Re: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth
Another question I had was, why didn't he live on the aircraft carrier? Were we to assume that the mutants gained strength but not intelligence? How did the mutant set the trap? Why did he own dogs? Why didn't the survivors answer back on the radio? Too many holes... On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I agree with that SUV thing. The movie had so much potential, but someone seems to have decided they had to jazz it up with over-the-top FX. The ending bothered me too, and I felt that the way they staged it actually provided for Smith to have had an ending other than the one he had--has fate wasn't foregone. There was also the matter of his isolation and lack of contact with others: once the other humans show up near the end, he engages methods to find out if he's alone or not, and I kept thinking That's all it took? He could have done that a long time ago! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:29:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth There's one scene that really bugged me in the Will Smith movie. That was the one where they were on the pier and one of the creatures runs into the side of the SUV and flips it over. Ten people could pick it up on the side and turn it over, but it would take at least 20 to run into it with the right timing to turn it over. I agree about the CGI. It was overused. They should have saved it for later. Also the ending bugged me. (I will try not to give that away) The mutants that were left didn't have to leave the room and what about fire? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't seen this version. I like the version with Heston, though it varies from the book (I hear). It's decent '70s scifi. The one aired last week on SyFy was horrible. It was like a Van Damme or Lundgren flick where they throw in the trappings of a scifi world, then execute what is basically a standard fighting/actioneer. the movie didn't even *feel* like it was another world: it looked and felt exactly as if it had been filmed in our current reality, and the fights and stuff were standard martial arts/gun battles from a hundred other movies, most of them non scifi. Horrible. I liked I Am Legend in many ways. Smith did a creditable job. The sense of loneliness and despair is palpable. there are a couple of genuinely scary moments. The major mistakes in the movie are the plotting and pacing, in that the arrival of other humans on the scene takes place very late in the film. Things are then resolved quickly and unsatisfactorily. It's as if they spent all the writing and time on Smith as one man alone, then had to rush things at the end. Could have used anothe twenty minutes to work on that, or cut a bit of the stuff that came before. The other thing that was a bigger problem for me was the use of CGI for the mutated humans. They were in every single scene, painfully, obviously CGI. They were nowhere nearly as convincing as Gollum in LOTR, and it was distracting. The scenes where they attack Smith's house, or menance him on a pier, aren't exciting because they're leaping about like Spider-Man, and the FX used to display those superhuman feats are every bit as false looking as the worse scenes in the Spider-Man movies. I simply couldn't suspend my awareness of the CGI characters enough to be engaged by them--except for one, terrifying moment in a building where the cinematography obscures the CGI nature of the characters. Other than that, good movie. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:14:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth I'm watching the original movie starring Vincent Price on my local PBS station. I think that if they had made the Will Smith movie with vampires instead of zombies it would have been more interesting. What do you think? -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Moon puts fiction back in science fiction
Speaking of Silent Running, I remember reading someone that Lucas stole the idea for R2D2 from that movie. Does anyone here remember hearing about something like that? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I listen to a weekly podcast called Filmspotting where two well-informed guys talk about movies. It's a very enjoyable show. They tend to steer a bit away from the obvious mass-marketing stuff --they see the likes of Star Trek and Transformers, but tend to discuss films more based on those they feel are more focused on good writing, acting, saying something, original films that aren't rehashes, films that take chances. I wouldn't call them stuffy by any means, and I learn a great deal from them. In a world where most critics and viewers only go to the Rotten Tomatoes method, it's nice to still hear people really analyze film on levels other than the CGI, action, and Meagan Fox's attributes. They reviewed Moon and both really liked it. They said the writer and director both stated it's impossible to make a good scifi flick that doesn't borrow from or pay homage to films that have come before. So they went in with that mindset, and pay homage to other great scifi films, learning from them, but, according to the Filmspotting guys, not just ripping them off. It reminds one of Solaris, and 2001, and a couple of others, including Silent Running, but doesn't come off as a copy of any of those, according to these guys. .Their take is that it's a good, thought-provoking movie that uses Rockwell and Spacey well, and both lamented that it'll get lost amidst the summer CGI and action fluff. You can check it out at their site, as Moon is currently featured: http://www.filmspotting.net/ Based on that, I plan to check it out... - Original Message - From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:06:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Moon puts fiction back in science fiction Soalris is written all over this. I may see it but not in a rush to do so. --- On *Sat, 7/11/09, Milton Davis mv_media_...@yahoo.com* wrote: From: Milton Davis mv_media_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Moon puts fiction back in science fiction To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:41 PM I heard it was good. I'll have to check it out. --- On *Sat, 7/11/09, Amy Harlib ahar...@earthlink. net* wrote: From: Amy Harlib ahar...@earthlink. net Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Moon puts fiction back in science fiction To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 12:25 AM ahar...@earthlink. net I saw Moon and loved it! It's that rare thing - an SF film that actually has an intelligent plot and good characterization as well as excellent visuals. It's still playing in a couple of art houses here in NYC. Cheers! Amy Not to stir you up again, Martin, but that's the slight thing that worries me about the new Star Trek. More focus on the gadgetry and FX than the original, and I wince when I hear people say (as the Onion spoofed) that it was fun!. As if that's all there is to Trek to be meaningful, and all they want going forward. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 4:02:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Moon puts fiction back in science fiction rave, this draws me to the movie more than its initial premise. Also reminds me of an argument I had with my Last Ex, her decrying science fiction for being little more than flashy lasers and zoomy spaceships. If I were still on speaking terms with her, I'd forward her this. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *[scifinoir2] Moon puts fiction back in science fiction *Date : *Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:53:12 - *From : *ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=lhIB0mqbPiE http://www.jsonline .com/entertainme nt/movies/ 50384927. html Lonely man in the 'Moon' By Duane Dudek of the Journal Sentinel Posted: July 9, 2009 Moon is one small step for mankind. It puts the fiction back into science fiction, not because it's unbelievable but because it's a life-size and plausible portrait of our daily gravity. Too many genre films are virtual, superheroic variations on arbitrary themes and are slaves to the digital technologies that allow them to portray anything. The less-is-more aesthetic of Moon, by comparison, is a reminder that true creativity is a function of ideas and imagination. In much the same way we take for granted the fact that science drives our lives in countless and invisible ways, Moon takes a satisfyingly pragmatic approach to the extraordinary. And in the process, it puts a human face and
[RE][scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer
Let's send Ryan Reynolds right back to DeadpoolLand... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From : Said Kakese Dibinga s...@bayindogroup.com To : s...@bayindogroup.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTiRnqnvDs Said Yenga Kakese Dibinga Director General The Bayindo Group SA POB 1782 Los Angeles, CA 90078-1782 c: 1.323.599.6228 em: s...@bayindogroup.com skype: saiddibinga http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites
Good vs Evil, a USA show from earlier this decade. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:02:15 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What is G vs E ? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, I mentioned that in my review of Warehouse 13 the other night, along with similarities to Level 9, G vs. E, The Chronicle, and others--and all of them are better than this show. I hope it gets better, but have doubts... but I must say, between SyFy and another channel --was it USA? TNT?--the debut was aired at least half a dozen times in the last week. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:28:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I was thinking like you. Friday the thirteen meets XFiles. Dead on *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:26 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I'm glad that someone made the same connection that I was seeing. Warehouse 13 is a LOT like Friday the 13th but a little more humorous. More like Friday the 13th meets Xfiles. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: By Sarah Hope Williams , 2:00 PM on Sun Jul 12 2009 Copy this whole post to another site Slurp cancel [image: sending request] Syfy is back, now with Ys, vying even harder for your attention. But the network's name isn't the only thing that has been re-purposed; its new staple shows seem oddly familiar. Why is Syfy so unapologetically recycling old television? Syfy is trying to impress us with its new look and new shows, like a small-town girl who moves to the big city to be an actress, bleaches her hair platinum blonde and changes her name. And while we remain skeptical of clichéd reinvention, we have to admit – it worked for Norma Jeane. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/07/504x_Warehouse13_cast-thumb-550x268-13745.jpg] *Warehouse 13 * premiered this week on Syfy, and many viewers were filled with a strong sense of Déjà vu. A pair of odd-couple government agents are sent to investigate paranormal activity, blatantly setting the characters up as replicas of Mulder and Scully. Couldn't Syfy at least have mixed things up a bit by making Pete being the by-the-book skeptic and Myka being the intuitive true-believer? But it's not just the agents themselves that are borrowed directly from the archives: [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/friday-series.jpg]The name of show, and its very concept, evokes another direct influence: the quirky Canadian series *Friday the 13th * that aired in 1987, about a pair of cousins who inherit an antique shop that turns out to be filled with supernatural artifacts. They too are aided by an eccentric middle-aged man with a vast knowledge of the supernatural. In *Friday*, the female lead is named Micki, and *Warehouse's* tight-laced female agent is Myka – here again, Syfy strives to make things new and shiny by swapping ys for is. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/T1iT41eeWdY_02.jpg] [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/itHmmsweuro.jpg] This isn't a new approach by any means. When Syfy's old staple show, * Eureka*, first premiered in 2006, its premise was equally familiar; government official gets sent to a small town in the Pacific Northwest to investigate a strange occurrence, teams up with local law enforcement and becomes deeply embroiled in the wacky little town and all its colorful characters. Sheriff Carter is no Agent Cooper, but the sense of odd familiarity about the show was undeniable. *Eureka* appeared to be a candy-coated kid's coloring-book version of *Twin Peaks .* [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/C9kejvxRokg.jpg] The question remains, why isn't Syfy trying harder to hide its repackaging of television we already know and love? Do they hope that by transparently recycling these well-worn television tropes they can take a direct route to high ratings and fan admiration? Certainly the ever-increasing number of movie sequels indicates more of the same is a safe bet. Syfy already seems to be engaged in rebooting even more 80's television, including *Quantum Leap* and *Alien Nation*. It is remarkable how much attention all these new shows have gotten on blogs, message boards and by word of mouth. Perhaps the network executives at Syfy know the game better than we imagine, and are inviting us to play along as we watch them pressing our buttons. But don't they
Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites
Keith, it was Bravo that re-aired the pilot a few dozen times. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:17:55 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Yeah, I mentioned that in my review of Warehouse 13 the other night, along with similarities to Level 9, G vs. E, The Chronicle, and others--and all of them are better than this show. I hope it gets better, but have doubts... but I must say, between SyFy and another channel --was it USA? TNT?--the debut was aired at least half a dozen times in the last week. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:28:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I was thinking like you. Friday the thirteen meets XFiles. Dead on From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:26 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I'm glad that someone made the same connection that I was seeing. Warehouse 13 is a LOT like Friday the 13th but a little more humorous. More like Friday the 13th meets Xfiles. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: By Sarah Hope Williams , 2:00 PM on Sun Jul 12 2009 Copy this whole post to another site Slurp cancel sending request Syfy is back, now with Ys, vying even harder for your attention. But the network's name isn't the only thing that has been re-purposed; its new staple shows seem oddly familiar. Why is Syfy so unapologetically recycling old television? Syfy is trying to impress us with its new look and new shows, like a small-town girl who moves to the big city to be an actress, bleaches her hair platinum blonde and changes her name. And while we remain skeptical of clichéd reinvention, we have to admit – it worked for Norma Jeane. http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/07/504x_Warehouse13_cast-thumb-550x268-13745.jpgWarehouse 13 premiered this week on Syfy, and many viewers were filled with a strong sense of Déjà vu. A pair of odd-couple government agents are sent to investigate paranormal activity, blatantly setting the characters up as replicas of Mulder and Scully. Couldn't Syfy at least have mixed things up a bit by making Pete being the by-the-book skeptic and Myka being the intuitive true-believer? But it's not just the agents themselves that are borrowed directly from the archives: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/friday-series.jpgThe name of show, and its very concept, evokes another direct influence: the quirky Canadian series Friday the 13th that aired in 1987, about a pair of cousins who inherit an antique shop that turns out to be filled with supernatural artifacts. They too are aided by an eccentric middle-aged man with a vast knowledge of the supernatural. In Friday , the female lead is named Micki, and Warehouse's tight-laced female agent is Myka – here again, Syfy strives to make things new and shiny by swapping ys for is. http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/T1iT41eeWdY_02.jpg http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/itHmmsweuro.jpg This isn't a new approach by any means. When Syfy's old staple show, Eureka , first premiered in 2006, its premise was equally familiar; government official gets sent to a small town in the Pacific Northwest to investigate a strange occurrence, teams up with local law enforcement and becomes deeply embroiled in the wacky little town and all its colorful characters. Sheriff Carter is no Agent Cooper, but the sense of odd familiarity about the show was undeniable. Eureka appeared to be a candy-coated kid's coloring-book version of Twin Peaks . http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/C9kejvxRokg.jpg The question remains, why isn't Syfy trying harder to hide its repackaging of television we already know and love? Do they hope that by transparently recycling these well-worn television tropes they can take a direct route to high ratings and fan admiration? Certainly the ever-increasing number of movie sequels indicates more of the same is a safe bet. Syfy already seems to be engaged in rebooting even more 80's television, including Quantum Leap and Alien Nation . It is remarkable how much attention all these new shows have gotten on blogs, message boards and by word of mouth. Perhaps the network executives at Syfy know the game better than we imagine, and are inviting us to play along as we watch them pressing our buttons. But don't they also know that familiarity breeds contempt? You have our attention, Syfy – now can you show us something new?
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer
Excellent promo! There are some very talented people out there. The effects were right on par with Hollywood. I think they were using Adobe After Effects. Has anyone watched the 1970s version of the Matrix or some of the star wars fan films? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.comwrote: Let's send Ryan Reynolds right back to DeadpoolLand... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From : Said Kakese Dibinga s...@bayindogroup.com To : s...@bayindogroup.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTiRnqnvDs Said Yenga Kakese Dibinga Director General The Bayindo Group SA POB 1782 Los Angeles, CA 90078-1782 c: 1.323.599.6228 em: s...@bayindogroup.comskype: saiddibinga http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin?
(standing ovation) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:04:25 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I never believed the worst in racism was over. I never believed we were post-racial, or anything close to it. As someone who's had some good opportunities in life, i've known personally that every advance can still be sullied by the hatred of those around you. The very nasty comments directed at Obama during the campaign--the way the xenophobia, Christian fundamentalism hatred, and unfair labeling of Michelle Obama as a militant abounded--is proof of that. The way Palin was able to lead a hatred-based attack on him, and even McCain didn't stop it unti it was too obvious to ignore, is proof of that. The fact that anyone with enough brain power to blink their eyes actually defended Limbaugh's Powell only voted for Obama because he's black and I hope he fails comments shows we haven't progressed that far. We believe America is past its racial problems at our peril. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 7:15:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? I hear you, Mr Worf. And I remember when, in the aftermath of President Obama's victory, so many of us said in accord that the worst was far from behind us in terms of racism. Still, terrifying to look at it in such scope and intensity. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:59:28 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What I think is going on is that this is a stage of grief. The stages are denial, anger, depression, and acceptance.We are at the anger stage. It takes some people longer to move through the rest of those stages. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: I was in a bad mood when I walked in the door. This did not help. Not for the first time in my life, I am NOT proud to be an American. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : bham_meet_n_gr...@yahoogroups.com, the_zetaheaven_gr...@yahoogroups.com Hate to post this, but I found this from a Princeton professor friend of mine. http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=101100539206amp;h=Wq46xamp;u=HJmBoamp;ref=nf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites
I never got around to catching it. What was it about? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.comwrote: Good vs Evil, a USA show from earlier this decade. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:02:15 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What is G vs E ? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, I mentioned that in my review of Warehouse 13 the other night, along with similarities to Level 9, G vs. E, The Chronicle, and others--and all of them are better than this show. I hope it gets better, but have doubts... but I must say, between SyFy and another channel --was it USA? TNT?--the debut was aired at least half a dozen times in the last week. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:28:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I was thinking like you. Friday the thirteen meets XFiles. Dead on *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:26 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I'm glad that someone made the same connection that I was seeing. Warehouse 13 is a LOT like Friday the 13th but a little more humorous. More like Friday the 13th meets Xfiles. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: By Sarah Hope Williams , 2:00 PM on Sun Jul 12 2009 Copy this whole post to another site Slurp cancel [image: sending request] Syfy is back, now with Ys, vying even harder for your attention. But the network's name isn't the only thing that has been re-purposed; its new staple shows seem oddly familiar. Why is Syfy so unapologetically recycling old television? Syfy is trying to impress us with its new look and new shows, like a small-town girl who moves to the big city to be an actress, bleaches her hair platinum blonde and changes her name. And while we remain skeptical of clichéd reinvention, we have to admit – it worked for Norma Jeane. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/07/504x_Warehouse13_cast-thumb-550x268-13745.jpg ] *Warehouse 13 * premiered this week on Syfy, and many viewers were filled with a strong sense of Déjà vu. A pair of odd-couple government agents are sent to investigate paranormal activity, blatantly setting the characters up as replicas of Mulder and Scully. Couldn't Syfy at least have mixed things up a bit by making Pete being the by-the-book skeptic and Myka being the intuitive true-believer? But it's not just the agents themselves that are borrowed directly from the archives: [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/friday-series.jpg]Thehttp://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/friday-series.jpg%5DThe name of show, and its very concept, evokes another direct influence: the quirky Canadian series *Friday the 13th * that aired in 1987, about a pair of cousins who inherit an antique shop that turns out to be filled with supernatural artifacts. They too are aided by an eccentric middle-aged man with a vast knowledge of the supernatural. In *Friday*, the female lead is named Micki, and *Warehouse's* tight-laced female agent is Myka – here again, Syfy strives to make things new and shiny by swapping ys for is. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/T1iT41eeWdY_02.jpg] [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/itHmmsweuro.jpg] This isn't a new approach by any means. When Syfy's old staple show, * Eureka*, first premiered in 2006, its premise was equally familiar; government official gets sent to a small town in the Pacific Northwest to investigate a strange occurrence, teams up with local law enforcement and becomes deeply embroiled in the wacky little town and all its colorful characters. Sheriff Carter is no Agent Cooper, but the sense of odd familiarity about the show was undeniable. *Eureka* appeared to be a candy-coated kid's coloring-book version of *Twin Peaks .* [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/C9kejvxRokg.jpg] The question remains, why isn't Syfy trying harder to hide its repackaging of television we already know and love? Do they hope that by transparently recycling these well-worn television tropes they can take a direct route to high ratings and fan admiration? Certainly the ever-increasing number of movie sequels indicates more of the same is a safe bet. Syfy already seems to be engaged in rebooting even more 80's
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer
Not a one. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:56:48 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Excellent promo! There are some very talented people out there. The effects were right on par with Hollywood. I think they were using Adobe After Effects. Has anyone watched the 1970s version of the Matrix or some of the star wars fan films? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Let's send Ryan Reynolds right back to DeadpoolLand... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From : Said Kakese Dibinga To : s...@bayindogroup.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTiRnqnvDs Said Yenga Kakese Dibinga Director General The Bayindo Group SA POB 1782 Los Angeles, CA 90078-1782 c: 1.323.599.6228 em: s...@bayindogroup.comskype: saiddibinga http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin?
Keith, that might be for the best. Were I in Presdient Obama's shoes right now, facing this, I'd have the Secret Service chasing some folks down. And Free Report's web site would be a fond memory. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:50:40 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Well, there goes your chance to run for the White House--again! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:46:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? I was in a bad mood when I walked in the door. This did not help. Not for the first time in my life, I am NOT proud to be an American. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : bham_meet_n_gr...@yahoogroups.com, the_zetaheaven_gr...@yahoogroups.com Hate to post this, but I found this from a Princeton professor friend of mine. http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=101100539206amp;h=Wq46xamp;u=HJmBoamp;ref=nf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites
It had Richard Brooks of Law amp; Order and Clayton Rohner playing two formerly dead men who are resurrected by the forces of Good to return demons to Hell. They have no powers and only magical gizmos to do so, while the demons are fully powered. Oh -- and they can't have any contact with people in their past lives. And no sex. 8-O -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:59:00 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I never got around to catching it. What was it about? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Good vs Evil, a USA show from earlier this decade. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:02:15 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What is G vs E ? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, I mentioned that in my review of Warehouse 13 the other night, along with similarities to Level 9, G vs. E, The Chronicle, and others--and all of them are better than this show. I hope it gets better, but have doubts... but I must say, between SyFy and another channel --was it USA? TNT?--the debut was aired at least half a dozen times in the last week. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:28:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I was thinking like you. Friday the thirteen meets XFiles. Dead on *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:26 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I'm glad that someone made the same connection that I was seeing. Warehouse 13 is a LOT like Friday the 13th but a little more humorous. More like Friday the 13th meets Xfiles. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: By Sarah Hope Williams , 2:00 PM on Sun Jul 12 2009 Copy this whole post to another site Slurp cancel [image: sending request] Syfy is back, now with Ys, vying even harder for your attention. But the network's name isn't the only thing that has been re-purposed; its new staple shows seem oddly familiar. Why is Syfy so unapologetically recycling old television? Syfy is trying to impress us with its new look and new shows, like a small-town girl who moves to the big city to be an actress, bleaches her hair platinum blonde and changes her name. And while we remain skeptical of clichéd reinvention, we have to admit – it worked for Norma Jeane. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/07/504x_Warehouse13_cast-thumb-550x268-13745.jpg ] *Warehouse 13 * premiered this week on Syfy, and many viewers were filled with a strong sense of Déjà vu. A pair of odd-couple government agents are sent to investigate paranormal activity, blatantly setting the characters up as replicas of Mulder and Scully. Couldn't Syfy at least have mixed things up a bit by making Pete being the by-the-book skeptic and Myka being the intuitive true-believer? But it's not just the agents themselves that are borrowed directly from the archives: [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/friday-series.jpg]The name of show, and its very concept, evokes another direct influence: the quirky Canadian series *Friday the 13th * that aired in 1987, about a pair of cousins who inherit an antique shop that turns out to be filled with supernatural artifacts. They too are aided by an eccentric middle-aged man with a vast knowledge of the supernatural. In *Friday*, the female lead is named Micki, and *Warehouse's* tight-laced female agent is Myka – here again, Syfy strives to make things new and shiny by swapping ys for is. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/T1iT41eeWdY_02.jpg] [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/itHmmsweuro.jpg] This isn't a new approach by any means. When Syfy's old staple show, * Eureka*, first premiered in 2006, its premise was equally familiar; government official gets sent to a small town in the Pacific Northwest to investigate a strange occurrence, teams up with local law enforcement and becomes deeply embroiled in the wacky little town and all its colorful characters. Sheriff Carter is no Agent Cooper, but the sense of odd familiarity about the show was undeniable. *Eureka* appeared to be a candy-coated kid's coloring-book version of *Twin Peaks .* [image:
[RE][scifinoir2] Science Fiction's Greatest Legal Minds - Revealed!
Well, if Judge Sotomayor doesn't pass her hearings, then I nominate either Livia Beale or the Hyper-Chicken. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Science Fiction's Greatest Legal Minds - Revealed! Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:27:24 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc : ggs...@yahoo.com Science Fiction's Greatest Legal Minds - Revealed! By Alasdair Wilkins , 10:00 AM on Sun Jul 12 2009, 6,462 views (Edit , to draft , un-top , Slurp ) Copy this whole post to another site Slurp cancel sending request http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/shehulk.jpgIf the countless works of science fiction can agree on one thing, it's that the future isn't perfect. And, on the rare occasion when disputes can't be solved with an epic starship battle, it's time to bring in the lawyers. I think there's an argument to be made that lawyers are underrepresented in science fiction, at least relative to their prevalence in other genres. Compared to, say, doctors, who show up all the time in pretty much every science fiction show (as an -science-fiction earlier post on this very site once examined), you generally need a pretty specific reason to bring a lawyer onto the scene, and a lot of the time even a trial won't do it. After all, how many times have science fiction protagonists found themselves in kangaroo courts, forced to offer their own best defense? There's apparently not much of a right to legal representation in the future. For instance, roughly half of all Doctor Who stories find the Doctor under arrest for one reason or another, and I can't name a single character in the entire history who could really be considered a lawyer (with the possible exception of the Valeyard, which I'm not counting for so many reasons). That's not to say there aren't any great lawyers in science fiction - far from it. Here are some of the best. http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/cogley.jpgSamuel T. Cogley, Star Trek In most of the trials seen over the course of the Star Trek franchise's long history, the defendants simply represented themselves. This probably had something to do with the fact that the characters were all in the military, but it's just as likely that this made it easier to give the show's stars big dramatic speeches. (Seriously, check out this list of the show's lawyers from Memory Alpha. It's basically just a list of the various shows' captains and first officers.) But, when Kirk found himself faced with a case even he could not theatrically bluster his way out of - and keep in mind we're talking about William Shatner at the height of his hammy powers here, so this is a seriously impossible case we're talking about - he turned to super-lawyer Samuel T. Cogley to lead his defense. Famous for his Luddite tendencies, which included such eccentricities as reading books on paper instead of on computer. Not one to do anything halfway, Cogley's spirited defense included references to the Bible, the Code of Hammurabi and of Justinian, the Magna Carta, the United States Constitution, the Fundamental Declarations of the Martian colonies and the Statutes of Alpha III, all of which I plan on citing as precedents should I ever find myself standing before a judge. Cogley's defense didn't exactly lead to an acquittal, but it did provide Kirk and Spock enough time to prove the man Kirk had supposedly murdered was, in fact, alive and well and tampering with the ship's systems. With his case concluded, Cogley decided to move on to defending Kirk's supposed victim, noting he felt very good about his chances. And let's also give a quick shout-out to Worf's grandfather, who was also called Worf, for his thankless job advocating for Kirk and McCoy at their Klingon show trial in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Although I must admit that that throwaway cameo originally left me with the mistaken impression that Lieutenant Worf was about 150 years old by the time of The Next Generation. http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/mark_sheppard_03.jpgRomo Lampkin, Battlestar Galactica amp; Joseph Adama, Caprica Easily the best of Battlestar Galactica's later season additions (with all due respect to noted neurosurgeon John Hodgman), Romo Lampkin combined the sort of lovable sleaziness central to any Mark Sheppard performance, mixed with a brilliant if fractured legal philosophy. Seemingly just a mercenary lawyer taking on the obviously indefensible defense of disgraced president Gaius Baltar, he proceeded to build a case equal parts audacious (such as changing Baltar's plea to guilty just to make a point) and ludicrous (such as calling Lee Adama, his own partner on the defense and the son of one of the judges, to the stand to testify - this is a perk of trying a case in front of ship's captains instead of actual legal experts, I guess). Oh, and he's also a kleptomaniac
[RE][scifinoir2] Torchwood Was Amazing, But What Happens Next?
Tracey, I'm waiting for this with baited breath as well. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Torchwood Was Amazing, But What Happens Next? Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:23:54 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I saw the 20 minute intro or teaser on-demand. It looks great! Wish we did not have to wait another week. Tracey Torchwood 's five-day miniseries, Children Of Earth, is a new classic. By any measure, the five-day event format was a triumph. But does that mean Torchwood should have more event miniseries? Probably not. Relatively vague spoilers ahead. Children Of Earth was a huge experiment, format-wise: instead of doing a regular series of 13 episodes, the show served up one single story, told over five nights. And even before this experiment aired, Russell T. Davies was saying that if it was successful, we might see more Torchwood miniseries like it. We might even have two or three one-week event miniseries in 2010, presumably a few months apart. But the more I think about it, the more I think the amazing success of COE was a one-off, and trying to copy it would be a terrible mistake. Torchwood's biggest challenge, as a grown-up spin-off of the time-traveling chidren's adventure Doctor Who , has always been its relatively small scope. Whenever alien monsters want to come and destroy the Earth altogether, the Doctor is there to stop them. Torchwood's job, generally, has been to keep minor-league space-vermin from harrassing the citizens of Cardiff, and to deal with Captain Jack's evil brother and psychotic ex-boyfriend. Children Of Earth finally bulldozed right past this problem - the alien menace was definitely a Doctor-level threat to the Earth, and then some. And yet the Doctor didn't show up - although probably not, as Gwen suggests, because he was disgusted with the human race. It's more likely that Harriet Jones was right once again, and the Doctor just can't always be there when aliens menace civilization. A big part of Children Of Earth's amazing success simply comes from sharp writing - with a few very notable exceptions, almost every scene in the five episodes was written with a shrewdness and intensity that very few science fiction programs have ever achieved for one episode, let alone five. It was like Battlestar Galactica without the new-age mysticism, or Joss Whedon at his absolute darkest. But another huge part of CoE comes from the fact that the stakes were so very high, and series creator Russell T. Davies seemed willing to break all of his toys in one go. Without giving away too much for those who haven't seen this series yet, Torchwood really does get put through hell. As all of the promo blurbs have made clear, Torchwood gets basically destroyed and has to rebuild from the ground up - but it's shocking how far RTD is willing to go in that direction. Let's put it this way - before Lost's season finale aired, a number of actors (especially Michael Emerson) went around saying that you'll be so shocked by what happens, you won't even be able to imagine how Lost can exist as a series next year. And after watching the finale, I found that statement to be pretty untrue - I can imagine dozens of ways Lost can continue next year, and it's pretty clear that Jack, Sawyer and Kate will be running around, even if Juliet isn't. It wasn't really that shocking, given that we'd been told for two or three weeks that they were going to set off a hydrogen bomb. And then they did. By contrast, Torchwood really was shocking. If Michael Emerson had come up to me and said, After you're done watching Torchwood season three, you won't even be able to imagine how Torchwood can continue to exist as a television show, he would have been telling the plain unvarnished truth. (But of course, he would have had some nefarious concealed agenda behind telling the truth, because that's just how he is.) And it's not just that shocking things happen in Children Of Earth - it's also just the fact that we see the characters and the world they operate in a much different light afterwards. Captain Jack, in particular, shakes off the creeping blandness that had been overtaking him through the first two seasons of Torchwood and becomes every bit the complex, tormented, amoral, inspiring figure we always knew he could be. So I'm dying to see how Torchwood does continue - but I don't think the show is going to be capable of doing anything like this again soon. I think if you try to follow up Children Of Earth with another mega-event where nothing is the same again, you'll end up with cheese. You'll probably end up with Heroes season two. Or BSG season three. Plus, I doubt that Russell T. Davies can keep his silly, cheesy, schlocky tendencies so firmly in check for another five-episode miniseries. And if it's true that we might get two or three five-part miniseries next year, they'll definitely start
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer
This is my favorite SW fan film. It is called Duality (2001!): http://www.spike.com/video/duality/1011883 This one is a longer movie, but the effects are not as good. Emergence of the Sith: http://www.spike.com/video/emergence-of-sith/2406946 That 70s Matrix: http://www.spike.com/video/that-70s-matrix/2422980 Not safe for work On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.comwrote: Not a one. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:56:48 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Excellent promo! There are some very talented people out there. The effects were right on par with Hollywood. I think they were using Adobe After Effects. Has anyone watched the 1970s version of the Matrix or some of the star wars fan films? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Let's send Ryan Reynolds right back to DeadpoolLand... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From : Said Kakese Dibinga To : s...@bayindogroup.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTiRnqnvDs Said Yenga Kakese Dibinga Director General The Bayindo Group SA POB 1782 Los Angeles, CA 90078-1782 c: 1.323.599.6228 em: s...@bayindogroup.comskype: saiddibinga http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[RE][scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites
You have our attention, Syfy -- now can you show us something new? No. That would require a modicum of talent on the payroll. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:19:55 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com By Sarah Hope Williams, 2:00 PM on Sun Jul 12 2009 Copy this whole post to another site Slurp cancel sending request Syfy is back, now with Ys, vying even harder for your attention. But the network's name isn't the only thing that has been re-purposed; its new staple shows seem oddly familiar. Why is Syfy so unapologetically recycling old television? Syfy is trying to impress us with its new look and new shows, like a small-town girl who moves to the big city to be an actress, bleaches her hair platinum blonde and changes her name. And while we remain skeptical of clichéd reinvention, we have to admit it worked for Norma Jeane. http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/07/504x_Warehouse13_cast-thumb- 550x268-13745.jpgWarehouse 13 premiered this week on Syfy, and many viewers were filled with a strong sense of Déjà vu. A pair of odd-couple government agents are sent to investigate paranormal activity, blatantly setting the characters up as replicas of Mulder and Scully. Couldn't Syfy at least have mixed things up a bit by making Pete being the by-the-book skeptic and Myka being the intuitive true-believer? But it's not just the agents themselves that are borrowed directly from the archives: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/friday-series.jpgThe name of show, and its very concept, evokes another direct influence: the quirky Canadian series Friday the 13th that aired in 1987, about a pair of cousins who inherit an antique shop that turns out to be filled with supernatural artifacts. They too are aided by an eccentric middle-aged man with a vast knowledge of the supernatural. In Friday, the female lead is named Micki, and Warehouse's tight-laced female agent is Myka here again, Syfy strives to make things new and shiny by swapping ys for is. http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/T1iT41eeWdY_02.jpg http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/itHmmsweuro.jpg This isn't a new approach by any means. When Syfy's old staple show, Eureka, first premiered in 2006, its premise was equally familiar; government official gets sent to a small town in the Pacific Northwest to investigate a strange occurrence, teams up with local law enforcement and becomes deeply embroiled in the wacky little town and all its colorful characters. Sheriff Carter is no Agent Cooper, but the sense of odd familiarity about the show was undeniable. Eureka appeared to be a candy-coated kid's coloring-book version of Twin Peaks . http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/C9kejvxRokg.jpg The question remains, why isn't Syfy trying harder to hide its repackaging of television we already know and love? Do they hope that by transparently recycling these well-worn television tropes they can take a direct route to high ratings and fan admiration? Certainly the ever-increasing number of movie sequels indicates more of the same is a safe bet. Syfy already seems to be engaged in rebooting even more 80's television, including Quantum Leap and Alien Nation. It is remarkable how much attention all these new shows have gotten on blogs, message boards and by word of mouth. Perhaps the network executives at Syfy know the game better than we imagine, and are inviting us to play along as we watch them pressing our buttons. But don't they also know that familiarity breeds contempt? You have our attention, Syfy now can you show us something new? http://io9.com/5312950/syfys-new-flagships-recycle-old-favorites http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin?
What a wise, wonderful man you are, Reece. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:32:25 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Just remember those time-honored words...F**K them... They're entitled to their opinions, but we don't have to react to them. Don't let them ruin your day. _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:47 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? I was in a bad mood when I walked in the door. This did not help. Not for the first time in my life, I am NOT proud to be an American. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : bham_meet_n_gr...@yahoogroups.com, the_zetaheaven_gr...@yahoogroups.com Hate to post this, but I found this from a Princeton professor friend of mine. http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=101100539206amp;h=Wq46xamp;u=HJmBoamp;ref=n f http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] One of life's great impondrables
Criminals stuppid. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] One of life's great impondrables Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:14:28 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I guess the next logical question would be, if the bullets didn't hurt him. Why do they think throwing the gun at him would? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: Let us remember -- this is *H'Wood* of which we speak. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] One of life's great impondrables Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:52:30 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Hah! Good question! I guess no one did a logic check on some of this stuff. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: (shrugs) Not willing to take the chance that the gun might be made of kryptonite? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] One of life's great impondrables Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:37:22 - From : ravenadal To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Why did Superman always duck a thrown pistol after its contents had just bounced off his chest? ~rave? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer
THanks for the send, Mr Worf! I'll take these all in in a bit, once I'm done with the e-mail run. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:33:33 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com This is my favorite SW fan film. It is called Duality (2001!): http://www.spike.com/video/duality/1011883 This one is a longer movie, but the effects are not as good. Emergence of the Sith: http://www.spike.com/video/emergence-of-sith/2406946 That 70s Matrix: http://www.spike.com/video/that-70s-matrix/2422980 Not safe for work On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Not a one. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:56:48 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Excellent promo! There are some very talented people out there. The effects were right on par with Hollywood. I think they were using Adobe After Effects. Has anyone watched the 1970s version of the Matrix or some of the star wars fan films? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Let's send Ryan Reynolds right back to DeadpoolLand... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Green Lantern fan made trailer Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From : Said Kakese Dibinga To : s...@bayindogroup.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTiRnqnvDs Said Yenga Kakese Dibinga Director General The Bayindo Group SA POB 1782 Los Angeles, CA 90078-1782 c: 1.323.599.6228 em: s...@bayindogroup.comskype: saiddibinga http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Eureka
I noticed that they had a few new names in the production company in the credits, Fate, so I can't really judge how this will affect the quality of the programs. But I am hopeful. And they *had* to toss in the human bits. Otherwise, I would've been seven feet tall and only had six fingers. ;-) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Eureka Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:39:10 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com U stoopid! 46.21% huh? kool beans. it was a good ep wasn't it? they actually have good writing in this. how long b4 that change? Fate. --- On Sun, 7/12/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Eureka To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 7:34 PM I did. Surprised that you didn't hear me crowing in delight. (My latent desire to see humanity ground underfoot coming to the fore.) Loved the ep as well. Martin (only 46.21% human, for purposes of blending in) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Eureka Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:31:20 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : Sci Fi Did anyone catch the season premier of Eureka friday night? mostly talking about the end when joe morton is speaking 2 salli where he says something out there is coming here. straight 2 Eureka. cannot wait 2 see what is coming 2 Eureka! Fate. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Ryan Reynolds casts as Green Lanthern
I feel the same. Plus DC and Warner can all but kiss a possible GL francize goodbye due to this movie all but deepening it's already fragmented fanbase (as many John fans have al but bolted the comic and DC in general for Marvel due to their treatment of him). -GTW In a message dated 7/11/09 9:02:48 AM, brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com writes: Reyonds is the Hollywood beefcake flavor of the month.His casting is a sign that character development be damned.This has Daredevil written all over it. --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Ryan Reynolds casts as Green Lanthern To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 6:52 AM yes you will probably be alone in that one. the reason I like Steward is because his character is more human than hal jordan or kyle. Stewart is a more complex person with flaws that makes him likeable. i never like the original origin of hal becoming GL. ring searches out the man without fear. truth be, they did make hal better later, but i just like Jon Stewart (also because both of us serve in the Marine Corps...but that's just me). Fate. --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Omari Confer clockworkman@ gmail.com wrote: From: Omari Confer clockworkman@ gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Ryan Reynolds casts as Green Lanthern To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 6:34 AM I missed Martin's point of view but I am not sure about how I would feel about a Jon Stewart GL in the movie. I know I will be alone on this but I find it more insulting to put in the 3rd favorite Lantern in the first live action GL movie just for Affirmative Action sake. Reynolds is a great choice ** Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi0006)
[scifinoir2] Re: topic: the last man on earth
He represented the last links to the old world and he was their boogeyman. The new living vampires retained their intellect unlike the corpses reanimated by the disease. He had unknowingly been killing both kinds of vampires. So he ends up being captured and killed by the new vampires for his crimes. Of the three film versions the Vincent Price version was closest to the original story. The ending is slightly different in the book. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: They weren't even close to any kind of vampire. More like intelligent slow moving zombies. They couldn't break into his house because he put up some mirrors and a few 2x4s on the windows. There was a hybrid type that was a group of scientists and other folks that came up with a vaccine that cured them temporarily. They were killing off the other vampire folks. I didn't understand why they wanted to kill Vincent Price though. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM, wlro...@... wrote: *Are we talking about sexy vampires or just your regular want to suck your blood ones?* *--Lavender* *From:* Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:14 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth I'm watching the original movie starring Vincent Price on my local PBS station. I think that if they had made the Will Smith movie with vampires instead of zombies it would have been more interesting. What do you think? *People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.* ** -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin?
Thanks, Martin. If I can say that wisdom comes from mistakes and hindsight, then I'll accept your compliment gracefully. I used to do just that...let them get to me...then one day someone much wiser than I pointed out that spending time trying to change what someone thinks or feels about me was a fool's errand, and a waste of good energy...which is what we all are anyway...energy... Ever since then, when I've had the VERY male human reaction to want to cut off the balls of people who judge me (us) from their limited perspective, I take a breath and curtail the thoughts... :o) _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:40 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? What a wise, wonderful man you are, Reece. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:32:25 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Just remember those time-honored words...F**K them... They're entitled to their opinions, but we don't have to react to them. Don't let them ruin your day. _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:47 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? I was in a bad mood when I walked in the door. This did not help. Not for the first time in my life, I am NOT proud to be an American. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : bham_meet_n_gr...@yahoogroups.com, the_zetaheaven_gr...@yahoogroups.com Hate to post this, but I found this from a Princeton professor friend of mine. http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=101100539206h=Wq46xu=HJmBoref=n f http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Was Meteor Man camp or Black Hollywood's best black superhero film ever?
Noir, We can argue till the cows come home on how bad this film was.But what were your thoughts prior to seeing this film? Were your hopes high or you took it at face value and moved on?
Re: [scifinoir2] Was Meteor Man camp or Black Hollywood's best black superhero film ever?
i bow out of this one. it has been more than a decade since i saw it. cannot really remember anything about it except 4 robert townsend (i think). Fate. --- On Mon, 7/13/09, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com wrote: From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Was Meteor Man camp or Black Hollywood's best black superhero film ever? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 11:02 AM Noir, We can argue till the cows come home on how bad this film was.But what were your thoughts prior to seeing this film? Were your hopes high or you took it at face value and moved on?
RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin?
but Reece, take it from me. cutting off a ball or two fromthe crazies, it is such good therapy! :-) Fate. --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 10:47 AM Thanks, Martin. If I can say that wisdom comes from mistakes and hindsight, then I'll accept your compliment gracefully. I used to do just that...let them get to me...then one day someone much wiser than I pointed out that spending time trying to change what someone thinks or feels about me was a fool's errand, and a waste of good energy...which is what we all are anyway...energy. .. Ever since then, when I've had the VERY male human reaction to want to cut off the balls of people who judge me (us) from their limited perspective, I take a breath and curtail the thoughts... :o) From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:40 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? What a wise, wonderful man you are, Reece. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:32:25 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ yahoo.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Just remember those time-honored words...F**K them... They're entitled to their opinions, but we don't have to react to them. Don't let them ruin your day. _ From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:47 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? I was in a bad mood when I walked in the door. This did not help. Not for the first time in my life, I am NOT proud to be an American. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : Bham_Meet_N_ gr...@yahoogroup s.com, The_Zetaheaven_ gr...@yahoogroup s.com Hate to post this, but I found this from a Princeton professor friend of mine. http://www.facebook .com/ext/ share.php? sid=101100539206h=Wq46xu=HJmBoref=n f http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
[RE][scifinoir2] Bill Cosby Does it Again... Profound!
No way to put it better.
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To : Sci Fi scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Enough said. Period.
Fate.
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I think this is very True...
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Subject: Bill Cosby Does it Again... Profound!
This man deserves a Nobel Prize
'They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English.
I can't even talk the way these people talk:
Why you ain't,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be...
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You
can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.
People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now
we've got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.
$500 sneakers for what?
And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.
I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an
orange suit.
Where were you when he was 2?
Where were you when he was 12?
Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a
pistol?
And where is the father? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward:
Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a
sign of something?
Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all
type of needles [piercing] going through her body?
What part of Africa did this come from??
We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing
about Africa .
I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are
European-American. That is totally stupid.
I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my
great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white
Americans have to Germany , Scotland, England, Ireland, or the Netherlands .
The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa
. So stop, already! ! !
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap .
and all of them are in jail.
Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's
problem.
We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight
different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We,
as black folks have to do a better job.
Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard..
We
[RE][scifinoir2] Was Meteor Man camp or Black Hollywood's best black superhero film ever?
Honestly, I didn't think much of it before or after viewing it. I've seen it twice, and that suited me fine. It was a good movie, but just not for me. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Was Meteor Man camp or Black Hollywood's best black superhero film ever? Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:02:07 -0700 (PDT) From : George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Noir, We can argue till the cows come home on how bad this film was.But what were your thoughts prior to seeing this film? Were your hopes high or you took it at face value and moved on? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Question 4 Martin
Martin, o.k. u did not see Star Trek nor Transformers. are you going 2 se HP? Fate.
[RE][scifinoir2] Question 4 Martin
Fate, Probably so. I read Deathly Hallows as part of a reading project in one of my online forums (even though the last Potter book I read was the first), and I want to see how faithful they are to the book. Hate the fact that it's an H'Wood double-dip waiting to happen, as they've split it into two movies. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Question 4 Martin Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:28:09 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com To : Sci Fi scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Martin, o.k. u did not see Star Trek nor Transformers. are you going 2 se HP? Fate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Question 4 Martin
actually, i was kind of mad that they did not do all of them like that. there was so much that was cut in all of the other movies that i wished they had at least did them like peter jackson did when he released the LOTR on dvd. put in all of the other stuff that was cut out. this one should be pretty good. the last one 'order of the phoenix' has been my best so far. love the actual fighting. --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Question 4 Martin To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 2:31 PM Fate, Probably so. I read Deathly Hallows as part of a reading project in one of my online forums (even though the last Potter book I read was the first), and I want to see how faithful they are to the book. Hate the fact that it's an H'Wood double-dip waiting to happen, as they've split it into two movies. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Question 4 Martin Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:28:09 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com To : Sci Fi scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Martin, o.k. u did not see Star Trek nor Transformers. are you going 2 se HP? Fate. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: topic: the last man on earth
Ok that makes much more sense. They could have used his blood to create a vaccine but that seemed to be the not a goal. What was the ending in the book? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:25 AM, B. Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: He represented the last links to the old world and he was their boogeyman. The new living vampires retained their intellect unlike the corpses reanimated by the disease. He had unknowingly been killing both kinds of vampires. So he ends up being captured and killed by the new vampires for his crimes. Of the three film versions the Vincent Price version was closest to the original story. The ending is slightly different in the book. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: They weren't even close to any kind of vampire. More like intelligent slow moving zombies. They couldn't break into his house because he put up some mirrors and a few 2x4s on the windows. There was a hybrid type that was a group of scientists and other folks that came up with a vaccine that cured them temporarily. They were killing off the other vampire folks. I didn't understand why they wanted to kill Vincent Price though. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM, wlro...@... wrote: *Are we talking about sexy vampires or just your regular want to suck your blood ones?* *--Lavender* *From:* Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:14 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth I'm watching the original movie starring Vincent Price on my local PBS station. I think that if they had made the Will Smith movie with vampires instead of zombies it would have been more interesting. What do you think? *People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.* ** -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites
Hmm ok. Sounds a bit like Reaper. (which I think could have been a movie) How long was G vs E on? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.comwrote: It had Richard Brooks of Law amp; Order and Clayton Rohner playing two formerly dead men who are resurrected by the forces of Good to return demons to Hell. They have no powers and only magical gizmos to do so, while the demons are fully powered. Oh -- and they can't have any contact with people in their past lives. And no sex. 8-O -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:59:00 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I never got around to catching it. What was it about? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Good vs Evil, a USA show from earlier this decade. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:02:15 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What is G vs E ? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, I mentioned that in my review of Warehouse 13 the other night, along with similarities to Level 9, G vs. E, The Chronicle, and others--and all of them are better than this show. I hope it gets better, but have doubts... but I must say, between SyFy and another channel --was it USA? TNT?--the debut was aired at least half a dozen times in the last week. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:28:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I was thinking like you. Friday the thirteen meets XFiles. Dead on *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:26 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I'm glad that someone made the same connection that I was seeing. Warehouse 13 is a LOT like Friday the 13th but a little more humorous. More like Friday the 13th meets Xfiles. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: By Sarah Hope Williams , 2:00 PM on Sun Jul 12 2009 Copy this whole post to another site Slurp cancel [image: sending request] Syfy is back, now with Ys, vying even harder for your attention. But the network's name isn't the only thing that has been re-purposed; its new staple shows seem oddly familiar. Why is Syfy so unapologetically recycling old television? Syfy is trying to impress us with its new look and new shows, like a small-town girl who moves to the big city to be an actress, bleaches her hair platinum blonde and changes her name. And while we remain skeptical of clichéd reinvention, we have to admit – it worked for Norma Jeane. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/07/504x_Warehouse13_cast-thumb-550x268-13745.jpg ] *Warehouse 13 * premiered this week on Syfy, and many viewers were filled with a strong sense of Déjà vu. A pair of odd-couple government agents are sent to investigate paranormal activity, blatantly setting the characters up as replicas of Mulder and Scully. Couldn't Syfy at least have mixed things up a bit by making Pete being the by-the-book skeptic and Myka being the intuitive true-believer? But it's not just the agents themselves that are borrowed directly from the archives: [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/friday-series.jpg]Thehttp://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/friday-series.jpg%5DThe name of show, and its very concept, evokes another direct influence: the quirky Canadian series *Friday the 13th * that aired in 1987, about a pair of cousins who inherit an antique shop that turns out to be filled with supernatural artifacts. They too are aided by an eccentric middle-aged man with a vast knowledge of the supernatural. In *Friday*, the female lead is named Micki, and *Warehouse's* tight-laced female agent is Myka – here again, Syfy strives to make things new and shiny by swapping ys for is. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/T1iT41eeWdY_02.jpg] [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/itHmmsweuro.jpg] This isn't a new approach by any means. When Syfy's old staple show, * Eureka*, first premiered in 2006, its premise was equally familiar; government official gets sent to a small town in the Pacific Northwest to investigate a
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Moon puts fiction back in science fiction
I recall that as well, Mr Worf. And the way R2 moved was VERY similar to the way that Huey, Dewey and Louie moved in Silent Running... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Moon puts fiction back in science fiction Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:22:21 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Speaking of Silent Running, I remember reading someone that Lucas stole the idea for R2D2 from that movie. Does anyone here remember hearing about something like that? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Keith Johnson wrote: I listen to a weekly podcast called Filmspotting where two well-informed guys talk about movies. It's a very enjoyable show. They tend to steer a bit away from the obvious mass-marketing stuff --they see the likes of Star Trek and Transformers, but tend to discuss films more based on those they feel are more focused on good writing, acting, saying something, original films that aren't rehashes, films that take chances. I wouldn't call them stuffy by any means, and I learn a great deal from them. In a world where most critics and viewers only go to the Rotten Tomatoes method, it's nice to still hear people really analyze film on levels other than the CGI, action, and Meagan Fox's attributes. They reviewed Moon and both really liked it. They said the writer and director both stated it's impossible to make a good scifi flick that doesn't borrow from or pay homage to films that have come before. So they went in with that mindset, and pay homage to other great scifi films, learning from them, but, according to the Filmspotting guys, not just ripping them off. It reminds one of Solaris, and 2001, and a couple of others, including Silent Running, but doesn't come off as a copy of any of those, according to these guys. .Their take is that it's a good, thought-provoking movie that uses Rockwell and Spacey well, and both lamented that it'll get lost amidst the summer CGI and action fluff. You can check it out at their site, as Moon is currently featured: http://www.filmspotting.net/ Based on that, I plan to check it out... - Original Message - From: George Arterberry To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:06:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Moon puts fiction back in science fiction Soalris is written all over this. I may see it but not in a rush to do so. --- On *Sat, 7/11/09, Milton Davis * wrote: From: Milton Davis Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Moon puts fiction back in science fiction To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:41 PM I heard it was good. I'll have to check it out. --- On *Sat, 7/11/09, Amy Harlib * wrote: From: Amy Harlib Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Moon puts fiction back in science fiction To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 12:25 AM ahar...@earthlink. net I saw Moon and loved it! It's that rare thing - an SF film that actually has an intelligent plot and good characterization as well as excellent visuals. It's still playing in a couple of art houses here in NYC. Cheers! Amy Not to stir you up again, Martin, but that's the slight thing that worries me about the new Star Trek. More focus on the gadgetry and FX than the original, and I wince when I hear people say (as the Onion spoofed) that it was fun!. As if that's all there is to Trek to be meaningful, and all they want going forward. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 4:02:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Moon puts fiction back in science fiction rave, this draws me to the movie more than its initial premise. Also reminds me of an argument I had with my Last Ex, her decrying science fiction for being little more than flashy lasers and zoomy spaceships. If I were still on speaking terms with her, I'd forward her this. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *[scifinoir2] Moon puts fiction back in science fiction *Date : *Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:53:12 - *From : *ravenadal *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=lhIB0mqbPiE http://www.jsonline .com/entertainme nt/movies/ 50384927. html Lonely man in the 'Moon' By Duane Dudek of the Journal Sentinel Posted: July 9, 2009 Moon is one small step for mankind. It puts the fiction back into science fiction, not because it's unbelievable but because it's a life-size and plausible portrait of our daily gravity. Too many genre films are virtual, superheroic variations on arbitrary themes and are slaves to the digital technologies that allow them to portray anything. The less-is-more aesthetic of Moon, by comparison, is a reminder that true creativity is a function of ideas and imagination. In much the same way we take for granted the
[scifinoir2] Is Microsoft on crack?
They made a mini-movie for Office 2010. http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20959tag=nl.e589
[RE][scifinoir2] Is Microsoft on crack?
Crack? Of COURSE not! They can afford far better drugs. Martin (removed all Microsoft-in-the-head ware from his computer the day he bought it, save for Outlook and IE -- them buggers just don't wanna die) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Is Microsoft on crack? Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:24:10 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com They made a mini-movie for Office 2010. http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20959amp;tag=nl.e589 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites
It ran from 1999-2000, 22 eps all toted. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:56:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Hmm ok. Sounds a bit like Reaper. (which I think could have been a movie) How long was G vs E on? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: It had Richard Brooks of Law amp; Order and Clayton Rohner playing two formerly dead men who are resurrected by the forces of Good to return demons to Hell. They have no powers and only magical gizmos to do so, while the demons are fully powered. Oh -- and they can't have any contact with people in their past lives. And no sex. 8-O -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:59:00 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I never got around to catching it. What was it about? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Good vs Evil, a USA show from earlier this decade. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:02:15 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What is G vs E ? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, I mentioned that in my review of Warehouse 13 the other night, along with similarities to Level 9, G vs. E, The Chronicle, and others--and all of them are better than this show. I hope it gets better, but have doubts... but I must say, between SyFy and another channel --was it USA? TNT?--the debut was aired at least half a dozen times in the last week. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:28:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I was thinking like you. Friday the thirteen meets XFiles. Dead on *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:26 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I'm glad that someone made the same connection that I was seeing. Warehouse 13 is a LOT like Friday the 13th but a little more humorous. More like Friday the 13th meets Xfiles. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: By Sarah Hope Williams , 2:00 PM on Sun Jul 12 2009 Copy this whole post to another site Slurp cancel [image: sending request] Syfy is back, now with Ys, vying even harder for your attention. But the network's name isn't the only thing that has been re-purposed; its new staple shows seem oddly familiar. Why is Syfy so unapologetically recycling old television? Syfy is trying to impress us with its new look and new shows, like a small-town girl who moves to the big city to be an actress, bleaches her hair platinum blonde and changes her name. And while we remain skeptical of clichéd reinvention, we have to admit – it worked for Norma Jeane. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/07/504x_Warehouse13_cast-thumb-550x268-13745.jpg ] *Warehouse 13 * premiered this week on Syfy, and many viewers were filled with a strong sense of Déjà vu. A pair of odd-couple government agents are sent to investigate paranormal activity, blatantly setting the characters up as replicas of Mulder and Scully. Couldn't Syfy at least have mixed things up a bit by making Pete being the by-the-book skeptic and Myka being the intuitive true-believer? But it's not just the agents themselves that are borrowed directly from the archives: [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/friday-series.jpg]The name of show, and its very concept, evokes another direct influence: the quirky Canadian series *Friday the 13th * that aired in 1987, about a pair of cousins who inherit an antique shop that turns out to be filled with supernatural artifacts. They too are aided by an eccentric middle-aged man with a vast knowledge of the supernatural. In *Friday*, the female lead is named Micki, and *Warehouse's* tight-laced female agent is Myka – here again, Syfy strives to make things new and shiny by swapping ys for is. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/T1iT41eeWdY_02.jpg] [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/itHmmsweuro.jpg] This isn't a new approach by any means. When Syfy's old staple show, * Eureka*,
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Question 4 Martin
Goblet of Fire was my favorite, for the darker turn it took. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Question 4 Martin Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:02:32 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com actually, i was kind of mad that they did not do all of them like that. there was so much that was cut in all of the other movies that i wished they had at least did them like peter jackson did when he released the LOTR on dvd. put in all of the other stuff that was cut out. this one should be pretty good. the last one 'order of the phoenix' has been my best so far. love the actual fighting. --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Question 4 Martin To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 2:31 PM Fate, Probably so. I read Deathly Hallows as part of a reading project in one of my online forums (even though the last Potter book I read was the first), and I want to see how faithful they are to the book. Hate the fact that it's an H'Wood double-dip waiting to happen, as they've split it into two movies. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Question 4 Martin Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:28:09 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : Sci Fi Martin, o.k. u did not see Star Trek nor Transformers. are you going 2 se HP? Fate. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites
I'll check it out on netflix. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.comwrote: It ran from 1999-2000, 22 eps all toted. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:56:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Hmm ok. Sounds a bit like Reaper. (which I think could have been a movie) How long was G vs E on? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: It had Richard Brooks of Law amp; Order and Clayton Rohner playing two formerly dead men who are resurrected by the forces of Good to return demons to Hell. They have no powers and only magical gizmos to do so, while the demons are fully powered. Oh -- and they can't have any contact with people in their past lives. And no sex. 8-O -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:59:00 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I never got around to catching it. What was it about? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Good vs Evil, a USA show from earlier this decade. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:02:15 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What is G vs E ? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, I mentioned that in my review of Warehouse 13 the other night, along with similarities to Level 9, G vs. E, The Chronicle, and others--and all of them are better than this show. I hope it gets better, but have doubts... but I must say, between SyFy and another channel --was it USA? TNT?--the debut was aired at least half a dozen times in the last week. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:28:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I was thinking like you. Friday the thirteen meets XFiles. Dead on *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:26 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I'm glad that someone made the same connection that I was seeing. Warehouse 13 is a LOT like Friday the 13th but a little more humorous. More like Friday the 13th meets Xfiles. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: By Sarah Hope Williams , 2:00 PM on Sun Jul 12 2009 Copy this whole post to another site Slurp cancel [image: sending request] Syfy is back, now with Ys, vying even harder for your attention. But the network's name isn't the only thing that has been re-purposed; its new staple shows seem oddly familiar. Why is Syfy so unapologetically recycling old television? Syfy is trying to impress us with its new look and new shows, like a small-town girl who moves to the big city to be an actress, bleaches her hair platinum blonde and changes her name. And while we remain skeptical of clichéd reinvention, we have to admit – it worked for Norma Jeane. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/07/504x_Warehouse13_cast-thumb-550x268-13745.jpg ] *Warehouse 13 * premiered this week on Syfy, and many viewers were filled with a strong sense of Déjà vu. A pair of odd-couple government agents are sent to investigate paranormal activity, blatantly setting the characters up as replicas of Mulder and Scully. Couldn't Syfy at least have mixed things up a bit by making Pete being the by-the-book skeptic and Myka being the intuitive true-believer? But it's not just the agents themselves that are borrowed directly from the archives: [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/friday-series.jpg]Thehttp://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/friday-series.jpg%5DThe name of show, and its very concept, evokes another direct influence: the quirky Canadian series *Friday the 13th * that aired in 1987, about a pair of cousins who inherit an antique shop that turns out to be filled with supernatural artifacts. They too are aided by an eccentric middle-aged man with a vast knowledge of the supernatural. In *Friday*, the female lead is named Micki, and *Warehouse's* tight-laced female
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Microsoft on crack?
Ok, designer drugs. :) On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.comwrote: Crack? Of COURSE not! They can afford far better drugs. Martin (removed all Microsoft-in-the-head ware from his computer the day he bought it, save for Outlook and IE -- them buggers just don't wanna die) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Is Microsoft on crack? Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:24:10 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com They made a mini-movie for Office 2010. http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20959amp;tag=nl.e589 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Maybe that's why it jumped into my head when I was writing!!! _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Augustus Augustus Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:32 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? but Reece, take it from me. cutting off a ball or two fromthe crazies, it is such good therapy! :-) Fate. --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 10:47 AM Thanks, Martin. If I can say that wisdom comes from mistakes and hindsight, then I'll accept your compliment gracefully. I used to do just that...let them get to me...then one day someone much wiser than I pointed out that spending time trying to change what someone thinks or feels about me was a fool's errand, and a waste of good energy...which is what we all are anyway...energy. .. Ever since then, when I've had the VERY male human reaction to want to cut off the balls of people who judge me (us) from their limited perspective, I take a breath and curtail the thoughts... :o) _ From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:40 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? What a wise, wonderful man you are, Reece. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:32:25 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ yahoo.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Just remember those time-honored words...F**K them... They're entitled to their opinions, but we don't have to react to them. Don't let them ruin your day. _ From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:47 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? I was in a bad mood when I walked in the door. This did not help. Not for the first time in my life, I am NOT proud to be an American. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : Bham_Meet_N_ gr...@yahoogroup s.com, The_Zetaheaven_ gr...@yahoogroup s.com Hate to post this, but I found this from a Princeton professor friend of mine. http://www.facebook .com/ext/ share.php? sid=101100539206h=Wq46xu=HJmBoref=n f http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Bill Cosby Does it Again... Profound!
I think I prefer Mr. Dyson's analysis:http://www.michaelericdyson.com/cosby/points.htmlhttp://www.michaelericdyson.com/cosby/Bosco--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com wrote:From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.comSubject: [scifinoir2] Bill Cosby Does it Again... Profound! [1 Attachment]To: "Sci Fi" scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comDate: Monday, July 13, 2009, 10:25 AM Enough said. Period. Fate.--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Bobby Galloway gallowaybobby@ yahoo.com wrote: From: Bobby Galloway gallowaybobby@ yahoo.comSubject: [Bham_Meet_N_ Greet] FW: Bill Cosby Does it Again... Profound!To: "BLACK PLANET" ncblackplanetmeetng r...@yahoogroups .com, SouthwestRegionalMe etNGreet@ yahoogroups. com, AtlantaMeetNGreets@ yahoogroups. com, CharlotteandBeYond@ yahoogroups. com, Bham_Meet_N_ gr...@yahoogroup s.com, "Alicia White" aliciad.whit@ pm.sprint. com, "ANITA FOSTER" arfoste...@hotmail. com, "awilson51382@ nc.rr.com" monifaluvsu@ yahoo.com, "BRENDAS DAUGHTER" 12dais...@excite. com, "CARMAN WRIGHT" cwright...@msn. com, "CHERYL RIDDICK" che_...@netzero. COM, "Connie Brandt" 7733922...@mms. uscc.net, "dea cutler" lye...@yahoo. com, "Debra Shipman" godsp...@bellsouth. net, "Debra Shipman" williamsdebmer@ yahoo.com, "DENISE BROWER" denisebrower@ comcast.net, "Dolly Waiters" dollywaiters@ yahoo.com, "faye" jonz4...@yahoo. com, "Geneva Galloway" gvaut...@tcchc. com, jahnasia829@ yahoo.com, "KIYADA PITTMAN" ladiep...@verizon. net, "Linda CMO Nettles" lindanettles@ att.com, "LORI FARMER" MELTNYAMOUTH1X@ AOL.COM, "Lovonne Traver's Bertchelle" LAVONNETRAVERS@ YAHOO.COM, "MARY RANDOLPH" brownsugamr@ yahoo.com, "MARY BRYANT" mama...@verizon. net, "MISS KIT" kit6...@aol. com, "ms jhooly" jho1136...@aol. com, mze...@hotmail. com, "NANA BAHDO" africandoll@ hotmail.com, "Nana Bandoh" aban...@interland. com, "OPHELIA" owill7...@yahoo. com, "Pauline Griffiths" camhormel35@ yahoo.com, "renata sims" lady23454va@ yahoo.com, "Rochelle MCMillan" roe...@yahoo. com, "SHARON WALKER" swal...@rjpalmer. com, "sis green" trulyblessed6@ aol.com, "STEPHANIE ETHRIDGE" stephanieethridge@ hotmail.com, "teresa banks" tban...@aol. com, "Toni Warner" vista...@aol. com, "Trena R R" tgr...@yahoo. COM, "TRINA" tjenkin...@aol. com, "tylene merricks" kitten9...@comcast. net, "Tylene O Merricks" tylene.merricks@ partners. basf.com, "venise beauzile" vounie_aka_sexyt@ yahoo.com, "YVONNE RILEY" yvonnriley153@ msn.comDate: Monday, July 13, 2009, 11:19 AM I think this is very True... BOBBY GALLOWAY--- On Mon, 7/13/09, RODNEY SHIPMAN rods...@msn. com wrote: -- Subject: Bill Cosby Does it Again... Profound! This man deserves a Nobel Prize 'They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouthIn fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living. People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around. The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics. I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2?Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? Or who is his father? People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from?? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa . I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid. I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany , Scotland, England, Ireland, or the Netherlands . The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa . So stop, already! ! ! With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap . and all of them are in jail. Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used
Re: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth - Slight spoilers
slight spoilers for the movie I Am Legend I agree, it was problems like that which dampened my enjoyment. He seems to have spent all that time holed up in his townhome, hitting golf balls off the deck of ships. Yet when he meets the lady and her kid, they're on the way to a colony which is really not that far away. Why couldn't he have taken that armored up vehicle, left one morning at sunrise, and gone exploring? Why and how is it that he never found anyone on the radio all that time? As for the mutants, I think the leader was more intelligent than the rest, who I took it, were regressed to near-bestial state. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:14:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth Another question I had was, why didn't he live on the aircraft carrier? Were we to assume that the mutants gained strength but not intelligence? How did the mutant set the trap? Why did he own dogs? Why didn't the survivors answer back on the radio? Too many holes... On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I agree with that SUV thing. The movie had so much potential, but someone seems to have decided they had to jazz it up with over-the-top FX. The ending bothered me too, and I felt that the way they staged it actually provided for Smith to have had an ending other than the one he had--has fate wasn't foregone. There was also the matter of his isolation and lack of contact with others: once the other humans show up near the end, he engages methods to find out if he's alone or not, and I kept thinking That's all it took? He could have done that a long time ago! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:29:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth There's one scene that really bugged me in the Will Smith movie. That was the one where they were on the pier and one of the creatures runs into the side of the SUV and flips it over. Ten people could pick it up on the side and turn it over, but it would take at least 20 to run into it with the right timing to turn it over. I agree about the CGI. It was overused. They should have saved it for later. Also the ending bugged me. (I will try not to give that away) The mutants that were left didn't have to leave the room and what about fire? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't seen this version. I like the version with Heston, though it varies from the book (I hear). It's decent '70s scifi. The one aired last week on SyFy was horrible. It was like a Van Damme or Lundgren flick where they throw in the trappings of a scifi world, then execute what is basically a standard fighting/actioneer. the movie didn't even *feel* like it was another world: it looked and felt exactly as if it had been filmed in our current reality, and the fights and stuff were standard martial arts/gun battles from a hundred other movies, most of them non scifi. Horrible. I liked I Am Legend in many ways. Smith did a creditable job. The sense of loneliness and despair is palpable. there are a couple of genuinely scary moments. The major mistakes in the movie are the plotting and pacing, in that the arrival of other humans on the scene takes place very late in the film. Things are then resolved quickly and unsatisfactorily. It's as if they spent all the writing and time on Smith as one man alone, then had to rush things at the end. Could have used anothe twenty minutes to work on that, or cut a bit of the stuff that came before. The other thing that was a bigger problem for me was the use of CGI for the mutated humans. They were in every single scene, painfully, obviously CGI. They were nowhere nearly as convincing as Gollum in LOTR, and it was distracting. The scenes where they attack Smith's house, or menance him on a pier, aren't exciting because they're leaping about like Spider-Man, and the FX used to display those superhuman feats are every bit as false looking as the worse scenes in the Spider-Man movies. I simply couldn't suspend my awareness of the CGI characters enough to be engaged by them--except for one, terrifying moment in a building where the cinematography obscures the CGI nature of the characters. Other than that, good movie. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:14:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth I'm watching the original movie starring Vincent Price on my local PBS station. I think that if they had made the Will Smith movie with vampires
Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites
Thanks. It was all over the freakin' place. SyFy has aired it ad infinitum too... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:57:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Keith, it was Bravo that re-aired the pilot a few dozen times. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:17:55 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Yeah, I mentioned that in my review of Warehouse 13 the other night, along with similarities to Level 9, G vs. E, The Chronicle, and others--and all of them are better than this show. I hope it gets better, but have doubts... but I must say, between SyFy and another channel --was it USA? TNT?--the debut was aired at least half a dozen times in the last week. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:28:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I was thinking like you. Friday the thirteen meets XFiles. Dead on From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:26 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I'm glad that someone made the same connection that I was seeing. Warehouse 13 is a LOT like Friday the 13th but a little more humorous. More like Friday the 13th meets Xfiles. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: By Sarah Hope Williams , 2:00 PM on Sun Jul 12 2009 Copy this whole post to another site Slurp cancel sending request Syfy is back, now with Ys, vying even harder for your attention. But the network's name isn't the only thing that has been re-purposed; its new staple shows seem oddly familiar. Why is Syfy so unapologetically recycling old television? Syfy is trying to impress us with its new look and new shows, like a small-town girl who moves to the big city to be an actress, bleaches her hair platinum blonde and changes her name. And while we remain skeptical of clichéd reinvention, we have to admit – it worked for Norma Jeane. http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/07/504x_Warehouse13_cast-thumb-550x268-13745.jpgWarehouse 13 premiered this week on Syfy, and many viewers were filled with a strong sense of Déjà vu. A pair of odd-couple government agents are sent to investigate paranormal activity, blatantly setting the characters up as replicas of Mulder and Scully. Couldn't Syfy at least have mixed things up a bit by making Pete being the by-the-book skeptic and Myka being the intuitive true-believer? But it's not just the agents themselves that are borrowed directly from the archives: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/friday-series.jpgThe name of show, and its very concept, evokes another direct influence: the quirky Canadian series Friday the 13th that aired in 1987, about a pair of cousins who inherit an antique shop that turns out to be filled with supernatural artifacts. They too are aided by an eccentric middle-aged man with a vast knowledge of the supernatural. In Friday , the female lead is named Micki, and Warehouse's tight-laced female agent is Myka – here again, Syfy strives to make things new and shiny by swapping ys for is. http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/T1iT41eeWdY_02.jpg http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/itHmmsweuro.jpg This isn't a new approach by any means. When Syfy's old staple show, Eureka , first premiered in 2006, its premise was equally familiar; government official gets sent to a small town in the Pacific Northwest to investigate a strange occurrence, teams up with local law enforcement and becomes deeply embroiled in the wacky little town and all its colorful characters. Sheriff Carter is no Agent Cooper, but the sense of odd familiarity about the show was undeniable. Eureka appeared to be a candy-coated kid's coloring-book version of Twin Peaks . http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/C9kejvxRokg.jpg The question remains, why isn't Syfy trying harder to hide its repackaging of television we already know and love? Do they hope that by transparently recycling these well-worn television tropes they can take a direct route to high ratings and fan admiration? Certainly the ever-increasing number of movie sequels indicates more of the same is a safe bet. Syfy already seems to be engaged in rebooting even more 80's television, including Quantum Leap and Alien Nation . It is remarkable how much attention all these new shows have
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin?
ha! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:13:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Keith, that might be for the best. Were I in Presdient Obama's shoes right now, facing this, I'd have the Secret Service chasing some folks down. And Free Report's web site would be a fond memory. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:50:40 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Well, there goes your chance to run for the White House--again! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:46:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? I was in a bad mood when I walked in the door. This did not help. Not for the first time in my life, I am NOT proud to be an American. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Question: When does the hate stop and human decency begin? Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : bham_meet_n_gr...@yahoogroups.com, the_zetaheaven_gr...@yahoogroups.com Hate to post this, but I found this from a Princeton professor friend of mine. http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=101100539206h=Wq46xu=HJmBoref=nf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites
And Deacon Jones is the guy who introduces you to your new life. The white dude who's newly resurrected is given a videotape of Jones, who all but explodes from the TV in his fervor. He gives the hapless dude the scoop on his new life, and then, leaning even further into the camera, Jones says And one more thing--Nooo sex! You see, there are all these evil undead/zombie like people called Moorlocks (I think) who look like humans most of the time. The newly resurrected do-gooders have a lease on life that's odd: they can't commit anything considered a mortal sin, or they're toast. Well, it seems that having sex with a Moorlock is a mortal sin, and, since you can't tell them from humans, it's better to simply avoid the whole affair rather than risk that. It was really good, quirky, fun show, with great characters. Think Reaper with a bit more humor and danger. Gone too soon. Brooks was perfect for his role, his deep, almost pained way of speaking lending itself to the dry humour of the show. I remember one show when he was talking to his partner about the need to be celibate and how hard it was. He reminisced about this one Sister he was really tempted by. The description: She was a backup singer with Gap Band, and man could she burn some pork chops in the kitchen! I still roll with laughter thinking of that line. You really have to hear it to experience the full effect. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:18:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites It had Richard Brooks of Law Order and Clayton Rohner playing two formerly dead men who are resurrected by the forces of Good to return demons to Hell. They have no powers and only magical gizmos to do so, while the demons are fully powered. Oh -- and they can't have any contact with people in their past lives. And no sex. 8-O -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:59:00 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I never got around to catching it. What was it about? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Good vs Evil, a USA show from earlier this decade. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:02:15 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What is G vs E ? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, I mentioned that in my review of Warehouse 13 the other night, along with similarities to Level 9, G vs. E, The Chronicle, and others--and all of them are better than this show. I hope it gets better, but have doubts... but I must say, between SyFy and another channel --was it USA? TNT?--the debut was aired at least half a dozen times in the last week. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:28:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I was thinking like you. Friday the thirteen meets XFiles. Dead on *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:26 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites I'm glad that someone made the same connection that I was seeing. Warehouse 13 is a LOT like Friday the 13th but a little more humorous. More like Friday the 13th meets Xfiles. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: By Sarah Hope Williams , 2:00 PM on Sun Jul 12 2009 Copy this whole post to another site Slurp cancel [image: sending request] Syfy is back, now with Ys, vying even harder for your attention. But the network's name isn't the only thing that has been re-purposed; its new staple shows seem oddly familiar. Why is Syfy so unapologetically recycling old television? Syfy is trying to impress us with its new look and new shows, like a small-town girl who moves to the big city to be an actress, bleaches her hair platinum blonde and changes her name. And while we remain skeptical of clichéd reinvention, we have to admit – it worked for Norma Jeane. [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/07/504x_Warehouse13_cast-thumb-550x268-13745.jpg ] *Warehouse 13 * premiered this week on Syfy, and many viewers were filled with a strong sense of Déjà vu. A pair of odd-couple government agents
Re: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth - Slight spoilers
I thought that he was stuck on the island of Manhattan? (I haven't been to NYC so I don't know if it is a true island) But what I didn't understand is how the woman got to Manhattan with a car if all of the bridges were blown up? (one of the effects that I enjoyed deeply) On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: slight spoilers for the movie I Am Legend I agree, it was problems like that which dampened my enjoyment. He seems to have spent all that time holed up in his townhome, hitting golf balls off the deck of ships. Yet when he meets the lady and her kid, they're on the way to a colony which is really not that far away. Why couldn't he have taken that armored up vehicle, left one morning at sunrise, and gone exploring? Why and how is it that he never found anyone on the radio all that time? As for the mutants, I think the leader was more intelligent than the rest, who I took it, were regressed to near-bestial state. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:14:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth Another question I had was, why didn't he live on the aircraft carrier? Were we to assume that the mutants gained strength but not intelligence? How did the mutant set the trap? Why did he own dogs? Why didn't the survivors answer back on the radio? Too many holes... On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I agree with that SUV thing. The movie had so much potential, but someone seems to have decided they had to jazz it up with over-the-top FX. The ending bothered me too, and I felt that the way they staged it actually provided for Smith to have had an ending other than the one he had--has fate wasn't foregone. There was also the matter of his isolation and lack of contact with others: once the other humans show up near the end, he engages methods to find out if he's alone or not, and I kept thinking That's all it took? He could have done that a long time ago! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:29:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth There's one scene that really bugged me in the Will Smith movie. That was the one where they were on the pier and one of the creatures runs into the side of the SUV and flips it over. Ten people could pick it up on the side and turn it over, but it would take at least 20 to run into it with the right timing to turn it over. I agree about the CGI. It was overused. They should have saved it for later. Also the ending bugged me. (I will try not to give that away) The mutants that were left didn't have to leave the room and what about fire? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't seen this version. I like the version with Heston, though it varies from the book (I hear). It's decent '70s scifi. The one aired last week on SyFy was horrible. It was like a Van Damme or Lundgren flick where they throw in the trappings of a scifi world, then execute what is basically a standard fighting/actioneer. the movie didn't even *feel* like it was another world: it looked and felt exactly as if it had been filmed in our current reality, and the fights and stuff were standard martial arts/gun battles from a hundred other movies, most of them non scifi. Horrible. I liked I Am Legend in many ways. Smith did a creditable job. The sense of loneliness and despair is palpable. there are a couple of genuinely scary moments. The major mistakes in the movie are the plotting and pacing, in that the arrival of other humans on the scene takes place very late in the film. Things are then resolved quickly and unsatisfactorily. It's as if they spent all the writing and time on Smith as one man alone, then had to rush things at the end. Could have used anothe twenty minutes to work on that, or cut a bit of the stuff that came before. The other thing that was a bigger problem for me was the use of CGI for the mutated humans. They were in every single scene, painfully, obviously CGI. They were nowhere nearly as convincing as Gollum in LOTR, and it was distracting. The scenes where they attack Smith's house, or menance him on a pier, aren't exciting because they're leaping about like Spider-Man, and the FX used to display those superhuman feats are every bit as false looking as the worse scenes in the Spider-Man movies. I simply couldn't suspend my awareness of the CGI characters enough to be engaged by them--except for one, terrifying moment in a building where the cinematography obscures the CGI nature of the characters. Other than that, good movie. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf
