Re: Fallout from the MS Anti-Trust decision.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 04 Nov 2002 6:49 pm, Richard Sharpe wrote: > I suspect that MS has lots of problems on their hands. There is a steam > roller of open source coming at them all over the world, and they have > grown big and bloated and unable to move swiftly. Not just open source, but reluctance from business to buy the latest Windows and Office products, reluctance from customers to upgrade constantly, complete failure of the XBox, losing out in the set-top-box market, not making any inroads into mobile phones. I am sure I could go on. It's not just Open Source either. Don't forget that there are other technologies out there that can help in the fight against the Borg.. J2EE for instance is way better than .NOT. > I say, lets just continue to make it easier for people to get off NT and > onto Samba on UNIX :-) I could not agree more. Active Directory is the biggest enemy here. As long as a site feels the need to base itself around AD, Windows desktops, Servers and closed proprietry software solutions will follow. This closes and bolts the door to better solutions. - -- Barry Dean Senior Computing Officer Computing Service, University of Kent -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9x5aX63PGDezn6TQRAs6IAJ9HKL2wzHmwYLJ+vu9gbb/Ev43C6ACg0uDE 1kIOdRf9HwjDB/pIgDqB2gM= =Ramc -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Fallout from the MS Anti-Trust decision -- move to an off-topic list?
The _correct_ address for LEAPBS is now in the "TO:" above. Quoting "Bryan J. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [ I welcome everyone to come discuss this on an off-topic list -- > LEAPBS. FYI, > Mr. Litt, author of Samba Unleashed, is a subscriber there (and > co-founder of > the local LUG). You don't have to be a list member to post either -- > although > be sure to CC yourself if you want to get copied on a response. ] > > Quoting "Christopher R. Hertel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I have been communicating with a lawyer friend who had some > involvement > > with the Microsoft case. Looking at the decision from the judge, we > > noted that it seems as though the prosecution failed to clearly > explain > > Open Source and its importance in the marketplace to the judge. As a > result, > > the Judge did not recognize the importance of full and open > disclosure > > of the APIs. > > And when was Open Source _ever_ represented in the case? > > That's been my "problem" with it all along. You've got a mis-mesh of > "screwed > over" 'competitors' and "we thought there was a free lunch" 'partners.' > _Never_ > was Open Source _ever_ represented. > > I have long advocated the government could do far more as Microsoft's > largest > _customer_ than the nation's _regulator_. I was surprised to see Mr. > Ralph > Nader, who I really don't think much of, agree with me on this > recently. > -- Bryan J. Smith, E.I.Contact Info: http://thebs.org A+/i-Net+/Linux+/Network+/Server+ CCNA CIWA CNA SCSA/SCWSE/SCNA --- 'In the new commercials for MSN 8, a guy dressed in a Microsoft Butterfly costume drops out of a "cocoon" ... nobody at Microsoft ... knows that a butterfly doesn't emerge from a cocoon, but a chrysalis -- moths come from cocoons ... "this should not be all that surprising since Microsoft seems to have problems recognizing bugs ..."' -- Cringely
Re: Fallout from the MS Anti-Trust decision -- move to an off-topic list?
[ I welcome everyone to come discuss this on an off-topic list -- LEAPBS. FYI, Mr. Litt, author of Samba Unleashed, is a subscriber there (and co-founder of the local LUG). You don't have to be a list member to post either -- although be sure to CC yourself if you want to get copied on a response. ] Quoting "Christopher R. Hertel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I have been communicating with a lawyer friend who had some involvement > with the Microsoft case. Looking at the decision from the judge, we > noted that it seems as though the prosecution failed to clearly explain > Open Source and its importance in the marketplace to the judge. As a result, > the Judge did not recognize the importance of full and open disclosure > of the APIs. And when was Open Source _ever_ represented in the case? That's been my "problem" with it all along. You've got a mis-mesh of "screwed over" 'competitors' and "we thought there was a free lunch" 'partners.' _Never_ was Open Source _ever_ represented. I have long advocated the government could do far more as Microsoft's largest _customer_ than the nation's _regulator_. I was surprised to see Mr. Ralph Nader, who I really don't think much of, agree with me on this recently. -- Bryan J. Smith, E.I.Contact Info: http://thebs.org A+/i-Net+/Linux+/Network+/Server+ CCNA CIWA CNA SCSA/SCWSE/SCNA --- Every year a "robin" points a gun at you and forces you to give your property to the "needy." After a couple years, the "robin" starts pocketing half of the property. After a few more years the "robin" requires you to bring twice as much, since he now needs three times as much as he passes on.
RE: Fallout from the MS Anti-Trust decision.
> I say, lets just continue to make it easier for people to get off NT and > onto Samba on UNIX :-) How about "Other OS" ? :D Memory protection are for wimps =D But yes, keep up the good work! -- Ulf Running 2.2.5 alpha on an "Other OS"
Re: Fallout from the MS Anti-Trust decision.
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Christopher R. Hertel wrote: > I have been communicating with a lawyer friend who had some involvement > with the Microsoft case. Looking at the decision from the judge, we noted > that it seems as though the prosecution failed to clearly explain Open > Source and its importance in the marketplace to the judge. As a result, > the Judge did not recognize the importance of full and open disclosure of > the APIs. I wonder if the decision is no longer relevant. I suspect that MS has lots of problems on their hands. There is a steam roller of open source coming at them all over the world, and they have grown big and bloated and unable to move swiftly. I say, lets just continue to make it easier for people to get off NT and onto Samba on UNIX :-) Regards - Richard Sharpe, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.richardsharpe.com
Fallout from the MS Anti-Trust decision.
I have been communicating with a lawyer friend who had some involvement with the Microsoft case. Looking at the decision from the judge, we noted that it seems as though the prosecution failed to clearly explain Open Source and its importance in the marketplace to the judge. As a result, the Judge did not recognize the importance of full and open disclosure of the APIs. Some discussion: http://salon.com/tech/feature/2002/11/02/microsoft_reaction/index1.html. Chris -)- -- ...the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered". -Thomas Jefferson in 1802 in a letter to then Secretary of the Treasury, Albert Gallatin
