Re: SL7 client for Microsoft ActiveSync
On 02/09/2015 01:40 AM, Yasha Karant wrote: My university IT department, external to any academic or research unit, has made the arbitrary decision to force us to use a Microsoft Office365 external distributed proprietary (cloud) service for official university email. Although this service nominally supports IETF SMTP and IMAP protocols, it is abysmally slow when so doing. The campus IT spokesperson has explained that only a client compliant with Microsoft ActiveSync will fully function with this imposed proprietary closed system service -- translation: if one wants reasonable speed in email, use an ActiveSync client -- probably from Microsoft. I think your campus IT spokesperson is wrong, or you are not paying enough to get good service. :-) We moved to the vaporous 365 cloud about two years ago. It has not been great. They change stuff. They move you to different 'pods'. They roll out changes to some pods and not others. They change things based on our special auth requirements and other stuff, and it breaks occasionally. Nearly always the web-based method works. Of course IE works best, but firefox works well enough also. While thunderbird downloads all the mail, which in my case and others is 10's of thousands of emails ~6 GB, it will be slow. But once synced, it is reasonably fast...certainly not as fast as having it local, but reasonable to use throughout the day. Initially they did some serious throttling of abusers that dramatically impaired use while thunderbird downloaded messages (e.g., rejecting access to Sent folder when sending msgs...retry...retry...done), but that changed about a year ago. Sometimes, often near times of Thunderbird updates but not always, something decides to invalidate all my folders and a full redownload is needed. Takes about half a day now, where before it was about a week, and thunderbird needed several restarts as something would abort and wouldn't recover.
Re: SL7 client for Microsoft ActiveSync
2015-02-09 17:33 GMT+01:00 Yasha Karant ykar...@csusb.edu: This is a SL issue in that if SL is to be used in the real world as both a workstation and as a server environment, one needs workstation applications that communicate/interoperate with those commonly available from other environments (the two primary examples being proprietary MS Windows and highly proprietary Mac OS X -- albeit the latter has BSD internals and thus can be adapted to open standards -- in addition to the various smart phone, tablet, and device environments such as Android or IOS). ​You simply can't compare this, Android and iOS Vendors pay Microsoft a lot of money to use things like Active Sync, free Linux systems dosen't. As long as Microsoft don't offer a complete license free api for using there services, the situation will stay as it is. Regards Thomas -- Linux ... enjoy the ride!
Re: SL7 client for Microsoft ActiveSync
I appreciate the various replies, some of which have been off-list. One such off list is: [Entity X} is not yet on the ActiveSync client but we have been using MS Exchange 2010 for a few years now. the linux IMAP clients were at first problematic but eventually they sorted them all out and there are plenty of people who still use thunderbird to read their mail without significant trouble except the server getting confused every once in a while. I think you can expect that office365 cloud-based email, which my wife's university already uses, will work out the imap kinks in the next bug release or two. End quote. This is a SL issue in that if SL is to be used in the real world as both a workstation and as a server environment, one needs workstation applications that communicate/interoperate with those commonly available from other environments (the two primary examples being proprietary MS Windows and highly proprietary Mac OS X -- albeit the latter has BSD internals and thus can be adapted to open standards -- in addition to the various smart phone, tablet, and device environments such as Android or IOS). Fully function is not a weasel word -- it means that if a set of services are available from some service or application -- then all of these functions can be accessed with equivalent results as if the native proprietary application were used. Evidently, using IMAP and SMTP -- open public IETF standards -- work, but very slowly, with the current MS Office365 email service. The web based interfaces are slow as well. This leaves us with the only alternative -- until MS works out the Office365 cloud based email imap kinks in the next few maintenance minor releases (bug releases). I am not holding my breath in that MS may view this as a method to force linux out of the USA professional/commercial workplace. Yasha Karant On 02/09/2015 06:03 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:40 AM, Yasha Karant ykar...@csusb.edu wrote: My university IT department, external to any academic or research unit, has made the arbitrary decision to force us to use a Microsoft Office365 external distributed proprietary (cloud) service for official university email. Although this service nominally supports IETF SMTP and IMAP protocols, it is abysmally slow when so doing. The campus IT spokesperson has explained that only a client compliant with Microsoft ActiveSync will fully function with this imposed proprietary closed system service -- translation: if one wants reasonable speed in email, use an ActiveSync client -- probably from Microsoft. It's better than some, and a lot more robust than many IT department's internal services. I've seen Linux favoring shops fail to maintain complex email services, and especially calendar functions, and had their client company finally throw in the towel and switch to Office365 or GMail. And be clear, this is not a Scientific Linux problem, it's a my company chose to use a hosted, commercial, closed mail server, and I need to deal with it. If it does straightfoward IMAP, then any of the dozens of built-in IMAP capable clients should work for email access, including the default evolution product in SL And there are hundreds of good web guidelines for evolution access to Office365: look around. What you won't get with a pure IMAP client such as my old favorite pine or other pure IMAP clients, is access to the user address search engines, calendar functions, integrated address books, etc., etc. Those matter to some folks, especially if you need to book a meeting room and can only use the Exchange clients to do so. Part of the problem is the weasel words fully function. Any client that wants to deal with the upstream office365 server is typically webscraping the webmail access. That webmail access tends to *suck* in terms of performance, especially with complex and bulky email systems. It's why even I maintain a Windows environment with an Outlook client: I find that waiting a full minute for a new filter to be enabled and waiting waiting waiting to get a refreshed screen to work with is unacceptable, and the web based access to Office365 has been unacceptable for me. But I hammer my email with many alert and notification systems and cron job reports. Is there any such client (Microsoft or otherwise) available for Linux, and in particular, SL 7? All that I found on the web is to use proprietary Microsoft Outlook under a MS Windows environment under a virtual machine (e.g., VirtualBox) under Linux -- not a solution I want for regular email service. See above. Start from evolution, which is a popular and well supported client in RHEL and in SL and work your way out to a client that works as well as you can expect. For anyone currently using (by force or choice) Microsoft ActiveSync, does it in fact support the functionality of IMAP and SMTP without staying completely with a Microsoft proprietary environment, including Microsoft
Re: where does Contacts keep its database?
On Mon, 2015-02-09 at 19:18 -0800, ToddAndMargo wrote: Hi All, Google is failing me here. Too many things are called Contacts. Does anyone know where the abandoned contact manager called Contacts stores its database? Many thanks, -T Oops, a personal contacts messup and sent to wrong list. Apologies. Can you associate a desktop environment, distro/distro version to this? It is all a bit vague and a few clues would help in the hunt. If it is Gnome 3 contacts of an older or newer version. I believe all depend on 'evolution-data-server' and local address books are stored at: ~/.local/share/evolution/addressbook/system Regards Phil -- Twitter: @philwyett Jabber (xmpp): philwy...@jappix.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
where does Contacts keep its database?
Hi All, Google is failing me here. Too many things are called Contacts. Does anyone know where the abandoned contact manager called Contacts stores its database? Many thanks, -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: Is there any data base collecting data on breakin attempts?
On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 12:41:56 -0500, hansel han...@mnstate.edu wrote: I accept it as normal many (upwards of several thousand) daily root breaking attempts. My defense is careful sshd configuration and restrictive incoming router firewall. Does anyone mantain a database of consistently offending sites (maybe a news source, such as politico or propublica)? Initial use of whois and dig for a few returned familiar countries of origin, coutries that may encourage or even sponsor some attempts. I searched the archive for breakin and failed with an without subject line qualifiers (like root) and found nothing. Thank you. mark hansel = Do you know about http://www.dshield.org ? They collect reports of attempted ssh connections, among other things. Stephen Isard
Re: SL7 client for Microsoft ActiveSync
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:40 AM, Yasha Karant ykar...@csusb.edu wrote: My university IT department, external to any academic or research unit, has made the arbitrary decision to force us to use a Microsoft Office365 external distributed proprietary (cloud) service for official university email. Although this service nominally supports IETF SMTP and IMAP protocols, it is abysmally slow when so doing. The campus IT spokesperson has explained that only a client compliant with Microsoft ActiveSync will fully function with this imposed proprietary closed system service -- translation: if one wants reasonable speed in email, use an ActiveSync client -- probably from Microsoft. It's better than some, and a lot more robust than many IT department's internal services. I've seen Linux favoring shops fail to maintain complex email services, and especially calendar functions, and had their client company finally throw in the towel and switch to Office365 or GMail. And be clear, this is not a Scientific Linux problem, it's a my company chose to use a hosted, commercial, closed mail server, and I need to deal with it. If it does straightfoward IMAP, then any of the dozens of built-in IMAP capable clients should work for email access, including the default evolution product in SL And there are hundreds of good web guidelines for evolution access to Office365: look around. What you won't get with a pure IMAP client such as my old favorite pine or other pure IMAP clients, is access to the user address search engines, calendar functions, integrated address books, etc., etc. Those matter to some folks, especially if you need to book a meeting room and can only use the Exchange clients to do so. Part of the problem is the weasel words fully function. Any client that wants to deal with the upstream office365 server is typically webscraping the webmail access. That webmail access tends to *suck* in terms of performance, especially with complex and bulky email systems. It's why even I maintain a Windows environment with an Outlook client: I find that waiting a full minute for a new filter to be enabled and waiting waiting waiting to get a refreshed screen to work with is unacceptable, and the web based access to Office365 has been unacceptable for me. But I hammer my email with many alert and notification systems and cron job reports. Is there any such client (Microsoft or otherwise) available for Linux, and in particular, SL 7? All that I found on the web is to use proprietary Microsoft Outlook under a MS Windows environment under a virtual machine (e.g., VirtualBox) under Linux -- not a solution I want for regular email service. See above. Start from evolution, which is a popular and well supported client in RHEL and in SL and work your way out to a client that works as well as you can expect. For anyone currently using (by force or choice) Microsoft ActiveSync, does it in fact support the functionality of IMAP and SMTP without staying completely with a Microsoft proprietary environment, including Microsoft proprietary software applications? See above. It's that fully functional part that you might be missing with even the best IMAP clients.
RE: Installation source not populated for SL 7.0
On Fri, 2015-02-06 at 19:39 +, Brown, Chris (GE Healthcare) wrote: try supplying inst.repo=http://ftp1.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/7.0/x86_64/os/ as a boot option (or your own local mirror if you are so equipped). - Chris -Original Message- From: owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov [mailto:owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov] On Behalf Of Lezama, Damian Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 1:29 PM To: Connie Sieh Cc: SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@LISTSERV.FNAL.GOV Subject: RE: Installation source not populated for SL 7.0 My problem is that I can't even start the installation. I can confirm that I too have had problems doing SL 7.0 net installs to VirtualBox VMs - it seems to be fine with physical machines though. I haven't yet tried the above inst.repo option. -- Mark Whidby System Administrator/Operations IT Services
RE: Installation source not populated for SL 7.0
Hi all, I remember to have installed SL 7 beta on VirtualBox VM (under SL 6 host) from web. I downloaded the web install iso; in the installer, I had to set: first my local proxy, and then the url for the packages; if I remember well, at that time it was http://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/7rolling/x86_64/os/ But now, it should be http://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/7x/x86_64/os/ I was able to install several betas this way. Of course, at each instance, one must retype everything. Good luck, Fernando Molina School of Exact and Natural Sciences University of Buenos Aires, Argentina El 2015-02-09 07:31, Mark Whidby escribió: On Fri, 2015-02-06 at 19:39 +, Brown, Chris (GE Healthcare) wrote: try supplying inst.repo=http://ftp1.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/7.0/x86_64/os/ as a boot option (or your own local mirror if you are so equipped). - Chris -Original Message- From: owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov [mailto:owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov] On Behalf Of Lezama, Damian Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 1:29 PM To: Connie Sieh Cc: SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@LISTSERV.FNAL.GOV Subject: RE: Installation source not populated for SL 7.0 My problem is that I can't even start the installation. I can confirm that I too have had problems doing SL 7.0 net installs to VirtualBox VMs - it seems to be fine with physical machines though. I haven't yet tried the above inst.repo option. -- Mark Whidby System Administrator/Operations IT Services
Re: SL7 client for Microsoft ActiveSync
On Feb 8, 2015 11:41 PM, Yasha Karant ykar...@csusb.edu wrote: My university IT department, external to any academic or research unit, has made the arbitrary decision to force us to use a Microsoft Office365 external distributed proprietary (cloud) service for official university email. Although this service nominally supports IETF SMTP and IMAP protocols, it is abysmally slow when so doing. The campus IT spokesperson has explained that only a client compliant with Microsoft ActiveSync will fully function with this imposed proprietary closed system service -- translation: if one wants reasonable speed in email, use an ActiveSync client -- probably from Microsoft. Is there any such client (Microsoft or otherwise) available for Linux, and in particular, SL 7? All that I found on the web is to use proprietary Microsoft Outlook under a MS Windows environment under a virtual machine (e.g., VirtualBox) under Linux -- not a solution I want for regular email service. For anyone currently using (by force or choice) Microsoft ActiveSync, does it in fact support the functionality of IMAP and SMTP without staying completely with a Microsoft proprietary environment, including Microsoft proprietary software applications? I am having a hard time parsing what you are asking. It is SMTP and IMAP like and it is completely proprietary. I don't know of any linux clients at this time Yasha Karant
Re: where does Contacts keep its database?
On 02/09/2015 07:18 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Hi All, Google is failing me here. Too many things are called Contacts. Does anyone know where the abandoned contact manager called Contacts stores its database? Many thanks, -T Found it: ~/.local/share/evolution/addressbook/system/addressbook.db made a change int he database, then used find . -cmin -2 -type f to find it. That was obscure! -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
