Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Joy and Anger on This Momentous Day

[Gymfig]

 
In a message dated 6/3/2008 11:00:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

This is an historic moment we should all celebrate, regardless of color, 
gender, or political leanings. We are witness to something that has not 
happened 
in all the centuries of the Republic. Whatever else you think or feel or look 
forward to, take a moment, just a moment, and really think about the power of 
this time. This is a time all our ancestors--those who cried and died and 
suffered and prayed and looked to Heaven--prayed for, a time when someone who 
looked like them could stand for the highest office in the land. 

I hope they're all looking down and smiling.

I doubt it would be so historic if she had won the nomination. Color trumps 
gender in terms of emotion. It would not seen as monumental or emotional for 
the country. She is still white. Maybe that is why her supporters are ticked 
off. A man of a different color is still a man. 
 
Oh well, on to November
 



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[KeithBJohnson]

Gonna be brief for a change. Obama gave a phenomenal speech tonight, McCain was 
boring and seemed like someone making bad jokes saying "Is this mic on?", and 
Hillary ruined a chance to be seen as a someone who'd have Obama's back. By 
pointing out that she won "more" votes than he, by listing all *her* 
accomplishments over the years, by the insulting ploy of asking her supporters 
to e-mail her and tell her "what to do" (translation: start a 'Make Hillary the 
VP' campaign), by refusing to even congratulate Barak (which she could have 
done even without a concession), and by completely ignoring and failing to 
comment on the historic nature of a man of color getting the nod, she 
completely lost the chance to mend fences. It was a divisive, self-serving, 
churlish, sulking speech. I have been amazed--amazed--at how some of her female 
supporters have shown so much hatred for Barak, and tonight will only serve to 
stir them up. Hillary continues to show *why* she shouln't be the VP candidate
. Even assuming she'd help obama get the White House ( a big "if" given her 
negative ratings and baggage) soon as they got in she'd start plotting against 
him. And crazy bill--no way I'd want that man around! I say she should not get 
the nod, and tonight she put down a memory of the kind of person she can be 
that will never be forgotten.

And as for Obama, i don't know what will happen, if he'll win, or if the racism 
in America will see him defeated. Whatever happens, i am *incredibly* proud and 
happy that a man of color is really running for President! This is an historic 
moment we should all celebrate, regardless of color, gender, or political 
leanings. We are witness to something that has not happened in all the 
centuries of the Republic. Whatever else you think or feel or look forward to, 
take a moment, just a moment, and really think about the power of this time. 
This is a time all our ancestors--those who cried and died and suffered and 
prayed and looked to Heaven--prayed for, a time when someone who looked like 
them could stand for the highest office in the land. 

I hope they're all looking down and smiling.

Okay, I did my choked up moment, cried my tear of joy, sang hosanans to Heaven. 
Now it's time to get to work! :)

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: *Still* Confident in My Manhood - My SATC Experience

[KeithBJohnson]

interesting viewpoint. I do find it interesting that gay men write shows like 
SATC and Desperate Housewives. Gay men domintate the fashion industry too. 
Intereting, and again, i found it interestint the writer for SATC said he felt 
it was time to add a Black woman to the cast...

-- Original message -- 
From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The movie isn't as raunchy as the raunchiest of the series, but it 
has some moments. The opening has cuts from the series, and shows 
Samantha saying something so foul I can't repeat it here.>>

Thanks! I was curious about the raunch content, especially in 
regards to my daughter's viewing.

> How do you feel the women act like homosexual men?>>

SITC has been called a post-feminist fantasy which is interesting 
because it is my contention that Carrie Bradshaw and her sisters are 
homosexual men in drag. Think about it. When is the last time you 
have seen women act the way Bradshaw's posse does? They have 
frequent and uninhibited sex with a seemingly unending stream of 
eager lovers. Hook up, go to bed/hook up, go to bed - the next 
conquest is always right around the corner. The SITC quartet are 
practically homosexual archtypes: Samantha is the older sexual 
predator, Carrie is the hot "pretty one," Miranda is the smart, 
serious one and Charlotte is the "nice" one. In addition, many of 
the story lines are TLAS (true life adventure stories) the homosexual 
writers lived before they fictionalized the events and changed the 
gender (Navy week, anyone?). Further, the sobriquet "Mr. Big" is 
straight out of homosexual mythos. 

I could go on...

~rave!


 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who novels

[Martin]

rave, it's about fifty-fifty on that count. Didn't think that so many fans 
would take umbrage at the thought that the Doctor might be half-human...

ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I hope you get 
a free beer.
 
 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "marian_changling" 
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > I downloaded Lungbarrow to my Palm.  Haven't gotten through it yet.
 > 
 > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin  wrote:
 > >
 > > My favorite is "Lungbarrow" by Marc Platt, which I've learned 
 will 
 > either get you a free beer from a fellow fan or something large 
 thrown 
 > at your head. After that, "Human Nature", "The Left-Handed 
 Hummingbird" 
 > by Kate Orman, "Birthright" by Nigel Robinson, "All-Consuming Fire" 
 by 
 > Andy Lane, "The Infinity Doctors" by Lance Parkin and "Unnatural 
 > History" by Jonathon Blum and Kate Orman".
 > > 
 > >
 >
 
 
 
   


"There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get 
organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
Country"
   

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[ravenadal]

I hope you get a free beer.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "marian_changling" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I downloaded Lungbarrow to my Palm.  Haven't gotten through it yet.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin  wrote:
> >
> > My favorite is "Lungbarrow" by Marc Platt, which I've learned 
will 
> either get you a free beer from a fellow fan or something large 
thrown 
> at your head. After that, "Human Nature", "The Left-Handed 
Hummingbird" 
> by Kate Orman, "Birthright" by Nigel Robinson, "All-Consuming Fire" 
by 
> Andy Lane, "The Infinity Doctors" by Lance Parkin and "Unnatural 
> History" by Jonathon Blum and Kate Orman".
> > 
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: *Still* Confident in My Manhood - My SATC Experience

[ravenadal]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The movie isn't as raunchy as the raunchiest of the series, but it 
has some moments. The opening has cuts from the series, and shows 
Samantha saying something so foul I can't repeat it here.>>

Thanks!  I was curious about the raunch content, especially in 
regards to my daughter's viewing.

> How do you feel the women act like homosexual men?>>

SITC has been called a post-feminist fantasy which is interesting 
because it is my contention that Carrie Bradshaw and her sisters are 
homosexual men in drag.  Think about it.  When is the last time you 
have seen women act the way Bradshaw's posse does?  They have 
frequent and uninhibited sex with a seemingly unending stream of 
eager lovers.   Hook up, go to bed/hook up, go to bed - the next 
conquest is always right around the corner.  The SITC quartet are 
practically homosexual archtypes: Samantha is the older sexual 
predator, Carrie is the hot "pretty one," Miranda is the smart, 
serious one and Charlotte is the "nice" one.  In addition, many of 
the story lines are TLAS (true life adventure stories) the homosexual 
writers lived before they fictionalized the events and changed the 
gender (Navy week, anyone?).  Further, the sobriquet "Mr. Big" is 
straight out of homosexual mythos.  

I could go on...

~rave!

[scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who novels

[marian_changling]

I downloaded Lungbarrow to my Palm.  Haven't gotten through it yet.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My favorite is "Lungbarrow" by Marc Platt, which I've learned will 
either get you a free beer from a fellow fan or something large thrown 
at your head. After that, "Human Nature", "The Left-Handed Hummingbird" 
by Kate Orman, "Birthright" by Nigel Robinson, "All-Consuming Fire" by 
Andy Lane, "The Infinity Doctors" by Lance Parkin and "Unnatural 
History" by Jonathon Blum and Kate Orman".
> 
>

Re: [scifinoir2] FW: [ Latina Teacher Fired for teaching about Malcom X

[yinka oyekunle]

Thats outrageous!!  I'm sorry but where is this happening at & what can we do 
to help?


--- On Tue, 6/3/08, Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [scifinoir2] FW: [ Latina Teacher Fired for teaching about Malcom X
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'Albert Fields'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL 
> PROTECTED], "CINQUE " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Cleo'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
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> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'Kera'" <[EMAIL 
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> Smith'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Whitney J Evans'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]
> Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 3:20 PM
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of
> josexlara
> Sent: Mon 6/2/2008 8:56 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [latinosineducation] Latina Teacher Fired for
> teaching about Malcom
> X
>  
> 
> Critical thinking and culturally relevant education are not
> welcomed at
> Jordan High School
> 
> Latina English Teacher is threatened with termination for
> being too
> "Afro-centric" in her teaching.
> 
> As a second year teacher, Ms. Karen Salazar has had a
> dynamic impact on
> the Jordan High School campus by connecting readings to the
> real lives
> and struggles that students go through. Her English Class
> has become a
> favorite among students on campus, where they regularly
> read and analyze
> books and selected readings from people of color to whom
> the students
> can relate.  Students, who typically skip some of their
> classes, show up
> religiously in Salazar's English Class.
> 
> However, much of Salazar's success has also led to
> constant
> harassment by Jordan H.S. administration. Salazar has been
> visited and
> "observed" by the administration over 15 times in
> the past year.
> During one of the visits, an administrator criticized her
> for having
> students read The Autobiography of Malcom X, a LAUSD
> approved text. When
> she objected to this criticism, she was told that her
> teachings where
> too "Afro-centric."  She was then told that the
> school would not
> renew her teaching contract for the upcoming school year.
> 
> What makes this case particularly interesting is that the
> principal,
> Stephen Strachan, is African American and Salazar is
> Salvadorian. 
> However, Strachan believes that Salazar teaches too much
> about the Black
> experience, which is completely ironic.
> 
> "The school knows that Ms. Salazar is a very
> passionate and good
> teacher, and yet they want to fire her. It is not fair
> because there are
> many other teachers who don't teach anything, and they
> never get
> fired," said one of the Jordan High School Students at
> a youth-led
> meeting to discuss the firing.
> 
> At the meeting, many Jordan students expressed anger and
> frustration
> over the situation. After two hours of discussion, it was
> agreed that
> the students would form the Students 4 Salazar coalition
> and demand that
> Ms. Salazar continue to teach at Jordan for the upcoming
> school year.
> Students also decided that they had no other recourse but
> to take direct
> action to save their teacher.  A protest rally was planned
> for after
> school in front of Jordan H.S. on Thursday, June 5th 2008
> at 3:15pm.
> 
> For a video of the meeting, please visit:
> 
>   http://www.youtube.com/v/0yxwUFPokuQ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links


  

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: *Still* Confident in My Manhood - My SATC Experience

[KeithBJohnson]

The movie isn't as raunchy as the raunchiest of the series, but it has some 
moments. The opening has cuts from the series, and shows Samantha saying 
something so foul I can't repeat it here.
How do you feel the women act like homosexual men?
Speaking of the writer, he said on Charlie Rose he brought in Jennifer Hudson 
because he wanted to get a younger person who could be more innocent and less 
cynical than the ret of the cast, and because he felt it was time to have an 
African American in the group.  Too bad her role couldn't have come sooner or 
been more substantive...

-- Original message -- 
From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
By the by, my soon to be sixteen year-old daughter is a big fan of 
SITC. I never let her watch the episodes on HBO, she became a fan 
watching the expurgated episdoes on TBS. I am fascinated by how 
women react to SITC because as I said Carrie Bradshaw and her sisters 
are heterosexual women who act like homosexual men. The homosexual 
man who directed the movie was also the head writer and show runner 
when the show was on cable.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> 
> MY SATC Experience
> 
> This past weekend, as payback for our seeing Iron Man (twice) and 
Narnia, and after countless successful attempts at avoiding going to 
see "Made of Honor", I finally had to give in to my wife, and go see 
a movie of *her* choosing. The movie we went to see? Well, let me 
give you a hint: it didn't have fedora-sporting action heroes or 
psycho murderers. It had nothing to do with space aliens or 
superheroes. After all, it was her turn to pick the movie, and I 
knew what would be on the bill. Indeed, as we drove around Atlanta on 
Saturday, enjoying the sunny day, I didn't even bother *asking* "Do 
you want to see a movie?" let alone, "What movie do you want to see?"
> 
> We both knew what was on the agenda: the inevitable, inescapable 
call of the quartet of saucy\crazy\messed 
up\dysfunctional\emotionally stunted women who make up "Sex and the 
City". She knew, I knew it, so rather than waste words I just drove 
for the theatre, going to meet my fate like a man trudging from the 
death house to the gas chamber. 
> 
> So to the death house I went, dropping my wife off, watching her 
bound eagerly from the car like a gazelle, while I tried to find a 
parking spot—no easy feat given that the whole city of Atlanta seemed 
to be there.
> 
> Walking longingly past the posters of Downey in his high tech armor 
(hey good that movie's good enough to see a third time!) I entered a 
theatre packed with hordes of excited women. And I mean hordes. They 
were everywhere: young women, old women, women in small groups, women 
in large groups, all chattering excitedly. White women, Latin 
women, and –surprisingly to me for a show with no Black star outside 
of Blair Underwood's brief stint—lots and lots of black women, also 
chattering excitedly. 
> 
> And yes, there were men too, though they were outnumbered a good 
four or five to one, from what I saw. But they were there, some dudes 
like me, with looks of resignation or desperation on their faces, 
some with looks of profound boredom, hanging on to the arm of their 
excitedly chattering mate. There were a fair number of older dudes 
who seemed pretty much okay with their fates. (Guess when you've been 
married since the Cold War, compromise is a way of life). About the 
only guys I saw who really seemed to *want* to be there were those 
who'd come in groups with other—men, and they were chattering 
excitedly amongst themselves every bit as much as the women.
> 
> The oddest thing to me, a non-fan, was the way some women were 
dressed: there were women dressed up in near formal wear, as if 
going out to a fancy dinner. There were lots of young girls (many of 
the black ones), in serious party clothes: short skirts, exposed 
midriffs, bright colors, lots of makeup. At first I honestly thought 
that some kind of photo shoot or marketing event was going on. But 
no, looking around I realized this was all about "Sex and the City" 
and its dedication to fashion. I watched enough of the series to know 
that the main star was known for her love of fashion, especially 
shoes, and that the clothes the women wore were often as much a part 
of the show as the characters themselves. So no, no model photo 
shoot, no radio station sponsored clothing contest, just a bunch of 
excited women paying homage to a show they love. Kinda like dress up 
at a midnight showing of The Rocky Horror Picture Show, just with 
better fashion, and no burnt toast.
> 
> Inside, the movie experience itself was a trip. The first half 
hour, as Carrie and the love of her life Big (the big nosed dude from 
Law and Order's early days) talked about getting married, was really 
slow to me. Lots of bad one-liners, characters making *sure* they 
portrayed their clichéd selves to the hilt: the nympho, the uptight 
lawyer, the 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: *Still* Confident in My Manhood - My SATC Experience

[KeithBJohnson]

thanks! And great reply! Funny as heck!

-- Original message -- 
From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Keith, this is hilarious. Your reportage is so spot on, I felt like 
I was there! I will not be spending first run money to see "Sex" 
because I don't believe you should have to pay for "Sex." I will 
wait until "Sex" is free (or, at the very least, inexpensive).

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> 
> MY SATC Experience
> 
> This past weekend, as payback for our seeing Iron Man (twice) and 
Narnia, and after countless successful attempts at avoiding going to 
see "Made of Honor", I finally had to give in to my wife, and go see 
a movie of *her* choosing. The movie we went to see? Well, let me 
give you a hint: it didn't have fedora-sporting action heroes or 
psycho murderers. It had nothing to do with space aliens or 
superheroes. After all, it was her turn to pick the movie, and I 
knew what would be on the bill. Indeed, as we drove around Atlanta on 
Saturday, enjoying the sunny day, I didn't even bother *asking* "Do 
you want to see a movie?" let alone, "What movie do you want to see?"
> 
> We both knew what was on the agenda: the inevitable, inescapable 
call of the quartet of saucy\crazy\messed 
up\dysfunctional\emotionally stunted women who make up "Sex and the 
City". She knew, I knew it, so rather than waste words I just drove 
for the theatre, going to meet my fate like a man trudging from the 
death house to the gas chamber. 
> 
> So to the death house I went, dropping my wife off, watching her 
bound eagerly from the car like a gazelle, while I tried to find a 
parking spot—no easy feat given that the whole city of Atlanta seemed 
to be there.
> 
> Walking longingly past the posters of Downey in his high tech armor 
(hey good that movie's good enough to see a third time!) I entered a 
theatre packed with hordes of excited women. And I mean hordes. They 
were everywhere: young women, old women, women in small groups, women 
in large groups, all chattering excitedly. White women, Latin 
women, and –surprisingly to me for a show with no Black star outside 
of Blair Underwood's brief stint—lots and lots of black women, also 
chattering excitedly. 
> 
> And yes, there were men too, though they were outnumbered a good 
four or five to one, from what I saw. But they were there, some dudes 
like me, with looks of resignation or desperation on their faces, 
some with looks of profound boredom, hanging on to the arm of their 
excitedly chattering mate. There were a fair number of older dudes 
who seemed pretty much okay with their fates. (Guess when you've been 
married since the Cold War, compromise is a way of life). About the 
only guys I saw who really seemed to *want* to be there were those 
who'd come in groups with other—men, and they were chattering 
excitedly amongst themselves every bit as much as the women.
> 
> The oddest thing to me, a non-fan, was the way some women were 
dressed: there were women dressed up in near formal wear, as if 
going out to a fancy dinner. There were lots of young girls (many of 
the black ones), in serious party clothes: short skirts, exposed 
midriffs, bright colors, lots of makeup. At first I honestly thought 
that some kind of photo shoot or marketing event was going on. But 
no, looking around I realized this was all about "Sex and the City" 
and its dedication to fashion. I watched enough of the series to know 
that the main star was known for her love of fashion, especially 
shoes, and that the clothes the women wore were often as much a part 
of the show as the characters themselves. So no, no model photo 
shoot, no radio station sponsored clothing contest, just a bunch of 
excited women paying homage to a show they love. Kinda like dress up 
at a midnight showing of The Rocky Horror Picture Show, just with 
better fashion, and no burnt toast.
> 
> Inside, the movie experience itself was a trip. The first half 
hour, as Carrie and the love of her life Big (the big nosed dude from 
Law and Order's early days) talked about getting married, was really 
slow to me. Lots of bad one-liners, characters making *sure* they 
portrayed their clichéd selves to the hilt: the nympho, the uptight 
lawyer, the Pollyanna, the I-can't-live-without-Big. Nothing super 
clever or earth-shattering taking place, just more of the same old-
same old from the series, from what I could tell. 
> 
> And yet, while bored out of my gourd, I noticed that everyone 
around me was really enjoying it. The smallest joke would bring 
guffaws of laughter, the most predictable plot devices 
elicited "oohs" and "he ain't worth it!" from all over the theatre. 
At one point in the early going, when I was already wondering if I 
could take another two hours of recycled jokes and predictable 
plotting, I took at look the people around me. Everywhere, everyone 
was sitting transfixed, eyes straight ahead and twinkling with 
merriment, faces t

[scifinoir2] FW: [ Latina Teacher Fired for teaching about Malcom X

[Tracey de Morsella]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of josexlara
Sent: Mon 6/2/2008 8:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [latinosineducation] Latina Teacher Fired for teaching about Malcom
X
 

Critical thinking and culturally relevant education are not welcomed at
Jordan High School

Latina English Teacher is threatened with termination for being too
"Afro-centric" in her teaching.

As a second year teacher, Ms. Karen Salazar has had a dynamic impact on
the Jordan High School campus by connecting readings to the real lives
and struggles that students go through. Her English Class has become a
favorite among students on campus, where they regularly read and analyze
books and selected readings from people of color to whom the students
can relate.  Students, who typically skip some of their classes, show up
religiously in Salazar's English Class.

However, much of Salazar's success has also led to constant
harassment by Jordan H.S. administration. Salazar has been visited and
"observed" by the administration over 15 times in the past year.
During one of the visits, an administrator criticized her for having
students read The Autobiography of Malcom X, a LAUSD approved text. When
she objected to this criticism, she was told that her teachings where
too "Afro-centric."  She was then told that the school would not
renew her teaching contract for the upcoming school year.

What makes this case particularly interesting is that the principal,
Stephen Strachan, is African American and Salazar is Salvadorian. 
However, Strachan believes that Salazar teaches too much about the Black
experience, which is completely ironic.

"The school knows that Ms. Salazar is a very passionate and good
teacher, and yet they want to fire her. It is not fair because there are
many other teachers who don't teach anything, and they never get
fired," said one of the Jordan High School Students at a youth-led
meeting to discuss the firing.

At the meeting, many Jordan students expressed anger and frustration
over the situation. After two hours of discussion, it was agreed that
the students would form the Students 4 Salazar coalition and demand that
Ms. Salazar continue to teach at Jordan for the upcoming school year.
Students also decided that they had no other recourse but to take direct
action to save their teacher.  A protest rally was planned for after
school in front of Jordan H.S. on Thursday, June 5th 2008 at 3:15pm.

For a video of the meeting, please visit:

  http://www.youtube.com/v/0yxwUFPokuQ







Yahoo! Groups Links

[scifinoir2] Straight Man Accidentally Sees 'Sex and the City' - satire

[Tracey de Morsella]

Straight Man Accidentally Sees 'Sex and the City'


'Terrifying' Experience, Says Home Depot Clerk


www.borowitzreport.com]
A self-styled heterosexual man from Akron, Ohio said today that he was
"traumatized" over the weekend after attending a showing of the new Sarah
Jessica Parker film, "Sex and the City." 

Hendrick Colton, 34, said that he bought a ticket to the summer blockbuster
"Iron Man" at his neighborhood multiplex but wandered into the theater
showing "Sex and the City" instead. 

"The minute the movie came on, I knew something was terribly, terribly
wrong," he said. 

Mr. Colton, a sales clerk at a Home Depot in the Akron suburbs, said he
tried to leave the theater immediately but was seated in the middle of a
row, making it impossible to escape without causing commotion. 

"Everyone around me was laughing their heads off and shouting 'You go,
girl!'" he said. "It was terrifying."

A spokesman for New Line Cinema, the company that released "Sex and the
City," said that the film grossed $55 million over the weekend but that Mr.
Colton was the only heterosexual man known to have seen it. 

Friends of Mr. Colton who spoke on condition of anonymity said that the
Akron man seemed shaken by the experience of seeing the movie and was
concerned that others might now doubt his longstanding claim of being
heterosexual. 

Davis Logsdon, a professor of human sexuality at the University of
Minnesota, said that a straight man could attend a film such as "Sex and the
City" without experiencing any change in his sexual identity. 

"A heterosexual man could see that movie and remain heterosexual at its
conclusion," Dr. Logsdon said. "Having said that, it's totally gay that he
did that."



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[scifinoir2] Re: *Still* Confident in My Manhood - My SATC Experience

[ravenadal]

By the by, my soon to be sixteen year-old daughter is a big fan of 
SITC.  I never let her watch the episodes on HBO, she became a fan 
watching the expurgated episdoes on TBS.  I am fascinated by how 
women react to SITC because as I said Carrie Bradshaw and her sisters 
are heterosexual women who act like homosexual men.  The homosexual 
man who directed the movie was also the head writer and show runner 
when the show was on cable.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> MY SATC Experience
>  
> This past weekend, as payback for our seeing Iron Man (twice) and 
Narnia, and after countless successful attempts at avoiding going to 
see "Made of Honor", I finally had to give in to my wife, and go see 
a movie of *her* choosing. The movie we went to see? Well, let me 
give you a hint: it didn't have fedora-sporting action heroes or 
psycho murderers. It had nothing to do with space aliens or 
superheroes.  After all, it was her turn to pick the movie, and I 
knew what would be on the bill. Indeed, as we drove around Atlanta on 
Saturday, enjoying the sunny day, I didn't even bother *asking* "Do 
you want to see a movie?" let alone, "What movie do you want to see?"
>  
> We both knew what was on the agenda: the inevitable, inescapable 
call of the quartet of saucy\crazy\messed 
up\dysfunctional\emotionally stunted women who make up "Sex and the 
City". She knew, I knew it, so rather than waste words I just drove 
for the theatre, going to meet my fate like a man trudging from the 
death house to the gas chamber.  
>  
> So to the death house I went, dropping my wife off, watching her 
bound eagerly from the car like a gazelle, while I tried to find a 
parking spot—no easy feat given that the whole city of Atlanta seemed 
to be there.
>  
> Walking longingly past the posters of Downey in his high tech armor 
(hey good that movie's good enough to see a third time!) I entered a 
theatre packed with hordes of excited women.  And I mean hordes. They 
were everywhere: young women, old women, women in small groups, women 
in large groups, all chattering excitedly.   White women, Latin 
women, and –surprisingly to me for  a show with no Black star outside 
of Blair Underwood's brief stint—lots and lots of black women, also 
chattering excitedly. 
>  
>  And yes, there were men too, though they were outnumbered a good 
four or five to one, from what I saw. But they were there, some dudes 
like me, with looks of resignation or desperation on their faces, 
some with looks of profound boredom, hanging on to the arm of their 
excitedly chattering mate. There were a fair number of older dudes 
who seemed pretty much okay with their fates. (Guess when you've been 
married since the Cold War, compromise is a way of life).  About the 
only guys I saw who really seemed to *want* to be there were those 
who'd come in groups with other—men, and they were chattering 
excitedly amongst themselves every bit as much as the women.
>  
> The oddest thing to me, a non-fan, was the way some women were 
dressed:  there were women dressed up in near formal wear, as if 
going out to a fancy dinner. There were lots of young girls (many of 
the black ones), in serious party clothes: short skirts, exposed 
midriffs, bright colors, lots of makeup. At first I honestly thought 
that some kind of photo shoot or marketing event was going on. But 
no, looking around I realized this was all about "Sex and the City" 
and its dedication to fashion. I watched enough of the series to know 
that the main star was known for her love of fashion, especially 
shoes, and that the clothes the women wore were often as much a part 
of the show as the characters themselves. So no, no model photo 
shoot, no radio station sponsored clothing contest, just a bunch of 
excited women paying homage to a show they love. Kinda like dress up 
at a midnight showing of The Rocky Horror Picture Show, just with 
better fashion, and no burnt toast.
>  
> Inside, the movie experience itself was a trip. The first half 
hour, as Carrie and the love of her life Big (the big nosed dude from 
Law and Order's early days) talked about getting married, was really 
slow to me. Lots of bad one-liners, characters making *sure* they 
portrayed their clichéd selves to the hilt: the nympho, the uptight 
lawyer, the Pollyanna, the I-can't-live-without-Big.   Nothing super 
clever or earth-shattering taking place, just more of the same old-
same old from the series, from what I could tell.  
>  
> And yet, while bored out of my gourd, I noticed that everyone 
around me was really enjoying it. The smallest joke would bring 
guffaws of laughter, the most predictable plot devices 
elicited "oohs" and "he ain't worth it!" from all over the theatre.  
At one point in the early going, when I was already wondering if I 
could take another two hours of recycled jokes and predictable 
plotting, I took at look the people around me. Everywhere, everyone 
was sitting t

[scifinoir2] Re: *Still* Confident in My Manhood - My SATC Experience

[ravenadal]

Keith, this is hilarious.  Your reportage is so spot on, I felt like 
I was there!  I will not be spending first run money to see "Sex" 
because I don't believe you should have to pay for "Sex."  I will 
wait until "Sex" is free (or, at the very least, inexpensive).

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> MY SATC Experience
>  
> This past weekend, as payback for our seeing Iron Man (twice) and 
Narnia, and after countless successful attempts at avoiding going to 
see "Made of Honor", I finally had to give in to my wife, and go see 
a movie of *her* choosing. The movie we went to see? Well, let me 
give you a hint: it didn't have fedora-sporting action heroes or 
psycho murderers. It had nothing to do with space aliens or 
superheroes.  After all, it was her turn to pick the movie, and I 
knew what would be on the bill. Indeed, as we drove around Atlanta on 
Saturday, enjoying the sunny day, I didn't even bother *asking* "Do 
you want to see a movie?" let alone, "What movie do you want to see?"
>  
> We both knew what was on the agenda: the inevitable, inescapable 
call of the quartet of saucy\crazy\messed 
up\dysfunctional\emotionally stunted women who make up "Sex and the 
City". She knew, I knew it, so rather than waste words I just drove 
for the theatre, going to meet my fate like a man trudging from the 
death house to the gas chamber.  
>  
> So to the death house I went, dropping my wife off, watching her 
bound eagerly from the car like a gazelle, while I tried to find a 
parking spot—no easy feat given that the whole city of Atlanta seemed 
to be there.
>  
> Walking longingly past the posters of Downey in his high tech armor 
(hey good that movie's good enough to see a third time!) I entered a 
theatre packed with hordes of excited women.  And I mean hordes. They 
were everywhere: young women, old women, women in small groups, women 
in large groups, all chattering excitedly.   White women, Latin 
women, and –surprisingly to me for  a show with no Black star outside 
of Blair Underwood's brief stint—lots and lots of black women, also 
chattering excitedly. 
>  
>  And yes, there were men too, though they were outnumbered a good 
four or five to one, from what I saw. But they were there, some dudes 
like me, with looks of resignation or desperation on their faces, 
some with looks of profound boredom, hanging on to the arm of their 
excitedly chattering mate. There were a fair number of older dudes 
who seemed pretty much okay with their fates. (Guess when you've been 
married since the Cold War, compromise is a way of life).  About the 
only guys I saw who really seemed to *want* to be there were those 
who'd come in groups with other—men, and they were chattering 
excitedly amongst themselves every bit as much as the women.
>  
> The oddest thing to me, a non-fan, was the way some women were 
dressed:  there were women dressed up in near formal wear, as if 
going out to a fancy dinner. There were lots of young girls (many of 
the black ones), in serious party clothes: short skirts, exposed 
midriffs, bright colors, lots of makeup. At first I honestly thought 
that some kind of photo shoot or marketing event was going on. But 
no, looking around I realized this was all about "Sex and the City" 
and its dedication to fashion. I watched enough of the series to know 
that the main star was known for her love of fashion, especially 
shoes, and that the clothes the women wore were often as much a part 
of the show as the characters themselves. So no, no model photo 
shoot, no radio station sponsored clothing contest, just a bunch of 
excited women paying homage to a show they love. Kinda like dress up 
at a midnight showing of The Rocky Horror Picture Show, just with 
better fashion, and no burnt toast.
>  
> Inside, the movie experience itself was a trip. The first half 
hour, as Carrie and the love of her life Big (the big nosed dude from 
Law and Order's early days) talked about getting married, was really 
slow to me. Lots of bad one-liners, characters making *sure* they 
portrayed their clichéd selves to the hilt: the nympho, the uptight 
lawyer, the Pollyanna, the I-can't-live-without-Big.   Nothing super 
clever or earth-shattering taking place, just more of the same old-
same old from the series, from what I could tell.  
>  
> And yet, while bored out of my gourd, I noticed that everyone 
around me was really enjoying it. The smallest joke would bring 
guffaws of laughter, the most predictable plot devices 
elicited "oohs" and "he ain't worth it!" from all over the theatre.  
At one point in the early going, when I was already wondering if I 
could take another two hours of recycled jokes and predictable 
plotting, I took at look the people around me. Everywhere, everyone 
was sitting transfixed, eyes straight ahead and twinkling with 
merriment, faces to a man and woman frozen with the goofiest grins.  
There could be just a shot of a building onscreen, 

[scifinoir2] Scifi's Charlie Jade - Any Info?

[Tracey de Morsella]

Today I saw a promo for a new series on Scifi Channel called Charlie Jade.
I looked it up and it sounds like it was a series produced in @005.  It got
good reviews.  I was out of the country at the time.  Has anyone seen it?
What do you think?

 

Plot: Charlie Jade is a rogue private detective in a world dominated by
greedy multinational corporations. While on an investigation, Charlie
explores a secret desert facility. A massive explosion propels him from his
own universe (alphaverse) to a strange parallel universe (betaverse). Soon,
Charlie is drawn into a conflict that involves these two universes and one
other pacifist universe (gammaverse) with unsuspected terror at its heart.
It is set in South Africa.  There are 21 episodes

 

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

1212509205

[KeithBJohnson]

 
MY SATC Experience
 
This past weekend, as payback for our seeing Iron Man (twice) and Narnia, and 
after countless successful attempts at avoiding going to see "Made of Honor", I 
finally had to give in to my wife, and go see a movie of *her* choosing. The 
movie we went to see? Well, let me give you a hint: it didn't have 
fedora-sporting action heroes or psycho murderers. It had nothing to do with 
space aliens or superheroes.  After all, it was her turn to pick the movie, and 
I knew what would be on the bill. Indeed, as we drove around Atlanta on 
Saturday, enjoying the sunny day, I didn’t even bother *asking* "Do you want to 
see a movie?" let alone, "What movie do you want to see?”
 
We both knew what was on the agenda: the inevitable, inescapable call of the 
quartet of saucy\crazy\messed up\dysfunctional\emotionally stunted women who 
make up "Sex and the City". She knew, I knew it, so rather than waste words I 
just drove for the theatre, going to meet my fate like a man trudging from the 
death house to the gas chamber.  
 
So to the death house I went, dropping my wife off, watching her bound eagerly 
from the car like a gazelle, while I tried to find a parking spot—no easy feat 
given that the whole city of Atlanta seemed to be there.
 
Walking longingly past the posters of Downey in his high tech armor (hey good 
that movie’s good enough to see a third time!) I entered a theatre packed with 
hordes of excited women.  And I mean hordes. They were everywhere: young women, 
old women, women in small groups, women in large groups, all chattering 
excitedly.   White women, Latin women, and –surprisingly to me for  a show with 
no Black star outside of Blair Underwood’s brief stint—lots and lots of black 
women, also chattering excitedly. 
 
 And yes, there were men too, though they were outnumbered a good four or five 
to one, from what I saw. But they were there, some dudes like me, with looks of 
resignation or desperation on their faces, some with looks of profound boredom, 
hanging on to the arm of their excitedly chattering mate. There were a fair 
number of older dudes who seemed pretty much okay with their fates. (Guess when 
you’ve been married since the Cold War, compromise is a way of life).  About 
the only guys I saw who really seemed to *want* to be there were those who’d 
come in groups with other—men, and they were chattering excitedly amongst 
themselves every bit as much as the women.
 
The oddest thing to me, a non-fan, was the way some women were dressed:  there 
were women dressed up in near formal wear, as if going out to a fancy dinner. 
There were lots of young girls (many of the black ones), in serious party 
clothes: short skirts, exposed midriffs, bright colors, lots of makeup. At 
first I honestly thought that some kind of photo shoot or marketing event was 
going on. But no, looking around I realized this was all about “Sex and the 
City” and its dedication to fashion. I watched enough of the series to know 
that the main star was known for her love of fashion, especially shoes, and 
that the clothes the women wore were often as much a part of the show as the 
characters themselves. So no, no model photo shoot, no radio station sponsored 
clothing contest, just a bunch of excited women paying homage to a show they 
love. Kinda like dress up at a midnight showing of The Rocky Horror Picture 
Show, just with better fashion, and no burnt toast.
 
Inside, the movie experience itself was a trip. The first half hour, as Carrie 
and the love of her life Big (the big nosed dude from Law and Order’s early 
days) talked about getting married, was really slow to me. Lots of bad 
one-liners, characters making *sure* they portrayed their clichéd selves to the 
hilt: the nympho, the uptight lawyer, the Pollyanna, the 
I-can’t-live-without-Big.   Nothing super clever or earth-shattering taking 
place, just more of the same old-same old from the series, from what I could 
tell.  
 
And yet, while bored out of my gourd, I noticed that everyone around me was 
really enjoying it. The smallest joke would bring guffaws of laughter, the most 
predictable plot devices elicited “oohs” and “he ain’t worth it!” from all over 
the theatre.  At one point in the early going, when I was already wondering if 
I could take another two hours of recycled jokes and predictable plotting, I 
took at look the people around me. Everywhere, everyone was sitting transfixed, 
eyes straight ahead and twinkling with merriment, faces to a man and woman 
frozen with the goofiest grins.  There could be just a shot of a building 
onscreen, and people would be grinning. Two characters hugging, and people are 
grinning. And those small jokes were still bringing big laughs to all. 
It was like everyone had drunk the Kool-Aid but me. I turned to my wife to make 
a comment on this eerie zombie land into which we’d fallen, but she was too 
busy staring at the screen, eyes transfixed, a permanent grin frozen on her 
face.

[scifinoir2] Re: BSG

[DJ VIBE]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I just have trouble seeing a hardcore soldier like the Admiral going 
that far off the deep end for Roslin. Again I say- I'm glad it's 
ending.




It was right in line with his character - remember in Season 1 when he 
put the entire fleet in jeopardy by staying around to look for the 
crash-landed Starbuck?  To him, she wasn't just a pilot, she was a 
daughter and,like he told Apollo, if it was Apollo they would never 
leave.

Contrast that with the personal growth he has undergone since Season 
1.  He makes the *much* more logical decision to remove himself from 
command rather than jeopardize the fleet because of his feelings for 
Laura (what happens when the cancer takes her, I wonder) and to only 
risk his own life in continuing the search for her.  Granted, if he 
were rank-and-file, like Helo and Athena, he would have been thwarted 
in his plan (remember how Athena had Helo shoot her since Adama and 
Roslin wouldn't allow them to go to the Cylon ship?), but since he's 
the Admiral, you have the ending of this episode.

[scifinoir2] Re: Billboards With Cameras To Get Info On Passers-By

[DJ VIBE]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> and while we're on this, who the heck wants a billboard to *assume* 
it knows what I want? What? I drive by, get scanned, and next thing 
there' a giant Colt 45 ad being displayed?


I would think you'd get Olde English 800 :P

> Reminds me of "Minority Report", where everytime someone entered  a 
store he was retinal scanned, ID'd and instantly bombarded with sales 
pitches tailored to him.


You're not the only one - that was my first thought on reading this.  
I immediately thought about the negative aspects of this technology - 
you saw how difficult it was for Tom Cruise's character to avoid being 
caught in the movie.  

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who: Planet of the Ood

[Martin]

Meta, a shame that that message isn't making it to *my* side of the pond.

Meta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm with you on 
this. I've always liked that we are used in a
 matter of fact way in this show, which is one reason why
 I like watching them with my children. They get to see that
 we're not super bad nor super good, just regular folk.
 
 Meta
 
 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > I thought about the fact the black man was the principal slave driver
 > and the Indian woman was both a collaborator and an apologist for a
 > clearly corrupt business enterprise.  And it occurred to me that it
 > didn't bother me because of the matter-of-fact way minorities are
 > integrated into these stories.  
 > 
 > I think of another of my favorite "Who" episodes - the one where the
 > Dyleks are using depression era humans to build the Empire State
 > Building - where the leader of the Central Park squatter's camp and
 > the most heroic and moral person in the episode is a black man.
 > 
 > It is this even-handedness that makes me a fan of the latest
 > incarnation of the good doctor.
 > 
 > ~rave!
 > 
 > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Justin Mohareb"
 >  wrote:
 > >
 > > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:37 AM, ravenadal  wrote:
 > > > Diana: "Being with you I can't tell what's right or wrong anymore."
 > > >
 > > > Doctor: "It's better that way."
 > > 
 > > Psst.  Donna.
 > > > I am not a fan of Catherine Tate, a big horsey woman who sort of
 > > > clumps around eating scenery. That said, I found "The Planet of the
 > > > Ood" to be both a great episode and a trenchant meditation on the
 > > > nature of slavery - a pretty amazing accomplishment in a 50 minute
 > > > teleplay.
 > > >
 > > > There were several elements about this episode that I found
 appealing.
 > > > As usual, I like the multicultural cast which included both a black
 > > > man and an Indian woman in prominent roles. I liked the Ood, a race
 > > > of peace loving octopi-heads who have been enslaved in a
 particularly
 > > > diabolical way.
 > > 
 > > Were there any thoughts on the fact the black character in this was
 > > the slave driver of the piece?
 > > 
 > > JJ Mohareb
 > > 
 > > -- 
 > > Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
 > > http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
 > >
 >
 
 
 
   


"There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get 
organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
Country"
   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who: Planet of the Ood

[Meta]

I'm with you on this. I've always liked that we are used in a
matter of fact way in this show, which is one reason why
I like watching them with my children. They get to see that
we're not super bad nor super good, just regular folk.

Meta

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I thought about the fact the black man was the principal slave driver
> and the Indian woman was both a collaborator and an apologist for a
> clearly corrupt business enterprise.  And it occurred to me that it
> didn't bother me because of the matter-of-fact way minorities are
> integrated into these stories.  
> 
> I think of another of my favorite "Who" episodes - the one where the
> Dyleks are using depression era humans to build the Empire State
> Building - where the leader of the Central Park squatter's camp and
> the most heroic and moral person in the episode is a black man.
> 
> It is this even-handedness that makes me a fan of the latest
> incarnation of the good doctor.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Justin Mohareb"
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:37 AM, ravenadal  wrote:
> > > Diana: "Being with you I can't tell what's right or wrong anymore."
> > >
> > > Doctor: "It's better that way."
> > 
> > Psst.  Donna.
> > > I am not a fan of Catherine Tate, a big horsey woman who sort of
> > > clumps around eating scenery. That said, I found "The Planet of the
> > > Ood" to be both a great episode and a trenchant meditation on the
> > > nature of slavery - a pretty amazing accomplishment in a 50 minute
> > > teleplay.
> > >
> > > There were several elements about this episode that I found
appealing.
> > > As usual, I like the multicultural cast which included both a black
> > > man and an Indian woman in prominent roles. I liked the Ood, a race
> > > of peace loving octopi-heads who have been enslaved in a
particularly
> > > diabolical way.
> > 
> > Were there any thoughts on the fact the black character in this was
> > the slave driver of the piece?
> > 
> > JJ Mohareb
> > 
> > -- 
> > Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> > http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
> >
>