date:20090823

I actually don’t mind him, but those side storylines like him neglecting and 
passing over his AI car for a better one and the episode with the area 51 
rivalry was horrible.  However, you are probably right and some demographic 
study told them that the young white males that they are after like those silly 
storylines.

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:03 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 



This country is notoriously homophobic so more than likely they won't be 
persuing that angle. Its also possible that the actor that plays Fargo is gay 
but not the character. 

Unfortunately, Fargo will probably remain as a staple on the show. It is his 
technology that makes up the house and other key things on the show. I think 
that they also use him some people in the audience will have someone to 
identify with.




On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Tracey de Morsella 
 wrote:

 

Fargo has a girlfriend.  He had a major crush on Jo, and this woman who had a 
crush on him, took Jo’s form.  When he discovered he was connecting with the 
Doppelganger, they hooked up and went off into the sunset.   He still could be 
gay or bi, but it does not look like they are pursuing that angle  

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:48 PM


To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 

 


I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. 

I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made 
interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it 
wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. 

I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't 
going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as 
the son, and the animal trainer guy. 

They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to 
the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then 
they killed him again with a time paradox. 

Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was 
autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give 
him many plots to participate in. 

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:

 

A couple more thoughts:

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing.
  
* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?




- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense".

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.

Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has.   

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to m

Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity

Although in their defense, the show did talk about some sort of salt peter
that stopped them from being horny.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:59 PM, C.W. Badie wrote:

>
>
> P.S. if somebody as hot as that girl was is lying on my chest, the LAST
> thing I'm thinkung about is how much she weighs...JEEZ
>
>  --
> *From:* Mr. Worf 
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:36:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity
>
>
>
> Hehehe ok. He is too geeky and you are on a spaceship with attractive women
> and he acts like he is too busy playing world of warcraft to say anything
> productive.
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:26 PM, C.W. Badie  yahoo.com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  Aw go for broke, Worf, he IS annoyingly geekly...
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* Mr. Worf >
>> *To:* scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:08:20 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity
>>
>>
>>
>> True a good point! Dude almost drowned in the pool! His character is
>> almost annoyingly geeky.
>>
>>  On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:08 AM, C.W. Badie > yahoo.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I know...saved by the script...NOTE: if physical ability was a factor
>>> like in the NASA program, neither would the round guy have made it...
>>>
>>>  --
>>> *From:* Mr. Worf >
>>> *To:* scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:45:28 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> She threw up in the flashback 5 or 6 times. They nicknamed her Lady Puke
>>> or something like that. She would have never made it in reality.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:25 PM, C.W. Badie >> yahoo.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>


  Well, no matter what they called it, it sounded like space sickness to
 me.although they have been hinting around that the entire crew had been
 chosen by some kind of entity and it was causing them to undergo changes;
 physically and mentally from what I can tell...

  --
 *From:* Mr... Worf >

 *To:* scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
 *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:13:16 PM
 *Subject:* [scifinoir2] Defying gravity



 Ok, one question that has been bothering me since the show started is
 WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT HAS A NERVOUS VOMITING PROBLEM GO ON A 
 LONG
 TERM SPACE MISSION?

 --
 Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
 Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_
 of_darkness/




>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
>>> Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_
>>> of_darkness/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
>> Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_
>> of_darkness/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_
> of_darkness/
>
>
>
> 
>



-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

This country is notoriously homophobic so more than likely they won't be
persuing that angle. Its also possible that the actor that plays Fargo is
gay but not the character.

Unfortunately, Fargo will probably remain as a staple on the show. It is his
technology that makes up the house and other key things on the show. I think
that they also use him some people in the audience will have someone to
identify with.



On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Tracey de Morsella <
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> wrote:

>
>
>  Fargo has a girlfriend.  He had a major crush on Jo, and this woman who
> had a crush on him, took Jo’s form.  When he discovered he was connecting
> with the Doppelganger, they hooked up and went off into the sunset.   He
> still could be gay or bi, but it does not look like they are pursuing that
> angle
>
>
>
> *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Mr. Worf
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:48 PM
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
>
>
>
>
>
> I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago.
>
> I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made
> interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it
> wasn't going anywhere and lost steam.
>
> I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't
> going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as
> the son, and the animal trainer guy.
>
> They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed
> to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back.
> Then they killed him again with a time paradox.
>
> Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was
> autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't
> give him many plots to participate in.
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> A couple more thoughts:
>
> * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the
> contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess
> I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more
> development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with
> Stark or the "he's the dumbest guy in the room" thing.
>
> * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like
> that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...
>
> * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah
> Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female"
> voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Johnson" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
>
>
>
> Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying
> it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably
> more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the
> big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's
> always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to
> get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do
> anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to
> say about "Book sense, but no common sense".
>
> Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too.
> Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still
> some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
> obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm
> clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the
> space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused.
> Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling
> me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure
> that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.
>
> Some other thoughts on the show:
>
> * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she
> irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like
> the tender side and sense and humour she has.
>
> * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason
> I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me
> this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.
> * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the
> show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now.
>
> * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by
> killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back
> a computeri

Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity

P.S. if somebody as hot as that girl was is lying on my chest, the LAST thing 
I'm thinkung about is how much she weighs...JEEZ





From: Mr. Worf 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:36:32 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity

  
Hehehe ok. He is too geeky and you are on a spaceship with attractive women and 
he acts like he is too busy playing world of warcraft to say anything 
productive.


On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:26 PM, C.W. Badie  wrote:


>
>
>Aw go for broke, Worf, he IS annoyingly geekly...
>
>
>
>

From: Mr. Worf 
>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:08:20 AM 
>
>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity
>
>  
>True a good point! Dude almost drowned in the pool! His character is almost 
>annoyingly geeky. 
>
>
>On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:08 AM, C.W. Badie  
>wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>I know...saved by the script...NOTE: if physical ability was a factor like in 
>>the NASA program, neither would the round guy have made it...
>>
>>
>>
>>

From: Mr. Worf 
>>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
>>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:45:28 AM 
>>
>>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity
>>
>>
>>  
>>She threw up in the flashback 5 or 6 times. They nicknamed her Lady Puke or 
>>something like that. She would have never made it in reality. 
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:25 PM, C.W. Badie  
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, no matter what they called it, it sounded like space sickness to 
>>>mealthough they have been hinting around that the entire crew had been 
>>>chosen by some kind of entity and it was causing them to undergo changes; 
>>>physically and mentally from what I can tell...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

From: Mr.. Worf  
>>>
>>>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:13:16 PM
>>>Subject: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>Ok, one question that has been bothering me since the show started is WHY 
>>>WOULD YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT HAS A NERVOUS VOMITING PROBLEM GO ON A LONG 
>>>TERM SPACE MISSION?
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
>>>Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ 
>>>of_darkness/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
>>Mahogany at: http://groups.. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ 
>>of_darkness/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
>Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/
>
>
>
>


-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity

Good...you DO see what I mean...





From: Mr. Worf 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:36:32 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity

  
Hehehe ok. He is too geeky and you are on a spaceship with attractive women and 
he acts like he is too busy playing world of warcraft to say anything 
productive.


On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:26 PM, C.W. Badie  wrote:


>
>
>Aw go for broke, Worf, he IS annoyingly geekly...
>
>
>
>

From: Mr. Worf 
>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:08:20 AM 
>
>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity
>
>  
>True a good point! Dude almost drowned in the pool! His character is almost 
>annoyingly geeky. 
>
>
>On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:08 AM, C.W. Badie  
>wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>I know...saved by the script...NOTE: if physical ability was a factor like in 
>>the NASA program, neither would the round guy have made it...
>>
>>
>>
>>

From: Mr. Worf 
>>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
>>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:45:28 AM 
>>
>>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity
>>
>>
>>  
>>She threw up in the flashback 5 or 6 times. They nicknamed her Lady Puke or 
>>something like that. She would have never made it in reality. 
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:25 PM, C.W. Badie  
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, no matter what they called it, it sounded like space sickness to 
>>>mealthough they have been hinting around that the entire crew had been 
>>>chosen by some kind of entity and it was causing them to undergo changes; 
>>>physically and mentally from what I can tell...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

From: Mr.. Worf  
>>>
>>>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:13:16 PM
>>>Subject: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>Ok, one question that has been bothering me since the show started is WHY 
>>>WOULD YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT HAS A NERVOUS VOMITING PROBLEM GO ON A LONG 
>>>TERM SPACE MISSION?
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
>>>Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ 
>>>of_darkness/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
>>Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
>Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/
>
>
>
>


-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

You should be sttled into the idea that if it is good, it's got to go...





From: tasheka4 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:51:09 AM
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  
New to this group, but I thought I'd chime in with my favorite cancelled scifi 
shows.

I really liked Otherworld from the 80s and was sad to see it cancelled. Does 
anyone remember that one?

Also hated to lose Alien Nation, Farscape, Babylon 5, and most recently 
Torchwood.

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "C.W. Badie"  wrote:
>
> Oh I don't know, Martin...getting into a tight sitting position is going to 
> be murder with this 'spare tire'...and trying to hit a target well over 5 
> football fields away...do I really need to explain that?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _ _ __
> From: Martin Baxter 
> To: SciFiNoir2 
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:34:16 AM
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> You still have the same mind. The rest is just a matter of compensation.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _ _ __
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:03:19 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> I guess I should have mentioned that was over 20 years,70lbs, and a pair of 
> bifocals ago...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _ _ __
> From: Martin Baxter 
> To: SciFiNoir2 
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:48:51 AM
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> I'm going to be even nicer to you in the future...
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _ _ __
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:03:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> But that is the way it works in the Corps...everyone is a basic grunt 
> rifleman. Behold, I amÂ probably the onlyÂ trombone player you know who could 
> take you out at 500 meters with a service rifle! (M-16A1 &A2)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _ _ __
> From: Mr. Worf 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:31:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> I'm aware of that, my focus was more on the pilot aspect of the show. It 
> didn't make sense for them to be in a fighter pilot role then a couple of 
> episodes later storming a base. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Augustus Augustus  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >Worf,
> >
> >C.W. is totally right.Â  even Marine Corps officers go to 'The Basic School' 
> >where they learn 2 be grunts and how 2 lead other Marines.Â  after that, 
> >they go 2 whatever other school that they qualified for.
> >
> >Fate. 
> >
> >--- On Tue, 8/18/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From: C.W. Badie 
> >>
> >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >>Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:30 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>Â  
> >>
> >>
> >>Honestly, Worf, That is how they train Marine officers Probably Army 
> >>ones too...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>  _ _ __
> From: Mr. Worf 
> >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10:33 AM 
> >>
> >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >>
> >>Â  
> >>That I understand. What I didn't understand was why did they make them into 
> >>pilots too? 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, C.W. Badie  
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Um...Mr. Worf, every Marine is a gruntand a rifleman At least that 
> >>>is what I was taught...But officers lead...just not each other...What does 
> >>>make me ill about that show was a few years down the road, drill 
> >>>instructors started wearing campain covers (smokie hats) with dress blues. 
> >>>I'm sorry, but that is the most retarded thing I have every seen the 
> >>>Marine Corp do...Even worse than the Army taking theÂ headgear that 
> >>>distinguished their special forces from the rest of the soldiers and 
> >>>letting everyone wear it...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  _ _ __
> From: Mr. Worf 
> >>>
> >>>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups..com
> >>>Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:44:43 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Â  
> >>>That's one of the things that I liked and disliked about the show. I 
> >>>didn't understand why they would waste training on making someon

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

Gotcha...





From: Martin Baxter 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:31:20 AM
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  
It's the rep that matters. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:24:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  


Oh I don't know, Martin...getting into a tight sitting position is going to be 
murder with this 'spare tire'...and trying to hit a target well over 5 football 
fields away...do I really need to explain that?





From: Martin Baxter 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:34:16 AM
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  
You still have the same mind. The rest is just a matter of compensation.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:03:19 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  


I guess I should have mentioned that was over 20 years,70lbs, and a pair of 
bifocals ago...





From: Martin Baxter 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:48:51 AM
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  
I'm going to be even nicer to you in the future...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:03:46 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  


But that is the way it works in the Corps...everyone is a basic grunt rifleman. 
Behold, I am probably the only trombone player you know who could take you out 
at 500 meters with a service rifle! (M-16A1 &A2)





From: Mr. Worf 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:31:02 AM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  
I'm aware of that, my focus was more on the pilot aspect of the show. It didn't 
make sense for them to be in a fighter pilot role then a couple of episodes 
later storming a base. 



On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:


>
>
>Worf,
>
>C.W. is totally right.  even Marine Corps officers go to 'The Basic School' 
>where they learn 2 be grunts and how 2 lead other Marines.  after that, they 
>go 2 whatever other school that they qualified for.
>
>Fate. 
>
>--- On Tue, 8/18/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:
>
>
>>From: C.W. Badie 
>>
>>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
>>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>>Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:30 AM
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>Honestly, Worf, That is how they train Marine officers. Probably Army 
>>ones too...
>>
>>
>>
>>

From: Mr. Worf 
>>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10:33 AM 
>>
>>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
>>
>>  
>>That I understand. What I didn't understand was why did they make them into 
>>pilots too? 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, C.W. Badie  
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Um...Mr. Worf, every Marine is a gruntand a rifleman...At least that is 
>>>what I was taught...But officers lead...just not each other...What does make 
>>>me ill about that show was a few years down the road, drill instructors 
>>>started wearing campain covers (smokie hats) with dress blues. I'm sorry, 
>>>but that is the most retarded thing I have every seen the Marine Corp 
>>>do...Even worse than the Army taking the headgear that distinguished their 
>>>special forces from the rest of the soldiers and letting everyone wear it...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

From: Mr. Worf 
>>>
>>>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>>>Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:44:43 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>That's one of the things that I liked and disliked about the show. I didn't 
>>>understand why they would waste training on making someone into a grunt and 
>>>into a fighter pilot. You should be one or the other and not both. That 
>>>would take too long to do in a war situation especially if you are trying to 
>>>save the planet. But I also liked the disorganized feel because things would 
>>>fall apart a bit if the bad guys were to hit certain areas 
>>>first.Organization and logistics would ge

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

Now that's a very good thing...





From: Martin Baxter 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:34:12 AM
Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

  
And I'll deserve every inch of it. But I'll getting a cut of the pie for the 
show. (And you'd have that truck!)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:03:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

  


If the blonde starts talking God nad his plan, I'll know who to cuss out, 
Martin...





From: "wlro...@aol. com" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:20:12 PM
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

  


Well as long as you don't see any red dresses anywhere then I am sure there is 
nothing to worry about as of yet.
--Lavender


From: Martin Baxter 
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:35 AM
To: SciFiNoir2 
Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
Maybe they're building for a Gravity-BG crossover event. What's in Pod 4 is 
actually the Cylon God, and these are Cylons and I REALLY need to shut up 
before RDM sees this and gets ideas...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: asrobin...@mindspri ng.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:47:10 +
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

  
Well put. I watched the first 3 eps on hulu, but probably won't watch any more. 
Thye've made it too hard for me to care what's in pod 4.

Funny thing I noticed though: about 2:15 into Ep 3 (scene: the packed-up living 
room of the couple originally on the mission before the guy got cut) is the 
same as Starbuck's appartment on BSG. Ha!

 -From: George Arterberry 
> >To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:17:06 AM
> >Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >
> >Ê 
> >
> >
> >
> >It seemed cheap and boring.Just enough sci-fi , not to qualify as a
> >sexual drama.
> >
> >--- On Sun, 8/16/09, Mr. Worf http://gmail. com/
> >]gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >From: Mr.. Worf 
> >Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >To: scifino...@yahoogro [ http://ups.com/ ]ups.com
> >Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 8:12 PM
> >
> >Ê 
> >The formula isn't right for network tv. They will kill it because they
> >can't do any product placement or have cameos of guest stars to boost the
> >ratings. The show is tepid at best and a snoozefest at its worst. 
> >
> >On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter <[
> >http://us.mc586. .mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=truthseeker01 3...@lycos.com
> >]truthseeker013@ lycos.com> wrote:
> >
> >Pal, it's a Canadian series, the rights to which ABC bought, so it'll
> >probably last its full run.
> >
> >[ http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt1319690/ ]http://www.imdb./ com/title/
> >tt1319690/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> >ÊSubject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >
> >ÊDate : Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >ÊFrom : "C.W. Badie" <[
> >http://us.mc586./ mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=astromancer20 0...@yahoo. 
> >com
> >]astromancer2002@ yahoo.com>
> >
> >ÊTo : [
> >http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com
> >]scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com
> >
> >
> >I liked it, but it's rather loose storytelling, the type of looseness the
> >leads to cancellation. ..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >___ _ _ _ __
> >From: Martin Baxter
> >
> >To: [
> >http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com
> >]scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com
> >Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 8:24:50 AM
> >Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >
> >
> >Keith, I almost missed it, stumbling across it two minutes before it
> >bbegan. I
> >
> >I enjoyed it overall, though the pacing was a bit leaden at times. (Maybe
> >on purpose?) The mysterious nature of the real mission has me hooked,
> >without saying. Can't wait until the MC ventures into Pod 4 to find out
> >what's really up.
> >
> >As for the incidental music, I really don't take notice of it as I watch
> >a TV show or movie, unless it's a song near and dear to my heart.
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >Subject : [scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >Date : Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:13:45 + (UTC)
> >From : Keith Johnson
> 
> >To : scifino...@yahoogro [ http://ups.com/ ]ups.com
> >
> >Anyone watching ABC's entry into the "Big Brother in Outer Sp

Re: [scifinoir2] What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

If only...

From: Martin Baxter 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:32:44 AM
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

People like us don't lose out grip. We're watching the rest of the world lose 
*its* grip.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:18:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

Thanks, buddy, I thought it was me losing my grip...again!

From: Martin Baxter 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:38:12 AM
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

Pal, I just said something to that effect to a friend of mine in Virginia whoi 
just saw the movie yesterday with her husband. If a species has the 
wherewithall to pack up whatever it can as its civilization is collapsing, and 
portage it all who-knows-how- many light-years to get to Earth, it can't be 
"shiftless". ..

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:53:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

Um...I'm having a hard time digesting someone calling spacefaring aliens 
'shiftless.' This denotes to me a serious disconnect from that reality...

From: sincere1906 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:27:00 AM
Subject: [scifinoir2] What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

Posted Tuesday, August 18| By Jonah Weiner 

http://www.slate. com/blogs/ blogs/browbeat/ archive/2009/ 08/18/what- 
does-district- 9-have-to- say-about- apartheid. aspx

I caught a matinee of District 9 today with a friend who is a devoted sci-fi 
buff, and who spent several years living in South Africa (in the post-apartheid 
aughts). Afterward, we agreed we'd had a blast—unlike Dan Engber, whose review 
is here—and then got to the harder work of puzzling over the film's politics. 
That District 9 grapples with apartheid is irrefutable, but what does it have 
to say on the subject? (Spoilers hover above the next paragraph, their alien 
turbines idling.) 

My friend was troubled by the depiction of the stranded aliens as "shiftless" 
"intergalactic schlubs," as Dan puts it. There's something unsavory, he argued, 
in director Neill Blomkamp portraying his allegorical shack dwellers as dumb, 
hapless, and helpless members of a community so thoroughly rent by poverty and 
oppression that the only hope for their betterment lies either in intervention 
from the outside (Wikus van der Merwe) or the lone efforts of an anomalous, 
intellectually advanced insider (the alien called Christopher Thompson). This 
logic can take on an infantilizing, unempowering aspect, he said, that denies 
oppressed parties agency, the ability to organize effectively from the ground 
up.

We were both uncertain about Blomkamp's ultimate point about miscegenation, for 
lack of a better word, as represented by Wikus's gooey transformation into a 
prawn. Right through the film's final image, Wikus regards his othering from 
himself as a horror he wants reversed—he fights the evil MNU not out of virtue 
but out of self-interest and, in the process, becomes a microcosmic model for 
any "native" body that fears "foreign" contamination. The transforming/ 
transformed Wikus isn't the embodiment of post-racial harmony. Rather, the 
metamorphosis alienates him twice over, strands him between categories that are 
themselves left intact: He's not a human and he's not a "prawn," either. 

That's fine—it makes him a more interesting character and District 9 a more 
complicated film. But while it's clear Wikus isn't a radical, Blomkamp's own 
position remains opaque. It occurs to me that we could easily imagine the South 
African Lou Dobbs, say, sympathizing with and championing the prawns—after all, 
they don't peskily want jobs or equal rights as citizens; they just want to 
wash our hands of themselves and fly on home. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions

I see a storyline forming...as soo as my head stops spinning

From: Keith Johnson 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:36:30 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions

If time were linear (a line), it'd be one dimension. A true line is one 
dimensional, a plane (like a sheet of paper), would be two dimensional, of 
course the cube is three, and then the concept of spacetime is associated with 
four by some

Speaking of time, there's a new book out I've heard about where one of the 
physicists working on the new supercollider in Europe tries to explain 
Relativity in an easy-to-understand method.  It's called "Why Does E=mc2? And 
Why Should We Care?" The concept of time is discussed, including why it's truly 
relative (depending on one's frame of reference only) and why it flows in only 
one direction, at least for those of use with mass.  I listen to a program 
called "Think", from KERA in Dallas. The book's author, Brian Cox, did an 
hourlong interview recently that was pretty good. You can find the interview 
here: 

http://www.kera.. org/audio/ think.php 
Einstein's Theory of Relativity
[2009-08-12 13:00:00] Is Einstein's theory of relativity too complex for the 
average Joe to comprehend, or just waiting for the right teacher? We'll discuss 
common misconceptions about relativity this hour with Brian Cox, particle 
physicist and co-author of the new book "Why Does E=MC2 And Why Should We 
Care?" (DaCapo, 2009). 

Here's a link to a review of the book. I plan to pick it up soon:  

http://www.powells. com/biblio/ 9780306817588

- Original Message -
From: "Adrianne Brennan" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:27:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions

Observed time isn't a dimension, though. And if it's in a line, it should be 
two dimensions as a line's two dimensional.

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On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Omari Confer  wrote:

>
>They dont speak of time in its abstract they refer to time as observed 
>time.
>
>Who i was when i began this email...and who I am right now..
>
>c w m 
>
>
>
>On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Adrianne Brennan gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  
>>Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me.
>>
>>
>>Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would jump 
>>on that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very definition it 
>>should take up two dimensions not just one.
>>
>>
>>And it's not linear.
>>
>>
>>I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects of 
>>time versus time itself.
>>
>>
>>And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started with...I 
>>will end this email. LOL
>>
>>~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
>>http://www.adrianne brennan.com
>>Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne 
>>brennan.com/ botdm.html
>>Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne 
>>brennan.com/ bamc.html
>>Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne 
>>brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:15 PM, brent wodehouse >us> wrote:
>>
>>http://www.boingboi ng.net/2009/ 08/18/visualizin g-up-to-te. html
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
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>>>fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
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RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

I can’t get up any enthusiasm to see bastards either.  Don’t know why.  I’m not 
even sure I will pursue it on cable.  It seems like it is some sort of Dirty 
Dozen tribute and I loved that, but I’m not feeling it.

 

Gotta get a baby sitter so we can go see District 9

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:06 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

 






No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. 
Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've heard some good 
things about it.
I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in 
the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the 
negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie 
was portrayed well).  The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I 
really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon...

*
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce

Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal 
Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend 
with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice.

"Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently 
struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film 
internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi 
thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore 
session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million.

The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's 
PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for 
sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in 
10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for 
one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000.

Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time 
Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a $37.4 
million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy "The 
Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a $11.2 million cume. 
Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 million cume, and 
Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped 60% to $890,000 and a 
$4.5 million cume.

The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top 
performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That marked 
a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick.

In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease 
Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and 
grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue.

Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee 
Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A. and 
grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement.

IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven," starring Liam 
Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and fetched a sturdy 
$5,200.

Elsewhere in the specialty market, Samuel Goldwyn/IDP's Paul Giamatti starrer 
"Cold Souls" added 32 theaters for a total 53 and grossed $133,295, or a so-so 
$2,515 per venue, as cume climbed to $340,068.

Focus Features' Korean vampire pic "Thirst" added three playdates for a total 
17 and grossed $31,400, or a thin $1,047 per engagement, with a $1.8 million 
cume.

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

Fargo has a girlfriend.  He had a major crush on Jo, and this woman who had a 
crush on him, took Jo’s form.  When he discovered he was connecting with the 
Doppelganger, they hooked up and went off into the sunset.   He still could be 
gay or bi, but it does not look like they are pursuing that angle  

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:48 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 



I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. 

I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made 
interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it 
wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. 

I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't 
going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as 
the son, and the animal trainer guy. 

They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to 
the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then 
they killed him again with a time paradox. 

Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was 
autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give 
him many plots to participate in. 

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:

 

A couple more thoughts:

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing.
  
* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?




- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense".

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.

Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has.   

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now.  

* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing 
off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And speaking of that, 
Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically 
still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does 
he even have an office at city hall?
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
the town, including those at Global Dynamics.  Yet he doesn't have a high 
security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him 
because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits 
to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's "onl

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent 
them from destroying the show rant.

 

I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either.  Even though it was weird, I kinda liked 
Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer).Jo and the boyfriend have no 
chemistry and their lines  kind of fall flat.

 

I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in 
on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse.  I 
think moving her into the café was a good move 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 






A couple more thoughts:

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing.
  
* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?


- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense".

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.

Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has.   

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now.  
< b r>* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by 
killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And speaking of that, 
Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically 
still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does 
he even have an office at city hall?
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
the town, including those at Global Dynamics.  Yet he doesn't have a high 
security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him 
because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits 
to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's "only" the 
sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD.  But, 
more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high 
dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, 
Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which 
usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret discussions. Is it 
logical, therefore, for his clearance to be relatively low?

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week 
they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), 
so I am starting to like it again.   Getting rid of the sister who found 
everything wrong with him was a good move too.  I realize they need conflict, 
but I do not think it worked with her.   I also like that they decided to have 
Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let 
him move on.  I like the  chemistry that he has with the new woman and that 
they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed.  

 

I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme 
shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. 
 I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked 
in the first place.   I did not like the 5 day stupid think either.  I’m not 
sure why they keep pursuing that angle.  I hope it is a fluke.

 

By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest 
star with at best re-occurring status. 

 

Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they 
stay on track 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 






Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense".

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.

Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has.   

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now.  

* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing 
off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And speaking of that, 
Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically 
still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does 
he even have an office at city hall?
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
the town, including those at Global Dynamics.  Yet he doesn't have a high 
security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him 
because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits 
to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's "only" the 
sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD.  But, 
more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high 
dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, 
Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which 
usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret discussions. Is it 
logical, therefore, for his clearance to be relatively low?

Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie Old boy and was
blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am looking forward
to the movie because the director is known for making good dark, and twisted
films.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it
> though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've
> heard some good things about it.
> I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera
> in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the
> negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the
> movie was portrayed well).  The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but
> overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon...
>
> *
>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce
>
> Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal
> Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the
> weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice.
>
> "Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently
> struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film
> internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi
> thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its
> sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million.
>
> The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's
> PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for
> sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in
> 10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for
> one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000.
>
> Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time
> Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a
> $37.4 million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's
> comedy "The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a
> $11.2 million cume. Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1
> million cume, and Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped
> 60% to $890,000 and a $4.5 million cume.
>
> The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top
> performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That
> marked a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick.
>
> In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease
> Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and
> grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue.
>
> Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee
> Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A.
> and grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement.
>
> IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven," starring
> Liam Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and fetched a
> sturdy $5,200.
>
> Elsewhere in the specialty market, Samuel Goldwyn/IDP's Paul Giamatti
> starrer "Cold Souls" added 32 theaters for a total 53 and grossed $133,295,
> or a so-so $2,515 per venue, as cume climbed to $340,068.
>
> Focus Features' Korean vampire pic "Thirst" added three playdates for a
> total 17 and grossed $31,400, or a thin $1,047 per engagement, with a $1.8
> million cume.
>
>
>
> 




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Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago.

I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made
interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it
wasn't going anywhere and lost steam.

I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't
going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as
the son, and the animal trainer guy.

They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to
the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then
they killed him again with a time paradox.

Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was
autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't
give him many plots to participate in.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> A couple more thoughts:
>
> * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the
> contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess
> I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more
> development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with
> Stark or the "he's the dumbest guy in the room" thing.
>
> * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like
> that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...
>
> * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah
> Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female"
> voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Johnson" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
>
>
>
> Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying
> it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably
> more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the
> big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's
> always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to
> get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do
> anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to
> say about "Book sense, but no common sense".
>
> Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too.
> Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still
> some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
> obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm
> clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the
> space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused.
> Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling
> me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure
> that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.
>
> Some other thoughts on the show:
>
> * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she
> irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like
> the tender side and sense and humour she has.
>
> * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason
> I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me
> this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.
> * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the
> show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now.
>
> * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by
> killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back
> a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And speaking of
> that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He
> basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running
> experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall?
> * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone
> in the town, including those at Global Dynamics.  Yet he doesn't have a high
> security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with
> him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off
> limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's "only"
> the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at
> GD.  But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering
> some high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells,
> etc. In fact, Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these
> dangers, which usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret
> discussions. Is it logical, therefore, for his clearance to be relatively
> lo

Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

Where'd you hear that? I thought I heard them speak a language that wasn't 
English or Afrikans? 
Either way that doesn't matter: the were black people, and portrayed pretty 
badly as drug dealers, weapons dealers, thugs living in squalor, even had the 
prostitutes committing the worst act of all, having sex with the "prawns". The 
whites in teh movie were reprehensible too, but they were at least on top in 
that world. I was sorely troubled by the portrayal of the black thugs, whatever 
their country of origin. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Justin Mohareb"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:09:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 






One thing, though. They're not supposed to be Nigerian, specifically. 
It appears that, in SA, the term "Nigerian" is synonymous with 
"gangster". 

Justin 

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Keith 
Johnson< keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: 
> 
> 
> No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it 
> though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've 
> heard some good things about it. 
> I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera 
> in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the 
> negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the 
> movie was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but 
> overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... 
> 
> * 
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce
>  
> 
> Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal 
> Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the 
> weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. 
> 
> "Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently 
> struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film 
> internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi 
> thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its 
> sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. 
> 
> The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's 
> PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for 
> sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in 
> 10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for 
> one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000. 
> 
> Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time 
> Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a 
> $37.4 million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's 
> comedy "The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a 
> $11.2 million cume. Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 
> million cume, and Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped 
> 60% to $890,000 and a $4.5 million cume. 
> 
> The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top 
> performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That 
> marked a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick. 
> 
> In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease 
> Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and 
> grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue. 
> 
> Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee 
> Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A. 
> and grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement. 
> 
> IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven," starring Liam 
> Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and fetched a sturdy 
> $5,200. 
> 
> Elsewhere in the specialty market, Samuel Goldwyn/IDP's Paul Giamatti 
> starrer "Cold Souls" added 32 theaters for a total 53 and grossed $133,295, 
> or a so-so $2,515 per venue, as cume climbed to $340,068. 
> 
> Focus Features' Korean vampire pic "Thirst" added three playdates for a 
> total 17 and grossed $31,400, or a thin $1,047 per engagement, with a $1.8 
> million cume. 
> 
> 

-- 
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http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

A couple more thoughts: 

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing. 

* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... 

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Johnson"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 







Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. 

Some other thoughts on the show: 

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has. 

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. 
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now. 

* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing 
off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, 
Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically 
still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does 
he even have an office at city hall? 
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high 
security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him 
because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits 
to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's "only" the 
sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, 
more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high 
dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, 
Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which 
usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret discussions. Is it 
logical, therefore, for his clearance to be relatively low?

Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

2009-08-23 Thread Justin Mohareb

One thing, though.  They're not supposed to be Nigerian, specifically.
 It appears that, in SA, the term "Nigerian" is synonymous with
"gangster".

Justin

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Keith
Johnson wrote:
>
>
> No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it
> though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've
> heard some good things about it.
> I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera
> in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the
> negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the
> movie was portrayed well).  The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but
> overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon...
>
> *
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce
>
> Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal
> Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the
> weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice.
>
> "Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently
> struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film
> internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi
> thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its
> sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million.
>
> The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's
> PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for
> sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in
> 10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for
> one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000.
>
> Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time
> Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a
> $37.4 million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's
> comedy "The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a
> $11.2 million cume. Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1
> million cume, and Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped
> 60% to $890,000 and a $4.5 million cume.
>
> The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top
> performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That
> marked a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick.
>
> In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease
> Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and
> grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue.
>
> Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee
> Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A.
> and grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement.
>
> IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven," starring Liam
> Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and fetched a sturdy
> $5,200.
>
> Elsewhere in the specialty market, Samuel Goldwyn/IDP's Paul Giamatti
> starrer "Cold Souls" added 32 theaters for a total 53 and grossed $133,295,
> or a so-so $2,515 per venue, as cume climbed to $340,068.
>
> Focus Features' Korean vampire pic "Thirst" added three playdates for a
> total 17 and grossed $31,400, or a thin $1,047 per engagement, with a $1.8
> million cume.
>
> 



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[scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though.
Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've heard some good
things about it.
I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in
the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the
negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie
was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really
enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon...

*
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce

Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal
Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend
with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice.

"Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently
struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film
internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi
thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore
session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million.

The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's
PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for
sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in
10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for
one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000.

Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time
Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a $37.4
million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy "The
Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a $11.2 million cume.
Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 million cume, and
Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped 60% to $890,000 and a
$4.5 million cume.

The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top
performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That marked
a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick.

In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease
Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and
grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue.

Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee
Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A. and
grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement.

IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven," starring Liam
Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and fetched a sturdy
$5,200.

Elsewhere in the specialty market, Samuel Goldwyn/IDP's Paul Giamatti starrer
"Cold Souls" added 32 theaters for a total 53 and grossed $133,295, or a so-so
$2,515 per venue, as cume climbed to $340,068.

Focus Features' Korean vampire pic "Thirst" added three playdates for a total
17 and grossed $31,400, or a thin $1,047 per engagement, with a $1.8 million
cume.

[scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. 

Some other thoughts on the show: 

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has. 

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. 
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now. 

* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing 
off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, 
Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically 
still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does 
he even have an office at city hall? 
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high 
security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him 
because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits 
to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's "only" the 
sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, 
more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high 
dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, 
Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which 
usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret discussions. Is it 
logical, therefore, for his clearance to be relatively low?

Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions

If time were linear (a line), it'd be one dimension. A true line is one 
dimensional, a plane (like a sheet of paper), would be two dimensional, of 
course the cube is three, and then the concept of spacetime is associated with 
four by some 

Speaking of time, there's a new book out I've heard about where one of the 
physicists working on the new supercollider in Europe tries to explain 
Relativity in an easy-to-understand method. It's called "Why Does E=mc2? And 
Why Should We Care?" The concept of time is discussed, including why it's truly 
relative (depending on one's frame of reference only) and why it flows in only 
one direction, at least for those of use with mass. I listen to a program 
called "Think", from KERA in Dallas. The book's author, Brian Cox, did an 
hourlong interview recently that was pretty good. You can find the interview 
here: 

http://www.kera.org/audio/think.php 
Ein stein's Theory of Relativity 
[2009-08-12 13:00:00] Is Einstein's theory of relativity too complex for the 
average Joe to comprehend, or just waiting for the right teacher? We'll discuss 
common misconceptions about relativity this hour with Brian Cox, particle 
physicist and co-author of the new book "Why Does E=MC2 And Why Should We 
Care?" (DaCapo, 2009). 

Here's a link to a review of the book. I plan to pick it up soon: 

http://www.powells.com/biblio/9780306817588 

- Original Message - 
From: "Adrianne Brennan"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:27:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions 

Observed time isn't a dimension, though. And if it's in a line, it should be 
two dimensions as a line's two dimensional. 

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On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Omari Confer < clockwork...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 

They dont speak of time in its abstractthey refer to time as observed time. 

Who i was when i began this email...and who I am right now.. 

c w m 

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Adrianne Brennan < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com 
> wrote: 

Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me. 

Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would jump on 
that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very definition it 
should take up two dimensions not just one. 

And it's not linear. 

I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects of 
time versus time itself. 

And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started with...I 
will end this email. LOL 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

2009-08-23 Thread Augustus Augustus

Adrianne, i love u!  thanks 4 the info.  

Fate.

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Adrianne Brennan  wrote:

From: Adrianne Brennan 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 10:24 PM






 





  Torchwood isn't being cancelled. In fact it's been brought 
back for a fourth season.
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adrianne brennan.com


Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ botdm.html
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bamc.html


Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath



On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:51 AM, tasheka4  wrote:


New to this group, but I thought I'd chime in with my favorite cancelled scifi 
shows.



I really liked Otherworld from the 80s and was sad to see it cancelled.  Does 
anyone remember that one?



Also hated to lose Alien Nation, Farscape, Babylon 5, and most recently 
Torchwood.





--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "C.W. Badie"  wrote:

>

> Oh I don't know, Martin...getting into a tight sitting position is going to 
> be murder with this 'spare tire'...and trying to hit a target well over 5 
> football fields away...do I really need to explain that?



>

>

>

>

>  _ _ __

> From: Martin Baxter 

> To: SciFiNoir2 

> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:34:16 AM

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

> You still have the same mind. The rest is just a matter of compensation.

>

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

>

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

>

>

>

>

>

>  _ _ __

> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com

> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:03:19 -0700

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

>

>

> I guess I should have mentioned that was over 20 years,70lbs, and a pair of 
> bifocals ago...

>

>

>

>

>  _ _ __

> From: Martin Baxter 

> To: SciFiNoir2 

> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:48:51 AM

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

> I'm going to be even nicer to you in the future...

>

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

>

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

>

>

>

>

>

>  _ _ __

> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com

> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:03:46 -0700

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

>

>

> But that is the way it works in the Corps...everyone is a basic grunt 
> rifleman. Behold, I amÂ probably the onlyÂ trombone player you know who could 
> take you out at 500 meters with a service rifle! (M-16A1 &A2)



>

>

>

>

>  _ _ __

> From: Mr. Worf 

> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:31:02 AM

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

> I'm aware of that, my focus was more on the pilot aspect of the show. It 
> didn't make sense for them to be in a fighter pilot role then a couple of 
> episodes later storming a base.

>

>

>

> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Augustus Augustus  
> wrote:

>

>

> >

> >

> >Worf,

> >

> >C.W. is totally right.Â  even Marine Corps officers go to 'The Basic School' 
> >where they learn 2 be grunts and how 2 lead other Marines.Â  after that, 
> >they go 2 whatever other school that they qualified for.



> >

> >Fate.

> >

> >--- On Tue, 8/18/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:

> >

> >

> >>From: C.W. Badie 

> >>

> >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

> >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> >>Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:30 AM

> >>

> >>

> >>Â 

> >>

> >>

> >>Honestly, Worf, That is how they train Marine officers Probably Army 
> >>ones too...

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

>  _ _ __

> From: Mr. Worf 

> >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10:33 AM

> >>

> >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

> >>

> >>Â 

> >>That I understand. What I didn't understand was why did they make them into 
> >>pilots too?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, C.W. Badie  
> >>wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Um...Mr. Worf, every Marine is a gruntand a rifleman At least that 
> >>>is what I was taught...But officers lead...just not each other...What does 
> >>>make me ill about that show was a few years down the road, drill 
> >>>instructors started wearing campain covers (smokie hats) with dress blues. 
> >>>I'm sorry, but that is the most

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

Torchwood isn't being cancelled. In fact it's been brought back for a fourth
season.
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath


On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:51 AM, tasheka4  wrote:

> New to this group, but I thought I'd chime in with my favorite cancelled
> scifi shows.
>
> I really liked Otherworld from the 80s and was sad to see it cancelled.
>  Does anyone remember that one?
>
> Also hated to lose Alien Nation, Farscape, Babylon 5, and most recently
> Torchwood.
>
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "C.W. Badie" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Oh I don't know, Martin...getting into a tight sitting position is going
> to be murder with this 'spare tire'...and trying to hit a target well over 5
> football fields away...do I really need to explain that?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Martin Baxter 
> > To: SciFiNoir2 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:34:16 AM
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >
> > Â
> > You still have the same mind. The rest is just a matter of compensation.
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
> > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:03:19 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > I guess I should have mentioned that was over 20 years,70lbs, and a pair
> of bifocals ago...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Martin Baxter 
> > To: SciFiNoir2 
> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:48:51 AM
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >
> > Â
> > I'm going to be even nicer to you in the future...
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
> > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:03:46 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > But that is the way it works in the Corps...everyone is a basic grunt
> rifleman. Behold, I amÂ probably the onlyÂ trombone player you know who
> could take you out at 500 meters with a service rifle! (M-16A1 &A2)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Mr. Worf 
> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:31:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >
> > Â
> > I'm aware of that, my focus was more on the pilot aspect of the show. It
> didn't make sense for them to be in a fighter pilot role then a couple of
> episodes later storming a base.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Augustus Augustus  yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Worf,
> > >
> > >C.W. is totally right.Â  even Marine Corps officers go to 'The Basic
> School' where they learn 2 be grunts and how 2 lead other Marines.Â  after
> that, they go 2 whatever other school that they qualified for.
> > >
> > >Fate.
> > >
> > >--- On Tue, 8/18/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: C.W. Badie 
> > >>
> > >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> > >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > >>Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:30 AM
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Â
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Honestly, Worf, That is how they train Marine officers Probably
> Army ones too...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > 
> > From: Mr. Worf 
> > >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10:33 AM
> > >>
> > >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> > >>
> > >>Â
> > >>That I understand. What I didn't understand was why did they make them
> into pilots too?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, C.W. Badie  yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Um...Mr. Worf, every Marine is a gruntand a riflemanAt least
> that is what I was taught...But officers lead...just not each other...What
> does make me ill about that show was a few years down the road, drill
> instructors started wearing campain covers (smokie hats) with dress blues.
> I'm sorry, but that is the most retarded thing I have every seen the Marine
> Corp do...Even worse than the Army taking theÂ headgear that distinguished
> their special forces from the rest of the soldiers and letting everyone wear
> it...
> > >>>
> > >>>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

2009-08-23 Thread Augustus Augustus

Lav,

i agree.  now Ezra was kool, but Jadzia was S-E-X-Y!

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, wlro...@aol.com  wrote:

From: wlro...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 5:57 PM

Yes, it was one of the episodes 
that I almost stop watching. I loved her.  But it was nice how it was done 
where it was not she dies and oh well  unlike TNG.
--Lavender

From: Augustus Augustus 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:32 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest 
Tearjerkers

  never read it, but will definitely pick it up Monday and start on 
  it.

  Fate.

  p.s.  just finished watching the DS9 episode where Jadzia Dax 
  dies man they really screwed over Worf on that one!  brought a 
  little mist to THIS Marine's eye.

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Martin 
  Baxter  
  wrote:

From: 
Martin Baxter 
Subject: 
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers
To: "SciFiNoir2" 

Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 
7:40 AM

Thank you. After I'm done with the book I'm reading now, I'll need 
it, because I'm reading that again.

"If all the world's a stage 
and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the 
director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? 
v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ 
yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:46:13 -0700
Subject: Re: 
[scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

(handing Martin a handkerchief)

From: Martin Baxter 

To: SciFiNoir2 

Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 
7:19:33 AM
Subject: RE: 
[scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest 
Tearjerkers

Oh, yeah...

(misting up)

"If all the 
world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell 
hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? 
v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:16:20 
+
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest 
Tearjerkers

I 
remember that too, good stuff. Never did figure why the Deryni of 
Gwynedd didn't leave en masse and go to the neighboring countries, some 
of which had openly practicing Deryni.
By the way, I remember getting 
misty eyed later, when Evaine-who, if I remember had lost a child 
too--was doing one of the spiritual/psychic things, and caught a 
glimpse 
of the Afterlife. There, she saw her husband and child, and decided to 
just let go, while her frantic brother tried to call her back. that was 
something...

- Original Message -
From: "Martin 
Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 
7:56:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 
SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

I hear you, pal.

My own moment-of-tears 
with the written word came when I first read Katherine Kurtz's "Camber 
the Heretic", a scene when a group of psi-gifted humanoids where being 
massacred by humans. One of the humanoids (Deryni, their race was 
called), Rhys, a doctor with the power to heal, was trying to escape 
when he saw injured humans nearby. Being a doctor, he followed the 
Hippocratic and stopped to begin healing the person. As he was doing 
so, 
he was hit from behind, a blow that stoved in his head, destroying the 
part of his brain that enabled him to heal. His wife Evaine learned 
this 
as she went into his mind, trying to access his power to heal him. All 
the while, he was still conscious, feeling himself die, saying his 
goodbyes to his friends telepathically. .. marked the first and only 
time I've ever thrown a book. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the 
people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- 
Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? 
v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:20:26 
-0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest 
Tearjerkers

Sorry, but the biggest tearjerking moment for me was not in a 
movie...It was from Octavia Butler's "Wild Seed," when Anyanwu came to 
the conclusion that she was never going to change or escape from Doro, 
so she decided to just

Re: [scifinoir2] Viewing alert for tonight

2009-08-23 Thread Augustus Augustus

Martin,

i never watched the tv show, but i am watching it now.  it is 27 minutes into 
it, and i am a little confused.  if george is dead, why does she need a job?  
and furthermore, at the beginning, the pulled the soul out of  a man who was 
about 2 commit suicide.   now jasmine guy (whom i have loved since 'different 
world') and 2 other 'reapers' are in a beauty shop.  doing my best 2 piece 
2gether their back stories.

Fate.

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Viewing alert for tonight
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 7:02 PM






 





  


Siffy will be airing the "Dead Like Me" movie at nine tonight.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik



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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS


Mr Worf, I read a series of interviews with the cast suggesting that, if 
Torchwood were to go on, it would be with the cast as they survived "Children 
of Earth".

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:21:35 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS















 





  Torchwood isn't completely gone yet. According to the 
director they are waiting to hear a final word from the BBC. The problem is 
that they will need a new cast. 


On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 3:51 AM, tasheka4  wrote:

New to this group, but I thought I'd chime in with my favorite cancelled scifi 
shows.




I really liked Otherworld from the 80s and was sad to see it cancelled.  Does 
anyone remember that one?



Also hated to lose Alien Nation, Farscape, Babylon 5, and most recently 
Torchwood.





--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "C.W. Badie"  wrote:

>

> Oh I don't know, Martin...getting into a tight sitting position is going to 
> be murder with this 'spare tire'...and trying to hit a target well over 5 
> football fields away...do I really need to explain that?


>

>

>

>

> 

> From: Martin Baxter 

> To: SciFiNoir2 

> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:34:16 AM

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

> You still have the same mind. The rest is just a matter of compensation.

>

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

>

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

>

>

>

>

>

> 

> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com

> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:03:19 -0700

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

>

>

> I guess I should have mentioned that was over 20 years,70lbs, and a pair of 
> bifocals ago...

>

>

>

>

> 

> From: Martin Baxter 

> To: SciFiNoir2 

> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:48:51 AM

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

> I'm going to be even nicer to you in the future...

>

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

>

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

>

>

>

>

>

> 

> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com

> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:03:46 -0700

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

>

>

> But that is the way it works in the Corps...everyone is a basic grunt 
> rifleman. Behold, I amÂ probably the onlyÂ trombone player you know who could 
> take you out at 500 meters with a service rifle! (M-16A1 &A2)


>

>

>

>

> 

> From: Mr. Worf 

> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:31:02 AM

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

> I'm aware of that, my focus was more on the pilot aspect of the show. It 
> didn't make sense for them to be in a fighter pilot role then a couple of 
> episodes later storming a base.

>

>

>

> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Augustus Augustus  
> wrote:

>

>

> >

> >

> >Worf,

> >

> >C.W. is totally right.Â  even Marine Corps officers go to 'The Basic School' 
> >where they learn 2 be grunts and how 2 lead other Marines.Â  after that, 
> >they go 2 whatever other school that they qualified for.


> >

> >Fate.

> >

> >--- On Tue, 8/18/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:

> >

> >

> >>From: C.W. Badie 

> >>

> >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

> >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> >>Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:30 AM

> >>

> >>

> >>Â 

> >>

> >>

> >>Honestly, Worf, That is how they train Marine officers Probably Army 
> >>ones too...

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> 

> From: Mr. Worf 

> >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10:33 AM

> >>

> >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

> >>

> >>Â 

> >>That I understand. What I didn't understand was why did they make them into 
> >>pilots too?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, C.W. Badie  
> >>wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Um...Mr. Worf, every Marine is a gruntand a riflemanAt least that 
> >>>is what I was taught...But officers lead...just not each other...What does 
> >>>make me ill about that show was a few years down the road, drill 
> >>>instructors started wearing campain covers (smokie hats) with dress blues. 
> >>>I'm sorry, but that is the most retarded thing I have every seen the 
> >>>Marine Co

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

Torchwood isn't completely gone yet. According to the director they are
waiting to hear a final word from the BBC. The problem is that they will
need a new cast.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 3:51 AM, tasheka4  wrote:

> New to this group, but I thought I'd chime in with my favorite cancelled
> scifi shows.
>
> I really liked Otherworld from the 80s and was sad to see it cancelled.
>  Does anyone remember that one?
>
> Also hated to lose Alien Nation, Farscape, Babylon 5, and most recently
> Torchwood.
>
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "C.W. Badie" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Oh I don't know, Martin...getting into a tight sitting position is going
> to be murder with this 'spare tire'...and trying to hit a target well over 5
> football fields away...do I really need to explain that?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Martin Baxter 
> > To: SciFiNoir2 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:34:16 AM
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >
> > Â
> > You still have the same mind. The rest is just a matter of compensation.
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
> > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:03:19 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > I guess I should have mentioned that was over 20 years,70lbs, and a pair
> of bifocals ago...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Martin Baxter 
> > To: SciFiNoir2 
> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:48:51 AM
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >
> > Â
> > I'm going to be even nicer to you in the future...
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
> > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:03:46 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > But that is the way it works in the Corps...everyone is a basic grunt
> rifleman. Behold, I amÂ probably the onlyÂ trombone player you know who
> could take you out at 500 meters with a service rifle! (M-16A1 &A2)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Mr. Worf 
> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:31:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >
> > Â
> > I'm aware of that, my focus was more on the pilot aspect of the show. It
> didn't make sense for them to be in a fighter pilot role then a couple of
> episodes later storming a base.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Augustus Augustus  yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Worf,
> > >
> > >C.W. is totally right.Â  even Marine Corps officers go to 'The Basic
> School' where they learn 2 be grunts and how 2 lead other Marines.Â  after
> that, they go 2 whatever other school that they qualified for.
> > >
> > >Fate.
> > >
> > >--- On Tue, 8/18/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: C.W. Badie 
> > >>
> > >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> > >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > >>Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:30 AM
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Â
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Honestly, Worf, That is how they train Marine officers Probably
> Army ones too...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > 
> > From: Mr. Worf 
> > >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10:33 AM
> > >>
> > >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> > >>
> > >>Â
> > >>That I understand. What I didn't understand was why did they make them
> into pilots too?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, C.W. Badie  yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Um...Mr. Worf, every Marine is a gruntand a riflemanAt least
> that is what I was taught...But officers lead...just not each other...What
> does make me ill about that show was a few years down the road, drill
> instructors started wearing campain covers (smokie hats) with dress blues.
> I'm sorry, but that is the most retarded thing I have every seen the Marine
> Corp do...Even worse than the Army taking theÂ headgear that distinguished
> their special forces from the rest of the soldiers and letting everyone wear
> it...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > 
> > From: Mr. Worf 
> > >>>
> > >>>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > >>>Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:44:43 PM
> > >>>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Â
> > >>>T

[scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

2009-08-23 Thread tasheka4

New to this group, but I thought I'd chime in with my favorite cancelled scifi 
shows.

I really liked Otherworld from the 80s and was sad to see it cancelled.  Does 
anyone remember that one?

Also hated to lose Alien Nation, Farscape, Babylon 5, and most recently 
Torchwood.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "C.W. Badie"  wrote:
>
> Oh I don't know, Martin...getting into a tight sitting position is going to 
> be murder with this 'spare tire'...and trying to hit a target well over 5 
> football fields away...do I really need to explain that?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Martin Baxter 
> To: SciFiNoir2 
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:34:16 AM
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> You still have the same mind. The rest is just a matter of compensation.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:03:19 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> I guess I should have mentioned that was over 20 years,70lbs, and a pair of 
> bifocals ago...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Martin Baxter 
> To: SciFiNoir2 
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:48:51 AM
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> I'm going to be even nicer to you in the future...
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:03:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> But that is the way it works in the Corps...everyone is a basic grunt 
> rifleman. Behold, I amÂ probably the onlyÂ trombone player you know who could 
> take you out at 500 meters with a service rifle! (M-16A1 &A2)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Mr. Worf 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:31:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> I'm aware of that, my focus was more on the pilot aspect of the show. It 
> didn't make sense for them to be in a fighter pilot role then a couple of 
> episodes later storming a base. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Augustus Augustus  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >Worf,
> >
> >C.W. is totally right.Â  even Marine Corps officers go to 'The Basic School' 
> >where they learn 2 be grunts and how 2 lead other Marines.Â  after that, 
> >they go 2 whatever other school that they qualified for.
> >
> >Fate. 
> >
> >--- On Tue, 8/18/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From: C.W. Badie 
> >>
> >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >>Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:30 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>Â  
> >>
> >>
> >>Honestly, Worf, That is how they train Marine officers Probably Army 
> >>ones too...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> From: Mr. Worf 
> >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10:33 AM 
> >>
> >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >>
> >>Â  
> >>That I understand. What I didn't understand was why did they make them into 
> >>pilots too? 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, C.W. Badie  
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Um...Mr. Worf, every Marine is a gruntand a riflemanAt least that 
> >>>is what I was taught...But officers lead...just not each other...What does 
> >>>make me ill about that show was a few years down the road, drill 
> >>>instructors started wearing campain covers (smokie hats) with dress blues. 
> >>>I'm sorry, but that is the most retarded thing I have every seen the 
> >>>Marine Corp do...Even worse than the Army taking theÂ headgear that 
> >>>distinguished their special forces from the rest of the soldiers and 
> >>>letting everyone wear it...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> From: Mr. Worf 
> >>>
> >>>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >>>Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:44:43 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Â  
> >>>That's one of the things that I liked and disliked about the show. I 
> >>>didn't understand why they would waste training on making someone into a 
> >>>grunt and into a fighter pilot. You should be one or the other and not 
> >>>both. That would take too long to do in a war situation especially if you 
> >>>are trying to save the planet. But I also liked the disorganized feel 
> >>>because things would fall apart

RE: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe


And, as I learned roughly fourteen times previously, not all cable providers 
carry all the good channels... I was supposed to get DirectTV last week, but my 
mother let my Idiot Sister make the call and, as expected, she botched it 
royally. Had to cancel the appointment, and reset another. Strangely enough, as 
if knowing that I'm on the verge of moving on, Comcrap (spit!) is acting 
better. I get everything except BBC America now. Too late, dillweeds! Martin 
OUT.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:16:33 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe















 





  
BUt I don't have Comcrap (spit!) any more...





From: Martin Baxter 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:38:08 PM
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe

  

It was just on, on Memorial Day on TCM.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:54:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe

  





I remember seeing that when I was a kid...





From: "mcjennings124@ yahoo.com" 
To: SciFi2 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 11:43:27 AM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe

  
I knew! But I'm old! Lol!
The movie was on AMC last year.

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From: "ravenadal" 
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:20:32 -
To: 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe

  
I was shocked, shocked I tell you, to discover G.I. Joe existed over twenty 
years before Hasbro remade him as a literal boy-toy. Shoot, the movie "The 
Story of G.I. Joe," starring Robert Mitchum and Burgess Meredith, came out in 
1945, a full eighteen years before Hasbro created the "11 1/2 inch realistic 
action figures" "Rocky" and "Ace." Who knew?

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

2009-08-23 Thread wlrouge

Yes, it was one of the episodes that I almost stop watching. I loved her.  But 
it was nice how it was done where it was not she dies and oh well  unlike TNG.
--Lavender

From: Augustus Augustus 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:32 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

  never read it, but will definitely pick it up Monday and start on it.

  Fate.

  p.s.  just finished watching the DS9 episode where Jadzia Dax 
diesman they really screwed over Worf on that one!  brought a little 
mist to THIS Marine's eye.

  --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 7:40 AM

Thank you. After I'm done with the book I'm reading now, I'll need it, 
because I'm reading that again.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:46:13 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

(handing Martin a handkerchief)

From: Martin Baxter 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 7:19:33 AM
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

Oh, yeah...

(misting up)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:16:20 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

I remember that too, good stuff. Never did figure why the Deryni of 
Gwynedd didn't leave en masse and go to the neighboring countries, some of 
which had openly practicing Deryni.
By the way, I remember getting misty eyed later, when Evaine-who, if I 
remember had lost a child too--was doing one of the spiritual/psychic things, 
and caught a glimpse of the Afterlife. There, she saw her husband and child, 
and decided to just let go, while her frantic brother tried to call her back. 
that was something...

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:56:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

I hear you, pal.

My own moment-of-tears with the written word came when I first read 
Katherine Kurtz's "Camber the Heretic", a scene when a group of psi-gifted 
humanoids where being massacred by humans. One of the humanoids (Deryni, their 
race was called), Rhys, a doctor with the power to heal, was trying to escape 
when he saw injured humans nearby. Being a doctor, he followed the Hippocratic 
and stopped to begin healing the person. As he was doing so, he was hit from 
behind, a blow that stoved in his head, destroying the part of his brain that 
enabled him to heal. His wife Evaine learned this as she went into his mind, 
trying to access his power to heal him. All the while, he was still conscious, 
feeling himself die, saying his goodbyes to his friends telepathically. .. 
marked the first and only time I've ever thrown a book. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:20:26 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

Sorry, but the biggest tearjerking moment for me was not in a 
movie...It was from Octavia Butler's "Wild Seed," when Anyanwu came to the 
conclusion that she was never going to change or escape from Doro, so she 
decided to just commit suicide (basically let herself die as she was immortal). 
Doro, realizing that Anyanwu was the only constant in his life, breaks down and 
pleads with her not to do it because he could not bare life without her (gotta 
read the bookI'm not good at explanations. ..in fact, I suck at it). 
Until I read that book, I had never shed a tear over the written word

-

Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe

BUt I don't have Comcrap (spit!) any more...

From: Martin Baxter 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:38:08 PM
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe

It was just on, on Memorial Day on TCM.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:54:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe

I remember seeing that when I was a kid...

From: "mcjennings124@ yahoo.com" 
To: SciFi2 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 11:43:27 AM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe

I knew! But I'm old! Lol!
The movie was on AMC last year.

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From: "ravenadal" 
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:20:32 -
To: 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe

I was shocked, shocked I tell you, to discover G.I. Joe existed over twenty 
years before Hasbro remade him as a literal boy-toy. Shoot, the movie "The 
Story of G.I. Joe," starring Robert Mitchum and Burgess Meredith, came out in 
1945, a full eighteen years before Hasbro created the "11 1/2 inch realistic 
action figures" "Rocky" and "Ace." Who knew?

~rave!

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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

2009-08-23 Thread brent wodehouse

Well, whatever may transpire, I hope it comes as a great success for you.
:-)


Brent


"C.W. Badie"  writes:

>I'm doing okay...hoped to raise enough cash to get a piece of a truck or
>van for my carpentry trade, but failed, so going back to school for
>weldingyou never know what trade will come it handy when the world
>economy will revert back to the barter system...
>
>
> -From: brent wodehouse 
>To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:45:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
>
>Ê 
>
>Oh, you know, bearing up as well as can be expected in these days of more
>modest expectations. :-)
>
>How 'bout you, sir? How's the general well being?
>
>Brent
>
>"C.W. Badie" <[ mailto:astromancer2002%40yahoo.com ]astromancer2002@
>yahoo.com> writes:
>>æ 
>>
>>
>>Brent! How are you sir?
>>
>>
>>  -From: brent wodehouse <[
>mailto:brent_wodehouse%40thefence..us ]brent_wodehouse@ thefence. us>
>>To: [ mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ]scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:58:16 PM
>>Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
>>
>>æ 
>>
>>Ahhh yes. That she is... :-)
>>
>>Brent
>>
>>"C.W. Badie" <[ mailto:astromancer2 002%40yahoo. com ]astromancer2002@
>>[ http://yahoo.com/ ]yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>True...but Karen Leblanc is very easy on the eyes...
>>>
>>>
>>>  -From: George Arterberry <[
>>mailto:brotherfrom howard%40yahoo. com ]brotherfromhoward@ yahoo.com>
>>>To: [ mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups. com ]scifinoir2@ yahoogro [
>http://ups.com/ ]ups.com
>>>Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:17:06 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
>>>
>>>¾ 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It seemed cheap and boring.Just enough sci-fi , not to qualify as a
>>>sexual drama..
>>>
>>>--- On Sun, 8/16/09, Mr. Worf http://gmail.com/
>]http://gmail. com/
>>]http://gmail.. com/
>>>][ [ http://gmail.com/ ]http://gmail. com/ ][ http://gmail.com/
>]gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Mr. Worf 
>>>Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
>>>To: scifino...@yahoogro [ http://ups.com/ ][ [ http://ups.com/
>]http://ups.com/ ]ups.com
>>>Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 8:12 PM
>>>
>>>¾ 
>>>The formula isn't right for network tv. They will kill it because they
>>>can't do any product placement or have cameos of guest stars to boost
>the
>>>ratings. The show is tepid at best and a snoozefest at its worst. 
>>>
>>>On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter <[
>>>[ [
>http://us.mc586..mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@lycos.com
>]http://us.mc586. .mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=truthseeker01
>3...@lycos.com
>>]http://us.mc586. .mail..yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=truthseeker01
>>[ mailto:3%40lycos.com ]...@lycos.com
>>>]truthseeker013@ [ [ http://lycos.com/ ]http://lycos. com/ ][
>http://lycos.com/ ]lycos.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Pal, it's a Canadian series, the rights to which ABC bought, so it'll
>>>probably last its full run.
>>>
>>>[ [ [ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1319690/ ]http://www.imdb. com/title/
>tt1319690/ ]http://www.imdb. com/title/
>>tt1319690/ ][ http://www.imdb./ ]http://www..imdb. com/title/
>>>tt1319690/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-[ Received Mail Content ]--
>>>
>>>¾Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
>>>
>>>¾Date : Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>>¾From : "C.W. Badie" <[
>>>[ [
>http://us.mc586.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=astromancer2...@yahoo.com
>]http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=astromancer20 0...@yahoo.
>com
>>][ http://us.mc586./ ]http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose?
>to=astromancer20 0...@yahoo.
>>com
>>>]astromancer2002@ [ [ http://yahoo.com/ ]http://yahoo. com/ ]yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>¾To : [
>>>[
>>[
>http://us.mc586.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com
>]http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=scifinoir2@ yahoogroups.
>com
>>][ http://us.mc586./ ]http://us.mc586. mail..yahoo. com/mc/compose?
>to=scifinoir2@
>>yahoogroups. com
>>>]scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups..com
>>>
>>>
>>>I liked it, but it's rather loose storytelling, the type of looseness
>the
>>>leads to cancellation. . ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>__ _ _ _ _ __
>>>From: Martin Baxter
>>>
>>>To: [
>>>[
>>[
>http://us.mc586.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com
>]http://us.mc586. mail..yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=scifinoir2@
>yahoogroups. com
>>][ http://us.mc586./ ]http://us.mc586.. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose?
>to=scifinoir2@ yahoogroups.
>>com
>>>]scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com
>>>Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 8:24:50 AM
>>>Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
>>>
>>>
>>>Keith, I almost missed it, stumbling across it two minutes before it
>>>bbegan. I
>>>
>>>I enjoyed it overall, though the pacing was a bit leaden at times.
>(Maybe
>>>on purpose?) The mysterious nature of the real mission has me hooked,
>>>without saying. Can't wait until the MC ventur

RE: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions


I'm looking for it right now. Silly me, I didn't retitle any of the papers as I 
got them from PhysOrg, so I have to click each one to find the title, and I've 
got about six hundred of them. As soon as I find it, you'll have it.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:15:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions















 





  Doesn't shock me. I don't even think *scientists* understand 
wtf time is, and it's as much 3D as space is 3D. I can see why people see them 
as intertwined and they are, but people just...yeah.



I'd love to see it.
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On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:



























Adrianne, I don't want to spook you too much, but there's a school of thought 
that time is at least four-dimensional as well, measured by aspects such as 
length, breadth, width and duration. They may seem similar to conventional 
measurements, but they aren't. I've got the paper on it stuck away somewhere on 
a CD-R. I'll look for it, if you're interested.



"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com


Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:27:43 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions















 





  Observed time isn't a dimension, though. And if it's in a 
line, it should be two dimensions as a line's two dimensional.


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On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Omari Confer  wrote:




























They dont speak of time in its abstractthey refer to time as observed time.

Who i was when i began this email...and who I am right now..

c w m



On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Adrianne Brennan  
wrote:













 





  Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me.

Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would jump on 
that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very definition it 
should take up two dimensions not just one.







And it's not linear.
I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects of 
time versus time itself.
And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started with...I 
will end this email. LOL






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Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions

Yay! :D
I love this shit. It really intrigues me.

:)

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Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
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Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
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On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Headache? Lady, you just made my day!
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:25:57 -0400
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions
>
>
>  Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me.
>
> Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would
> jump on that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very
> definition it should take up two dimensions not just one.
>
> And it's not linear.
>
> I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects of
> time versus time itself.
>
> And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started
> with...I will end this email. LOL
>
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:15 PM, brent wodehouse <
> brent_wodeho...@thefence.us> wrote:
>
> http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/18/visualizing-up-to-te.html
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions

Doesn't shock me. I don't even think *scientists* understand wtf time is,
and it's as much 3D as space is 3D. I can see why people see them as
intertwined and they are, but people just...yeah.
I'd love to see it.


~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath


On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Adrianne, I don't want to spook you too much, but there's a school of
> thought that time is at least four-dimensional as well, measured by aspects
> such as length, breadth, width and duration. They may seem similar to
> conventional measurements, but they aren't. I've got the paper on it stuck
> away somewhere on a CD-R. I'll look for it, if you're interested.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:27:43 -0400
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions
>
>
>  Observed time isn't a dimension, though. And if it's in a line, it should
> be two dimensions as a line's two dimensional.
>
>
>
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Omari Confer wrote:
>
>
>
> They dont speak of time in its abstractthey refer to time as observed
> time.
>
> Who i was when i began this email...and who I am right now..
>
> c w m
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Adrianne Brennan <
> adrianne.bren...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me.
>
> Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would
> jump on that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very
> definition it should take up two dimensions not just one.
>
> And it's not linear.
>
> I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects of
> time versus time itself.
>
> And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started
> with...I will end this email. LOL
>
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:15 PM, brent wodehouse <
> brent_wodeho...@thefence.us> wrote:
>
> http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/18/visualizing-up-to-te.html
>
>
>
> 
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RE: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions


Headache? Lady, you just made my day! 

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hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:25:57 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions















 





  Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me.

Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would jump on 
that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very definition it 
should take up two dimensions not just one.


And it's not linear.
I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects of 
time versus time itself.
And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started with...I 
will end this email. LOL

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RE: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions


Adrianne, I don't want to spook you too much, but there's a school of thought 
that time is at least four-dimensional as well, measured by aspects such as 
length, breadth, width and duration. They may seem similar to conventional 
measurements, but they aren't. I've got the paper on it stuck away somewhere on 
a CD-R. I'll look for it, if you're interested.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:27:43 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions















 





  Observed time isn't a dimension, though. And if it's in a 
line, it should be two dimensions as a line's two dimensional.


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On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Omari Confer  wrote:


























They dont speak of time in its abstractthey refer to time as observed time.

Who i was when i began this email...and who I am right now..

c w m



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  Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me.

Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would jump on 
that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very definition it 
should take up two dimensions not just one.





And it's not linear.
I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects of 
time versus time itself.
And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started with...I 
will end this email. LOL




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Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions

Observed time isn't a dimension, though. And if it's in a line, it should be
two dimensions as a line's two dimensional.


~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
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On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Omari Confer wrote:

>
>
> They dont speak of time in its abstractthey refer to time as observed
> time.
>
> Who i was when i began this email...and who I am right now..
>
> c w m
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Adrianne Brennan <
> adrianne.bren...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me.
>>
>> Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would
>> jump on that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very
>> definition it should take up two dimensions not just one.
>>
>> And it's not linear.
>>
>> I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects
>> of time versus time itself.
>>
>> And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started
>> with...I will end this email. LOL
>>
>> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
>> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
>> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
>> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
>> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
>> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
>> Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
>> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:15 PM, brent wodehouse <
>> brent_wodeho...@thefence.us> wrote:
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions

2009-08-23 Thread Omari Confer

They dont speak of time in its abstractthey refer to time as observed
time.

Who i was when i began this email...and who I am right now..

c w m

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Adrianne Brennan <
adrianne.bren...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me.
>
> Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would
> jump on that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very
> definition it should take up two dimensions not just one.
>
> And it's not linear.
>
> I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects of
> time versus time itself.
>
> And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started
> with...I will end this email. LOL
>
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:15 PM, brent wodehouse <
> brent_wodeho...@thefence.us> wrote:
>
>> http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/18/visualizing-up-to-te.html
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Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions

Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me.
Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would jump
on that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very definition
it should take up two dimensions not just one.

And it's not linear.

I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects of
time versus time itself.

And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started
with...I will end this email. LOL

~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath

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brent_wodeho...@thefence.us> wrote:

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RE: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now


And I'll deserve every inch of it. But I'll getting a cut of the pie for the 
show. (And you'd have that truck!)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:03:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now















 





  
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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:20:12 PM
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

  



Well as long as you don't see any red dresses anywhere then I am sure there is 
nothing to worry about as of yet.
--Lavender




From: Martin Baxter 
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:35 AM
To: SciFiNoir2 
Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

Maybe they're building for a Gravity-BG crossover event. What's in Pod 4 is 
actually the Cylon God, and these are Cylons and I REALLY need to shut up 
before RDM sees this and gets ideas...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: asrobin...@mindspri ng.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:47:10 +
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

  


Well put. I watched the first 3 eps on hulu, but probably won't watch any more. 
Thye've made it too hard for me to care what's in pod 4.

Funny thing I noticed though: about 2:15 into Ep 3 (scene: the packed-up living 
room of the couple originally on the mission before the guy got cut) is the 
same as Starbuck's appartment on BSG. Ha!

 -From: George Arterberry 
> >To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:17:06 AM
> >Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >
> >Ê 
> >
> >
> >
> >It seemed cheap and boring.Just enough sci-fi , not to qualify as a
> >sexual drama.
> >
> >--- On Sun, 8/16/09, Mr. Worf http://gmail. com/
> >]gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >From: Mr.. Worf 
> >Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >To: scifino...@yahoogro [ http://ups.com/ ]ups.com
> >Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 8:12 PM
> >
> >Ê 
> >The formula isn't right for network tv. They will kill it because they
> >can't do any product placement or have cameos of guest stars to boost the
> >ratings. The show is tepid at best and a snoozefest at its worst. 
> >
> >On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter <[
> >http://us.mc586. .mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=truthseeker01 3...@lycos.com
> >]truthseeker013@ lycos.com> wrote:
> >
> >Pal, it's a Canadian series, the rights to which ABC bought, so it'll
> >probably last its full run.
> >
> >[ http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt1319690/ ]http://www.imdb. com/title/
> >tt1319690/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> >ÊSubject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >
> >ÊDate : Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >ÊFrom : "C.W. Badie" <[
> >http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=astromancer20 0...@yahoo. com
> >]astromancer2002@ yahoo.com>
> >
> >ÊTo : [
> >http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com
> >]scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com
> >
> >
> >I liked it, but it's rather loose storytelling, the type of looseness the
> >leads to cancellation. ..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >___ _ _ _ __
> >From: Martin Baxter
> >
> >To: [
> >http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com
> >]scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com
> >Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 8:24:50 AM
> >Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >
> >
> >Keith, I almost missed it, stumbling across it two minutes before it
> >bbegan. I
> >
> >I enjoyed it overall, though the pacing was a bit
 leaden at times. (Maybe
> >on purpose?) The mysterious nature of the real mission has me hooked,
> >without saying. Can't wait until the MC ventures into Pod 4 to find out
> >what's really up.
> >
> >As for the incidental music, I really don't take notice of it as I watch
> >a TV show or movie, unless it's a song near and dear to my heart.
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >Subject : [scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >Date : Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:13:45 + (UTC)
> >From : Keith Johnson
> 
> >To : scifino...@yahoogro [ http://ups.com/ ]ups.com
> >
> >Anyone watching ABC's entry into the "Big Brother in Outer Space by way
> of BSG-style drama"? It deals with a seven-year mission in the year 2052
> that sends eight astronauts to visit six
 planets in the Solar System. Very
> quickly into the show, we're made aware there's some kind of secret
> involved. The two most experienced a

RE: [scifinoir2] What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?


People like us don't lose out grip. We're watching the rest of the world lose 
*its* grip.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:18:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?















 





  
Thanks, buddy, I thought it was me losing my grip...again!





From: Martin Baxter 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:38:12 AM
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

  

Pal, I just said something to that effect to a friend of mine in Virginia whoi 
just saw the movie yesterday with her husband. If a species has the 
wherewithall to pack up whatever it can as its civilization is collapsing, and 
portage it all who-knows-how- many light-years to get to Earth, it can't be 
"shiftless". ..

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:53:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

  





Um...I'm having a hard time digesting someone calling spacefaring aliens 
'shiftless.' This denotes to me a serious disconnect from that reality...





From: sincere1906 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:27:00 AM
Subject: [scifinoir2] What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

  
What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

Posted Tuesday, August 18| By Jonah Weiner 

http://www.slate. com/blogs/ blogs/browbeat/ archive/2009/ 08/18/what- 
does-district- 9-have-to- say-about- apartheid. aspx

I caught a matinee of District 9 today with a friend who is a devoted sci-fi 
buff, and who spent several years living in South Africa (in the post-apartheid 
aughts). Afterward, we agreed we'd had a blast—unlike Dan Engber, whose review 
is here—and then got to the harder work of puzzling over the film's politics. 
That District 9 grapples with apartheid is irrefutable, but what does it have 
to say on the subject? (Spoilers hover above the next paragraph, their alien 
turbines idling.) 

My friend was troubled by the depiction of the
 stranded aliens as "shiftless" "intergalactic schlubs," as Dan puts it. 
There's something unsavory, he argued, in director Neill Blomkamp portraying 
his allegorical shack dwellers as dumb, hapless, and helpless members of a 
community so thoroughly rent by poverty and oppression that the only hope for 
their betterment lies either in intervention from the outside (Wikus van der 
Merwe) or the lone efforts of an anomalous, intellectually advanced insider 
(the alien called Christopher Thompson). This logic can take on an 
infantilizing, unempowering aspect, he said, that denies oppressed parties 
agency, the ability to organize effectively from the ground up.

We were both uncertain about Blomkamp's ultimate point about miscegenation, for 
lack of a better word, as represented by Wikus's gooey transformation into a 
prawn. Right through the film's final image, Wikus regards his othering from 
himself as a horror he wants reversed—he fights the evil MNU
 not out of virtue but out of self-interest and, in the process, becomes a 
microcosmic model for any "native" body that fears "foreign" contamination. The 
transforming/ transformed Wikus isn't the embodiment of post-racial harmony. 
Rather, the metamorphosis alienates him twice over, strands him between 
categories that are themselves left intact: He's not a human and he's not a 
"prawn," either. 

That's fine—it makes him a more interesting character and District 9 a more 
complicated film. But while it's clear Wikus isn't a radical, Blomkamp's own 
position remains opaque. It occurs to me that we could easily imagine the South 
African Lou Dobbs, say, sympathizing with and championing the prawns—after all, 
they don't peskily want jobs or equal rights as citizens; they just want to 
wash our hands of themselves and fly on home. 








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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS