Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Reprisal

[Astromancer]

Halliburton? I thought you said Hal Holbrook!
  
Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  My bad, for killing the surprise. Still, hope you enjoy it. And, to 
really make you happy, Halliburton is footing the bill.

Just don't tell *them* that...

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(sigh) The cat's out of the bag...

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh 
Yeah

Martin wrote:
>
> Astro, is that plan still on to hack the SDI sytem once it comes 
> online, to etch her image onto the Moon's surface?
>
> Oops. That was a secret, wasn't it?
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> Pour it on guys, the ego is blowing up
>
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > What you said.
> >
> > Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> > wrote: I
> > found out she's a natural blonde, Martin...Broke my heart too! She was
> > one stunning brunette...but not as gorgeous as Tracey...(wink!)
> >
> > Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > wrote: Tracey, I didn't like her
> > shift to blonde hair. I never do, and don't see the appeal in it. I
> > know all about the Blonde Mystique, and have been snared by it a time
> > or three, but I still don't like it.
> >
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > > wrote: I did not see
> > her attractiveness until she did Gallactica
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
>  wrote:
> > > She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as
> > Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the
> > level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my
> > eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me.
> > Wish I knew why...
> > > Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who
> > played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago...
> > >
> > > -- Original message --
> > > From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > >
> > > Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did
> > p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run.
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> 
> > wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue.
> > > i could see a return to "Xena", though, as a TV movie
> > >
> > > -- Original message --
> > > From: "Mike Street"
> > >
> > >
> > >> I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that
> > to bring
> > >> it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans.
> > This is
> > >> probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we
> > should
> > >> let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a
> > fan and i
> > >> personally don't want to see a movie version of it.
> > >>
> > >> On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very
> > physical
> > >>> being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a
> > world of
> > >>> monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl
> > fighting
> > >>> overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a
> > little old
> > >>> for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's "old" mind you, just wonder
> > if she'd
> > >>> still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will
> > Buffy be
> > >>> married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job?
> > >>>
> > >>> -- Original message --
> > >>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > >
> > >>> Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal
> > >>> http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 
> 
> >  >
> > >>> By Julie Pyle
> > >>>
> > >>> Fans might still be demanding a return from "Buffy The Vampire
> > Slayer,"
> > >>> but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now
> > >>> that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven 
> years,
> > >>> isn't sure she even wants to return to the role … even if 
> > >>> it
> > hits the
> > >>> big screen.
> > >>>
> > >>> "I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,"Gellar said
> > in an
> > >>> interview to Moviehole. "Buffy was a movie and it didn't work 
> because
> > >>> her story was longer than tha

Re: [scifinoir2] Heroes finale

[Gymfig]

I never liked X-men. They would always cry about being mutants. Give me 
Avengers any day.  How can you not have really good heroes if you don't have 
really 
go villains? That is what is lacking if SCI Fi and fantasy. Really good 
villains.  Killing Linderman off was a bad idea. I never liked heroes but I 
liked 
the part when Linderman was in the kitchen cooking. How many bad guys cook?
Everyone left when he wanted to talk. That is true power. 
 
What other bad guys are left?  Is Elle turning good now?  I think all TV 
shows are going down the drain because they kill of the bad guys and make the 
good 
guys self righteous. 
 



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[scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

[B. Smith]

Adam from this season was a very interesting villain.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I never liked X-men. They would always cry about being mutants. 
Give me 
> Avengers any day.  How can you not have really good heroes if you 
don't have really 
> go villains? That is what is lacking if SCI Fi and fantasy. Really 
good 
> villains.  Killing Linderman off was a bad idea. I never liked 
heroes but I liked 
> the part when Linderman was in the kitchen cooking. How many bad 
guys cook?
> Everyone left when he wanted to talk. That is true power. 
>  
> What other bad guys are left?  Is Elle turning good now?  I think 
all TV 
> shows are going down the drain because they kill of the bad guys 
and make the good 
> guys self righteous. 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] 'Moonlight' On Path To Renewal

[Martin]

D'OH!
   
  Old age. Avoid the trip, if at all possible...

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Harmon's Partner is a Black Man I think and there are two Asians in 
it 
as well. The woman who played Hoshi is a regular and there is another 
Asian woman who is a recurring character

Martin wrote:
>
> Neither have I. Admittedly, there are only two Black faces on it, and 
> one is the husband of the chief medical examiner. She, however, is 
> very much on the ball in he rprofession. The last original ep, she 
> attended a wedding, and left the autopsies to a "top-flight" 
> replacement, a White woman, who botched the work thoroughly, forcing 
> her to redo the work over a fax line and cellphone to clear the case.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote: I saw the 
> Women's Murder Club or the first time on Saturday. I kind of
> like it. I remember there was a discussion on the list when the show
> first aired about whether the show was racist. While I have read the
> Angie Harmon is a right-wing, religious extremist and I tend to think
> of them as racist, I did not see any overt racism on the show.
>
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > Tracey, I admit that I haven't ventured near it since the pilot,
> > secondarily because it failed to hook me right of, primarily because
> > "Women's Murder Club", airing opposite it, did.
> >
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > > wrote: I thought it was
> > a weak Angel rip off, when I first watched it, but
> > after the third episode, it began improving every week and I'm surprised
> > to tell you that I like it. It still does not come close to Angel, but
> > the storylines are getting better, they are starting to create their own
> > unique and interesting mythology and the characters are starting to
> > evolve. I remember there being at least one or two other ans on the 
> list.
> >
> > 'Moonlight' On Path To Renewal
> > http://www.syfyportal.com/news424510.html 
> 
> >  >
> >
> > By MICHAEL HINMAN
> > Source: Hollywood Reporter
> > Dec-04-2007
> >
> > Garlic may not repel it, sunshine may not kill it, and Moonves won't
> > cancel it.
> >
> > It looks like "Moonlight" is close to earning a second season renewal
> > from CBS, one of two new shows network chief Les Moonves says he feels
> > will make a return in 2008.
> >
> > Moonves spent some time talking to The Hollywood Reporter about the fall
> > season, which has been dismal in terms of new shows for nearly all the
> > networks. NBC probably took the biggest hit, but CBS hasn't fared too
> > well either. In fact, the only other show that would probably earn a
> > renewal is the comedy "Big Bang Theory."
> >
> > "That's Hall of Fame batting," Moonves said, saying two hits out of five
> > swings was something he was proud of. Shows like "Moonlight" represented
> > a risky move for the network, but probably not as risky as the musical
> > "Viva Laughlin," which only lasted a few episodes before CBS yanked it
> > from the schedule.
> >
> > "It was a Hail Mary pass," said Moonves, shifting his analogies from
> > baseball to football. "We took it. We'll continue to do that. We
> > continue to feel very bullish about the network television business."
> >
> > "Moonlight" has been one of fall's most consistent genre series.
> > Although it's the least-watched CBS program on Friday night, it still is
> > doing almost as well as "Heroes" on NBC and "Pushing Daisies" on ABC in
> > terms of overnight ratings. Its household rating fell to a series low in
> > its third episode, but has never really come close since, sitting a
> > little more than half a rating point off its series premiere numbers.
> > "Bionic Woman," on the other hand, has not been so lucky for NBC. That
> > show has lost more than half of its premiere audience, and continues to
> > post series lows.
> >
> > "Moonlight" airs Fridays at 9 p.m. ET on CBS.
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will
> > get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
> > Without A Country"
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Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Reprisal

[Martin]

Chairface Chippendale Himself.
   
  Da-dwee-dadada-Dwee-DOW!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  There was an episode of "The Tick" animated series where a villian was going 
to use a giant laser to carve his name onto the moon. In typical Tick fashion, 
he and Arthur arrived too late to completely save the day: the villain (was it 
"Chairface"?) was able to carve a couple letters in the Moon before they 
stopped him. As Tick was celebrating a victory, Arthur is looking with chagrin 
at the Lunar surface. The cool thing is, in all subsequent eps, that carving 
was shown on the surface of the Moon!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
My bad, for killing the surprise. Still, hope you enjoy it. And, to really make 
you happy, Halliburton is footing the bill.

Just don't tell *them* that...

Astromancer wrote:
(sigh) The cat's out of the bag...

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: Oh Yeah

Martin wrote:
>
> Astro, is that plan still on to hack the SDI sytem once it comes 
> online, to etch her image onto the Moon's surface?
>
> Oops. That was a secret, wasn't it?
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> > > wrote:
> Pour it on guys, the ego is blowing up
>
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > What you said.
> >
> > Astromancer 
> > wrote: I
> > found out she's a natural blonde, Martin...Broke my heart too! She was
> > one stunning brunette...but not as gorgeous as Tracey...(wink!)
> >
> > Martin 
> > > wrote: Tracey, I didn't like her
> > shift to blonde hair. I never do, and don't see the appeal in it. I
> > know all about the Blonde Mystique, and have been snared by it a time
> > or three, but I still don't like it.
> >
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > 
> > > wrote: I did not see
> > her attractiveness until she did Gallactica
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:
> > > She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as
> > Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the
> > level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my
> > eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me.
> > Wish I knew why...
> > > Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who
> > played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago...
> > >
> > > -- Original message --
> > > From: Martin > 
> > >
> > > Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did
> > p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run.
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue.
> > > i could see a return to "Xena", though, as a TV movie
> > >
> > > -- Original message --
> > > From: "Mike Street"
> > >
> > >
> > >> I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that
> > to bring
> > >> it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans.
> > This is
> > >> probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we
> > should
> > >> let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a
> > fan and i
> > >> personally don't want to see a movie version of it.
> > >>
> > >> On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very
> > physical
> > >>> being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a
> > world of
> > >>> monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl
> > fighting
> > >>> overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a
> > little old
> > >>> for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's "old" mind you, just wonder
> > if she'd
> > >>> still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will
> > Buffy be
> > >>> married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job?
> > >>>
> > >>> -- Original message --
> > >>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > >
> > >>> Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal
> > >>> http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 
> 
> > > >
> > >>> By Julie Pyle
> > >>>
> > >>> Fans might still be demanding a return from "Buffy The Vampire
> > Slayer,"
> > >>> but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now
> > >>> that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven 
> years,
> > >>> isn't sure she even wants to return to the role … even if 
> > >>> it
> > hits the
> > >>> big screen.
> > >>>
> > >>> "I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,"Gellar said
> > in an
> > >>> interview to Moviehole. "Buffy was a movie and it didn't work 
> because
> > >>> her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you 
> had to
> > >>> get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the
> > ending so
> > >>> that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not
> > >>> saying no, but my fear would be to open something li

Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Reprisal

[Martin]

He's their front man.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Halliburton? I thought you said 
Hal Holbrook!

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My bad, for killing the surprise. Still, hope you enjoy it. And, to really make 
you happy, Halliburton is footing the bill.

Just don't tell *them* that...

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(sigh) The cat's out of the bag...

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh 
Yeah

Martin wrote:
>
> Astro, is that plan still on to hack the SDI sytem once it comes 
> online, to etch her image onto the Moon's surface?
>
> Oops. That was a secret, wasn't it?
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> Pour it on guys, the ego is blowing up
>
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > What you said.
> >
> > Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> > wrote: I
> > found out she's a natural blonde, Martin...Broke my heart too! She was
> > one stunning brunette...but not as gorgeous as Tracey...(wink!)
> >
> > Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > wrote: Tracey, I didn't like her
> > shift to blonde hair. I never do, and don't see the appeal in it. I
> > know all about the Blonde Mystique, and have been snared by it a time
> > or three, but I still don't like it.
> >
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > > wrote: I did not see
> > her attractiveness until she did Gallactica
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
>  wrote:
> > > She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as
> > Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the
> > level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my
> > eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me.
> > Wish I knew why...
> > > Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who
> > played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago...
> > >
> > > -- Original message --
> > > From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > >
> > > Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did
> > p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run.
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> 
> > wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue.
> > > i could see a return to "Xena", though, as a TV movie
> > >
> > > -- Original message --
> > > From: "Mike Street"
> > >
> > >
> > >> I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that
> > to bring
> > >> it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans.
> > This is
> > >> probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we
> > should
> > >> let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a
> > fan and i
> > >> personally don't want to see a movie version of it.
> > >>
> > >> On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very
> > physical
> > >>> being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a
> > world of
> > >>> monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl
> > fighting
> > >>> overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a
> > little old
> > >>> for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's "old" mind you, just wonder
> > if she'd
> > >>> still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will
> > Buffy be
> > >>> married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job?
> > >>>
> > >>> -- Original message --
> > >>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > >
> > >>> Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal
> > >>> http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 
> 
> >  >
> > >>> By Julie Pyle
> > >>>
> > >>> Fans might still be demanding a return from "Buffy The Vampire
> > Slayer,"
> > >>> but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now
> > >>> that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven 
> years,
> > >>> isn't sure she even wants to return to the role … even if 
> > >>> it
> > hits the
> > >>> big screen.
> > >>>
> > >>> "I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,"Gellar said
> > in an
> > >>> interview to Moviehole. "Buffy was a movie and it 

Re: [scifinoir2] "Metropolis" Remake Planned

[Martin]

Mike, that is scary in its possible truth...

Mike Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Cause Hollywood has lost it's 
way. I might as well go get the rights
to M.A.S.K. or to Gem and the Holograms..find a pop star and produce
the movie.

On Dec 10, 2007 9:25 PM, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, Keith, it sucked bilge water. And, again, I'm forced to quote my
> should-be-patented mantra...
>
> "Why?"
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Didn't "Alexander" suck? Of course, the director and writer matter more. I
> have no clue what tack they'll take for this one. Part of feels this is
> about as iffy as someone trying to remake "Citizen Kane".
>
> -- Original message --
> From: "Mike Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Producer Thomas Schuehly ("Alexander") has acquired the remake rights
> to Fritz Lang's 1927 silent sci-fi classic "Metropolis" reports
> Variety.
>
> Considered one of the most expensive films of its time, the movie is
> set in 2026 in a massive city-state characterized by its monumental
> skyscrapers and art-deco architecture.
>
> The film depicts the class struggle between the wealthy society of
> planners and thinkers, who live in luxury high above the Earth, and
> the workers, who live underground, toiling to sustain the lives of the
> privileged.
>
> Schuehly and Mario Kassar are currently in negotiations with a number
> of top directors to helm the pic, with a final decision expected in
> the next few months.
>
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[scifinoir2] Batman on the Batpod from Dark Knight Movie

[Mike Street]

http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/10/new-dark-knight-photo-batman-rides-his-batpod/

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I like dam as a villain.  It would have been good to see more of him 
during his villainy instead of his drunken period

B. Smith wrote:
>
> Adam from this season was a very interesting villain.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > I never liked X-men. They would always cry about being mutants.
> Give me
> > Avengers any day. How can you not have really good heroes if you
> don't have really
> > go villains? That is what is lacking if SCI Fi and fantasy. Really
> good
> > villains. Killing Linderman off was a bad idea. I never liked
> heroes but I liked
> > the part when Linderman was in the kitchen cooking. How many bad
> guys cook?
> > Everyone left when he wanted to talk. That is true power.
> >
> > What other bad guys are left? Is Elle turning good now? I think
> all TV
> > shows are going down the drain because they kill of the bad guys
> and make the good
> > guys self righteous.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **See AOL's top rated recipes
> > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304 
> )
> >
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[scifinoir2] Amazon Kindle 'a Bit Sad,' Designer Says

[ravenadal]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140474-c,electronics/article.html

Amazon Kindle 'a Bit Sad,' Designer Says

French designer Philippe Starck has proclaimed Amazon.com's Kindle e-
book reader "almost modern" but "a bit sad."

James Niccolai, IDG News Service

Tuesday, December 11, 2007 09:15 AM PST

Philippe Starck, the French designer who champions simplicity over 
form, has proclaimed Amazon's Kindle e-book reader "almost modern" 
but "a bit sad."

Starck was a speaker at the Le Web 3 social-networking conference 
outside Paris on Tuesday. After an energetic, rambling speech about 
modern design, he was handed a Kindle by the technology blogger 
Robert Scoble and asked what he thought of it.

"In this type of product, the best design is the least design 
possible," said Starck. That means it should be small, simple and 
strong, and not distract from the content, which should be the most 
interesting part.

The Kindle almost achieves that, "but the designer wasn't quite 
humble enough to completely disappear, so he made a little slope 
here, a diagonal there," Starck said. "It's a little sad because the 
concept is modern, but the design is less modern, because the 
designer doesn't want to disappear."

"No no," he concluded, "it is almost modern."

The Kindle launched last month for US$399 and allows people to 
download books and newspapers over a wireless network. It is a fairly 
plain device with a large screen, a keyboard and gently sloping sides 
designed to make it comfortable to hold.

"Our top design objective was for Kindle to disappear in your hands --
 to get out of the way -- so you can enjoy your reading," CEO Jeff 
Bezos said last month.

Amazon should consider it got off lightly from the critique. Earlier 
in his speech Starck said most products today are designed only for 
profit and without consideration for those who use them. They are "10 
percent useful and 10 percent [expletive]," he said.

His speech was billed as "What is social about design" and bore 
little relation to high technology, although it was probably the most 
entertaining speech of the day and got the most laughs, touching on 
furniture designed for sex, Viagra, and the evolution of design over 
4 billion years.

"I try to make furniture that makes my friends have better sex," he 
said, adding that he plans to get married next Saturday.

Re: [scifinoir2] Amazon Kindle 'a Bit Sad,' Designer Says

[Martin]

I was one of the first folks to leap into the notion of online book reading. I 
ahve the Gutenberg site bookmarked, and I used to frequent many online places 
featuring fiction. I stopped because I don't have the time to downloasd stuff 
anymore. I just can't see this working, despite its portability.

ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140474-c,electronics/article.html

Amazon Kindle 'a Bit Sad,' Designer Says

French designer Philippe Starck has proclaimed Amazon.com's Kindle e-
book reader "almost modern" but "a bit sad."

James Niccolai, IDG News Service

Tuesday, December 11, 2007 09:15 AM PST

Philippe Starck, the French designer who champions simplicity over 
form, has proclaimed Amazon's Kindle e-book reader "almost modern" 
but "a bit sad."

Starck was a speaker at the Le Web 3 social-networking conference 
outside Paris on Tuesday. After an energetic, rambling speech about 
modern design, he was handed a Kindle by the technology blogger 
Robert Scoble and asked what he thought of it.

"In this type of product, the best design is the least design 
possible," said Starck. That means it should be small, simple and 
strong, and not distract from the content, which should be the most 
interesting part.

The Kindle almost achieves that, "but the designer wasn't quite 
humble enough to completely disappear, so he made a little slope 
here, a diagonal there," Starck said. "It's a little sad because the 
concept is modern, but the design is less modern, because the 
designer doesn't want to disappear."

"No no," he concluded, "it is almost modern."

The Kindle launched last month for US$399 and allows people to 
download books and newspapers over a wireless network. It is a fairly 
plain device with a large screen, a keyboard and gently sloping sides 
designed to make it comfortable to hold.

"Our top design objective was for Kindle to disappear in your hands --
to get out of the way -- so you can enjoy your reading," CEO Jeff 
Bezos said last month.

Amazon should consider it got off lightly from the critique. Earlier 
in his speech Starck said most products today are designed only for 
profit and without consideration for those who use them. They are "10 
percent useful and 10 percent [expletive]," he said.

His speech was billed as "What is social about design" and bore 
little relation to high technology, although it was probably the most 
entertaining speech of the day and got the most laughs, touching on 
furniture designed for sex, Viagra, and the evolution of design over 
4 billion years.

"I try to make furniture that makes my friends have better sex," he 
said, adding that he plans to get married next Saturday.



 


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[scifinoir2] Kindles sold out!

[ravenadal]

>From Amazon.com

Kindle Availability:

Due to heavy customer demand, Kindle is sold out. Because orders are 
prioritized on a first-come, first-served basis, please ORDER NOW to 
reserve your place in line. Your Kindle will not arrive by December 
24th. Note that Kindles cannot currently be sold or shipped to 
customers living outside of the U.S. 


The Black Prince.  The Black Church. A State of Mind.
http://www.theworldebon.com

[scifinoir2] Re: CBS Has Its Eye On 'Dexter'

[ravenadal]

I am a huge "Dexter" fan.  I am particularly fascinated with how the 
actor Michael C. Hall plays 180 degrees away from the fey David 
Fisher character he played on "Six Feet Under."  As Dexter Morgan, 
Hall is a noble savage; virile, full of testosterone and, yes, 
dangerous.  He excretes a quiet menace that is palpable.  Women are 
attracted to it, from his hard as nails lieutenant, played by Lauren 
Velez (in the best role of her life), the harried single mother of 
two (Julie Benz) to his danger- junky substance abuse sponsor (the 
very hot Jaime Murray).  And men are challenged by it (the muscular 
Erik King as his nemesis Sgt. Doakes).  

The more you watch Dexter, the more you realize he is not the only 
one which a moral code that has been grafted onto their true nature.
He is not the only one struggling against inner demons while trying 
to do the right thing.  Dexter is a monster but ir is not his 
character who does the most monstrous things.

(It is near impossible to defend Lt. Laquerta's systematic and brutal 
psychological destruction of her rival).

And, unlike cable series that do shocking things just to be shocking 
("Nip/Tuck," anybody?), "Dexter" is often truly shocking - the way 
real life is sometimes shocking.  The way real life can sometimes 
deliver that sucker punch you were not expecting.  The way life can 
knock you out when you are looking the other way.

Dexter knocks me out.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Any Dexter Fans here.  Since I got disgusted with Showtime for 
> continuing to repeatedly abandon its speculative fiction series, I 
never 
> got a chance to check out Dexter.  However a two weeks ago, after 
really 
> getting into the movie Mr. Brooks, I decided to check it out.  I 
rented 
> the first four episodes of the first season and I am hooked.  Are 
any of 
> you into this show.  The strike is forcing CBS, to air it on its 
main 
> network.
> 
> By MICHAEL HINMAN
> Source: TV Week
> Dec-04-2007
> http://www.syfyportal.com/news424509.html
> Just as the Writers Guild of America strike was about to begin, 
various 
> news outlets -- including SyFy Portal -- talked about how the major 
> broadcast networks may look to their cable properties to help fill 
out 
> their winter and spring schedules.
> 
> CBS was the first to publicly admit they are doing just that as 
they are 
> looking at ways of bringing shows like "Dexter" and "Weeds" over in 
> sanitized form from Showtime.
> 
> CBS is looking to bring the series starring Michael C. Hall as a 
Miami 
> Police Department investigator who murders bad guys in his spare 
time. 
> Showtime has had an increase of more than 1 million subscribers in 
the 
> past year with David Duchovny's new series, "Californication," 
recently 
> picking up a foreign distribution deal worth $800,000 ... per 
episode.
> Click here to find out more!
> 
> Les Moonves, president and chief executive of CBS Corp., teased the 
> possibility of moving Showtime programming to CBS at the 35th 
Annual 
> Global Media & Communications Conference in New York City, 
according to 
> TV Week.
> 
> Whether other networks follow suit with their cable channels is 
more of 
> a matter of "when" than "if" it seems, which means reruns of shows 
like 
> "Battlestar Galactica" and "Eureka" could end up on the NBC 
schedule.
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

[ravenadal]

I had every episode of this season's "Heroes" saved on my DVR.  I got 
behind in my viewing, needed to free up some space, and deleted every 
episode of "Heroes" I had saved.  Did not suffer one minute of remorse.

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey 
L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No body said anything about the Heroes Finale last week.  Wow, things 
> sure have changes since last season.  Any thoughts?
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

[ravenadal]

I am so tired of this argument because it is diversionary.  The truth 
of the matter is this: the only difference between uneducated white 
people and uneducated black people is that uneducated white people 
have jobs.

The only difference between educated white people and educated black 
people is that educated white people have BETTER jobs.

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> All Brains Are the Same Color
> By RICHARD E. NISBETT
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/opinion/09nisbett.html?
pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=opinion
> Ann Arbor, Mich.
> 
> JAMES WATSON, the 1962 Nobel laureate, recently asserted that he 
was 
> “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” and its 
citizens 
> because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their 
> intelligence is the same as ours â€" whereas all the testing says 
not really.”
> 
> Dr. Watson’s remarks created a huge stir because they implied 
that 
> blacks were genetically inferior to whites, and the controversy 
resulted 
> in his resignation as chancellor of Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. 
But 
> was he right? Is there a genetic difference between blacks and 
whites 
> that condemns blacks in perpetuity to be less intelligent?
> 
> The first notable public airing of the scientific question came in 
a 
> 1969 article in The Harvard Educational Review by Arthur Jensen, a 
> psychologist at the University of California, Berkeley. Dr. Jensen 
> maintained that a 15-point difference in I.Q. between blacks and 
whites 
> was mostly due to a genetic difference between the races that could 
> never be erased. But his argument gave a misleading account of the 
> evidence. And others who later made the same argument â€" Richard 
> Herrnstein and Charles Murray in “The Bell Curve,” in 1994, for 
example, 
> and just recently, William Saletan in a series of articles on Slate 
â€" 
> have made the same mistake.
> 
> In fact, the evidence heavily favors the view that race differences 
in 
> I.Q. are environmental in origin, not genetic.
> 
> The hereditarians begin with the assertion that 60 percent to 80 
percent 
> of variation in I.Q. is genetically determined. However, most 
estimates 
> of heritability have been based almost exclusively on studies of 
> middle-class groups. For the poor, a group that includes a 
substantial 
> proportion of minorities, heritability of I.Q. is very low, in the 
range 
> of 10 percent to 20 percent, according to recent research by Eric 
> Turkheimer at the University of Virginia. This means that for the 
poor, 
> improvements in environment have great potential to bring about 
> increases in I.Q.
> 
> In any case, the degree of heritability of a characteristic tells 
us 
> nothing about how much the environment can affect it. Even when a 
trait 
> is highly heritable (think of the height of corn plants), 
modifiability 
> can also be great (think of the difference growing conditions can 
make).
> 
> Nearly all the evidence suggesting a genetic basis for the I.Q. 
> differential is indirect. There is, for example, the evidence that 
brain 
> size is correlated with intelligence, and that blacks have smaller 
> brains than whites. But the brain size difference between men and 
women 
> is substantially greater than that between blacks and whites, yet 
men 
> and women score the same, on average, on I.Q. tests. Likewise, a 
group 
> of people in a community in Ecuador have a genetic anomaly that 
produces 
> extremely small head sizes â€" and hence brain sizes. Yet their 
> intelligence is as high as that of their unaffected relatives.
> 
> Why rely on such misleading and indirect findings when we have much 
more 
> direct evidence about the basis for the I.Q. gap? About 25 percent 
of 
> the genes in the American black population are European, meaning 
that 
> the genes of any individual can range from 100 percent African to 
mostly 
> European. If European intelligence genes are superior, then blacks 
who 
> have relatively more European genes ought to have higher I.Q.’s 
than 
> those who have more African genes. But it turns out that skin color 
and 
> “negroidness” of features â€" both measures of the degree of a 
black 
> person’s European ancestry â€" are only weakly associated with 
I.Q. (even 
> though we might well expect a moderately high association due to 
the 
> social advantages of such features).
> 
> During World War II, both black and white American soldiers 
fathered 
> children with German women. Thus some of these children had 100 
percent 
> European heritage and some had substantial African heritage. Tested 
in 
> later childhood, the German children of the white fathers were 
found to 
> have an average I.Q. of 97, and those of the black fathers had an 
> average of 96.5, a trivial difference.
> 
> If European genes conferred an advantage, we would expect that the 
> smartest blacks would have s

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

[Mike Street]

I like well developed villains. I think Magneto is excellent cause he has a
clear cut purpose, a past, and goal with what he's trying to do. Or the
Joker cause he's nut's and can't tell right from wrong anymore. I do think
the good guys are to GOOD. I always wanted the Legion of Doom to kick the
good guys ass once and a while..just for a reality check. My favorite was
when Batman got his ass kicked and was out and the Azreal came in to take
his place and was kicking everyone ass. Them stupid Batman comes back to
kick his ass. I was like this is bull shit. I personally like the eviler
Batman and was hoping that Bruce Wane would retire for good.


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I posted this as an add on to the revelation that Watson is 16% Black 
and 8% Asian.  the articles were circulating together

ravenadal wrote:
>
> I am so tired of this argument because it is diversionary. The truth
> of the matter is this: the only difference between uneducated white
> people and uneducated black people is that uneducated white people
> have jobs.
>
> The only difference between educated white people and educated black
> people is that educated white people have BETTER jobs.
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> , "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > All Brains Are the Same Color
> > By RICHARD E. NISBETT
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/opinion/09nisbett.html? 
> 
> pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=opinion
> > Ann Arbor, Mich.
> >
> > JAMES WATSON, the 1962 Nobel laureate, recently asserted that he
> was
> > ⤽inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa� and its
> citizens
> > because ⤽all our social policies are based on the fact that their
> > intelligence is the same as ours â¤" whereas all the testing says
> not really.�
> >
> > Dr. Watsonâ¤^(TM)s remarks created a huge stir because they implied
> that
> > blacks were genetically inferior to whites, and the controversy
> resulted
> > in his resignation as chancellor of Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory.
> But
> > was he right? Is there a genetic difference between blacks and
> whites
> > that condemns blacks in perpetuity to be less intelligent?
> >
> > The first notable public airing of the scientific question came in
> a
> > 1969 article in The Harvard Educational Review by Arthur Jensen, a
> > psychologist at the University of California, Berkeley. Dr. Jensen
> > maintained that a 15-point difference in I.Q. between blacks and
> whites
> > was mostly due to a genetic difference between the races that could
> > never be erased. But his argument gave a misleading account of the
> > evidence. And others who later made the same argument â¤" Richard
> > Herrnstein and Charles Murray in ⤽The Bell Curve,� in 1994, for
> example,
> > and just recently, William Saletan in a series of articles on Slate
> â¤"
> > have made the same mistake.
> >
> > In fact, the evidence heavily favors the view that race differences
> in
> > I.Q. are environmental in origin, not genetic.
> >
> > The hereditarians begin with the assertion that 60 percent to 80
> percent
> > of variation in I.Q. is genetically determined. However, most
> estimates
> > of heritability have been based almost exclusively on studies of
> > middle-class groups. For the poor, a group that includes a
> substantial
> > proportion of minorities, heritability of I.Q. is very low, in the
> range
> > of 10 percent to 20 percent, according to recent research by Eric
> > Turkheimer at the University of Virginia. This means that for the
> poor,
> > improvements in environment have great potential to bring about
> > increases in I.Q.
> >
> > In any case, the degree of heritability of a characteristic tells
> us
> > nothing about how much the environment can affect it. Even when a
> trait
> > is highly heritable (think of the height of corn plants),
> modifiability
> > can also be great (think of the difference growing conditions can
> make).
> >
> > Nearly all the evidence suggesting a genetic basis for the I.Q.
> > differential is indirect. There is, for example, the evidence that
> brain
> > size is correlated with intelligence, and that blacks have smaller
> > brains than whites. But the brain size difference between men and
> women
> > is substantially greater than that between blacks and whites, yet
> men
> > and women score the same, on average, on I.Q. tests. Likewise, a
> group
> > of people in a community in Ecuador have a genetic anomaly that
> produces
> > extremely small head sizes â¤" and hence brain sizes. Yet their
> > intelligence is as high as that of their unaffected relatives.
> >
> > Why rely on such misleading and indirect findings when we have much
> more
> > direct evidence about the basis for the I.Q. gap? About 25 percent
> of
> > the genes in the American black population are European, meaning
> that
> > the genes of any individual can range from 100 percent African to
> mostly
> > European. If European intelligence genes are superior, then blacks
> who
> > have relatively more European genes ought to have higher I.Q.â¤^(TM)s
> than
> > those who have more African genes. But it turns out that skin color
> and
> > ⤽negroidnessâ¤? of features â¤" both measures of the degree of a
> black
> > personâ¤^(TM)s European ancestry â¤" are only weakly associated with
> I.Q. (even
> > though we might well expect a moderately high association due to
> the
> > social advantages of such features).
> >
> > During World War II, both black and white American soldiers
> fathered
> > children with German women. Thus some o

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

[Daryle]

This is an interesting  discussion.

I think Magneto is one of the worst villains ever, because I believe just
the opposite is true: I don¹t think we EVER  know what  his motivation is.
He¹s forever collaborating with other people! He¹s never  clearly  been
defined as ³I¹m gonna wipe out humanity² because there have been PLENTY of
opportunities and he hasn¹t taken advantage of them.

I think there are  events that  make for a super villain. That¹s why ³Civil
War² was so great. It turned Reed Richards and Tony Stark into the greatest
Super Villains of all time.

Batman is sort of hard to put in a ³greatest villains² discussion, as he has
no special abilities to  protect him.  And so you will  find him getting his
butt kicked on a pretty regular  basis since the 50s. So  if your main
nemesis is a crazy rich dude in a cape...you  can pretty much just keep
pressing  and take the losses until the numbers catch up and you  get  close
enough to  kill him (or his trusty sidekick, which, as you know, has
happened) -- end of story.

Marvel has consistently  had the best  bad guys -- to me. And As I¹ve said
before, I think ³Heroes² is a Marvel-styled story arc. I like the bad guy/s
in ³Heroes². 

On 12/11/07 4:51 PM, "Mike Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> I like well developed villains. I think Magneto is excellent cause he has a
> clear cut purpose, a past, and goal with what he's trying to do. Or the
> Joker cause he's nut's and can't tell right from wrong anymore. I do think
> the good guys are to GOOD. I always wanted the Legion of Doom to kick the
> good guys ass once and a while..just for a reality check. My favorite was
> when Batman got his ass kicked and was out and the Azreal came in to take
> his place and was kicking everyone ass. Them stupid Batman comes back to
> kick his ass. I was like this is bull shit. I personally like the eviler
> Batman and was hoping that Bruce Wane would retire for good.
> 
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Favorite Villian Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

One of my favorite villians is Ra's Al Ghul from Batman.  He seems to be 
one of the more fleshed out villains.  I love his back flash stories and 
how they reveal his motivations.his relationship with Batman is 
never Black and White.  

Mike Street wrote:
>
> I like well developed villains. I think Magneto is excellent cause he 
> has a
> clear cut purpose, a past, and goal with what he's trying to do. Or the
> Joker cause he's nut's and can't tell right from wrong anymore. I do think
> the good guys are to GOOD. I always wanted the Legion of Doom to kick the
> good guys ass once and a while..just for a reality check. My favorite was
> when Batman got his ass kicked and was out and the Azreal came in to take
> his place and was kicking everyone ass. Them stupid Batman comes back to
> kick his ass. I was like this is bull shit. I personally like the eviler
> Batman and was hoping that Bruce Wane would retire for good.
>
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>
>  


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