Re: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
The help on this list is horrible. I am sorry for whining. Looking back on your questions, it seems like the cause is most likely phrasing of your issue. It has been stated often that a well crafted question with all pertinent info will get better response than a hard to understand issue. I believe yours is the latter. Granted that I didn't read all your messages, but the first two were definately the latter. You start off by posting your smb.conf, then 40+ lines of debug info, then somewhere in there is a vaugly crafted issue. You have not stated what your goal is, your system config, and/or what you have done to troubleshoot your issue, which I reiterate, has not clearly been stated either. Have you read the documentation? Have you tried to follow an example? We have a very good book on pure documentation and a book on examples, I recommend both. They are available free online and for money in print. This is a fairly high volume list, I think I had 40 messages when I logged on this morning just from overnight. The quick to answer or suggest questions get first attention, then if somebody is bored they might try to figure out what some random post was trying to infer. I can't offer any help personally, since from what I can guess, you're running an NT4 domain and having some random winbind issue, and I run neither, but if you structure your question such that somebody who does can see what your problem is, your milage may improve. -- -- Paul GiengerOffice: 701-281-1884 Applied Engineering Inc. Systems Architect Fax:701-281-1322 URL: www.ae-solutions.com mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
RE: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
I humbly submit this response: I suppose the adage You get what you pay for would be appropriate here. However, given that the Samba maintainers have bothered to set up a list for support and discussion of their software, I'd say that is far better than absolutely nothing. Add to that the reams of documentation that have been provided gratis. I will not discount your disappointment at the lack of a resolution to your problem, sir. I too, as many others I'm sure, do not always find the answers I need, especially in a timely fashion. But I challenge you to find any proprietary product where you achieve a 100% satisfactory tech response to all of your issues. I'm sure you'll be hard pressed to do so. Samba _is_ an excellent tool. One that has provided many the opportunity to maintain interoperability in diverse systems. The developers' time and effort put into this project are (probably) immeasurable. My suggestion is to read and reread any and all documentation you have and document the steps you take in building and configuring your Samba server. I know that in the past, that has improved my knowledge of the software and lessened the likelihood of me having made a mistake because I made too many changes and introduced too many variables into the equation. So it is that I propose this adage: You get as much out of something as you put into it. ry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:43 AM To: samba@lists.samba.org Subject: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help. I sent a request for help on the 21st of JanuaryI waited.I sent it again on the 24thI waited I sent the same question crafted differently on the 25th I waited. The help on this list is horrible. I am sorry for whining. I talk up open source regularly and I help when I can. but, the claim of better support from the open source community because there are so many active people is a farce I see people discussing the semantics of what uptimes should or should not be, but no help. So, I will struggle on my own a bit longer. So, I thank the Samba group for a great tool, I just can't thank them for the help, and yes, in the past I have made financial contributions to the group. Small, but more than many. Michael J Barber WPTZ/WNNE Computer Services Administrator p 518-561- x563 m 518-572-6639 f 518-561-5940 -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
RE: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
Hi, Maybe I can help reduce that disappointement. When you say in you 25th January message Directory and file permissions should probably be 700? What directory are you talking about? Home dir? If so, then your right... Still assuming you're talking only about home dirs, I assume that dirname=unix_username=win_username. If so, then it's not difficult to make a bash/perl/whatever script which does: chown -R user:Domain Users userdirectory I think this may still be the best approach. As for your comments, you should be thankful that people, who receive nothing for doing it, take their time to read your messages. I too have posted here some questions with no reply whatsoever, and that doesn't mean i'll start say that the claim of better support from the open source community because there are so many active people is a farce Best regards, Bruno Guerreiro -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: sexta-feira, 28 de Janeiro de 2005 14:43 To: samba@lists.samba.org Subject: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help. I sent a request for help on the 21st of JanuaryI waited.I sent it again on the 24thI waited I sent the same question crafted differently on the 25th I waited. The help on this list is horrible. I am sorry for whining. I talk up open source regularly and I help when I can. but, the claim of better support from the open source community because there are so many active people is a farce I see people discussing the semantics of what uptimes should or should not be, but no help. So, I will struggle on my own a bit longer. So, I thank the Samba group for a great tool, I just can't thank them for the help, and yes, in the past I have made financial contributions to the group. Small, but more than many. Michael J Barber WPTZ/WNNE Computer Services Administrator p 518-561- x563 m 518-572-6639 f 518-561-5940 I sent a request for help on the 21st of JanuaryI waited.I sent it again on the 24thI waited I sent the same question crafted differently on the 25th I waited. The help on this list is horrible. I am sorry for whining. I talk up open source regularly and I help when I can. but, the claim of better support from the open source community because there are so many active people is a farce I see people discussing the semantics of what uptimes should or should not be, but no help. So, I will struggle on my own a bit longer. So, I thank the Samba group for a great tool, I just can't thank them for the help, and yes, in the past I have made financial contributions to the group. Small, but more than many. Michael J Barber WPTZ/WNNE Computer Services Administrator p 518-561- x563 m 518-572-6639 f 518-561-5940 = This e-mail message is intended only for the personal use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not an intended recipient, you may not review, copy or distribute this message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the Hearst Information Services HelpDesk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) immediately by e-mail and delete the original message. = -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I've only joined the list recently, but please be mindful of the fact that the people on this list a dedicating their free time without any kind of incentive... Remember, getting help is a privelidge, not a constitutional right! Regards, Pascal de Bruijn http://members.home.nl/keizerflipje/sambapdc/sambapdc.pdf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I sent a request for help on the 21st of JanuaryI waited.I sent it | again on the 24thI waited I sent the same question crafted | differently on the 25th I waited. | | The help on this list is horrible. I am sorry for whining. | | I talk up open source regularly and I help when I can. but, the claim | of better support from the open source community because there are so | many active people is a farce | | I see people discussing the semantics of what uptimes should or should not | be, but no help. | | So, I will struggle on my own a bit longer. | | So, I thank the Samba group for a great tool, I just can't thank them for | the help, and yes, in the past I have made financial contributions to the | group. Small, but more than many. | | Michael J Barber | WPTZ/WNNE | Computer Services Administrator | p 518-561- x563 | m 518-572-6639 | f 518-561-5940 | | | I sent a request for help on the 21st of JanuaryI waited.I sent it | again on the 24thI waited I sent the same question crafted | differently on the 25th I waited. | | The help on this list is horrible. I am sorry for whining. | | I talk up open source regularly and I help when I can. but, the claim | of better support from the open source community because there are so | many active people is a farce | | I see people discussing the semantics of what uptimes should or should not | be, but no help. | | So, I will struggle on my own a bit longer. | | So, I thank the Samba group for a great tool, I just can't thank them for | the help, and yes, in the past I have made financial contributions to the | group. Small, but more than many. | | Michael J Barber | WPTZ/WNNE | Computer Services Administrator | p 518-561- x563 | m 518-572-6639 | f 518-561-5940 | | | | | = | This e-mail message is intended only for the personal | use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not | an intended recipient, you may not review, copy or | distribute this message. | | If you have received this communication in error, | please notify the Hearst Information Services HelpDesk | ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) immediately by e-mail and | delete the original message. | = | | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB+mXiOauq/dYfFnQRAo/PAJ9G/5yanMvWGBX5Y8/S86h0LtBH4ACdED8Q Ymh9MPU1ReZ6vcnR9h1M+d0= =H71r -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 09:27:38AM -0600, Paul Gienger wrote: Looking back on your questions, it seems like the cause is most likely phrasing of your issue. It has been stated often that a well crafted question with all pertinent info will get better response than a hard to understand issue. I believe yours is the latter. Granted that I didn't read all your messages, but the first two were definately the latter. Even well-phrased questions with debugging output and dumps frequently stay unanswered. I still cannot print with smbprint to our Domain Server, and no help here. The bugzilla entry (1481) has gone unanswered since June 2004 (that's seven months). Samba has gone the way of many successful projects: The principal developers are busy with writing books and talking at conferences while the mailing lists get flooded with clueless newbie requests. Nobody knowledgeable finds the time to answer requests at all. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 72739835 -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
On Friday 28 January 2005 11:44 am, Marc Haber wrote: Nobody knowledgeable finds the time to answer requests at all. It is so sad that you think that. This list has enabled me to set up a damned good Samba solution for my company. I read it every day because of the knowledge that it contains. It's people with bad attitudes who ruin it for the rest of us. If you don't like it, please unsubscribe. Thanks, Misty Greetings Marc -- --- -- Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 72739835 -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
RE: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
Not to start a flame war (it is starting to smell like charred flesh in here...) but I agree with Misty. In response (again, humbly) to Mr. Haber's comment: Nobody knowledgeable finds the time to answer requests at all. Then become the knowledgeable submitter. As I suggested in a previous post, read and reread any and all documentation you can find. Run tests and document every thing you do. It's helped me and I'm sure it can help others. And believe you me, I understand that as a sys admin finding time to exhaustively research a subject can be tough, near impossible. But for those of us that love what we do and are excited at the possibilities of a project like Samba (I use it as a file server and Squid authenticator), we make the time. ry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Misty Stanley-Jones Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:48 AM To: samba@lists.samba.org Subject: Re: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help. On Friday 28 January 2005 11:44 am, Marc Haber wrote: Nobody knowledgeable finds the time to answer requests at all. It is so sad that you think that. This list has enabled me to set up a damned good Samba solution for my company. I read it every day because of the knowledge that it contains. It's people with bad attitudes who ruin it for the rest of us. If you don't like it, please unsubscribe. Thanks, Misty Greetings Marc -- --- -- Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 72739835 -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
On Friday 28 January 2005 16:44, Marc Haber wrote: On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 09:27:38AM -0600, Paul Gienger wrote: Looking back on your questions, it seems like the cause is most likely phrasing of your issue. It has been stated often that a well crafted question with all pertinent info will get better response than a hard to understand issue. I believe yours is the latter. Granted that I didn't read all your messages, but the first two were definately the latter. Even well-phrased questions with debugging output and dumps frequently stay unanswered. I still cannot print with smbprint to our Domain Server, and no help here. The bugzilla entry (1481) has gone unanswered since June 2004 (that's seven months). Samba has gone the way of many successful projects: The principal developers are busy with writing books and talking at conferences while the mailing lists get flooded with clueless newbie requests. Nobody knowledgeable finds the time to answer requests at all. Not my experience one little bit! I recently hosted one of those principal developers in the UK for several weeks. Yes he *has* written books (damn good ones), and he *did* speak at conferences whilst over here - all paid for with his own money and for no fee. He even did a training course whilst over here for free, therefore contributing no revenue to set against the cost of the trip. Almost all of his *spare* time was spent working on Samba, and answering countless questions on this list. How do I know? - I watched it, he was my guest. Ever heard the phrase don't judge someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes?. I hope you don't experience this as an attack. It's not meant to be. I just want you, and the members of this list, to hear another point of view. In my view the Samba team do an excellent job, with hardly any *positive* feedback. Ever check the proportion of 'requests for support' to 'Success Stories' on your average F/L/OSS mailing list? We should all remember that before complaining about 'lack of support'. Just my 0.02 Euros. Regards, Mark Taylor Greetings Marc -- --- -- Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 72739835 -- Mark Taylor Chief Executive Officer Sirius - www.siriusit.co.uk Tel +44 (0)870 608 0063 -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 05:44:39PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Even well-phrased questions with debugging output and dumps frequently stay unanswered. I still cannot print with smbprint to our Domain Server, and no help here. The bugzilla entry (1481) has gone unanswered since June 2004 (that's seven months). Squeeky wheels get grease... If you just log a reasonable obscure bug and leave it, the likelyhood of it being addressed is low. I have many more high priority bugs (crashes, extreme performace issues, correctness issues etc.) to work on. Samba has gone the way of many successful projects: The principal developers are busy with writing books and talking at conferences while the mailing lists get flooded with clueless newbie requests. Nobody knowledgeable finds the time to answer requests at all. :-). I wish I had time to write a book :-). Jeremy. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Allison wrote: | Samba has gone the way of many successful projects: The principal | developers are busy with writing books and talking at conferences | while the mailing lists get flooded with clueless newbie requests. | Nobody knowledgeable finds the time to answer requests at all. you not serious are you ? many Samba developers still take time to monitor and respond to this list. Check the archives. The problem is the signal to noise ratio. The same questions get asked over and over again. I'll also point out that screaming the support on this list is horrible is sadly one of the best ways to get people to respond (no offense to the original poster). cheers, jerry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB+ojWIR7qMdg1EfYRAosXAKCKW1Qtop8W6CrsstA9kFOn9ISAoQCfTIRl msrZCyYD2d+prgOSNHpXUA0= =dr0a -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
Gerald (Jerry) Carter wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Allison wrote: | Samba has gone the way of many successful projects: The principal | developers are busy with writing books and talking at conferences | while the mailing lists get flooded with clueless newbie requests. | Nobody knowledgeable finds the time to answer requests at all. you not serious are you ? many Samba developers still take time to monitor and respond to this list. Check the archives. The problem is the signal to noise ratio. The same questions get asked over and over again. I'll also point out that screaming the support on this list is horrible is sadly one of the best ways to get people to respond (no offense to the original poster). cheers, jerry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB+ojWIR7qMdg1EfYRAosXAKCKW1Qtop8W6CrsstA9kFOn9ISAoQCfTIRl msrZCyYD2d+prgOSNHpXUA0= =dr0a -END PGP SIGNATURE- If you ask a question regarding a problem that cannot be solved by an easy google search, describe the problem you are facing in an understandable manner, and supply any related configuration files and/or logs you will generally get relatively prompt feedback from someone. Now and then you will have something so off the wall that nobody really has a clue -- I've sent a few out like that myself :), but such is life. I applaud not only the effort that the Samba team puts forth in regard to the product, but to what extent they *do* monitor this list and help others. Christian Merrill -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 12:47:50PM -0600, Gerald (Jerry) Carter wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Allison wrote: | Samba has gone the way of many successful projects: The principal | developers are busy with writing books and talking at conferences | while the mailing lists get flooded with clueless newbie requests. | Nobody knowledgeable finds the time to answer requests at all. Your quoting in this is wrong :-). I (obviously) didn't write this :-). Jeremy. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Allison wrote: | On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 12:47:50PM -0600, Gerald (Jerry) Carter wrote: | |-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- |Hash: SHA1 | |Jeremy Allison wrote: | || Samba has gone the way of many successful projects: The principal || developers are busy with writing books and talking at conferences || while the mailing lists get flooded with clueless newbie requests. || Nobody knowledgeable finds the time to answer requests at all. | | | Your quoting in this is wrong :-). I (obviously) | didn't write this :-). Doh! foiled again in my plans to discredit you :-) Yes. Of course that was not you. Thanks for correcting that lest it end up as a quote in some trade rag Enough of my noise for one day I think. cheers, jerry = Alleviating the pain of Windows(tm) --- http://www.samba.org GnuPG Key- http://www.plainjoe.org/gpg_public.asc I never saved anything for the swim back. Ethan Hawk in Gattaca -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFB+o6JIR7qMdg1EfYRAg8gAKCql62BzjpC5TnozyRGhnbqoHzM6ACVEH56 yKl3QaOM+St2KY+juDZlIA== =v7UK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] disappointed with complete lack of help.
On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 09:42 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sent a request for help on the 21st of JanuaryI waited.I sent it again on the 24thI waited I sent the same question crafted differently on the 25th I waited. The help on this list is horrible. I am sorry for whining. I talk up open source regularly and I help when I can. but, the claim of better support from the open source community because there are so many active people is a farce I see people discussing the semantics of what uptimes should or should not be, but no help. So, I will struggle on my own a bit longer. So, I thank the Samba group for a great tool, I just can't thank them for the help, and yes, in the past I have made financial contributions to the group. Small, but more than many. there have been many replies to this but I thought that I would pipe in with one more observation that is important to note... Anyone who could post something similar to the above should have read: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Craig -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
