catalina, I'm not sure how it will load. My machine is old > and overloaded with at least two other servers running, so I expect slower > results, some I start and stop like Sage unless I or my wife needs it, but > two are usually constantly going. You might try deleting what you have, try > another download site . . . I like Washington or MIT, that has been an issue > once, reload, and step away from the machine until it prompts you. I have > been impatient more than once and experienced problems. > >> On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:37:39 PM UTC-6, Tom wrote: >> I’ve installed SageMath-8.9.app.dmg on my MAC (OS X 10.14.6). There was no >> link installed on the desktop. I tried to start Sage by double clicking on >> “SageMath-8.9” in the Applications folder. After about 3 hours this >> "file:///Applications/SageMath-8.9.app/Contents/Resources/loading-page.html” >> turned up in Safari. After about a half-hour more, this >> "http://localhost:/tree” opened up in a new Safari window, from which I >> appear to be able to open notebooks. >> >> 1. How do I set it up so I can start Sage from the desktop (or >> applications folder or dock), more quickly? >> 2. How do I run sage from a command line window? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tom > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-support" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/c032a19f-4da2-49ed-ac00-fadef69687c4%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-support" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/2E8EE312-DD16-4F5A-8BE1-C4C6C6A129A9%40gmail.com.
