Re: Anyone fire up w8 preview in KVM?

[Todd And Margo Chester]

On 03/30/2012 09:19 AM, Christopher Tooley wrote:

I have also set up windows 8 preview in a VirtualBox environment, and it
works just fine (my host is not super fast though, so the vm was pretty
slow). Very interesting and, to me, compelling, interface; I'm wondering
how easily the average user will get used to it.


See my remarks below on the average user



Christopher Tooley
ctoo...@uvic.ca 
Systems, HEP/Astronomy UVic



Got W8 x64 Consumer Preview up and running.  I used the following
Virt-Manager set up:

   OS: W7 64 bit (as recommended by others on this group)
   Display: Spice
   Video: qxl (or Spice won't run)
   Processor configuration: copy host CPU configuration

The W8 setup looks almost identical to W7's.  I do like
the W7/W8 install as you can start it up, answer a few
questions and then walk away from it.  XP made you stick
around and answer a bunch of occupational questions.

My idea with W8 was to fire it up with no preconceptions
as a home customer would, seeing it for the first time.
I wanted to know what their initial experience would
be so I could prepare to assist them.

M$'s marketing department seems to have missed two
major points about this iPad/tablet style of interface.

1)  Apple, the champion of this kind of interface, does
not use it on its desktops.  This is not a desktop
interface.  W8 should have only been for a tablet.

2)  the iPad is PAINFULLY INTUITIVE.  It took me about
30 seconds to be configuring eMail accounts on the
first iPad that was stuck under my nose.  W8 is
the opposite.  It took me about five minutes to
figure out how to power W8 off!  (I refused to
look it up on the web; I wanted to simulate a
non-professionals experience.)

W8 is AWFUL!  It is so bad, it took my breathy away!
Swear words have not yet been created to describe it!

My big fear is that I am going to force myself to learn
this turkey and no one will buy it.

Oh yea, and the average Joe buying a PC with this turkey
on it from Costco is going to break down in tears trying
to figure it out.  (Hopefully he will call me before he
throws it out the window.)

I am rambling.  I hope the Forum Administrator does not
ding me for off topic.

Thanks to everyone for the tips and moral support.

-T

As it has been said before, and now ever more so, "Computers
are like air conditioners, they malfunction when you open windows."

Re: Anyone fire up w8 preview in KVM?

[Todd And Margo Chester]

On 03/31/2012 06:17 AM, Vladimir Mosgalin wrote:

Hi Nico Kadel-Garcia!

  On 2012.03.30 at 22:34:37 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote next:




I haven't, but just wanted to say that both VirtualBox and VMWare Player
run fine under SL6.0, and provide a much better user experience than KVM.
I've run XP and and W7 with no issues using VBox and VMWare.


KVM has allegedly gotten better, and with the direct support of our
favorite upstream vendor it may be a workable enterprise solution. But I
still find that the built-in management tools for it were designed by
monkeys actually trying to write Hamlet.


I didn't try W8 preview, but earlier W8 beta installed and worked just
fine under KVM in SL6.1, without any problems. I picked Windows 7 in
virt-manager during installation.



Thank you!

Re: Anyone fire up w8 preview in KVM?

[Nico Kadel-Garcia]

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Todd And Margo Chester <
toddandma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 03/30/2012 07:34 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Kevin Wood > > wrote:
>>
>>I haven't, but just wanted to say that both VirtualBox and VMWare
>>Player run fine under SL6.0, and provide a much better user
>>experience than KVM. I've run XP and and W7 with no issues using
>>VBox and VMWare.
>>
>> KVM has allegedly gotten better, and with the direct support of our
>> favorite upstream vendor it may be a workable enterprise solution. But I
>> still find that the built-in management tools for it were designed by
>> monkeys actually trying to write Hamlet.
>>
>
> Hi Nico,
>
>  There is truth in what you say.  Things on this front are
> getting better all the time.  Spice is getting better too.  The
> rate of development in dizzying too.
>
>  Virtualbox has a *much* cleaner interface for managing a few
>> guest environments.
>>
>
> Be careful of Virtual box.  It is a toy.  It also cost me
> my largest customer.  I am still really pissed at the way
> Oracle treated me and this problem.  *It cost me dearly*,
> as in tens of thousands of dollars of income:
>
> https://www.virtualbox.org/**ticket/8478
>
> My option and experience: only use Virtual Box as a toy.
> No mission critical stuff.
>
> I use it extensively for kickstart and PXE testing and RPM building. It's
a very useful way to get Scientific Linux environments into a Windows based
world. When your IT department does Windows installs on desktops, or you
want your home machine to stay Windows in order to run games, it's much
safer to run VirtualBox on the Windows box to get Linux build or test or
running environments. Our favorite upstream vendor's OS virtualizes *very*
well under VirtualBox and is a well supported environment. Thus Scientific
Linux virtualizes very well and I am a happy camper.

I've got half a dozen VirtualBox environments right now on my home box, to
retain access to Microsoft based utilities. (i.e., games!). And it's a lot
faster to set up VirtualBox on somebody's Windows laptop to get them access
to a working Scientific Linux environment than to do the reverse, and the
performance is better. I'm using it right now with a locally mirrored copy
of the Scientific Linux 4.9 archive for testing backports of Subversion
1.6.x. The interface is *vastly* superior to VMWare's, and easier on my
hands. (Hitting right-Ctrl to escape the virtualized window is much easier
than hitting Ctrl-Alt!)

I suspect part of the reason you had so much trouble is that you were
relying on virtualized MSSQL services on top of a Linux server.
Virtualizing proprietary database services seems fraught with
adventure. So, yes, I can see where Virtualbox might not be a good solution
there, especially if you're virtualizing multiple CPU environments. (I
generally don't, just for safety's sake and to limit resource consumption
by virtual environments.)

Re: Anyone fire up w8 preview in KVM?

[Vladimir Mosgalin]

Hi Nico Kadel-Garcia!

 On 2012.03.30 at 22:34:37 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote next:

> 
> > I haven't, but just wanted to say that both VirtualBox and VMWare Player
> > run fine under SL6.0, and provide a much better user experience than KVM.
> > I've run XP and and W7 with no issues using VBox and VMWare.
> >
> KVM has allegedly gotten better, and with the direct support of our
> favorite upstream vendor it may be a workable enterprise solution. But I
> still find that the built-in management tools for it were designed by
> monkeys actually trying to write Hamlet.

I didn't try W8 preview, but earlier W8 beta installed and worked just
fine under KVM in SL6.1, without any problems. I picked Windows 7 in
virt-manager during installation.

-- 

Vladimir

Re: Anyone fire up w8 preview in KVM?

[Todd And Margo Chester]

On 03/30/2012 07:34 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Kevin Wood mailto:kevin_v_w...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

I haven't, but just wanted to say that both VirtualBox and VMWare
Player run fine under SL6.0, and provide a much better user
experience than KVM. I've run XP and and W7 with no issues using
VBox and VMWare.

KVM has allegedly gotten better, and with the direct support of our
favorite upstream vendor it may be a workable enterprise solution. But I
still find that the built-in management tools for it were designed by
monkeys actually trying to write Hamlet.


Hi Nico,

  There is truth in what you say.  Things on this front are
getting better all the time.  Spice is getting better too.  The
rate of development in dizzying too.


Virtualbox has a *much* cleaner interface for managing a few
guest environments.


Be careful of Virtual box.  It is a toy.  It also cost me
my largest customer.  I am still really pissed at the way
Oracle treated me and this problem.  *It cost me dearly*,
as in tens of thousands of dollars of income:

https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/8478

My option and experience: only use Virtual Box as a toy.
No mission critical stuff.

-T

Re: Anyone fire up w8 preview in KVM?

[Nico Kadel-Garcia]

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Kevin Wood  wrote:

> I haven't, but just wanted to say that both VirtualBox and VMWare Player
> run fine under SL6.0, and provide a much better user experience than KVM.
> I've run XP and and W7 with no issues using VBox and VMWare.
>
KVM has allegedly gotten better, and with the direct support of our
favorite upstream vendor it may be a workable enterprise solution. But I
still find that the built-in management tools for it were designed by
monkeys actually trying to write Hamlet.

Virtualbox has a *much* cleaner interface for managing a few
guest environments.

Re: Anyone fire up w8 preview in KVM?

[Christopher Tooley]

I have also set up windows 8 preview in a VirtualBox environment, and it works 
just fine (my host is not super fast though, so the vm was pretty slow). Very 
interesting and, to me, compelling, interface; I'm wondering how easily the 
average user will get used to it.

Christopher Tooley
ctoo...@uvic.ca<mailto:ctoo...@uvic.ca>
Systems, HEP/Astronomy UVic


On 2012-03-30, at 4:08 AM, Kevin Wood wrote:

I haven't, but just wanted to say that both VirtualBox and VMWare Player run 
fine under SL6.0, and provide a much better user experience than KVM. I've run 
XP and and W7 with no issues using VBox and VMWare.


From: Todd And Margo Chester 
mailto:toddandma...@gmail.com>>
To: Scientific Linux Users 
mailto:SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@listserv.fnal.gov>>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:10 PM
Subject: Anyone fire up w8 preview in KVM?

Hi All,

Anyone fire up Windows 8 Consumer Preview in KVM?
Any tips, suggestions?

Many thanks,
-T

Re: Anyone fire up w8 preview in KVM?

[Kevin Wood]

I haven't, but just wanted to say that both VirtualBox and VMWare Player run 
fine under SL6.0, and provide a much better user experience than KVM. I've run 
XP and and W7 with no issues using VBox and VMWare.




 From: Todd And Margo Chester 
To: Scientific Linux Users  
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:10 PM
Subject: Anyone fire up w8 preview in KVM?
 
Hi All,

Anyone fire up Windows 8 Consumer Preview in KVM?
Any tips, suggestions?

Many thanks,
-T

Anyone fire up w8 preview in KVM?

[Todd And Margo Chester]

Hi All,

Anyone fire up Windows 8 Consumer Preview in KVM?
Any tips, suggestions?

Many thanks,
-T