Re: [Samba] Participation on Samba lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dragan Krnic wrote: | My suggestion is, you lift the ban. It just doesn't | sound right. It is censorship. We do tolerate all kinds | of trolls who quote a lengthy letter for no reason other | than to approve of its content, so what's so disruptive | in Luke's letter? Dragan, This is not about Luke's proposal. If you re-read the letter again you will see many hints of his previous comments. Trolls are no big deal. And a good troll can even be fun. But lies, threats, and abusive messages both on-list and off are not the active of a responsible member of a community. This is not a moderated list, not do I ever imagine it will be. But we do out best to make it a productive list[s]. Therefore we do perform certain content filtering for SPAM. Luke's messages over the past four years always degrade into SPAM. There is much more history in this decision than one post to a mailing list. I encourage anyone who wants to understand more background to search the mailing list archives which are linked from http://www.samba.org/samba/archives.html. cheers, jerry - - Alleviating the pain of Windows(tm) --- http://www.samba.org GnuPG Key- http://www.plainjoe.org/gpg_public.asc "If we're adding to the noise, turn off this song"--Switchfoot (2003) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBwcALIR7qMdg1EfYRAhxhAKCTgBlG5FhgTQ7rDMYI3kcweIAcCACcCDiQ yFA4igvnkgfcOCc6g/1+1eE= =/aaD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Participation on Samba lists
I had the same concerns initially, but if you look through the history of his posts on the lists, they tend to always degrade into accusations and name calling in the end. Telling him it is off-topic only feeds the flames. This was discussed extensively among the team and unfortunately this seems the only reasonable thing to do at the moment. I concur with the action. Herb Samba Team Dragan Krnic wrote: Regardless of what is going on this is not right in my opinion. "So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for three months" There must be another way to work things out. Open to suggestions. We've been trying and they haven't been working out. This was the action of last resort and we regret having to resort to it. But we ran out of options. This has been going on for a long time. My suggestion is, you lift the ban. It just doesn't sound right. It is censorship. We do tolerate all kinds of trolls who quote a lengthy letter for no reason other than to approve of its content, so what's so disruptive in Luke's letter? I personally tried to read Luke's letter but gave up on issues of style, terseness and casing. I'd rather Luke had contributed some new code instead. But banning him is not right. As another suggestion, why don't you create a separate samba mail list "samba-politics" and advise a contributor who doesn't stick to samba-user problems that he/she/it is off-topic? I don't have a problem to skip a posting I'm not interested in. I do have a problem, if someone does it for me. Cheers Dragan -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Participation on Samba lists
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:45:21AM +1100, Steve Simeonidis wrote: > Regardless of what is going on this is not right in my opinion. > "So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for three months" > > There must be another way to work things out. As a quite long-term member of the Samba Team I've seen many discussions along these lines before. It was a decision not taken lightly, but from my point of view it had to be done. If you have other suggestions, please let us know. Regards, Volker Lendecke Samba Team pgpnDnpeN21Qm.pgp Description: PGP signature -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Participation on Samba lists
>> Regardless of what is going on this is not right in my opinion. >> "So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for three months" >> >> There must be another way to work things out. > Open to suggestions. We've been trying and they haven't been > working out. This was the action of last resort and we regret having > to resort to it. But we ran out of options. This has been going > on for a long time. My suggestion is, you lift the ban. It just doesn't sound right. It is censorship. We do tolerate all kinds of trolls who quote a lengthy letter for no reason other than to approve of its content, so what's so disruptive in Luke's letter? I personally tried to read Luke's letter but gave up on issues of style, terseness and casing. I'd rather Luke had contributed some new code instead. But banning him is not right. As another suggestion, why don't you create a separate samba mail list "samba-politics" and advise a contributor who doesn't stick to samba-user problems that he/she/it is off-topic? I don't have a problem to skip a posting I'm not interested in. I do have a problem, if someone does it for me. Cheers Dragan -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Participation on Samba lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for | three months, in the hope that he will re-focus his efforts on | the project he created, and not re-hash old arguments. | | The Samba Team is proud of the open way we develop the Samba code | base. Since the inception of the project in 1991 we have had a | policy of open discussion among developers, users and other | interested parties. We encourage anyone who wants to examine | our commitment to openness to examine the public mailing list | archives themselves. If anyone wants to examine the truth of | what Luke says we also encourage people to look at the public | record of all source code commits to Samba | As a member of the team, I have found nothing but open communication and a willingness to hear ideas from all involved, even those of us with little technical skill. I should know, being that I came to the team with the least in technical depth or experience. I have always found the Samba Team open and inviting of my input. In the process, I have learned much and grown in my knowledge and skill. I also know the amount of time and effort that went into the above decision. It was not one that was made lightly. It is also one I fully support. Cheers, - --deryck - -- Deryck Hodge http://www.devurandom.org/ Cataloging Department http://www.lib.auburn.edu/ Samba Team http://www.samba.org/ GnuPG Keyhttp://www.devurandom.org/gpg_pubkey.asc I am flawed but I am cleaning up so well. - --Dashboard Confessional, from "Vindicated"(2004) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBwMOW4glRK0DaE8gRAvu/AKC840PBdgt4P7bv3YxxdoFA4j9REgCg1/cN TJ6+CYWfsS3Vi4+r2YCJWmU= =kOKs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Participation on Samba lists
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:45:21AM +1100, Steve Simeonidis wrote: > Regardless of what is going on this is not right in my opinion. > "So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for three months" > There must be another way to work things out. Open to suggestions. We've been trying and they haven't been working out. This was the action of last resort and we regret having to resort to it. But we ran out of options. This has been going on for a long time. Mike -- Michael H. Warfield| (770) 985-6132 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\/\|=mhw=|\/\/ | (678) 463-0932 | http://www.wittsend.com/mhw/ NIC whois: MHW9 | An optimist believes we live in the best of all PGP Key: 0xDF1DD471| possible worlds. A pessimist is sure of it! pgpIpPSwOXD7S.pgp Description: PGP signature -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Participation on Samba lists
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:45:21AM +1100, Steve Simeonidis wrote: > Regardless of what is going on this is not right in my opinion. > "So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for three months" > > There must be another way to work things out. Well we have tried other ways and they have had limited success - this isn't something we did on the spur of the moment. It's something we discussed within the Team for a while. I understand if you disagree, but I don't think we had a choice. Cheers, Jeremy. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
RE: [Samba] Participation on Samba lists
Steve, > Regardless of what is going on this is not right in my opinion. > "So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for three months" > > There must be another way to work things out. We have tried other ways for 4 years. We didn't do this lightly. Cheers, Tridge -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
RE: [Samba] Participation on Samba lists
Regardless of what is going on this is not right in my opinion. "So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for three months" There must be another way to work things out. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Allison Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 8:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Samba] Participation on Samba lists Luke Leighton (lkcl) has brought up his arguments about control of Samba before. In October 2000 they resulted in the creation of a new Samba code branch, samba-tng, which Luke and others who agreed with his direction were free to do with as they will. Samba-tng still exists, and we in the Samba Team still wish it well, but what we can't continue to put up with is Luke still rehashing the same advocacy that resulted in the creation of samba-tng on the Samba mailing lists. We had that discussion many times, we know where it leads. So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for three months, in the hope that he will re-focus his efforts on the project he created, and not re-hash old arguments. The Samba Team is proud of the open way we develop the Samba code base. Since the inception of the project in 1991 we have had a policy of open discussion among developers, users and other interested parties. We encourage anyone who wants to examine our commitment to openness to examine the public mailing list archives themselves. If anyone wants to examine the truth of what Luke says we also encourage people to look at the public record of all source code commits to Samba We all have far too many bugs to fix and technical decisions to make to continue these distracting discussions on the main lists. Hope everyone understands, Regards, The Samba Team. About the Samba Team The Samba Team is a group of software engineers committed to the development of a top quality solution for Linux/Windows interoperability. Started in 1992, the team now consists of more than 20 developers from all over the world. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
[Samba] Participation on Samba lists
Luke Leighton (lkcl) has brought up his arguments about control of Samba before. In October 2000 they resulted in the creation of a new Samba code branch, samba-tng, which Luke and others who agreed with his direction were free to do with as they will. Samba-tng still exists, and we in the Samba Team still wish it well, but what we can't continue to put up with is Luke still rehashing the same advocacy that resulted in the creation of samba-tng on the Samba mailing lists. We had that discussion many times, we know where it leads. So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for three months, in the hope that he will re-focus his efforts on the project he created, and not re-hash old arguments. The Samba Team is proud of the open way we develop the Samba code base. Since the inception of the project in 1991 we have had a policy of open discussion among developers, users and other interested parties. We encourage anyone who wants to examine our commitment to openness to examine the public mailing list archives themselves. If anyone wants to examine the truth of what Luke says we also encourage people to look at the public record of all source code commits to Samba We all have far too many bugs to fix and technical decisions to make to continue these distracting discussions on the main lists. Hope everyone understands, Regards, The Samba Team. About the Samba Team The Samba Team is a group of software engineers committed to the development of a top quality solution for Linux/Windows interoperability. Started in 1992, the team now consists of more than 20 developers from all over the world. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
