Re: [scifinoir2] Another sign of the Apocalypse: Madea goes to Jail=$41 million box office

[Martin Baxter]

Does not surprise me in the least.





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Jail=$41 million box office

 Date : Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:49:06 + (UTC)

 From : Keith Johnson 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


I took my wife to see "The International" today at a theatre in Buckhead, the 
rich/party area of Atlanta. It's a five-dollar theatre that few people know 
about--at least, even with those cheap prices, I rarely see showings that are 
full. But today, walking out of our movie, I was greeted by the sight of dozens 
of people standing in line. And what were they going to see? You guessed it... 

- Original Message - 
From: "ravenadal"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:43:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Another sign of the Apocalypse: Madea goes to Jail=$41 
million box office 






The subject line says it all. In better news, Friday the 13th 
declined 81%. 


 


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RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is "Lost" found?

[Martin Baxter]

(heaving a heavy sigh of relief...)





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 To : 


I BELIEVE you, Martin! You KNOW I believe you!!! LOLLOL!!!
And who says that's a BAD thing???

 _ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
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LMNAO!!!

I keep telling people that I'm fundamentally evil, but no one believes me...
;-)







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Martin... charging is cruel. 
 
Grayson Reyes-Cole 
http://www.graysonreyescole.com 
Facebook 
Bright Star 
When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... 
In Print April 6, 2009 

Ghost Writer Reviews: Grayson-Reyes Cole is an incredibly imaginative and
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From: Martin Baxter 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:36:35 AM 
Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Is "Lost" found? 


The question posed - "Is 'Lost' found?" 

The answer, to paraphrase Soul Brother #1, "It's LOST... in the wilderness..
.." 

Martin (bad quips can be avoided with a generous donation to the Martin
Baxter Comic Book Fund) 





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>From : "ravenadal" 
To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 

I hear "Lost" is good again. Anybody watching? 

(EW Subscriber: "It is better to have loved "Lost" and lost than to 
have never loved "Lost" at all."). 

~rave? 




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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Yo Adrianne!

[Adrianne Brennan]

Whoever answered that last one is a tad clueless about veganism. Wool,
leather, and silk aren't "alive" nor is dairy, but they are all animal
byproducts.

The answer is that pearls are not vegan because they are indeed an animal
byproduct.

Where's the link so I can talk some sense into these people? Sheesh.

~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath


On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:32 AM, ravenadal  wrote:

> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal"  wrote:
> >
> > Hey, Adrianne, tell me true...can Vegans wear pearls?
> >
> Coming up dry here, I posted this question at Yahoo! Answers.  So far
> I have received two responses.  Here they go:
>
> Q. Can Vegans wear pearls?
>
> A1. No...not if they are cultured.
>
> A2. What a silly question. Are you eating the pearls? No. Does it kill
> an oyster to create a pearl? No. Does it kill an oyster to harvest the
> pearls? No. Are pearls alive? No more than fingernails.
> Pearls are made from grains of sand my friend. They have no brains, no
> circulatory system, no intelligence. Oysters are not an endangered
> species, and no one has ever been prosecuted for the mistreatment of
> oysters. Oysters create pearls to get rid of irritation. Perhaps yahoo
> needs a similar way of encapsulating irritating questions!
>
> Well, that certainly clears that up.
>
> My next question:
>
> Do Androids dream of Electric Sheep?
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[scifinoir2] Re:Is "Lost" found?

[Marian Moore]

Yes and I'm loving it.  
I have to admit that reading the roundtable on TOR's website helps.  They catch 
more literary references than I do.  It's fun to watch something that is so 
dense.

B'shalom,
Marian
http://makeda42.livejournal.com/


  

[scifinoir2] Re: The Dollhouse - "The Target" espisode: WTF?

[B. Smith]

>From the prep that was done like creating a false identity good 
enough to fool the Dollhouse, killing the ranger, drugging the water 
and taking out her handlers it was apparent that something much 
bigger was going on. The presence of Alpha complicated matters even 
more. I like where the show is going.

I do feel a sense of unease at the assignments because it's been 
apparent from the first episode that the actives sometimes are no 
more than rich man's toys. This the second time where we've seen Echo 
sent on a "date" and she's been programed as that person's idea of a 
perfect woman.  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal"  wrote:
>
> I may be mad but am I wrong?  (Maybe I was just creeped out by the
> Mark Singer doppleganger who played the bad guy. Mark Singer has
> always creeped me out with his long, lean, muscular angularity - Ron
> Ely and Charleston Heston have affected me the same way - yeech!). 
> But for real doh - guy has sex with gal and then gives her a five
> minute head start with nothing but the clothes on her back before he
> goes after her with a high-powered bow and arrow?  Rhianna had more 
of
> a chance with Chris Brown.
> 
> I mean, the human chase may be a time-honored narrative convention
> (and by that I mean I shopworn and cliched) but I didn't think this
> scenario was cute when Rutger Hauer was the hunter and Ice-T was the
> hunted in a little movie called "Surviving the Game" (1994) - a 
movie
> surprisingly (not!) similar to "The Target" except Hauer fattens 
Ice-T
> up by feeding him a sumptuous meal before giving him his five minute
> head start.  A good lay instead of a good meal?  Nothing 
misogynistic
> about that.
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Justin about the show. I don't know if Rave is mad or
> not ;)
> > 
> > It seems to me that Joss is doing most stuff right. He's laying 
good
> ground work and already developing strong sympathetic characters.  
If
> you're not watching this, you're making a big mistake. If you don't
> like it, you probably need to revisit it. This is Joss Whedon doing
> what he does best though admittedly not at his absolute best thus 
far.
> That said, the stage is set for him to really shine. If this show
> survives, I'm sure he will deliver the goods as always.
> > 
> > Bosco
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Justin Mohareb  wrote:
> > 
> > From: Justin Mohareb 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Dollhouse - "The Target" espisode: 
WTF?
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 11:24 AM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rave, I love you, but I have to say I think you're 
quite
> mad.  This is
> > 
> > just a retelling of a story that's older than pottery; The Most
> > 
> > Dangerous Game is one of my favourite stories from childhood.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The backstory to Dollhouse is finally being established.  We're
> > 
> > finally getting some sort of detail about the who and what's of 
it,
> > 
> > and I'm thinking that it's good that we're getting questions.  If 
a
> > 
> > show's going to be a good serial, you need to be able to end an
> > 
> > episode with a little WTF? on you.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Justin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 12:12 PM, ravenadal 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > The discussion about whose breasts are bigger - Miss Love 
Hewitt or
> > 
> > > Mrs. Thomas Jane(?) reminded me of how much I hated this week's
> > 
> > > episode of "The Dollhouse."
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > WTF was that? It was like a life action version of the video 
game
> > 
> > > where the sole intent is to throw Laura Croft off the cliff and 
to
> > 
> > > feed her to wild cougars. I mean the misogyny quotient was so 
high on
> > 
> > > that episode that I actually felt dirty fast forwarding through 
it.
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > I understand there is a thin line between what passes for 
television
> > 
> > > drama and porn (especially that which is most popular with 
the "moral
> > 
> > > majority") but jeez louise!
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > I mean, come on...a human hunt? Phallic arrows? The woman as 
prey?
> > 
> > > Whose rape fantasy is this, anyway?
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > ~(no)rave!
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> > 
> > http://thebitterguy .livejournal. com
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re:Is "Lost" found?

[B. Smith]

I'm still watching and enjoying it but I want a little more steak to go 
with the sizzle.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Marian Moore  wrote:
>
> Yes and I'm loving it.  
> I have to admit that reading the roundtable on TOR's website helps.  
They catch more literary references than I do.  It's fun to watch 
something that is so dense.
> 
> B'shalom,
> Marian
> http://makeda42.livejournal.com/
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!

[B. Smith]

I've heard that the movie is uber faithful until the end. Sometimes 
that can work (see Jaws) and sometimes it fails miserably.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter" 
 wrote:
>
> It'll make the studio its money back, easily. But there will be a 
LOT of disappointed (read p*ssed-off) fans coming out of the theaters.
> 
> Martin (again waving the "Animation Now, Animation Forever" banner)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
 Subject : [scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!
> 
 Date : Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:00:04 -
> 
 From : "ravenadal" 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259927,00.html
> 
> By Jeff Jensen
> 
> They have come to glimpse the miracle. They have come to witness the
> revolution. They have come for Watchmen — the allegedly unfilmable
> superhero movie, the long-awaited adaptation of the comic book that
> changed the face of comic books forever. On this warm July morning,
> over 5,000 fans attending the annual geek pop summit known as
> Comic-Con have assembled inside the San Diego Convention Center for 
a
> first look. Many spent the night on the sidewalk. Some have come in
> costumes — most modeled after Rorschach, a vigilante with an 
inkblot
> mask and a pitiless brand of justice that makes Batman look like
> Bambi. Behind the stage, indie-movie icon Kevin Smith, a.k.a. the 
Most
> Famous Fanboy in the World, parks himself in front of a closed-
circuit
> TV, a happy grin on his bearded mug. ''You have to understand, I've
> been waiting for this moment for years,'' says Smith. ''This is it,
> man. This is the pinnacle. You have no idea how f---ing pumped I 
am.''
> 
> All this, for a violent, ironic superhero epic that doesn't like
> superheroes in the first place. Directed by 300's Zack Snyder,
> Watchmen presents a set of familiar superhero archetypes — and then
> subverts them completely, turning them into criminals, jerks,
> narcissists, megalomaniacs, and plain ol' whiny wusses. Rorschach
> (Jackie Earl Haley) is like the Spirit...except he's a joyless,
> hard-line misanthrope. The Comedian (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) is like
> Captain America...but loyal only to sadistic thrills and a corrupt
> worldview. Nite Owl (Patrick Wilson) is part Batman, part Iron
> Man...except he's also a schlubby, impotent coward. Ozymandias
> (Matthew Goode) is the resident genius...who's built an empire on
> superhero toys. (You see what we mean by irony.) Says Billy Crudup,
> whose blue, naked Dr. Manhattan is an almighty Superman dangerously
> detached from his own humanity: ''Watchmen is a kind of thrilling
> thought experiment. What would people who dress up in costumes to
> fight crime actually be like? Well, they'd probably be fetishists 
who
> lived on the fringes of society. They'd all be a bunch of freaking
> lunatics.''
> 
> Yet for all its self-awareness and cynicism, Watchmen isn't some
> cheap-and-silly Scary Movie parody. Adapted faithfully, if not
> completely, from the celebrated 1986 comic-book series, Snyder's 
film
> is visually and intellectually ambitious, filled with heady
> ruminations about savior figures, pop culture, and the politics of
> fear. At a time when superhero stories are commonplace and our 
shaken
> country is pinning its recovery on an idealistic new president,
> Watchmen's director believes his movie can serve as a bracing blast 
of
> healthy skepticism. ''Someone asked me if I thought that because
> Barack Obama had been elected president, the movie was no longer
> relevant. I said, 'Wow, that's a very optimistic view of the
> future!''' says Snyder. ''The movie, like the comic, says, 'These
> superhero stories you've been feasting on? What if we took them
> seriously? What if we thought through the consequences? Where do 
they
> get us?' That's the fun.''
> 
> NEXT PAGE: ''I felt like Watchmen was this very, very bad thing 
that I
> shouldn't be reading, and if my mom caught me with it I'd be f---ing
> doomed.''
> 
> http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259927,00.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!

[Daryle Lockhart]

I heard last night from someone who saw the movie that it's the   
greatest  comic book movie ever  made. To  which  I said "Greater  
than Spider-Man 2?" And they  said "SO much better."


So now I don't know what to think.


On Feb 23, 2009, at 1:02 PM, B. Smith wrote:


I've heard that the movie is uber faithful until the end. Sometimes
that can work (see Jaws) and sometimes it fails miserably.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"
 wrote:
>
> It'll make the studio its money back, easily. But there will be a
LOT of disappointed (read p*ssed-off) fans coming out of the theaters.
>
> Martin (again waving the "Animation Now, Animation Forever" banner)
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Subject : [scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!
>
Date : Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:00:04 -
>
From : "ravenadal" 
>
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259927,00.html
>
> By Jeff Jensen
>
> They have come to glimpse the miracle. They have come to witness the
> revolution. They have come for Watchmen — the allegedly unfilmable
> superhero movie, the long-awaited adaptation of the comic book that
> changed the face of comic books forever. On this warm July morning,
> over 5,000 fans attending the annual geek pop summit known as
> Comic-Con have assembled inside the San Diego Convention Center for
a
> first look. Many spent the night on the sidewalk. Some have come in
> costumes — most modeled after Rorschach, a vigilante with an
inkblot
> mask and a pitiless brand of justice that makes Batman look like
> Bambi. Behind the stage, indie-movie icon Kevin Smith, a.k.a. the
Most
> Famous Fanboy in the World, parks himself in front of a closed-
circuit
> TV, a happy grin on his bearded mug. ''You have to understand, I've
> been waiting for this moment for years,'' says Smith. ''This is it,
> man. This is the pinnacle. You have no idea how f---ing pumped I
am.''
>
> All this, for a violent, ironic superhero epic that doesn't like
> superheroes in the first place. Directed by 300's Zack Snyder,
> Watchmen presents a set of familiar superhero archetypes — and then
> subverts them completely, turning them into criminals, jerks,
> narcissists, megalomaniacs, and plain ol' whiny wusses. Rorschach
> (Jackie Earl Haley) is like the Spirit...except he's a joyless,
> hard-line misanthrope. The Comedian (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) is like
> Captain America...but loyal only to sadistic thrills and a corrupt
> worldview. Nite Owl (Patrick Wilson) is part Batman, part Iron
> Man...except he's also a schlubby, impotent coward. Ozymandias
> (Matthew Goode) is the resident genius...who's built an empire on
> superhero toys. (You see what we mean by irony.) Says Billy Crudup,
> whose blue, naked Dr. Manhattan is an almighty Superman dangerously
> detached from his own humanity: ''Watchmen is a kind of thrilling
> thought experiment. What would people who dress up in costumes to
> fight crime actually be like? Well, they'd probably be fetishists
who
> lived on the fringes of society. They'd all be a bunch of freaking
> lunatics.''
>
> Yet for all its self-awareness and cynicism, Watchmen isn't some
> cheap-and-silly Scary Movie parody. Adapted faithfully, if not
> completely, from the celebrated 1986 comic-book series, Snyder's
film
> is visually and intellectually ambitious, filled with heady
> ruminations about savior figures, pop culture, and the politics of
> fear. At a time when superhero stories are commonplace and our
shaken
> country is pinning its recovery on an idealistic new president,
> Watchmen's director believes his movie can serve as a bracing blast
of
> healthy skepticism. ''Someone asked me if I thought that because
> Barack Obama had been elected president, the movie was no longer
> relevant. I said, 'Wow, that's a very optimistic view of the
> future!''' says Snyder. ''The movie, like the comic, says, 'These
> superhero stories you've been feasting on? What if we took them
> seriously? What if we thought through the consequences? Where do
they
> get us?' That's the fun.''
>
> NEXT PAGE: ''I felt like Watchmen was this very, very bad thing
that I
> shouldn't be reading, and if my mom caught me with it I'd be f---ing
> doomed.''
>
> http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259927,00.html
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!

[Martin Baxter]

I'll believe that after I see it on basic cable in a couple of years.

And had a few...

Martin (tee-totaler for life)





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 Date : Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:30:41 -0500

 From : Daryle Lockhart 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


I heard last night from someone who saw the movie that it's the 
greatest comic book movie ever made. To which I said "Greater 
than Spider-Man 2?" And they said "SO much better."

So now I don't know what to think.


On Feb 23, 2009, at 1:02 PM, B. Smith wrote:

> I've heard that the movie is uber faithful until the end. Sometimes
> that can work (see Jaws) and sometimes it fails miserably.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"
>  wrote:
> >
> > It'll make the studio its money back, easily. But there will be a
> LOT of disappointed (read p*ssed-off) fans coming out of the theaters.
> >
> > Martin (again waving the "Animation Now, Animation Forever" banner)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> Subject : [scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!
> >
> Date : Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:00:04 -
> >
> From : "ravenadal" 
> >
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259927,00.html
> >
> > By Jeff Jensen
> >
> > They have come to glimpse the miracle. They have come to witness the
> > revolution. They have come for Watchmen — the allegedly unfilmable
> > superhero movie, the long-awaited adaptation of the comic book that
> > changed the face of comic books forever. On this warm July morning,
> > over 5,000 fans attending the annual geek pop summit known as
> > Comic-Con have assembled inside the San Diego Convention Center for
> a
> > first look. Many spent the night on the sidewalk. Some have come in
> > costumes — most modeled after Rorschach, a vigilante with an
> inkblot
> > mask and a pitiless brand of justice that makes Batman look like
> > Bambi. Behind the stage, indie-movie icon Kevin Smith, a.k.a. the
> Most
> > Famous Fanboy in the World, parks himself in front of a closed-
> circuit
> > TV, a happy grin on his bearded mug. ''You have to understand, I've
> > been waiting for this moment for years,'' says Smith. ''This is it,
> > man. This is the pinnacle. You have no idea how f---ing pumped I
> am.''
> >
> > All this, for a violent, ironic superhero epic that doesn't like
> > superheroes in the first place. Directed by 300's Zack Snyder,
> > Watchmen presents a set of familiar superhero archetypes — and then
> > subverts them completely, turning them into criminals, jerks,
> > narcissists, megalomaniacs, and plain ol' whiny wusses. Rorschach
> > (Jackie Earl Haley) is like the Spirit...except he's a joyless,
> > hard-line misanthrope. The Comedian (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) is like
> > Captain America...but loyal only to sadistic thrills and a corrupt
> > worldview. Nite Owl (Patrick Wilson) is part Batman, part Iron
> > Man...except he's also a schlubby, impotent coward. Ozymandias
> > (Matthew Goode) is the resident genius...who's built an empire on
> > superhero toys. (You see what we mean by irony.) Says Billy Crudup,
> > whose blue, naked Dr. Manhattan is an almighty Superman dangerously
> > detached from his own humanity: ''Watchmen is a kind of thrilling
> > thought experiment. What would people who dress up in costumes to
> > fight crime actually be like? Well, they'd probably be fetishists
> who
> > lived on the fringes of society. They'd all be a bunch of freaking
> > lunatics.''
> >
> > Yet for all its self-awareness and cynicism, Watchmen isn't some
> > cheap-and-silly Scary Movie parody. Adapted faithfully, if not
> > completely, from the celebrated 1986 comic-book series, Snyder's
> film
> > is visually and intellectually ambitious, filled with heady
> > ruminations about savior figures, pop culture, and the politics of
> > fear. At a time when superhero stories are commonplace and our
> shaken
> > country is pinning its recovery on an idealistic new president,
> > Watchmen's director believes his movie can serve as a bracing blast
> of
> > healthy skepticism. ''Someone asked me if I thought that because
> > Barack Obama had been elected president, the movie was no longer
> > relevant. I said, 'Wow, that's a very optimistic view of the
> > future!''' says Snyder. ''The movie, like the comic, says, 'These
> > superhero stories you've been feasting on? What if we took them
> > seriously? What if we thought through the consequences? Where do
> they
> > get us?' That's the fun.''
> >
> > NEXT PAGE: ''I felt like Watchmen was this very, very bad thing
> that I
> > shouldn't be reading, and if my mom caught me with it I'd be f---ing
> > doomed.''
> >
> > http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259927,00.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
> >
>
>
> 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!

[B. Smith]

I've posted about my love for Watchmen many times and I can 
understand why they tweaked the big reveal. The original climax is a 
great WTF??? comic book moment but it might not translate well.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart  wrote:
>
> I heard last night from someone who saw the movie that it's the   
> greatest  comic book movie ever  made. To  which  I said "Greater  
> than Spider-Man 2?" And they  said "SO much better."
> 
> So now I don't know what to think.
> 
> 
> On Feb 23, 2009, at 1:02 PM, B. Smith wrote:
> 
> > I've heard that the movie is uber faithful until the end. 
Sometimes
> > that can work (see Jaws) and sometimes it fails miserably.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > It'll make the studio its money back, easily. But there will be 
a
> > LOT of disappointed (read p*ssed-off) fans coming out of the 
theaters.
> > >
> > > Martin (again waving the "Animation Now, Animation Forever" 
banner)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > >
> > Subject : [scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!
> > >
> > Date : Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:00:04 -
> > >
> > From : "ravenadal" 
> > >
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259927,00.html
> > >
> > > By Jeff Jensen
> > >
> > > They have come to glimpse the miracle. They have come to 
witness the
> > > revolution. They have come for Watchmen — the allegedly 
unfilmable
> > > superhero movie, the long-awaited adaptation of the comic book 
that
> > > changed the face of comic books forever. On this warm July 
morning,
> > > over 5,000 fans attending the annual geek pop summit known as
> > > Comic-Con have assembled inside the San Diego Convention Center 
for
> > a
> > > first look. Many spent the night on the sidewalk. Some have 
come in
> > > costumes — most modeled after Rorschach, a vigilante with an
> > inkblot
> > > mask and a pitiless brand of justice that makes Batman look like
> > > Bambi. Behind the stage, indie-movie icon Kevin Smith, a.k.a. 
the
> > Most
> > > Famous Fanboy in the World, parks himself in front of a closed-
> > circuit
> > > TV, a happy grin on his bearded mug. ''You have to understand, 
I've
> > > been waiting for this moment for years,'' says Smith. ''This is 
it,
> > > man. This is the pinnacle. You have no idea how f---ing pumped I
> > am.''
> > >
> > > All this, for a violent, ironic superhero epic that doesn't like
> > > superheroes in the first place. Directed by 300's Zack Snyder,
> > > Watchmen presents a set of familiar superhero archetypes — and 
then
> > > subverts them completely, turning them into criminals, jerks,
> > > narcissists, megalomaniacs, and plain ol' whiny wusses. 
Rorschach
> > > (Jackie Earl Haley) is like the Spirit...except he's a joyless,
> > > hard-line misanthrope. The Comedian (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) is 
like
> > > Captain America...but loyal only to sadistic thrills and a 
corrupt
> > > worldview. Nite Owl (Patrick Wilson) is part Batman, part Iron
> > > Man...except he's also a schlubby, impotent coward. Ozymandias
> > > (Matthew Goode) is the resident genius...who's built an empire 
on
> > > superhero toys. (You see what we mean by irony.) Says Billy 
Crudup,
> > > whose blue, naked Dr. Manhattan is an almighty Superman 
dangerously
> > > detached from his own humanity: ''Watchmen is a kind of 
thrilling
> > > thought experiment. What would people who dress up in costumes 
to
> > > fight crime actually be like? Well, they'd probably be 
fetishists
> > who
> > > lived on the fringes of society. They'd all be a bunch of 
freaking
> > > lunatics.''
> > >
> > > Yet for all its self-awareness and cynicism, Watchmen isn't some
> > > cheap-and-silly Scary Movie parody. Adapted faithfully, if not
> > > completely, from the celebrated 1986 comic-book series, Snyder's
> > film
> > > is visually and intellectually ambitious, filled with heady
> > > ruminations about savior figures, pop culture, and the politics 
of
> > > fear. At a time when superhero stories are commonplace and our
> > shaken
> > > country is pinning its recovery on an idealistic new president,
> > > Watchmen's director believes his movie can serve as a bracing 
blast
> > of
> > > healthy skepticism. ''Someone asked me if I thought that because
> > > Barack Obama had been elected president, the movie was no longer
> > > relevant. I said, 'Wow, that's a very optimistic view of the
> > > future!''' says Snyder. ''The movie, like the comic, 
says, 'These
> > > superhero stories you've been feasting on? What if we took them
> > > seriously? What if we thought through the consequences? Where do
> > they
> > > get us?' That's the fun.''
> > >
> > > NEXT PAGE: ''I felt like Watchmen was this very, very bad thing
> > that I
> > > shouldn't be reading, and if my mom caught me with it I'd be f--
-ing
> > > doomed.''
> > >
> > > http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259927,00.html
> > >
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!

[Martin Baxter]

As I just said, B, I'll judge that when I've caught its world premiere on basic 
cable. I'm not spending a dime on it. When it's officially released, I'll dig 
out my trade and begin reading. I know it won't disappoint me...





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!

 Date : Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:02:23 -

 From : "B. Smith" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


I've heard that the movie is uber faithful until the end. Sometimes 
that can work (see Jaws) and sometimes it fails miserably.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter" 
 wrote:
>
> It'll make the studio its money back, easily. But there will be a 
LOT of disappointed (read p*ssed-off) fans coming out of the theaters.
> 
> Martin (again waving the "Animation Now, Animation Forever" banner)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
-[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
 Subject : [scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!
> 
 Date : Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:00:04 -
> 
 From : "ravenadal" 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259927,00.html
> 
> By Jeff Jensen
> 
> They have come to glimpse the miracle. They have come to witness the
> revolution. They have come for Watchmen — the allegedly unfilmable
> superhero movie, the long-awaited adaptation of the comic book that
> changed the face of comic books forever. On this warm July morning,
> over 5,000 fans attending the annual geek pop summit known as
> Comic-Con have assembled inside the San Diego Convention Center for 
a
> first look. Many spent the night on the sidewalk. Some have come in
> costumes — most modeled after Rorschach, a vigilante with an 
inkblot
> mask and a pitiless brand of justice that makes Batman look like
> Bambi. Behind the stage, indie-movie icon Kevin Smith, a.k.a. the 
Most
> Famous Fanboy in the World, parks himself in front of a closed-
circuit
> TV, a happy grin on his bearded mug. ''You have to understand, I've
> been waiting for this moment for years,'' says Smith. ''This is it,
> man. This is the pinnacle. You have no idea how f---ing pumped I 
am.''
> 
> All this, for a violent, ironic superhero epic that doesn't like
> superheroes in the first place. Directed by 300's Zack Snyder,
> Watchmen presents a set of familiar superhero archetypes — and then
> subverts them completely, turning them into criminals, jerks,
> narcissists, megalomaniacs, and plain ol' whiny wusses. Rorschach
> (Jackie Earl Haley) is like the Spirit...except he's a joyless,
> hard-line misanthrope. The Comedian (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) is like
> Captain America...but loyal only to sadistic thrills and a corrupt
> worldview. Nite Owl (Patrick Wilson) is part Batman, part Iron
> Man...except he's also a schlubby, impotent coward. Ozymandias
> (Matthew Goode) is the resident genius...who's built an empire on
> superhero toys. (You see what we mean by irony.) Says Billy Crudup,
> whose blue, naked Dr. Manhattan is an almighty Superman dangerously
> detached from his own humanity: ''Watchmen is a kind of thrilling
> thought experiment. What would people who dress up in costumes to
> fight crime actually be like? Well, they'd probably be fetishists 
who
> lived on the fringes of society. They'd all be a bunch of freaking
> lunatics.''
> 
> Yet for all its self-awareness and cynicism, Watchmen isn't some
> cheap-and-silly Scary Movie parody. Adapted faithfully, if not
> completely, from the celebrated 1986 comic-book series, Snyder's 
film
> is visually and intellectually ambitious, filled with heady
> ruminations about savior figures, pop culture, and the politics of
> fear. At a time when superhero stories are commonplace and our 
shaken
> country is pinning its recovery on an idealistic new president,
> Watchmen's director believes his movie can serve as a bracing blast 
of
> healthy skepticism. ''Someone asked me if I thought that because
> Barack Obama had been elected president, the movie was no longer
> relevant. I said, 'Wow, that's a very optimistic view of the
> future!''' says Snyder. ''The movie, like the comic, says, 'These
> superhero stories you've been feasting on? What if we took them
> seriously? What if we thought through the consequences? Where do 
they
> get us?' That's the fun.''
> 
> NEXT PAGE: ''I felt like Watchmen was this very, very bad thing 
that I
> shouldn't be reading, and if my mom caught me with it I'd be f---ing
> doomed.''
> 
> http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259927,00.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!

[Martin Baxter]

B, we'll never know, because we can't be sure if they tried, or even intended 
to. If they're making the movie for the fans of the comic, they should have 
enough faith in our intelligence to believe that we would get the moment. And, 
for those who aren't, I'd hope that they were intelligent enough to puzzle it 
out.

But then, I ask a lot of the world sometimes...





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!

 Date : Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:04:27 -

 From : "B. Smith" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


I've posted about my love for Watchmen many times and I can 
understand why they tweaked the big reveal. The original climax is a 
great WTF??? comic book moment but it might not translate well.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart  wrote:
>
> I heard last night from someone who saw the movie that it's the 
> greatest comic book movie ever made. To which I said "Greater 
> than Spider-Man 2?" And they said "SO much better."
> 
> So now I don't know what to think.
> 
> 
> On Feb 23, 2009, at 1:02 PM, B. Smith wrote:
> 
> > I've heard that the movie is uber faithful until the end. 
Sometimes
> > that can work (see Jaws) and sometimes it fails miserably.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > It'll make the studio its money back, easily. But there will be 
a
> > LOT of disappointed (read p*ssed-off) fans coming out of the 
theaters.
> > >
> > > Martin (again waving the "Animation Now, Animation Forever" 
banner)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > >
> > Subject : [scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!
> > >
> > Date : Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:00:04 -
> > >
> > From : "ravenadal" 
> > >
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259927,00.html
> > >
> > > By Jeff Jensen
> > >
> > > They have come to glimpse the miracle. They have come to 
witness the
> > > revolution. They have come for Watchmen — the allegedly 
unfilmable
> > > superhero movie, the long-awaited adaptation of the comic book 
that
> > > changed the face of comic books forever. On this warm July 
morning,
> > > over 5,000 fans attending the annual geek pop summit known as
> > > Comic-Con have assembled inside the San Diego Convention Center 
for
> > a
> > > first look. Many spent the night on the sidewalk. Some have 
come in
> > > costumes — most modeled after Rorschach, a vigilante with an
> > inkblot
> > > mask and a pitiless brand of justice that makes Batman look like
> > > Bambi. Behind the stage, indie-movie icon Kevin Smith, a.k.a. 
the
> > Most
> > > Famous Fanboy in the World, parks himself in front of a closed-
> > circuit
> > > TV, a happy grin on his bearded mug. ''You have to understand, 
I've
> > > been waiting for this moment for years,'' says Smith. ''This is 
it,
> > > man. This is the pinnacle. You have no idea how f---ing pumped I
> > am.''
> > >
> > > All this, for a violent, ironic superhero epic that doesn't like
> > > superheroes in the first place. Directed by 300's Zack Snyder,
> > > Watchmen presents a set of familiar superhero archetypes — and 
then
> > > subverts them completely, turning them into criminals, jerks,
> > > narcissists, megalomaniacs, and plain ol' whiny wusses. 
Rorschach
> > > (Jackie Earl Haley) is like the Spirit...except he's a joyless,
> > > hard-line misanthrope. The Comedian (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) is 
like
> > > Captain America...but loyal only to sadistic thrills and a 
corrupt
> > > worldview. Nite Owl (Patrick Wilson) is part Batman, part Iron
> > > Man...except he's also a schlubby, impotent coward. Ozymandias
> > > (Matthew Goode) is the resident genius...who's built an empire 
on
> > > superhero toys. (You see what we mean by irony.) Says Billy 
Crudup,
> > > whose blue, naked Dr. Manhattan is an almighty Superman 
dangerously
> > > detached from his own humanity: ''Watchmen is a kind of 
thrilling
> > > thought experiment. What would people who dress up in costumes 
to
> > > fight crime actually be like? Well, they'd probably be 
fetishists
> > who
> > > lived on the fringes of society. They'd all be a bunch of 
freaking
> > > lunatics.''
> > >
> > > Yet for all its self-awareness and cynicism, Watchmen isn't some
> > > cheap-and-silly Scary Movie parody. Adapted faithfully, if not
> > > completely, from the celebrated 1986 comic-book series, Snyder's
> > film
> > > is visually and intellectually ambitious, filled with heady
> > > ruminations about savior figures, pop culture, and the politics 
of
> > > fear. At a time when superhero stories are commonplace and our
> > shaken
> > > country is pinning its recovery on an idealistic new president,
> > > Watchmen's director believes his movie can serve as a bracing 
blast
> > of
> > > healthy skepticism. ''Someone asked me if I thought that because
> > > Barack Obama had been elected president, the movie was n

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!

[Keith Johnson]

Intriguing! And thanks so much, guys, for not putting any spoilers out. I have 
*no* clue as to this ending of whodunit you're discussing, but will find out in 
a week or two, as I'm buying the work tomorrow. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:10:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes! 






B, we'll never know, because we can't be sure if they tried, or even 
intended to. If they're making the movie for the fans of the comic, they should 
have enough faith in our intelligence to believe that we would get the moment. 
And, for those who aren't, I'd hope that they were intelligent enough to puzzle 
it out. 

But then, I ask a lot of the world sometimes... 






-[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes! 
Date : Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:04:27 - 
>From : "B. Smith"  
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

I've posted about my love for Watchmen many times and I can 
understand why they tweaked the big reveal. The original climax is a 
great WTF??? comic book moment but it might not translate well. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart wrote: 
> 
> I heard last night from someone who saw the movie that it's the 
> greatest comic book movie ever made. To which I said "Greater 
> than Spider-Man 2?" And they said "SO much better." 
> 
> So now I don't know what to think. 
> 
> 
> On Feb 23, 2009, at 1:02 PM, B. Smith wrote: 
> 
> > I've heard that the movie is uber faithful until the end. 
Sometimes 
> > that can work (see Jaws) and sometimes it fails miserably. 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter" 
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > It'll make the studio its money back, easily. But there will be 
a 
> > LOT of disappointed (read p*ssed-off) fans coming out of the 
theaters. 
> > > 
> > > Martin (again waving the "Animation Now, Animation Forever" 
banner) 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
> > > 
> > Subject : [scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes! 
> > > 
> > Date : Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:00:04 - 
> > > 
> > From : "ravenadal" 
> > > 
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > 
> > > 
> > http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259927,00.html 
> > > 
> > > By Jeff Jensen 
> > > 
> > > They have come to glimpse the miracle. They have come to 
witness the 
> > > revolution. They have come for Watchmen — the allegedly 
unfilmable 
> > > superhero movie, the long-awaited adaptation of the comic book 
that 
> > > changed the face of comic books forever. On this warm July 
morning, 
> > > over 5,000 fans attending the annual geek pop summit known as 
> > > Comic-Con have assembled inside the San Diego Convention Center 
for 
> > a 
> > > first look. Many spent the night on the sidewalk. Some have 
come in 
> > > costumes — most modeled after Rorschach, a vigilante with an 
> > inkblot 
> > > mask and a pitiless brand of justice that makes Batman look like 
> > > Bambi. Behind the stage, indie-movie icon Kevin Smith, a.k.a. 
the 
> > Most 
> > > Famous Fanboy in the World, parks himself in front of a closed- 
> > circuit 
> > > TV, a happy grin on his bearded mug. ''You have to understand, 
I've 
> > > been waiting for this moment for years,'' says Smith. ''This is 
it, 
> > > man. This is the pinnacle. You have no idea how f---ing pumped I 
> > am.'' 
> > > 
> > > All this, for a violent, ironic superhero epic that doesn't like 
> > > superheroes in the first place. Directed by 300's Zack Snyder, 
> > > Watchmen presents a set of familiar superhero archetypes — and 
then 
> > > subverts them completely, turning them into criminals, jerks, 
> > > narcissists, megalomaniacs, and plain ol' whiny wusses. 
Rorschach 
> > > (Jackie Earl Haley) is like the Spirit...except he's a joyless, 
> > > hard-line misanthrope. The Comedian (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) is 
like 
> > > Captain America...but loyal only to sadistic thrills and a 
corrupt 
> > > worldview. Nite Owl (Patrick Wilson) is part Batman, part Iron 
> > > Man...except he's also a schlubby, impotent coward. Ozymandias 
> > > (Matthew Goode) is the resident genius...who's built an empire 
on 
> > > superhero toys. (You see what we mean by irony.) Says Billy 
Crudup, 
> > > whose blue, naked Dr. Manhattan is an almighty Superman 
dangerously 
> > > detached from his own humanity: ''Watchmen is a kind of 
thrilling 
> > > thought experiment. What would people who dress up in costumes 
to 
> > > fight crime actually be like? Well, they'd probably be 
fetishists 
> > who 
> > > lived on the fringes of society. They'd all be a bunch of 
freaking 
> > > lunatics.'' 
> > > 
> > > Yet for all its self-awareness and cynicism, Watchmen isn't some 
> > > cheap-and-silly Scary Movie parody. Adapted faithfully, if not 
> > > completely, from the celebrated 1986 comic-book ser

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Hugo Awards Message Repeat

[Keith Johnson]

Hey Martin, 

I've gotten the same message (below) from you at least ten times. I wanted to 
see if it's Comcast, Yahoo, or perhaps you're PC? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:09:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Hugo Awards add Graphic Novel Category 






I know, Justin. Still... I'm sure you've gotten one of those feelings 
that just won't go away. 

This is mine. 






-[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Hugo Awards add Graphic Novel Category 
Date : Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:58:37 -0500 
>From : Justin Mohareb  
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

The Hugos tend to be for newer material. Plus, Watchmen already won one. 

Justin 

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Martin Baxter 
wrote: 
> What do I see in my crystal ball? 
> 
> Why, it's "Watchmen" winning the first-ever Best Graphic Novel Hugo Award! 
> 
> Martin (hoping that "Locke & Key" wins) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
> 
> Subject : [scifinoir2] Hugo Awards add Graphic Novel Category 
> 
> Date : Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:17:09 - 
> 
> From : "ravenadal" 
> 
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> 
> Fri Aug 29, 2008 — by Robert Greenberger 
> Hugo Awards add Graphic Novel Category 
> 2009 to Debut New Award 
> 
> When The Watchmen won the 1988 Hugo Award for Best Novel, horrified 
> science fiction purists saw to it that graphic material be excluded 
> from consideration. Until now that has remained the case but next 
> year, the World Science Fiction convention will be adding the Hugo 
> Award for Best Graphic Story to the ballot "to honor works in which 
> illustrations are integral to the movement of the plot, whether or not 
> text is present. The special Hugo, to be called Best Graphic Story, 
> will cover any science fiction or fantasy narrative in graphic form 
> appearing for the first time in 2008. It may potentially be ratified 
> as an annual award at the WSFS Business meeting at the convention." 
> 
> Material to be considered will be any science fiction or fantasy 
> narrative in graphic form appearing for the first time in 2008. Those 
> who purchased memberships to this year's World Con, held in Denver, 
> and next year's, will be eligible to nominate works whern the process 
> begins next spring while only those holding 2009 memberships will be 
> eligible to vote for the winner. 
> 
> The 2009 World Con will be Anticipation, held in Montreal from August 
> 6-10 with guests of honor including Neil Gaiman, Élisabeth Vonarburg, 
> Ralph Bakshi, Taral Wayne, Tom Doherty, David Hartwell, and Julie 
> Czerneda. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 



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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Hugo Awards Message Repeat

[Martin Baxter]

Keith,

Ten-to-one it's Yahu. I remember punching this one out into the aether, but 
never got a copy back for myself. Same problem with my other Yahu groups.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Hugo Awards Message Repeat

 Date : Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:23:14 + (UTC)

 From : Keith Johnson 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Hey Martin, 

I've gotten the same message (below) from you at least ten times. I wanted to 
see if it's Comcast, Yahoo, or perhaps you're PC? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:09:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Hugo Awards add Graphic Novel Category 






I know, Justin. Still... I'm sure you've gotten one of those feelings 
that just won't go away. 

This is mine. 






-[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Hugo Awards add Graphic Novel Category 
Date : Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:58:37 -0500 
>From : Justin Mohareb  
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

The Hugos tend to be for newer material. Plus, Watchmen already won one. 

Justin 

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Martin Baxter 
wrote: 
> What do I see in my crystal ball? 
> 
> Why, it's "Watchmen" winning the first-ever Best Graphic Novel Hugo Award! 
> 
> Martin (hoping that "Locke & Key" wins) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
> 
> Subject : [scifinoir2] Hugo Awards add Graphic Novel Category 
> 
> Date : Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:17:09 - 
> 
> From : "ravenadal" 
> 
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> 
> Fri Aug 29, 2008 — by Robert Greenberger 
> Hugo Awards add Graphic Novel Category 
> 2009 to Debut New Award 
> 
> When The Watchmen won the 1988 Hugo Award for Best Novel, horrified 
> science fiction purists saw to it that graphic material be excluded 
> from consideration. Until now that has remained the case but next 
> year, the World Science Fiction convention will be adding the Hugo 
> Award for Best Graphic Story to the ballot "to honor works in which 
> illustrations are integral to the movement of the plot, whether or not 
> text is present. The special Hugo, to be called Best Graphic Story, 
> will cover any science fiction or fantasy narrative in graphic form 
> appearing for the first time in 2008. It may potentially be ratified 
> as an annual award at the WSFS Business meeting at the convention." 
> 
> Material to be considered will be any science fiction or fantasy 
> narrative in graphic form appearing for the first time in 2008. Those 
> who purchased memberships to this year's World Con, held in Denver, 
> and next year's, will be eligible to nominate works whern the process 
> begins next spring while only those holding 2009 memberships will be 
> eligible to vote for the winner. 
> 
> The 2009 World Con will be Anticipation, held in Montreal from August 
> 6-10 with guests of honor including Neil Gaiman, Élisabeth Vonarburg, 
> Ralph Bakshi, Taral Wayne, Tom Doherty, David Hartwell, and Julie 
> Czerneda. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 



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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes!

[Martin Baxter]

Ever so happy not to ruin!





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 From : Keith Johnson 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Intriguing! And thanks so much, guys, for not putting any spoilers out. I have 
*no* clue as to this ending of whodunit you're discussing, but will find out in 
a week or two, as I'm buying the work tomorrow. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:10:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes! 






B, we'll never know, because we can't be sure if they tried, or even 
intended to. If they're making the movie for the fans of the comic, they should 
have enough faith in our intelligence to believe that we would get the moment. 
And, for those who aren't, I'd hope that they were intelligent enough to puzzle 
it out. 

But then, I ask a lot of the world sometimes... 






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Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes! 
Date : Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:04:27 - 
>From : "B. Smith"  
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

I've posted about my love for Watchmen many times and I can 
understand why they tweaked the big reveal. The original climax is a 
great WTF??? comic book moment but it might not translate well. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart wrote: 
> 
> I heard last night from someone who saw the movie that it's the 
> greatest comic book movie ever made. To which I said "Greater 
> than Spider-Man 2?" And they said "SO much better." 
> 
> So now I don't know what to think. 
> 
> 
> On Feb 23, 2009, at 1:02 PM, B. Smith wrote: 
> 
> > I've heard that the movie is uber faithful until the end. 
Sometimes 
> > that can work (see Jaws) and sometimes it fails miserably. 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter" 
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > It'll make the studio its money back, easily. But there will be 
a 
> > LOT of disappointed (read p*ssed-off) fans coming out of the 
theaters. 
> > > 
> > > Martin (again waving the "Animation Now, Animation Forever" 
banner) 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
> > > 
> > Subject : [scifinoir2] "Watchmen": Sex! Blood! Superheroes! 
> > > 
> > Date : Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:00:04 - 
> > > 
> > From : "ravenadal" 
> > > 
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > 
> > > 
> > http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259927,00.html 
> > > 
> > > By Jeff Jensen 
> > > 
> > > They have come to glimpse the miracle. They have come to 
witness the 
> > > revolution. They have come for Watchmen — the allegedly 
unfilmable 
> > > superhero movie, the long-awaited adaptation of the comic book 
that 
> > > changed the face of comic books forever. On this warm July 
morning, 
> > > over 5,000 fans attending the annual geek pop summit known as 
> > > Comic-Con have assembled inside the San Diego Convention Center 
for 
> > a 
> > > first look. Many spent the night on the sidewalk. Some have 
come in 
> > > costumes — most modeled after Rorschach, a vigilante with an 
> > inkblot 
> > > mask and a pitiless brand of justice that makes Batman look like 
> > > Bambi. Behind the stage, indie-movie icon Kevin Smith, a.k.a. 
the 
> > Most 
> > > Famous Fanboy in the World, parks himself in front of a closed- 
> > circuit 
> > > TV, a happy grin on his bearded mug. ''You have to understand, 
I've 
> > > been waiting for this moment for years,'' says Smith. ''This is 
it, 
> > > man. This is the pinnacle. You have no idea how f---ing pumped I 
> > am.'' 
> > > 
> > > All this, for a violent, ironic superhero epic that doesn't like 
> > > superheroes in the first place. Directed by 300's Zack Snyder, 
> > > Watchmen presents a set of familiar superhero archetypes — and 
then 
> > > subverts them completely, turning them into criminals, jerks, 
> > > narcissists, megalomaniacs, and plain ol' whiny wusses. 
Rorschach 
> > > (Jackie Earl Haley) is like the Spirit...except he's a joyless, 
> > > hard-line misanthrope. The Comedian (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) is 
like 
> > > Captain America...but loyal only to sadistic thrills and a 
corrupt 
> > > worldview. Nite Owl (Patrick Wilson) is part Batman, part Iron 
> > > Man...except he's also a schlubby, impotent coward. Ozymandias 
> > > (Matthew Goode) is the resident genius...who's built an empire 
on 
> > > superhero toys. (You see what we mean by irony.) Says Billy 
Crudup, 
> > > whose blue, naked Dr. Manhattan is an almighty Superman 
dangerously 
> > > detached from his own humanity: ''Watchmen is a kind of 
thrilling 
> > > thought experiment. What would people who dress up in costumes 
to 
> > > fight crime actually be like? Well, they'd probably be 
fetishists 
> > who 
> > > lived on the fringes of society. They'd 

[scifinoir2] Nation's blacks creeped out by all the people smiling at them

[ravenadal]

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nations_blacks_creeped_out_by_all

Re: [scifinoir2] Nation's blacks creeped out by all the people smiling at them

[Justin Mohareb]

I love the punchline.

Justin

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:21 PM, ravenadal  wrote:
> http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nations_blacks_creeped_out_by_all
>
> 



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RE: [scifinoir2] Nation's blacks creeped out by all the people smiling at them

[Reece Jennings]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  There's a lot of truth to this!!!
 
I noticed that white folks, especially older white men, standing close to me
in
Dunkin' Donuts!
 

  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ravenadal
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:22 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Nation's blacks creeped out by all the people smiling
at them



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..com/content/news/nations_blacks_creeped_out_by_all

[scifinoir2] Pioneer's Ending Plasma TV a Sign of Things to Come?

[Keith Johnson]

Well, this is disturbing to me. Although just about everyone I know is buying 
LCDs, I still find the picture of a plasma to be superiour overall. I guess the 
only good news is that Panasonic at least will keep making plasmas for a while, 
and, maybe it'll be possible for me to score a top-of-the-line Pioneer at a 
good price later this year... 


* 

http://newteevee.com/2009/02/21/pioneers-kuro-killing-a-tipping-point-in-the-plasma-era/
 


Pioneer’s Kuro Killing: A Tipping Point in the Plasma Era 



The end of the Pioneer Kuro line of TVs represented a true tipping point in the 
TV industry, one preceded by long-gestating momentum from opposing forces. The 
recession and LCDs tipped over plasmas for good, and the slope downward will be 
quite steep, and fast. 




Last week, Pioneer announced it was killing off its critically acclaimed TV 
business by March 2010 and will concentrate on car and audio/visual systems. It 
was a dramatic fall for a company that just one year ago had CES abuzz with its 
newest plasma TV, the so-called “Ultimate Black” Kuro. 




The Kuro’s tech was impressive because it reduced light emissions from black 
areas of the screen to such a degree that at its maximum brightness, the 
contrast ratio was “almost infinite.” The result was a plasma display with the 
most vibrant, colorful images yet. 




But even at the hype’s peak, problems in the plasma industry were apparent. 

Plasmas were at their most popular from 2004 to 2006, a period that saw them 
overtake rear-projection TVs as the top big-TV format. But they had a tough 
time offsetting their lowest average prices with high sale volumes. The spectre 
of LCDs also prompted many customers to hold off on making a purchase. By 
February ‘08, soon after the recession had officially taken hold, 
premium-quality Pioneers seemed out of touch. Most critically, LCDs were 
sporting features long the domain of plasma: bigger screens, greater contrast 
ratios, thinner and cheaper sets. LCD picture quality still failed to reach 
plasma levels, but to average consumers, the difference was no longer obvious. 






Fast-forward to the start of 2009, and LCDs were outselling plasmas 8-to-1 
globally , and the dominating the best-selling lists on Amazon.com. 




Pioneer tried a last-ditch partnership with Panasonic to create a version of 
its plasma TVs, contributing its own “secret sauce” to keep the Kuro tech 
flowing, but that effort appears to be over. 




The slumping demand is already having consequences: Projected losses of $1.41 
billion in 2008-09 (following a loss of $203 million in 2007-08) and a nearly 
50 percent drop in operating revenue have set the scene for 10,000 jobs cuts 
and the closing of U.S., UK and Japanese facilities. But Pioneer’s not the only 
TV maker suffering. They’re all taking it on the chin, regardless of display 
type. 




Both Hitachi andVizio had to end the bleeding by shuttering plasmas to 
concentrate on LCDs. And not even the usually flush holiday period buoyed TV 
companies to a safe financial landing: Sony, Panasonic, and LG all posted lower 
quarterly profits. 




Component suppliers have similarly been unable to escape the pain. As Om noted 
in recent posts , screen manufacturer Corning posted fourth-quarter 2008 
revenues of $1.1 billion and still had to let go of 3,500 jobs. 

Pioneer’s decision to end its plasma production was more complicated. It bought 
out NEC’s plasma business in 2004, used it as an OEM for its glass, but was 
recently forced to shutter the unit . Now, the only plasma manufacturers left 
standing are Panasonic, LG, and Samsung, all of which make their own 
components. 

Panasonic is in good position to benefit from Kuro’s death. Most of the Pioneer 
engineers who came up with Kuro switched sides and are now working for 
Panasonic. In addition, recent demos have shown that Panasonic plasmas are 
nearing Kuro quality. Already in possession of the biggest plasma market share 
in the world (at more than 35 percent), the company will be able to build a 
diversified product line using plasma TVs as a premium screen type that appeals 
to a niche that still wants them. Add to that the fact that it receives 
significant revenues from selling its glass to other companies, including JVC 
and Fujitsu, and it appears that it’ll be able to keep plasmas afloat longer 
than any other company. Panasonic will inherit the burdens of the difficult 
economy and the LCD challenge, but once plasma is no longer economically 
feasible, its own LCDs will have likely caught up in picture quality. In fact, 
ultimate black contrast tech is already getting closer to LCDs. So it’s only a 
matter of a few years (maybe even less) before plasmas finally die out. 




As for Pioneer, not all is lost. Reps say that the plasma TVs only accounted 
for 14 percent of its business worldwide, and patents for the Kuro technology 
will provide a profi

[scifinoir2] FW: Vampire genesis - an origin story

[Tracey de Morsella]

From: Chris de Morsella [mailto:cdemorse...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:33 PM
To: 'Tracey de Morsella'; 'Paul de Morsella'; juliai...@yahoo.it; Rae; 'S.
Drasnin'
Subject: RE: Vampire genesis

 


Maybe I should get a wooden stake, wear some garlic.


http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/02/a-short-history-
of-vampirism.html


For the vampire buffs, here's an origin story
 


 
090223_vampirism.jpg

Linda Geddes, reporter

You don't expect to learn about vampires at a forensics meeting, but they
were a hot topic of conversation at the American 
Academy of Forensics annual meeting in Denver last week. 

I'd never really thought about where the original

vampire legend might have emerged from, but the appearance of bodies as they
decompose might have been one source of inspiration.

Here are some gruesome things that happen to bodies as they begin to
decompose:

1) Blood and other bodily fluids leak out of the mouth and nose

2) Bacterial activity causes the stomach and intestines to bloat

3) Guttural sounds sometimes emanate from the corpse triggered by the
release of gases - these have been described as groaning or sighing sounds

4) Nails and beard appear to continue to grow after death (it's

actually a myth that growth continues: the extension of hair and nails is an
illusion)

Put these things together, and you might interpret the dead being not so
dead after all, and before you know it, you'd be concluding that the corpses
are bloated from gorging on the blood of the living. Add to this the
possibility that comatose or unconscious patients may have been mistakenly

buried alive, and you have the "dead" rising again - when they woke up and
realised there had been a terrible error of judgement.

Fear of vampires is still strong in some rural parts of Romania. In 2005,
forensic scientists were called to a cemetery in the Romanian village of
Marotinul de Sus, to examine a mutilated corpse. Plagued by sickness and
nightmares after the death of their relative, a 76-year-old retired
schoolteacher, a family had exhumed his corpse, driven a pitchfork into his
chest, and then removed his heart. 

This was then burned and the ashes mixed with peppermint schnapps, which the
family drank. The corpse was then stabbed with wooden stakes, and garlic
sprinkled over the body.

The six family members who participated in this "vampire slaying" were
eventually caught and jailed, greatly angering the local villagers, who
believed that they had performed a great service. The leader of the gang
told police that the corpse had blood around his mouth, and had moaned when
they stabbed him.

(Image: TM & copyright 20th Century Fox / Everett / Rex Features)

 

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[scifinoir2] New California Gold Rush? Tax proposal on Marijuana

[Tracey de Morsella]

New California Gold Rush?  Tax proposal on Marijuana 


by frog belly white   


Mon Feb 23, 2009 at 11:53:53 AM PST


As everyone knows the state of California is knee deep in debt and the
outlook doesn't look very promising for the future to get their economy jump
started even with the stimulus bill being passed.  Finally a state
assemblyman had a lightbulb moment to make some money on the biggest cash
crop going that doesn't get taxed -- pot.

*   frog   belly white's diary ::
:: 
*

Taxing marijuana to raise revenue for your state, it almost sounds like a no
brainer but California will be the first state in the country to tackle
this.  According to the news story that ran this morning  at 
NORML   this idea has caught fire with the California
State Assembly.  The estimate of the amount of revenue raised is close to
one billion dollars a year.

California is just such a trend setting state and even though I live in
Arizona this idea if it worked would spread like wildfire through the rest
of the  nation.  This is the biggest news story of the year about marijuana
reform and taxing it would not interfere with the medical marijuana laws
since they are totally different issues.

Here in Arizona we are gearing up for a medical cannabis initiative to go on
the ballot for 2010 so things are just moving along.

So what does everyone think about this turn of events?  It's almost too good
to be true since this has been a hot topic at DailyKos for months.

 

 

Re: [scifinoir2] New California Gold Rush? Tax proposal on Marijuana

[Amy Harlib]

ahar...@earthlink.net
  Progressives have been clamoring for the decriminilization and taxation of 
pot for years.
  Amy


  New California Gold Rush?  Tax proposal on Marijuana 
  by frog belly white 
  Mon Feb 23, 2009 at 11:53:53 AM PST
  As everyone knows the state of California is knee deep in debt and the 
outlook doesn't look very promising for the future to get their economy jump 
started even with the stimulus bill being passed.  Finally a state assemblyman 
had a lightbulb moment to make some money on the biggest cash crop going that 
doesn't get taxed -- pot.

a.. frog belly white's diary :: :: 
b..   
  Taxing marijuana to raise revenue for your state, it almost sounds like a no 
brainer but California will be the first state in the country to tackle this.  
According to the news story that ran this morning  at 
  NORML this idea has caught fire with the California State Assembly.  The 
estimate of the amount of revenue raised is close to one billion dollars a year.

  California is just such a trend setting state and even though I live in 
Arizona this idea if it worked would spread like wildfire through the rest of 
the  nation.  This is the biggest news story of the year about marijuana reform 
and taxing it would not interfere with the medical marijuana laws since they 
are totally different issues.

  Here in Arizona we are gearing up for a medical cannabis initiative to go on 
the ballot for 2010 so things are just moving along.

  So what does everyone think about this turn of events?  It's almost too good 
to be true since this has been a hot topic at DailyKos for months.

   

   




  


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