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Re: Python 2.7 OS requirements

2016-07-30 Thread P. Larry Nelson


To the two Stevens,

Thanks for the possible solutions to this!

However, I did hear back from the grad student and his response was:

"I'm installing some python packages and need a higher version of numpy, which 
asks for python 2.7.  I'll try on CERN system. Thanks!"


Hopefully that's the last I'll hear of it  :-)
I have 4 weeks left with the U of I, I'm totally consumed working on another
project involving Docker and Shifter, and don't really have the time nor the
wherewithal to deal with it.

- Larry

Steven J. Yellin wrote on 7/30/16 8:20 PM:

Another way is to get Python-2.7.12.tar.xz from
https://www.python.org/downloads/, extract into directory Python-2.7.12 with
'tar -xJf Python-2.7.12.tar.xz', and see its README file for what to do next to
get it in /usr/local.

Steven Yellin

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Steven Haigh wrote:


You can look at virtualenv from EPEL.

You can install a separate python environment in a users home directory.

On 31/07/16 09:36, P. Larry Nelson wrote:

Hi all,

Please don't shoot the questioner (me), as I have no experience with
Python, other than knowing "what" it is and that my SL6.8 systems have
version 2.6.6 installed.

I have been asked by one of our Professors that one of his grad students
apparently needs Python 2.7.x installed on our cluster (optimally in
/usr/local, which is an NFS mounted dir everywhere).

In my brief Googling, I have not found OS requirements for 2.7.x, but
have inferred that it probably needs SL7.x.

Can anyone confirm that?
Or has anyone installed Python 2.7.x (and which .x?) on an SL6.8 system
without replacing 2.6.x?

I'm guessing this can be quite a morass to delve into as when I do a
'rpm -qa|grep -i python|wc'
It returns with 67 rpms with python in the rpm name!

If the solution is indeed simple, I might proceed, otherwise, I'm
of a tendency to reply to the Professor and student, "No way - won't work."
I think the student probably has access to CERN systems that probably
have what he's looking for.

I've followed up with that inquiry to the student and waiting to hear back.

Thanks!
- Larry




--
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Email: net...@crc.id.au
Web: https://www.crc.id.au
Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897





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Re: Python 2.7 OS requirements

2016-07-30 Thread Bruce Ferrell

Larry,

the thing about the python ecosystem is that it holds to a philosophy of  
"backwards compatibility my A**! we told we're gonna break it and we did! We 
have a new, shiny idea and
it's better. recode your already working stuff".  Not acceptable in my mind, 
but to each their own.

There can be  (often are) system utilities that depend on a particular version. 
 They tend to NOT call out version dependencies and it's quite nasty to find 
them broken...
Especially if you don't use them often.  I know, I did this a few times before 
I ran with some python-istas for a while.

What your rpm check told you is all the python packages on the system... Which 
doesn't tell which one depend on the python version and won't.

What your student will almost certainly run into, unless they are python 
experts, is their code will grab system python packages and break their code or 
have unexpected behaviors.

because you mention this is on a cluster, my number one suggestion (give them a 
VM), likely won't fly.

number two, is a /usr/local/bin of the needed version and tell them if they 
break the cluster (system packages) for the other users, You'll hand them over 
to the pitchforks and
torches crowd.  Not nice, but fun.

My condolences

On 07/30/2016 04:36 PM, P. Larry Nelson wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Please don't shoot the questioner (me), as I have no experience with
> Python, other than knowing "what" it is and that my SL6.8 systems have
> version 2.6.6 installed.
>
> I have been asked by one of our Professors that one of his grad students
> apparently needs Python 2.7.x installed on our cluster (optimally in
> /usr/local, which is an NFS mounted dir everywhere).
>
> In my brief Googling, I have not found OS requirements for 2.7.x, but
> have inferred that it probably needs SL7.x.
>
> Can anyone confirm that?
> Or has anyone installed Python 2.7.x (and which .x?) on an SL6.8 system
> without replacing 2.6.x?
>
> I'm guessing this can be quite a morass to delve into as when I do a
> 'rpm -qa|grep -i python|wc'
> It returns with 67 rpms with python in the rpm name!
>
> If the solution is indeed simple, I might proceed, otherwise, I'm
> of a tendency to reply to the Professor and student, "No way - won't work."
> I think the student probably has access to CERN systems that probably
> have what he's looking for.
>
> I've followed up with that inquiry to the student and waiting to hear back.
>
> Thanks!
> - Larry
>
>

Re: SNMP scanner?

2016-07-30 Thread Bruce Ferrell

fing is certainly an interesting tool and useful.  It found a minor misconfig 
on my network.

it *seems* nmap will do what fing does though with:

nmap -sn 

Am I the only one concerned about what appears to be a closed source utility 
that duplicates well audited utilities on their network that comes from outside 
the US (whois
fingbox.com tells me that)?

The fact that is cross platform is sort of nice, but my spidey sense is still 
tingling. Probably nothing, but...



On 07/30/2016 06:37 AM, P. Larry Nelson wrote:
> I use fing.  Wonderful tool!
>
> https://www.fingbox.com/download
>
> https://www.fingbox.com/help?c=command-line_tool=network_discovery
>
> - Larry
>
>
> ToddAndMargo wrote on 7/29/16 8:06 PM:
>> On 07/29/2016 05:21 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote:
>>>
>>> Openvas, nmap and so on
>>>
>>>
>>> 30.7.2016 2.15 ap. "ToddAndMargo" >> > kirjoitti:
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend an SNMP scanner?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Eero,
>>
>> I am trying to figure out how to do a "network discovery" with
>> snmp and nmap.  I haven't figured it out yet.  Have you done
>> this before?
>>
>> Openvas  looks very promising.  Wish it wasn't set up
>> as a virtual machine.  Makes it a bit interesting to install
>> on a flash drive.  I do know how to convert ova's to
>> qemu-kvm, but still ...
>>
>> Thank you for helping me with this!
>> -T
>>
>> -- 
>> ~~
>> Computers are like air conditioners.
>> They malfunction when you open windows
>> ~~
>>
>
>

Re: Python 2.7 OS requirements

2016-07-30 Thread Steven J. Yellin

Another way is to get Python-2.7.12.tar.xz from 
https://www.python.org/downloads/, extract into directory Python-2.7.12 
with 'tar -xJf Python-2.7.12.tar.xz', and see its README file for what to 
do next to get it in /usr/local.


Steven Yellin

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Steven Haigh wrote:


You can look at virtualenv from EPEL.

You can install a separate python environment in a users home directory.

On 31/07/16 09:36, P. Larry Nelson wrote:

Hi all,

Please don't shoot the questioner (me), as I have no experience with
Python, other than knowing "what" it is and that my SL6.8 systems have
version 2.6.6 installed.

I have been asked by one of our Professors that one of his grad students
apparently needs Python 2.7.x installed on our cluster (optimally in
/usr/local, which is an NFS mounted dir everywhere).

In my brief Googling, I have not found OS requirements for 2.7.x, but
have inferred that it probably needs SL7.x.

Can anyone confirm that?
Or has anyone installed Python 2.7.x (and which .x?) on an SL6.8 system
without replacing 2.6.x?

I'm guessing this can be quite a morass to delve into as when I do a
'rpm -qa|grep -i python|wc'
It returns with 67 rpms with python in the rpm name!

If the solution is indeed simple, I might proceed, otherwise, I'm
of a tendency to reply to the Professor and student, "No way - won't work."
I think the student probably has access to CERN systems that probably
have what he's looking for.

I've followed up with that inquiry to the student and waiting to hear back.

Thanks!
- Larry




--
Steven Haigh

Email: net...@crc.id.au
Web: https://www.crc.id.au
Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897

Re: Python 2.7 OS requirements

2016-07-30 Thread Steven Haigh

You can look at virtualenv from EPEL.

You can install a separate python environment in a users home directory.

On 31/07/16 09:36, P. Larry Nelson wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Please don't shoot the questioner (me), as I have no experience with
> Python, other than knowing "what" it is and that my SL6.8 systems have
> version 2.6.6 installed.
> 
> I have been asked by one of our Professors that one of his grad students
> apparently needs Python 2.7.x installed on our cluster (optimally in
> /usr/local, which is an NFS mounted dir everywhere).
> 
> In my brief Googling, I have not found OS requirements for 2.7.x, but
> have inferred that it probably needs SL7.x.
> 
> Can anyone confirm that?
> Or has anyone installed Python 2.7.x (and which .x?) on an SL6.8 system
> without replacing 2.6.x?
> 
> I'm guessing this can be quite a morass to delve into as when I do a
> 'rpm -qa|grep -i python|wc'
> It returns with 67 rpms with python in the rpm name!
> 
> If the solution is indeed simple, I might proceed, otherwise, I'm
> of a tendency to reply to the Professor and student, "No way - won't work."
> I think the student probably has access to CERN systems that probably
> have what he's looking for.
> 
> I've followed up with that inquiry to the student and waiting to hear back.
> 
> Thanks!
> - Larry
> 
> 

-- 
Steven Haigh

Email: net...@crc.id.au
Web: https://www.crc.id.au
Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897



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Python 2.7 OS requirements

2016-07-30 Thread P. Larry Nelson


Hi all,

Please don't shoot the questioner (me), as I have no experience with
Python, other than knowing "what" it is and that my SL6.8 systems have
version 2.6.6 installed.

I have been asked by one of our Professors that one of his grad students
apparently needs Python 2.7.x installed on our cluster (optimally in
/usr/local, which is an NFS mounted dir everywhere).

In my brief Googling, I have not found OS requirements for 2.7.x, but
have inferred that it probably needs SL7.x.

Can anyone confirm that?
Or has anyone installed Python 2.7.x (and which .x?) on an SL6.8 system
without replacing 2.6.x?

I'm guessing this can be quite a morass to delve into as when I do a
'rpm -qa|grep -i python|wc'
It returns with 67 rpms with python in the rpm name!

If the solution is indeed simple, I might proceed, otherwise, I'm
of a tendency to reply to the Professor and student, "No way - won't work."
I think the student probably has access to CERN systems that probably
have what he's looking for.

I've followed up with that inquiry to the student and waiting to hear back.

Thanks!
- Larry


--
P. Larry Nelson (217-244-9855) | IT Administrator
457 Loomis Lab | High Energy Physics Group
1110 W. Green St., Urbana, IL  | Physics Dept., Univ. of Ill.
MailTo: lnel...@illinois.edu   | http://hep.physics.illinois.edu/home/lnelson/
--
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Re: SNMP scanner?

2016-07-30 Thread ToddAndMargo


On 07/30/2016 03:31 PM, P. Larry Nelson wrote:


Same interface - different networks?  I'm afraid that's a new one on me.
Can't answer that one.



Hi Larry,

The last time I had such an issue was at a customer site where his
network was just a mess. Certain machines would only talk to certain other
machines and nobody got along together. I plugged in my FC23 direct install
stick and ran Auto Scan. The issue showed up like a sore thumb. He had
changed Internet provider and had not removed the old router from
the network. Both were in parallel with his DSL modem. He had two DHCP 
servers

on different networks (192.168.254.0/24 and 192.168.1.0/24). All the devices
showed with Autoscan with their IP addresses. Autoscan is very, very useful
in such situations.

But AutoScan is abandoned and no longer works in Fedora 24 (did in 23)
and since what goes on it Fedora, unlike Vegas, eventually winds up
in RHEL, it is unknown how much longer that will be the case. And it
starts to become an issue when you bear in mind that the "double edged"
sword of RHEL is before a real deal killer with SL 7.2 unable
to consistently recognize hard drives on C236 chipsets using RSTe
(FC24 does though) making EL 7.2 USELESS on a new server. (That nasty
bug cost me about 1000 U$D to correct.)

I reported it over on:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1353423

But, I ramble ...  (1000 U$D !AHH )


How can it be on a network and not have an IP address?
If that's doable, then again, a new one me.
Can't answer that either.



Printers that default to fixed IP's that haven't had IP's
assigned to them yet, etc..  Power hits can be fun!

Thank you for the help!
-T

Re: SNMP scanner?

2016-07-30 Thread P. Larry Nelson


ToddAndMargo wrote on 7/30/16 5:33 PM:

On 07/30/2016 03:06 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:

How is fing at finding things on the same interface that
have different networks?


I found a note in my references that fing only works on
its own network.  Rats!

But that was version 2.

What did you do to get yours to install?


On my SL5.5 system, 'rpm -ivh overlook-fing-2.2.rpm'

It just did it - no complaints.

- Larry


--
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457 Loomis Lab | High Energy Physics Group
1110 W. Green St., Urbana, IL  | Physics Dept., Univ. of Ill.
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Re: SNMP scanner?

2016-07-30 Thread ToddAndMargo



On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 03:06:48PM -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote:

ToddAndMargo wrote on 7/29/16 8:06 PM:

On 07/29/2016 05:21 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote:

Openvas, nmap and so on


30.7.2016 2.15 ap. "ToddAndMargo" > kirjoitti:

Can anyone recommend an SNMP scanner?



Hi Eero,

I am trying to figure out how to do a "network discovery" with
snmp and nmap.  I haven't figured it out yet.  Have you done
this before?

Openvas  looks very promising.  Wish it wasn't set up
as a virtual machine.  Makes it a bit interesting to install
on a flash drive.  I do know how to convert ova's to
qemu-kvm, but still ...

Thank you for helping me with this!
-T

--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~





On 07/30/2016 06:37 AM, P. Larry Nelson wrote:

I use fing.  Wonderful tool!

https://www.fingbox.com/download

https://www.fingbox.com/help?c=command-line_tool=network_discovery

- Larry

Hi Larry,

# yum localinstall overlook-fing-3.0.rpm
...
Transaction check error:
   file /usr/bin from install of fing-3.0-1.x86_64 conflicts with file from
package filesystem-3.2-20.el7.x86_64
Poop!

How is fing at finding things on the same interface that
have different networks?

And, how is it for finding things without and IP address?

Thank you for  helping me with this!
-T



On 07/30/2016 03:34 PM, Jon Brinkmann wrote:

I'm not clear on what you mean by "scanner".  Do you want to scan multiple
computers for the SNMP service?  Do you want to scan for available MIBs on
one or more computers?


I am looking to do network discovery.  Basically, everything
on the interface, regardless of what network it belongs to
or if even has an ip assigned.  Like AutoScan Network, only
not abandoned.

--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~

Re: SNMP scanner?

2016-07-30 Thread Jon Brinkmann

I'm not clear on what you mean by "scanner".  Do you want to scan multiple
computers for the SNMP service?  Do you want to scan for available MIBs on
one or more computers?

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 03:06:48PM -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote:
> >
> >ToddAndMargo wrote on 7/29/16 8:06 PM:
> >>On 07/29/2016 05:21 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Openvas, nmap and so on
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>30.7.2016 2.15 ap. "ToddAndMargo"  >>>> kirjoitti:
> >>>
> >>>Can anyone recommend an SNMP scanner?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi Eero,
> >>
> >>I am trying to figure out how to do a "network discovery" with
> >>snmp and nmap.  I haven't figured it out yet.  Have you done
> >>this before?
> >>
> >>Openvas  looks very promising.  Wish it wasn't set up
> >>as a virtual machine.  Makes it a bit interesting to install
> >>on a flash drive.  I do know how to convert ova's to
> >>qemu-kvm, but still ...
> >>
> >>Thank you for helping me with this!
> >>-T
> >>
> >>--
> >>~~
> >>Computers are like air conditioners.
> >>They malfunction when you open windows
> >>~~
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> On 07/30/2016 06:37 AM, P. Larry Nelson wrote:
> >I use fing.  Wonderful tool!
> >
> >https://www.fingbox.com/download
> >
> >https://www.fingbox.com/help?c=command-line_tool=network_discovery
> >
> >- Larry
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> # yum localinstall overlook-fing-3.0.rpm
> ...
> Transaction check error:
>   file /usr/bin from install of fing-3.0-1.x86_64 conflicts with file from
> package filesystem-3.2-20.el7.x86_64
> Poop!
>
> How is fing at finding things on the same interface that
> have different networks?
>
> And, how is it for finding things without and IP address?
>
> Thank you for  helping me with this!
> -T
>
>
>
> --
> ~~
> Computers are like air conditioners.
> They malfunction when you open windows
> ~~

Re: SNMP scanner?

2016-07-30 Thread ToddAndMargo


On 07/30/2016 03:06 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:

How is fing at finding things on the same interface that
have different networks? 


I found a note in my references that fing only works on
its own network.  Rats!

But that was version 2.

What did you do to get yours to install?

--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~

Re: SNMP scanner?

2016-07-30 Thread P. Larry Nelson


ToddAndMargo wrote on 7/30/16 5:06 PM:




ToddAndMargo wrote on 7/29/16 8:06 PM:

On 07/29/2016 05:21 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote:


Openvas, nmap and so on


30.7.2016 2.15 ap. "ToddAndMargo" > kirjoitti:

Can anyone recommend an SNMP scanner?




Hi Eero,

I am trying to figure out how to do a "network discovery" with
snmp and nmap.  I haven't figured it out yet.  Have you done
this before?

Openvas  looks very promising.  Wish it wasn't set up
as a virtual machine.  Makes it a bit interesting to install
on a flash drive.  I do know how to convert ova's to
qemu-kvm, but still ...

Thank you for helping me with this!
-T

--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~







On 07/30/2016 06:37 AM, P. Larry Nelson wrote:

I use fing.  Wonderful tool!

https://www.fingbox.com/download

https://www.fingbox.com/help?c=command-line_tool=network_discovery

- Larry


Hi Larry,

# yum localinstall overlook-fing-3.0.rpm
...
Transaction check error:
  file /usr/bin from install of fing-3.0-1.x86_64 conflicts with file from
package filesystem-3.2-20.el7.x86_64
Poop!


My fing is fing-2.2 running on an SL5.5 box which has nics connecting to
all my nets (public and NAT'ed).  Installed it years ago.

I see that fingbox.com has a .tgz file download for linux - maybe playing
with the source will work.


How is fing at finding things on the same interface that
have different networks?


Same interface - different networks?  I'm afraid that's a new one on me.
Can't answer that one.


And, how is it for finding things without and IP address?


How can it be on a network and not have an IP address?
If that's doable, then again, a new one me.
Can't answer that either.

I keep things as exceedingly simple as possible.


Thank you for  helping me with this!
-T


No prob.
- Larry








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457 Loomis Lab | High Energy Physics Group
1110 W. Green St., Urbana, IL  | Physics Dept., Univ. of Ill.
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Re: SNMP scanner?

2016-07-30 Thread ToddAndMargo



ToddAndMargo wrote on 7/29/16 8:06 PM:

On 07/29/2016 05:21 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote:


Openvas, nmap and so on


30.7.2016 2.15 ap. "ToddAndMargo" > kirjoitti:

Can anyone recommend an SNMP scanner?




Hi Eero,

I am trying to figure out how to do a "network discovery" with
snmp and nmap.  I haven't figured it out yet.  Have you done
this before?

Openvas  looks very promising.  Wish it wasn't set up
as a virtual machine.  Makes it a bit interesting to install
on a flash drive.  I do know how to convert ova's to
qemu-kvm, but still ...

Thank you for helping me with this!
-T

--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~







On 07/30/2016 06:37 AM, P. Larry Nelson wrote:

I use fing.  Wonderful tool!

https://www.fingbox.com/download

https://www.fingbox.com/help?c=command-line_tool=network_discovery

- Larry


Hi Larry,

# yum localinstall overlook-fing-3.0.rpm
...
Transaction check error:
  file /usr/bin from install of fing-3.0-1.x86_64 conflicts with file 
from package filesystem-3.2-20.el7.x86_64

Poop!

How is fing at finding things on the same interface that
have different networks?

And, how is it for finding things without and IP address?

Thank you for  helping me with this!
-T



--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~

Re: SNMP scanner?

2016-07-30 Thread P. Larry Nelson


I use fing.  Wonderful tool!

https://www.fingbox.com/download

https://www.fingbox.com/help?c=command-line_tool=network_discovery

- Larry


ToddAndMargo wrote on 7/29/16 8:06 PM:

On 07/29/2016 05:21 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote:


Openvas, nmap and so on


30.7.2016 2.15 ap. "ToddAndMargo" > kirjoitti:

Can anyone recommend an SNMP scanner?




Hi Eero,

I am trying to figure out how to do a "network discovery" with
snmp and nmap.  I haven't figured it out yet.  Have you done
this before?

Openvas  looks very promising.  Wish it wasn't set up
as a virtual machine.  Makes it a bit interesting to install
on a flash drive.  I do know how to convert ova's to
qemu-kvm, but still ...

Thank you for helping me with this!
-T

--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~




--
P. Larry Nelson (217-244-9855) | IT Administrator
457 Loomis Lab | High Energy Physics Group
1110 W. Green St., Urbana, IL  | Physics Dept., Univ. of Ill.
MailTo: lnel...@illinois.edu   | http://hep.physics.illinois.edu/home/lnelson/
--
 "Information without accountability is just noise."  - P.L. Nelson

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