Re: [scifinoir2] This is scary! Cellphone takes over man's stove
The thing that bugged me about the Terminator was its vast misuse of resources. If it really wanted to kill humanity it could have just engineered a virus. A computer virus would have disabled communication followed by a biological virus and it could have wiped out everyone... On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: And, when the Terminator franchise comes to vivid reality... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:31:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] This is scary! Cellphone takes over man's stove As things become more web enabled they start running the danger of a virus. What if his cellphone gave his stove a virus? I know its not possible right now but soon...very soon... We already have web enabled stoves and refrigerators. All it takes is some kid on summer vacation to play around with it. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Now, if we were to install Magic Chef ovens in teenagers' cars, texting-while-driving would become a thing of the past. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:22:18 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] This is scary! Cellphone takes over man's stove http://www.switched.com/2009/08/19/cell-phone-inexplicably-turns-on-brooklyn-mans-oven?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try BingT now.http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. Click here. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
No every single worker, but the majority of them are. Carter was an exceptional police officer that got tapped for the job. Jo was a special weapons expert who wanted to do black ops. In the first couple of seasons she was trying to transfer out to do something else. They talked more about this stuff in the first 2 seasons but that storyline seemed to have faded. There is blatant product placement in the show. They mentioned it during on of the recaps during the show hiatus. There was also the deodorant that was used during the episode with the artificial sun. The product placement helps pay for the special effects. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: oh, so every single worker there is a genius? Well, I guess that would make it hard to be normal. Wonder why they don't have the same standards for the law enforcement? I also wonder why they don't have more security outside of the sheriff's office? I mean, one minute Carter's ticketing someone for double parking, the next he's trying to close a rupture in spacetime. And those uniforms: too Andy Griffith for me. And speaking of sheriff's accoutrements, have you noticed all the heavy handed Subaru in-episode advertising going on? Jo and Fargo kept saying Subaru Model over and over a couple of shows back. the new police cruiser is positioned so that the camera lingers over the Subaru decal quite a bit. I still find that type of obvious marketing irritating... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:02:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts To live in Eureka you must have a genius level and a security clearance. They never say how many people are regular people but often the spouses are not super geniuses. Everyone that lives there works for the company. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they
Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
[scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts
Martin, Thanks for the welcome! You're the first to do so. I'm just glad to find this group and know that there are other black scifi fans out there. I was beginning to think I was the only one besides my dad who died last year and left me with no one to talk to about Eureka and other scifi shows. None of my friends like it, and believe me I've tried to convert them. The closest they get is to fantasy like True Blood and Twilight (and I like these too), but none like actual scifi which I love. So the discussions I've been reading here have been great! I may not be a frequent poster because I'm in grad school, and as the semester gets going I know I'll be really busy. However, I will chime in with my two cents from time to time. Tasheka --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Great points, Tasheka! And welcome to the group, if no one else has said so. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tashe...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:11:42 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts I think the fact that there's not much else on really makes Eureka better this season. I remember that alternate timeline when Carter and Allison were expecting a baby. She was very pregnant. When Nathan died and we find out she's pregnant in this timeline, I thought maybe in that other timeline when she and Carter were together, she could have been pregnant with Nathan's child then too. Perhaps certain portions of that alternate timeline would be the same or similar to the present timeline. But then they brought in Tess, so I'm not sure. Although Allison was looking a little sad when she realized Tess and Carter had gone out on a date and that Tess really liked him. So who knows where they're going with this. Tasheka --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, angelababycat asrobinson@ wrote: I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right now...). But I agree that the Carterison thing was getting old. Besides, didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or something? In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get married, have a baby, etc. So any real romance between them would have to top or be very different than that story. I'm voting for Tess. Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Same here. I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible in the short-term From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdlists@ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I'm also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the
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I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom
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Tasheka, i too am so sorry 2 hear about your father. i promise u will be in my prayers this evening. also, welcome 2 the group! beware of - Tracey and Martin (they are truly strange :-) - just joking Trace and Martin...and you both know it. again, welcome Tasheka. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 4:28 PM Tasheka: Sorry to hear about your dad. I was close to my dad too. -Original Message- From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of tasheka4 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:06 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Martin, Thanks for the welcome! You're the first to do so. I'm just glad to find this group and know that there are other black scifi fans out there. I was beginning to think I was the only one besides my dad who died last year and left me with no one to talk to about Eureka and other scifi shows. None of my friends like it, and believe me I've tried to convert them. The closest they get is to fantasy like True Blood and Twilight (and I like these too), but none like actual scifi which I love. So the discussions I've been reading here have been great! I may not be a frequent poster because I'm in grad school, and as the semester gets going I know I'll be really busy. However, I will chime in with my two cents from time to time. Tasheka --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: Great points, Tasheka! And welcome to the group, if no one else has said so. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: tashe...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:11:42 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts I think the fact that there's not much else on really makes Eureka better this season. I remember that alternate timeline when Carter and Allison were expecting a baby. She was very pregnant. When Nathan died and we find out she's pregnant in this timeline, I thought maybe in that other timeline when she and Carter were together, she could have been pregnant with Nathan's child then too. Perhaps certain portions of that alternate timeline would be the same or similar to the present timeline. But then they brought in Tess, so I'm not sure. Although Allison was looking a little sad when she realized Tess and Carter had gone out on a date and that Tess really liked him. So who knows where they're going with this. Tasheka --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, angelababycat asrobinson@ wrote: I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right now...). But I agree that the Carterison thing was getting old. Besides, didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or something? In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get married, have a baby, etc. So any real romance between them would have to top or be very different than that story. I'm voting for Tess. Angela --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Same here. I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible in the short-term From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
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Tasheka: Sorry to hear about your dad. I was close to my dad too. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tasheka4 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Martin, Thanks for the welcome! You're the first to do so. I'm just glad to find this group and know that there are other black scifi fans out there. I was beginning to think I was the only one besides my dad who died last year and left me with no one to talk to about Eureka and other scifi shows. None of my friends like it, and believe me I've tried to convert them. The closest they get is to fantasy like True Blood and Twilight (and I like these too), but none like actual scifi which I love. So the discussions I've been reading here have been great! I may not be a frequent poster because I'm in grad school, and as the semester gets going I know I'll be really busy. However, I will chime in with my two cents from time to time. Tasheka --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Great points, Tasheka! And welcome to the group, if no one else has said so. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tashe...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:11:42 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts I think the fact that there's not much else on really makes Eureka better this season. I remember that alternate timeline when Carter and Allison were expecting a baby. She was very pregnant. When Nathan died and we find out she's pregnant in this timeline, I thought maybe in that other timeline when she and Carter were together, she could have been pregnant with Nathan's child then too. Perhaps certain portions of that alternate timeline would be the same or similar to the present timeline. But then they brought in Tess, so I'm not sure. Although Allison was looking a little sad when she realized Tess and Carter had gone out on a date and that Tess really liked him. So who knows where they're going with this. Tasheka --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, angelababycat asrobinson@ wrote: I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right now...). But I agree that the Carterison thing was getting old. Besides, didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or something? In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get married, have a baby, etc. So any real romance between them would have to top or be very different than that story. I'm voting for Tess. Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Same here. I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible in the short-term From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdlists@ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did
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A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon
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Dude! Rave is missing the boat on that one! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:20:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Loved it. Would have the DVD collection now, if not for a lack of money. Just saw it at the Best Buy near my house. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:36:51 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong did you like Karen Sisco, Martin? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:22:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong rave, those fantastic gams were on display a few times and, to be honest, they couldn't flash them too much. Any more exposure, and menfolk might miss out on a thing or three. Like the rest of the story... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:41:14 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong While Stay Cool, is a decidedly inferior film to Get Shorty, my friends and I have had hours of fun quoting lines from that movie: Don't give me no damn gun! You know what I'm gonna do with it! Stop hatin', start participatin'. Come on, twinkle twinkle, baby, twinkle twinkle. Wanna take a shot at me kid? Do it. We often do the call and response Dabu (head nod) Player! (with attitude) and Vince Vaughn (and Dwayne (the Rock) Johnson's performances are a hoot! And, of course, there is Sin LaSalle's soliloquy: Have you lost your mind? I mean, how is it that you can disrespect a mans ethnicity when you know we've influenced nearly every facet of white America... from our music to our style of dress. Not to mention your basic imitation of our sense of cool; walk, talk, dress, mannerisms... we enrich your very existence, all the while contributing to the gross national product through our achievements in corporate America. It's these conceits that comfort me when I am faced with the ignorant, cowardly, bitter and bigoted, who *have* no talent, no guts? people like you who desecrate things they don't understand when the truth is - you should say thank-you, man? and go on about your way. But apparently you are incapable of doing that! So...[shoots his gun] I HATED Karen Sisco precisely because the gorgeous Carla Gugino elected to play a real female federal agent who in man pants, oversized jackets and caps pulled down on her head was, yes, cool and tough, but, alas, decidedly NOT sexy. What a waste of Gugino's fabulous gams! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Interesting. I haven't seen Jackie Brown yet, but it's on my list. It's one of those where I keep coming halfway into it on cable. I don't think Pam Grier disrobes anymore for movie roles. Speaking of the other films, I never saw Get Shorty, but had the misfortune of seeing Be Cool, which i found really labored and boring. As for other stuff based on Elmore's books, I *loved* Out of Sight, probably one of--if not the best--movies in which Jennifer Lopez has starred. The cool and easygoing direction of Soderbergh meshed well with Lopez and Clooney. And you know what I really loved? The TV series Karen Sisco, based on Out of Sight. Carla Gugino was perfect in that role as a cool, sexy, tough lady. I think that type of role suits her best. Add Danny Devito, Bill Duke, and Robert Forster as her father, and the cast was perfect. It had the mix of danger, fun, and coolness that Burn Notice is often credited for, but did it years earlier. My wife and I loved the series and were really upset when it was canceled. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:43:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong It was not well received. It only did $39 million at the box office (on the other hand, it only cost $12 mil). I first saw it at an art house with a bunch of Taratino fan boys who hated it because it wasn't Pulp Fiction 2. What it is is another Leonard Elmore book to film adaptation, more in line with Get Shorty and Be
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Sounds like a KGB plot to me. Mr. Meinikov better watch his arse! ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: http://www.switched.com/2009/08/19/cell-phone-inexplicably-turns-on-brooklyn-mans-oven?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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Was the Manhattan Project for the A-bomb similar in terms of a town being built around the work being done there? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:58:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius. The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer. No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe
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I'm Strange and I'm Proud From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Augustus Augustus Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:46 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Tasheka, i too am so sorry 2 hear about your father. i promise u will be in my prayers this evening. also, welcome 2 the group! beware of - Tracey and Martin (they are truly strange :-) - just joking Trace and Martin...and you both know it. again, welcome Tasheka. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 4:28 PM Tasheka: Sorry to hear about your dad. I was close to my dad too. -Original Message- From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of tasheka4 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:06 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Martin, Thanks for the welcome! You're the first to do so. I'm just glad to find this group and know that there are other black scifi fans out there. I was beginning to think I was the only one besides my dad who died last year and left me with no one to talk to about Eureka and other scifi shows. None of my friends like it, and believe me I've tried to convert them. The closest they get is to fantasy like True Blood and Twilight (and I like these too), but none like actual scifi which I love. So the discussions I've been reading here have been great! I may not be a frequent poster because I'm in grad school, and as the semester gets going I know I'll be really busy. However, I will chime in with my two cents from time to time. Tasheka --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: Great points, Tasheka! And welcome to the group, if no one else has said so. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: tashe...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:11:42 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts I think the fact that there's not much else on really makes Eureka better this season. I remember that alternate timeline when Carter and Allison were expecting a baby. She was very pregnant. When Nathan died and we find out she's pregnant in this timeline, I thought maybe in that other timeline when she and Carter were together, she could have been pregnant with Nathan's child then too. Perhaps certain portions of that alternate timeline would be the same or similar to the present timeline. But then they brought in Tess, so I'm not sure. Although Allison was looking a little sad when she realized Tess and Carter had gone out on a date and that Tess really liked him. So who knows where they're going with this. Tasheka --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, angelababycat asrobinson@ wrote: I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right now...). But I agree that the Carterison thing was getting old. Besides, didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or something? In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get married, have a baby, etc. So any real romance between them would have to top or be very different than that story. I'm voting for Tess. Angela --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Same here. I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible in the short-term From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
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AhemAHEM... I AM truly strange. I have documentation to prove it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:45:40 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Tasheka, i too am so sorry 2 hear about your father. i promise u will be in my prayers this evening. also, welcome 2 the group! beware of - Tracey and Martin (they are truly strange :-) - just joking Trace and Martin...and you both know it. again, welcome Tasheka. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 4:28 PM Tasheka: Sorry to hear about your dad. I was close to my dad too. -Original Message- From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of tasheka4 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:06 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Martin, Thanks for the welcome! You're the first to do so. I'm just glad to find this group and know that there are other black scifi fans out there. I was beginning to think I was the only one besides my dad who died last year and left me with no one to talk to about Eureka and other scifi shows. None of my friends like it, and believe me I've tried to convert them. The closest they get is to fantasy like True Blood and Twilight (and I like these too), but none like actual scifi which I love. So the discussions I've been reading here have been great! I may not be a frequent poster because I'm in grad school, and as the semester gets going I know I'll be really busy. However, I will chime in with my two cents from time to time. Tasheka --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: Great points, Tasheka! And welcome to the group, if no one else has said so. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: tashe...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:11:42 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts I think the fact that there's not much else on really makes Eureka better this season. I remember that alternate timeline when Carter and Allison were expecting a baby. She was very pregnant. When Nathan died and we find out she's pregnant in this timeline, I thought maybe in that other timeline when she and Carter were together, she could have been pregnant with Nathan's child then too. Perhaps certain portions of that alternate timeline would be the same or similar to the present timeline. But then they brought in Tess, so I'm not sure. Although Allison was looking a little sad when she realized Tess and Carter had gone out on a date and that Tess really liked him. So who knows where they're going with this. Tasheka --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, angelababycat asrobinson@ wrote: I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right now...). But I agree that the Carterison thing was getting old. Besides, didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or something? In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get married, have a baby, etc. So any real romance between them would have to top or be very different than that story. I'm voting for Tess. Angela --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Same here. I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible in the short-term From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of
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That it was, as well as the town where the pilots who trained to deliver the first A-bombs lived. It was done primarily for security reasons. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:13:37 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Was the Manhattan Project for the A-bomb similar in terms of a town being built around the work being done there? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:58:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
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So, Palo Alto needed regular people to get up and running? Now that they've spliced off from the other town, who collects their trash, runs their water treatment, performs pest control services, fixes gas mains, bakes their croissants, etc? Are all those services peformed by people with Masters and Phd's? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:08:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius. The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal
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Isn't he, though? IMO, Karen Sisco is the best of Elmore Leonard's properties brought to the screen. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:11:51 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Dude! Rave is missing the boat on that one! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:20:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Loved it. Would have the DVD collection now, if not for a lack of money. Just saw it at the Best Buy near my house. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:36:51 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong did you like Karen Sisco, Martin? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:22:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong rave, those fantastic gams were on display a few times and, to be honest, they couldn't flash them too much. Any more exposure, and menfolk might miss out on a thing or three. Like the rest of the story... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:41:14 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong While Stay Cool, is a decidedly inferior film to Get Shorty, my friends and I have had hours of fun quoting lines from that movie: Don't give me no damn gun! You know what I'm gonna do with it! Stop hatin', start participatin'. Come on, twinkle twinkle, baby, twinkle twinkle. Wanna take a shot at me kid? Do it. We often do the call and response Dabu (head nod) Player! (with attitude) and Vince Vaughn (and Dwayne (the Rock) Johnson's performances are a hoot! And, of course, there is Sin LaSalle's soliloquy: Have you lost your mind? I mean, how is it that you can disrespect a mans ethnicity when you know we've influenced nearly every facet of white America... from our music to our style of dress. Not to mention your basic imitation of our sense of cool; walk, talk, dress, mannerisms... we enrich your very existence, all the while contributing to the gross national product through our achievements in corporate America. It's these conceits that comfort me when I am faced with the ignorant, cowardly, bitter and bigoted, who *have* no talent, no guts? people like you who desecrate things they don't understand when the truth is - you should say thank-you, man? and go on about your way. But apparently you are incapable of doing that! So...[shoots his gun] I HATED Karen Sisco precisely because the gorgeous Carla Gugino elected to play a real female federal agent who in man pants, oversized jackets and caps pulled down on her head was, yes, cool and tough, but, alas, decidedly NOT sexy. What a waste of Gugino's fabulous gams! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Interesting. I haven't seen Jackie Brown yet, but it's on my list. It's one of those where I keep coming halfway into it on cable. I don't think Pam Grier disrobes anymore for movie roles. Speaking of the other films, I never saw Get Shorty, but had the misfortune of seeing Be Cool, which i found really labored and boring. As for other stuff based on Elmore's books, I *loved* Out of Sight, probably one of--if not the best--movies in which Jennifer Lopez has starred. The cool and easygoing direction of Soderbergh meshed well with Lopez and Clooney. And you know what I really loved? The TV series Karen Sisco, based on Out of Sight. Carla Gugino was perfect in that role as a cool, sexy, tough lady. I think that type of role suits her best. Add Danny Devito, Bill Duke, and Robert Forster as her father, and the cast was perfect. It had the mix of danger, fun, and coolness that Burn Notice is often credited for, but did it years earlier. My wife and I loved the series and were
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Yup and a few other places as well. There's a place in Oregon that built a lot of the materials that went into A-bomb production. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Was the Manhattan Project for the A-bomb similar in terms of a town being built around the work being done there? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:58:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing
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(standing ovation) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:19:41 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts So, Palo Alto needed regular people to get up and running? Now that they've spliced off from the other town, who collects their trash, runs their water treatment, performs pest control services, fixes gas mains, bakes their croissants, etc? Are all those services peformed by people with Masters and Phd's? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:08:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius. The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require
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It could be a hobby for him and not an occupation. Sort of like a volunteer fire department. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: good point Tracey. You summed up perfectly how a show like that must work. Now personally, if I were writing the show, I'd have a lot more normal people in the populace. Indeed, I think the leaning toward so many cliched geeks is what sometimes hampers the writing of the show. Thus, our conversation about Zoe acting less like a self-important geek toward her dad being a preferred treatment of her character. Like you said, in real life the majority of the town would be normal--at least, if it functions as a real town. If it's just some kind of camp or giant campus with houses, that'd be a different matter. I still would like to see some more normals added, or more normalizing storylines for some of the people. I guess that's why I'd really like to see Henry have something else to do. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:27:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor
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If we followed Sam the janitor around that would be called reality tv and would probably be boring. Sam the triple Phd with the desegregation ray would be scifi. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: As I said, I live in such a place. Redmond AKA Microsoft city is such a place and to a lesser degree Bellevue is too.The company is HUGE and dominates everything here. My sister-in-law says its kind of creepy seeing all the Microsoft buses, cars, signs, vans, coffee shops, the mall, the downtown shopping district, townhouses,childcare, apartments, beauty salons, restaurants, etc and people with the ids on car windows everywhere we go. The place has influence or actually runs pretty much everything here. So, I do not really need a history, I live it. All I have to do is step outside the house Perhaps, what we disagree that TV Fiction rarely portrays settings, industries, career specialties, etc. intentionally take out many aspects of realism in them to accommodate the story *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:09 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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They are all looked at more of as the hired help. In university towns that can happen. There are a lot of people that live and work around Harvard that have a liberal arts or English history degree and can't find work! :) But on your topic, the people that have jobs like that may not be able to live in Palo Alto proper. Home prices are pretty steep (almost $1 million) for most of that city. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: So, Palo Alto needed regular people to get up and running? Now that they've spliced off from the other town, who collects their trash, runs their water treatment, performs pest control services, fixes gas mains, bakes their croissants, etc? Are all those services peformed by people with Masters and Phd's? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:08:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of
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So now we know where Joss Whedon got the idea for the Hellmouth... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:27:58 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts As I said, I live in such a place. Redmond AKA Microsoft city is such a place and to a lesser degree Bellevue is too.The company is HUGE and dominates everything here. My sister-in-law says its kind of creepy seeing all the Microsoft buses, cars, signs, vans, coffee shops, the mall, the downtown shopping district, townhouses,childcare, apartments, beauty salons, restaurants, etc and people with the ids on car windows everywhere we go. The place has influence or actually runs pretty much everything here. So, I do not really need a history, I live it. All I have to do is step outside the house Perhaps, what we disagree that TV Fiction rarely portrays settings, industries, career specialties, etc. intentionally take out many aspects of realism in them to accommodate the story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:09 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius. The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not
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As I said, I live in such a place. Redmond AKA Microsoft city is such a place and to a lesser degree Bellevue is too.The company is HUGE and dominates everything here. My sister-in-law says its kind of creepy seeing all the Microsoft buses, cars, signs, vans, coffee shops, the mall, the downtown shopping district, townhouses,childcare, apartments, beauty salons, restaurants, etc and people with the ids on car windows everywhere we go. The place has influence or actually runs pretty much everything here. So, I do not really need a history, I live it. All I have to do is step outside the house Perhaps, what we disagree that TV Fiction rarely portrays settings, industries, career specialties, etc. intentionally take out many aspects of realism in them to accommodate the story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:09 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services
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Agreed. But that's us thinking real-world. Something that H'Wood hasn't even a passing notion of... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:44:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] This is scary! Cellphone takes over man's stove The thing that bugged me about the Terminator was its vast misuse of resources. If it really wanted to kill humanity it could have just engineered a virus. A computer virus would have disabled communication followed by a biological virus and it could have wiped out everyone... On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: And, when the Terminator franchise comes to vivid reality... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:31:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] This is scary! Cellphone takes over man's stove As things become more web enabled they start running the danger of a virus. What if his cellphone gave his stove a virus? I know its not possible right now but soon...very soon... We already have web enabled stoves and refrigerators. All it takes is some kid on summer vacation to play around with it. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Now, if we were to install Magic Chef ovens in teenagers' cars, texting-while-driving would become a thing of the past. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:22:18 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] This is scary! Cellphone takes over man's stove http://www.switched.com/2009/08/19/cell-phone-inexplicably-turns-on-brooklyn-mans-oven?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try BingT now. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. Click here. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009
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You are welcome. My condolences to you on your loss, and please chime in more often than from time to time. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tashe...@netzero.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:06:18 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Martin, Thanks for the welcome! You're the first to do so. I'm just glad to find this group and know that there are other black scifi fans out there. I was beginning to think I was the only one besides my dad who died last year and left me with no one to talk to about Eureka and other scifi shows. None of my friends like it, and believe me I've tried to convert them. The closest they get is to fantasy like True Blood and Twilight (and I like these too), but none like actual scifi which I love. So the discussions I've been reading here have been great! I may not be a frequent poster because I'm in grad school, and as the semester gets going I know I'll be really busy. However, I will chime in with my two cents from time to time. Tasheka --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Great points, Tasheka! And welcome to the group, if no one else has said so. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tashe...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:11:42 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts I think the fact that there's not much else on really makes Eureka better this season. I remember that alternate timeline when Carter and Allison were expecting a baby. She was very pregnant. When Nathan died and we find out she's pregnant in this timeline, I thought maybe in that other timeline when she and Carter were together, she could have been pregnant with Nathan's child then too. Perhaps certain portions of that alternate timeline would be the same or similar to the present timeline. But then they brought in Tess, so I'm not sure. Although Allison was looking a little sad when she realized Tess and Carter had gone out on a date and that Tess really liked him. So who knows where they're going with this. Tasheka --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, angelababycat asrobinson@ wrote: I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right now...). But I agree that the Carterison thing was getting old. Besides, didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or something? In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get married, have a baby, etc. So any real romance between them would have to top or be very different than that story. I'm voting for Tess. Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Same here. I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible in the short-term From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdlists@ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it
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Tasheka, Welcome! I just noticed your name in the list today. Did you do one of those introduction e-mails that the group has newcomers fill out? I think you'll enjoy this group. Tracey started it years ago, and, along with streaming the Tom Joyner Morning Show every morning and having an iPod for when I work in the yard, it's one of the things that has helped me make it in life. It is so great to discuss scifi, fantasy, comics, animation, politics, etc., with people who don't shout or criticize, who aren't racist or juvenile, who actually want to *share* information. I am amazed you made it this long without a group of likeminded scifi fans to discuss things with. As a black man growing up in the '70s, being a scifi fan was sometimes hard. Stuff lke The Six Million Dollar man was universally loved, but sometimes the more specific scifi like Star Trek wasn't always appreciated by other blacks. But, between my brothers and close friends, I always had a circle of fellow fans. But this list is the first time I have so many people of color and whites in one place who have such a wide range of interests. There are vampire fanatics, zombie lovers, people who think B5 rules (i'm one!), some who think Transformers is a juvenile movie franchise, others who say get over yourself and just enjoy it. There are lovers of comics, inveterate readers of novels, TV junkies, folks who love podcasts, gamers, those of us who love going to the movies--you name it it's here. I really think you'll have fun. And, as one of the most prolific and long-winded participants in the group, I can guarantee you'll never find it lacking for new input! :) As for your dad, i'm sorry to hear that. My dad was old school, loved shoot 'em ups and Hee Haw and Three Stooges. I miss him every day, since his death back in '01. Lost my mother two years ago, and my wife lost her mother three years ago. So I can relate, and have leaned on this group to help get me through those hard times. Welcome home to your new home. keith - Original Message - From: tasheka4 tashe...@netzero.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:06:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Martin, Thanks for the welcome! You're the first to do so. I'm just glad to find this group and know that there are other black scifi fans out there. I was beginning to think I was the only one besides my dad who died last year and left me with no one to talk to about Eureka and other scifi shows. None of my friends like it, and believe me I've tried to convert them. The closest they get is to fantasy like True Blood and Twilight (and I like these too), but none like actual scifi which I love. So the discussions I've been reading here have been great! I may not be a frequent poster because I'm in grad school, and as the semester gets going I know I'll be really busy. However, I will chime in with my two cents from time to time. Tasheka --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Great points, Tasheka! And welcome to the group, if no one else has said so. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tashe...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:11:42 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts I think the fact that there's not much else on really makes Eureka better this season. I remember that alternate timeline when Carter and Allison were expecting a baby. She was very pregnant. When Nathan died and we find out she's pregnant in this timeline, I thought maybe in that other timeline when she and Carter were together, she could have been pregnant with Nathan's child then too. Perhaps certain portions of that alternate timeline would be the same or similar to the present timeline. But then they brought in Tess, so I'm not sure. Although Allison was looking a little sad when she realized Tess and Carter had gone out on a date and that Tess really liked him. So who knows where they're going with this. Tasheka --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , angelababycat asrobinson@ wrote: I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right now...). But I agree that the Carterison thing was getting old. Besides, didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or something? In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get married, have a baby, etc. So any real romance between them would have to top or be very different than that story. I'm
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not to sound like a sycophant, but damn you come up with good one-liners! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:29:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts So now we know where Joss Whedon got the idea for the Hellmouth... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:27:58 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts As I said, I live in such a place. Redmond AKA Microsoft city is such a place and to a lesser degree Bellevue is too. The company is HUGE and dominates everything here. My sister-in-law says its kind of creepy seeing all the Microsoft buses, cars, signs, vans, coffee shops, the mall, the downtown shopping district, townhouses,childcare, apartments, beauty salons, restaurants, etc and people with the ids on car windows everywhere we go. The place has influence or actually runs pretty much everything here. So, I do not really need a history, I live it. All I have to do is step outside the house Perhaps, what we disagree that TV Fiction rarely portrays settings, industries, career specialties, etc. intentionally take out many aspects of realism in them to accommodate the story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:09 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s
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wow, i don't think I realized Redmond was like that! Do you walk down the streets thinking you're seeing Stepford Wives, or just geeks on every corner? What's the political leaning of the town in the main? How about the racial breakdown? Does it ultimately feel to you like a real town, or, like your sister-in-law, do you feel something a little off about it? You know, if you expand past high tech ventures and Eureka towns, the company town is actually a huge part of American history, especially since the Industrial Revolution. Stanley dominated the town around it, I used to co-op with Dow Chemical, which dominates Brazoria County, Texas (it had 10,000 of the locals as employees at its heyday). And of course so many towns and cities in the Rust Belt were company towns with a huge percentage of the populace working for one or two companies. So on that level, our conversation isn't that unusual. It's just the shift toward a discussion of high tech towns that's new. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:27:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts As I said, I live in such a place. Redmond AKA Microsoft city is such a place and to a lesser degree Bellevue is too. The company is HUGE and dominates everything here. My sister-in-law says its kind of creepy seeing all the Microsoft buses, cars, signs, vans, coffee shops, the mall, the downtown shopping district, townhouses,childcare, apartments, beauty salons, restaurants, etc and people with the ids on car windows everywhere we go. The place has influence or actually runs pretty much everything here. So, I do not really need a history, I live it. All I have to do is step outside the house Perhaps, what we disagree that TV Fiction rarely portrays settings, industries, career specialties, etc. intentionally take out many aspects of realism in them to accommodate the story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:09 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the
Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton
Hey what gives? No other love for Joe Morton? Surely I can't the only one who's seen The Brother from Another Planet, or who likes John Sayles?? :( - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:41:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton I can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to Eureka. Morton's one of those actors with a face and bearing you just trust and respect. He can play a likeable guy, a strong leader, a tortured and confused soul. I have followed him for years, whether it's been great turns in John Sayles flicks--and it's saying a lot that Morton is a fav of Sayles'--having the lead in the shortlived TV series Under One Roof, playing a memorable role as a former boxer turned transvestite on New York Undercover, or even his guest stint as Whitley's love interest on A Different World. Even his bit in Terminator 2 is memorable. The anguish he feels at what his work has caused for the future is palpable, and I hated to see the character die. It's a crime that Morton hasn't gotten the major roles and respect he deserves. He's done a lot of stuff, but never got to that A-list on TV or film. And while I'm really happy to see him get steady work on Eureka, and like the steadiness his character brings to that world, I keep hoping to see him get some meatier roles. That's especially true as long as the showrunners seem hesitant to give him a real life. Like I said, he's mayor now, but that angle's not explored, and I really dislike them killing off Kim--twice. And for those of you young 'un's who don't understand my praise of Morton, do yourself a favor and look up his great performances in the movie City of Hope (a John Sayles joint), the shortlived but well done TV series Tribeca (which co-starred Carl Lumbly and Lawrence Fishburne), and especially, the classic Sayles' film The Brother From Another Planet. That last, in which Morton plays an alien slave on the run, is an amazing performance given that he speaks not a word, and must convey everything with just his facial expressions and body language. I wonder if the Eureka showrunners really understand what a great asset they have in Morton...? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's one of the most underrated and underused actors working). But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this season--i keep seeing types in all the characters, main stars and guests. They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the characterizations just a bit... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again.
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It’s funny we are talking about this. We are thinking about leaving the Microsoft are and moving to the Bay Area. I was asking a business associate about some neighborhoods and she pointed out all these Microsoft like towns like Palo Alto. I find these places a little off-putting, cut off from culture and ironically people. They work hard to make them inviting and do a good job to a point. But I guess I’m just a city gal. Anyway, can’t wait to live in the city again. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:20 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts So, Palo Alto needed regular people to get up and running? Now that they've spliced off from the other town, who collects their trash, runs their water treatment, performs pest control services, fixes gas mains, bakes their croissants, etc? Are all those services peformed by people with Masters and Phd's? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:08:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To:
[scifinoir2] Karen Sisko (was: Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong)
Believe me, my love for Carla Gugino is only exceeded by my love for Halle Berry, Rosario Dawson and porn star Jasmine Cashmere (all of whom I will watch in ANYTHING). I wanted to love Karen Sisko, I really did! I DVRed it and everything! I was rooting for Gugino. I was rooting for Robert Forster. Heck, I was rooting for Danny DeVito's production company. But I found it slow, plodding and, finally, unwatchable. It had none of the nerve and verve of Out of Sight, which was primo, and, more importantly none of the chemistry George Clooney and Jennifer Lopez brought to the movie. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Dude! Rave is missing the boat on that one! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:20:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Loved it. Would have the DVD collection now, if not for a lack of money. Just saw it at the Best Buy near my house. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:36:51 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong did you like Karen Sisco, Martin? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:22:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong rave, those fantastic gams were on display a few times and, to be honest, they couldn't flash them too much. Any more exposure, and menfolk might miss out on a thing or three. Like the rest of the story... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:41:14 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong While Stay Cool, is a decidedly inferior film to Get Shorty, my friends and I have had hours of fun quoting lines from that movie: Don't give me no damn gun! You know what I'm gonna do with it! Stop hatin', start participatin'. Come on, twinkle twinkle, baby, twinkle twinkle. Wanna take a shot at me kid? Do it. We often do the call and response Dabu (head nod) Player! (with attitude) and Vince Vaughn (and Dwayne (the Rock) Johnson's performances are a hoot! And, of course, there is Sin LaSalle's soliloquy: Have you lost your mind? I mean, how is it that you can disrespect a mans ethnicity when you know we've influenced nearly every facet of white America... from our music to our style of dress. Not to mention your basic imitation of our sense of cool; walk, talk, dress, mannerisms... we enrich your very existence, all the while contributing to the gross national product through our achievements in corporate America. It's these conceits that comfort me when I am faced with the ignorant, cowardly, bitter and bigoted, who *have* no talent, no guts? people like you who desecrate things they don't understand when the truth is - you should say thank-you, man? and go on about your way. But apparently you are incapable of doing that! So...[shoots his gun] I HATED Karen Sisco precisely because the gorgeous Carla Gugino elected to play a real female federal agent who in man pants, oversized jackets and caps pulled down on her head was, yes, cool and tough, but, alas, decidedly NOT sexy. What a waste of Gugino's fabulous gams! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Interesting. I haven't seen Jackie Brown yet, but it's on my list. It's one of those where I keep coming halfway into it on cable. I don't think Pam Grier disrobes anymore for movie roles. Speaking of the other films, I never saw Get Shorty, but had the misfortune of seeing Be Cool, which i found really labored and boring. As for other stuff based on Elmore's books, I *loved* Out of Sight, probably one of--if not the best--movies in which Jennifer Lopez has starred. The cool and easygoing direction of Soderbergh meshed well with Lopez and Clooney. And you know what I really loved? The TV series Karen Sisco, based on Out of Sight. Carla Gugino was perfect in that role as a cool, sexy, tough lady. I think that type of role suits her best. Add Danny Devito, Bill Duke, and Robert Forster as her father, and the cast was perfect. It had the mix
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts
Tracey, and i am proud 2 know u! Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:13 PM I’m Strange and I’m Proud From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Augustus Augustus Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:46 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Tasheka, i too am so sorry 2 hear about your father. i promise u will be in my prayers this evening. also, welcome 2 the group! beware of - Tracey and Martin (they are truly strange :-) - just joking Trace and Martin.. . . . . .and you both know it. again, welcome Tasheka. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 4:28 PM Tasheka: Sorry to hear about your dad. I was close to my dad too. -Original Message- From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of tasheka4 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:06 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Martin, Thanks for the welcome! You're the first to do so. I'm just glad to find this group and know that there are other black scifi fans out there. I was beginning to think I was the only one besides my dad who died last year and left me with no one to talk to about Eureka and other scifi shows. None of my friends like it, and believe me I've tried to convert them. The closest they get is to fantasy like True Blood and Twilight (and I like these too), but none like actual scifi which I love. So the discussions I've been reading here have been great! I may not be a frequent poster because I'm in grad school, and as the semester gets going I know I'll be really busy. However, I will chime in with my two cents from time to time. Tasheka --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: Great points, Tasheka! And welcome to the group, if no one else has said so. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: tashe...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:11:42 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts I think the fact that there's not much else on really makes Eureka better this season. I remember that alternate timeline when Carter and Allison were expecting a baby. She was very pregnant. When Nathan died and we find out she's pregnant in this timeline, I thought maybe in that other timeline when she and Carter were together, she could have been pregnant with Nathan's child then too. Perhaps certain portions of that alternate timeline would be the same or similar to the present timeline. But then they brought in Tess, so I'm not sure. Although Allison was looking a little sad when she realized Tess and Carter had gone out on a date and that Tess really liked him. So who knows where they're going with this. Tasheka --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, angelababycat asrobinson@ wrote: I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right now...). But I agree that the Carterison thing was getting old. Besides, didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or something? In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get married, have a baby, etc. So any real romance between them would have to top or be very different than that story. I'm voting for Tess. Angela --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Same here. I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible
Re: [scifinoir2] Karen Sisko (was: Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong)
Rave, Marie Luv and Roxy Reynolds 4 me! Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Karen Sisko (was: Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong) To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:55 PM Believe me, my love for Carla Gugino is only exceeded by my love for Halle Berry, Rosario Dawson and porn star Jasmine Cashmere (all of whom I will watch in ANYTHING ). I wanted to love Karen Sisko, I really did! I DVRed it and everything! I was rooting for Gugino. I was rooting for Robert Forster. Heck, I was rooting for Danny DeVito's production company. But I found it slow, plodding and, finally, unwatchable. It had none of the nerve and verve of Out of Sight, which was primo, and, more importantly none of the chemistry George Clooney and Jennifer Lopez brought to the movie. ~(no)rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Dude! Rave is missing the boat on that one! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:20:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Loved it. Would have the DVD collection now, if not for a lack of money. Just saw it at the Best Buy near my house. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ ... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:36:51 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong did you like Karen Sisco, Martin? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:22:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong rave, those fantastic gams were on display a few times and, to be honest, they couldn't flash them too much. Any more exposure, and menfolk might miss out on a thing or three. Like the rest of the story... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: ravena...@.. . Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:41:14 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong While Stay Cool, is a decidedly inferior film to Get Shorty, my friends and I have had hours of fun quoting lines from that movie: Don't give me no damn gun! You know what I'm gonna do with it! Stop hatin', start participatin' . Come on, twinkle twinkle, baby, twinkle twinkle. Wanna take a shot at me kid? Do it. We often do the call and response Dabu (head nod) Player! (with attitude) and Vince Vaughn (and Dwayne (the Rock) Johnson's performances are a hoot! And, of course, there is Sin LaSalle's soliloquy: Have you lost your mind? I mean, how is it that you can disrespect a mans ethnicity when you know we've influenced nearly every facet of white America... from our music to our style of dress. Not to mention your basic imitation of our sense of cool; walk, talk, dress, mannerisms.. . we enrich your very existence, all the while contributing to the gross national product through our achievements in corporate America. It's these conceits that comfort me when I am faced with the ignorant, cowardly, bitter and bigoted, who *have* no talent, no guts? people like you who desecrate things they don't understand when the truth is - you should say thank-you, man? and go on about your way. But apparently you are incapable of doing that! So...[shoots his gun] I HATED Karen Sisco precisely because the gorgeous Carla Gugino elected to play a real female federal agent who in man pants, oversized jackets and caps pulled down on her head was, yes, cool and tough, but, alas, decidedly NOT sexy. What a waste of Gugino's fabulous gams! ~(no)rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Interesting. I haven't seen Jackie Brown yet, but it's on my list. It's one of those where I keep coming halfway into it on cable. I don't think Pam Grier disrobes anymore for movie roles. Speaking of the other films, I never saw Get Shorty, but had the misfortune of seeing Be Cool, which i found really labored and boring. As for other stuff based on Elmore's books, I *loved* Out of Sight, probably one of--if not
RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton
I had the same fear. He had me at Brother From another Planet From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Augustus Augustus Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:03 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton Keith, i totally agree with u. in the ep where i thought they were going 2 write off his character (for either jail or making him leave eureka) i was ready 2 watch it. but they didnot and i am still a fan! he is absolutely GREAT in the role. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:41 PM Hey what gives? No other love for Joe Morton? Surely I can't the only one who's seen The Brother from Another Planet, or who likes John Sayles?? :( - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:41:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton I can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to Eureka. Morton's one of those actors with a face and bearing you just trust and respect. He can play a likeable guy, a strong leader, a tortured and confused soul. I have followed him for years, whether it's been great turns in John Sayles flicks--and it's saying a lot that Morton is a fav of Sayles'--having the lead in the shortlived TV series Under One Roof, playing a memorable role as a former boxer turned transvestite on New York Undercover, or even his guest stint as Whitley's love interest on A Different World. Even his bit in Terminator 2 is memorable. The anguish he feels at what his work has caused for the future is palpable, and I hated to see the character die. It's a crime that Morton hasn't gotten the major roles and respect he deserves. He's done a lot of stuff, but never got to that A-list on TV or film. And while I'm really happy to see him get steady work on Eureka, and like the steadiness his character brings to that world, I keep hoping to see him get some meatier roles. That's especially true as long as the showrunners seem hesitant to give him a real life. Like I said, he's mayor now, but that angle's not explored, and I really dislike them killing off Kim--twice. And for those of you young 'un's who don't understand my praise of Morton, do yourself a favor and look up his great performances in the movie City of Hope (a John Sayles joint), the shortlived but well done TV series Tribeca (which co-starred Carl Lumbly and Lawrence Fishburne), and especially, the classic Sayles' film The Brother From Another Planet. That last, in which Morton plays an alien slave on the run, is an amazing performance given that he speaks not a word, and must convey everything with just his facial expressions and body language. I wonder if the Eureka showrunners really understand what a great asset they have in Morton...? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's one of the most underrated and underused actors working). But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this season--i keep seeing types in all the characters, main stars and guests. They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the characterizations just a bit... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the
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Re: [scifinoir2] Karen Sisko (was: Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong)
I don't know from the pornstar. I love Rosario Dawson, but am not as hormonally fired up by her as the rest of you guys. Halle Berry is not bad, but she's another who's loin-exciting abilities i've never gotten. I just don't find her to be smokin' hot. But Gugino, man she has it in spades! I still enjoyed Karen Sisco, and think it would have gotten better with time. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:55:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Karen Sisko (was: Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong) Believe me, my love for Carla Gugino is only exceeded by my love for Halle Berry, Rosario Dawson and porn star Jasmine Cashmere (all of whom I will watch in ANYTHING). I wanted to love Karen Sisko, I really did! I DVRed it and everything! I was rooting for Gugino. I was rooting for Robert Forster. Heck, I was rooting for Danny DeVito's production company. But I found it slow, plodding and, finally, unwatchable. It had none of the nerve and verve of Out of Sight, which was primo, and, more importantly none of the chemistry George Clooney and Jennifer Lopez brought to the movie. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Dude! Rave is missing the boat on that one! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:20:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Loved it. Would have the DVD collection now, if not for a lack of money. Just saw it at the Best Buy near my house. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:36:51 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong did you like Karen Sisco, Martin? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:22:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong rave, those fantastic gams were on display a few times and, to be honest, they couldn't flash them too much. Any more exposure, and menfolk might miss out on a thing or three. Like the rest of the story... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:41:14 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong While Stay Cool, is a decidedly inferior film to Get Shorty, my friends and I have had hours of fun quoting lines from that movie: Don't give me no damn gun! You know what I'm gonna do with it! Stop hatin', start participatin'. Come on, twinkle twinkle, baby, twinkle twinkle. Wanna take a shot at me kid? Do it. We often do the call and response Dabu (head nod) Player! (with attitude) and Vince Vaughn (and Dwayne (the Rock) Johnson's performances are a hoot! And, of course, there is Sin LaSalle's soliloquy: Have you lost your mind? I mean, how is it that you can disrespect a mans ethnicity when you know we've influenced nearly every facet of white America... from our music to our style of dress. Not to mention your basic imitation of our sense of cool; walk, talk, dress, mannerisms... we enrich your very existence, all the while contributing to the gross national product through our achievements in corporate America. It's these conceits that comfort me when I am faced with the ignorant, cowardly, bitter and bigoted, who *have* no talent, no guts? people like you who desecrate things they don't understand when the truth is - you should say thank-you, man? and go on about your way. But apparently you are incapable of doing that! So...[shoots his gun] I HATED Karen Sisco precisely because the gorgeous Carla Gugino elected to play a real female federal agent who in man pants, oversized jackets and caps pulled down on her head was, yes, cool and tough, but, alas, decidedly NOT sexy. What a waste of Gugino's fabulous gams! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Interesting. I haven't seen Jackie Brown yet, but it's on my list. It's one of those where I keep coming halfway into it on cable. I don't think Pam Grier disrobes anymore for movie roles. Speaking of the other films, I never
Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton
agreed! - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:02:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton Keith, i totally agree with u. in the ep where i thought they were going 2 write off his character (for either jail or making him leave eureka) i was ready 2 watch it. but they didnot and i am still a fan! he is absolutely GREAT in the role. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:41 PM Hey what gives? No other love for Joe Morton? Surely I can't the only one who's seen The Brother from Another Planet, or who likes John Sayles?? :( - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:41:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton I can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to Eureka. Morton's one of those actors with a face and bearing you just trust and respect. He can play a likeable guy, a strong leader, a tortured and confused soul. I have followed him for years, whether it's been great turns in John Sayles flicks--and it's saying a lot that Morton is a fav of Sayles'--having the lead in the shortlived TV series Under One Roof, playing a memorable role as a former boxer turned transvestite on New York Undercover, or even his guest stint as Whitley's love interest on A Different World. Even his bit in Terminator 2 is memorable. The anguish he feels at what his work has caused for the future is palpable, and I hated to see the character die. It's a crime that Morton hasn't gotten the major roles and respect he deserves. He's done a lot of stuff, but never got to that A-list on TV or film. And while I'm really happy to see him get steady work on Eureka, and like the steadiness his character brings to that world, I keep hoping to see him get some meatier roles. That's especially true as long as the showrunners seem hesitant to give him a real life. Like I said, he's mayor now, but that angle's not explored, and I really dislike them killing off Kim--twice. And for those of you young 'un's who don't understand my praise of Morton, do yourself a favor and look up his great performances in the movie City of Hope (a John Sayles joint), the shortlived but well done TV series Tribeca (which co-starred Carl Lumbly and Lawrence Fishburne), and especially, the classic Sayles' film The Brother From Another Planet. That last, in which Morton plays an alien slave on the run, is an amazing performance given that he speaks not a word, and must convey everything with just his facial expressions and body language. I wonder if the Eureka showrunners really understand what a great asset they have in Morton...? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's one of the most underrated and underused actors working). But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this season--i keep seeing types in all the characters, main stars and guests. They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the characterizations just a bit... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess
Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton
amen! In fact, I'm gonna find that movie this weekend and check it out again! I'm a big John Sayles fan anyway. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:17:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton I had the same fear. He had me at Brother From another Planet From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Augustus Augustus Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:03 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton Keith, i totally agree with u. in the ep where i thought they were going 2 write off his character (for either jail or making him leave eureka) i was ready 2 watch it. but they didnot and i am still a fan! he is absolutely GREAT in the role. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:41 PM Hey what gives? No other love for Joe Morton? Surely I can't the only one who's seen The Brother from Another Planet, or who likes John Sayles?? :( - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:41:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton I can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to Eureka. Morton's one of those actors with a face and bearing you just trust and respect. He can play a likeable guy, a strong leader, a tortured and confused soul. I have followed him for years, whether it's been great turns in John Sayles flicks--and it's saying a lot that Morton is a fav of Sayles'--having the lead in the shortlived TV series Under One Roof, playing a memorable role as a former boxer turned transvestite on New York Undercover, or even his guest stint as Whitley's love interest on A Different World. Even his bit in Terminator 2 is memorable. The anguish he feels at what his work has caused for the future is palpable, and I hated to see the character die. It's a crime that Morton hasn't gotten the major roles and respect he deserves. He's done a lot of stuff, but never got to that A-list on TV or film. And while I'm really happy to see him get steady work on Eureka, and like the steadiness his character brings to that world, I keep hoping to see him get some meatier roles. That's especially true as long as the showrunners seem hesitant to give him a real life. Like I said, he's mayor now, but that angle's not explored, and I really dislike them killing off Kim--twice. And for those of you young 'un's who don't understand my praise of Morton, do yourself a favor and look up his great performances in the movie City of Hope (a John Sayles joint), the shortlived but well done TV series Tribeca (which co-starred Carl Lumbly and Lawrence Fishburne), and especially, the classic Sayles' film The Brother From Another Planet. That last, in which Morton plays an alien slave on the run, is an amazing performance given that he speaks not a word, and must convey everything with just his facial expressions and body language. I wonder if the Eureka showrunners really understand what a great asset they have in Morton...? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's one of the most underrated and underused actors working). But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this season--i keep seeing types in all the characters, main stars and guests. They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it
[scifinoir2] Halle Berry, She's Fine (was:Karen Sisko (was: Re: Basterds Take Box Office
Don't get Halle Berry? Somebody wrote a song about it. Want to hear it? Here it go! http://uxite.notlong.com http://ahfuthie.notlong.com --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I don't know from the pornstar. I love Rosario Dawson, but am not as hormonally fired up by her as the rest of you guys. Halle Berry is not bad, but she's another who's loin-exciting abilities i've never gotten. I just don't find her to be smokin' hot. But Gugino, man she has it in spades! I still enjoyed Karen Sisco, and think it would have gotten better with time. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:55:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Karen Sisko (was: Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong) Believe me, my love for Carla Gugino is only exceeded by my love for Halle Berry, Rosario Dawson and porn star Jasmine Cashmere (all of whom I will watch in ANYTHING). I wanted to love Karen Sisko, I really did! I DVRed it and everything! I was rooting for Gugino. I was rooting for Robert Forster. Heck, I was rooting for Danny DeVito's production company. But I found it slow, plodding and, finally, unwatchable. It had none of the nerve and verve of Out of Sight, which was primo, and, more importantly none of the chemistry George Clooney and Jennifer Lopez brought to the movie. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Dude! Rave is missing the boat on that one! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:20:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Loved it. Would have the DVD collection now, if not for a lack of money. Just saw it at the Best Buy near my house. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:36:51 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong did you like Karen Sisco, Martin? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:22:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong rave, those fantastic gams were on display a few times and, to be honest, they couldn't flash them too much. Any more exposure, and menfolk might miss out on a thing or three. Like the rest of the story... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravenadal@ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:41:14 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong While Stay Cool, is a decidedly inferior film to Get Shorty, my friends and I have had hours of fun quoting lines from that movie: Don't give me no damn gun! You know what I'm gonna do with it! Stop hatin', start participatin'. Come on, twinkle twinkle, baby, twinkle twinkle. Wanna take a shot at me kid? Do it. We often do the call and response Dabu (head nod) Player! (with attitude) and Vince Vaughn (and Dwayne (the Rock) Johnson's performances are a hoot! And, of course, there is Sin LaSalle's soliloquy: Have you lost your mind? I mean, how is it that you can disrespect a mans ethnicity when you know we've influenced nearly every facet of white America... from our music to our style of dress. Not to mention your basic imitation of our sense of cool; walk, talk, dress, mannerisms... we enrich your very existence, all the while contributing to the gross national product through our achievements in corporate America. It's these conceits that comfort me when I am faced with the ignorant, cowardly, bitter and bigoted, who *have* no talent, no guts? people like you who desecrate things they don't understand when the truth is - you should say thank-you, man? and go on about your way. But apparently you are incapable of doing that! So...[shoots his gun] I HATED Karen Sisco precisely because the gorgeous Carla Gugino elected to play a real female federal agent who in man pants, oversized jackets and caps pulled down on her head was, yes, cool and tough, but, alas, decidedly NOT sexy. What a waste of Gugino's fabulous
[scifinoir2] Being Human - Annie's boyfriend
I was fascinated by Annie's boyfriend's reaction to her giving him a full ghosting. At first terrified, once he realizes it is just Annie he reverts right back to smarmy exploitation mode, mining her insecurities and making her feel small. As Alonzo Harris from Training Day would say: This boy has mad squabbles! ~rave!
[scifinoir2] Karen Sisko (was: Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong)
pssst Fate...ixnay on the Marie Luv and Roxy Reynoldsay! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: Rave, Marie Luv and Roxy Reynolds 4 me! Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: From: ravenadal ravena...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] Karen Sisko (was: Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong) To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:55 PM Â Believe me, my love for Carla Gugino is only exceeded by my love for Halle Berry, Rosario Dawson and porn star Jasmine Cashmere (all of whom I will watch in ANYTHING ). I wanted to love Karen Sisko, I really did! I DVRed it and everything! I was rooting for Gugino. I was rooting for Robert Forster. Heck, I was rooting for Danny DeVito's production company. But I found it slow, plodding and, finally, unwatchable. It had none of the nerve and verve of Out of Sight, which was primo, and, more importantly none of the chemistry George Clooney and Jennifer Lopez brought to the movie. ~(no)rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Dude! Rave is missing the boat on that one! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:20:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Loved it. Would have the DVD collection now, if not for a lack of money. Just saw it at the Best Buy near my house. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ ... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:36:51 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong did you like Karen Sisco, Martin? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:22:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong rave, those fantastic gams were on display a few times and, to be honest, they couldn't flash them too much. Any more exposure, and menfolk might miss out on a thing or three. Like the rest of the story... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: ravenadal@ . Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:41:14 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong While Stay Cool, is a decidedly inferior film to Get Shorty, my friends and I have had hours of fun quoting lines from that movie: Don't give me no damn gun! You know what I'm gonna do with it! Stop hatin', start participatin' . Come on, twinkle twinkle, baby, twinkle twinkle. Wanna take a shot at me kid? Do it. We often do the call and response Dabu (head nod) Player! (with attitude) and Vince Vaughn (and Dwayne (the Rock) Johnson's performances are a hoot! And, of course, there is Sin LaSalle's soliloquy: Have you lost your mind? I mean, how is it that you can disrespect a mans ethnicity when you know we've influenced nearly every facet of white America... from our music to our style of dress. Not to mention your basic imitation of our sense of cool; walk, talk, dress, mannerisms.. . we enrich your very existence, all the while contributing to the gross national product through our achievements in corporate America. It's these conceits that comfort me when I am faced with the ignorant, cowardly, bitter and bigoted, who *have* no talent, no guts? people like you who desecrate things they don't understand when the truth is - you should say thank-you, man? and go on about your way. But apparently you are incapable of doing that! So...[shoots his gun] I HATED Karen Sisco precisely because the gorgeous Carla Gugino elected to play a real female federal agent who in man pants, oversized jackets and caps pulled down on her head was, yes, cool and tough, but, alas, decidedly NOT sexy. What a waste of Gugino's fabulous gams! ~(no)rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Interesting. I haven't seen Jackie Brown yet, but it's on my list. It's one of
RE: [scifinoir2] Being Human - Annie's boyfriend
Yeah, but she should have said nothing or had a poltergeist fit. Her I am death performance was hilarious. She was too adorable. Then again. He's a nasty SOB -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:17 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Being Human - Annie's boyfriend I was fascinated by Annie's boyfriend's reaction to her giving him a full ghosting. At first terrified, once he realizes it is just Annie he reverts right back to smarmy exploitation mode, mining her insecurities and making her feel small. As Alonzo Harris from Training Day would say: This boy has mad squabbles! ~rave! Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links
Re: [scifinoir2] Being Human - Annie's boyfriend
Agreed. Wonder what she said to him at the end, though? - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:17:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Being Human - Annie's boyfriend I was fascinated by Annie's boyfriend's reaction to her giving him a full ghosting. At first terrified, once he realizes it is just Annie he reverts right back to smarmy exploitation mode, mining her insecurities and making her feel small. As Alonzo Harris from Training Day would say: This boy has mad squabbles! ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry, She's Fine (was:Karen Sisko (was: Re: Basterds Take Box Office
Funny! I have nothing against her at all. I'd have to say she's pretty, she just doesn't give me that wow! factor when I look at her. While we're at it, yes, the following women would also be on my list of Don't pant and salivate like many other people : Gina Torres - she's tough and attractive as heck, though Rosario Dawson (love her, but just don't see the wild physical attraction) The Sister on Warehouse 13 Naomi Campbell (although her attitude has turned off most men) Eva Mendes (really don't get that one) Nichele Nichols (nice gams, though, and boy did she work that costume in Mirror, Mirror! Angelina Jolie - She can look alluring, like a cat, at the right times, but mostly is too gaunt and strained looking for me Jeri Ryan - Seven certainly filled out the outer space catsuit, but so could a lot of women People that did literally make me breathless when I first beheld them, and continue to turn me into a drooling idiot : Gabrielle Union (looks like a living doll, I find it hard to pull my eyes from her face) Charisma Carpenter - one of many reasons I started watching Angel Sanaa Lathan - Those soulful, vulnerable looking eyes, and those lips, I'd watch her sell Stride gum! Nia Long (something about her in Love Jones) Kenya Moore - first saw her on Arsenio Hall wearing a tight red dress with a slit up the side. Arsenio could literally barely speak, and I was wondering Why the hell didn't I watch the Miss USA pageant?!. Catherine Zeta-Jones - I just kept staring at her in Zorro, those long brunette locks, that pert nose, the eyes--wow Roselyn Sanchez - tough and sexy, with a throaty voice and accent that just make me melt Selma Hayek - curves in all the right places, and that voice! I'm not into food and foreplay, but seeing her slowly and lovingly stir a pot of some brew she'd cooked up on Keenan Ivory Wayans' talk show had me all but licking the screen! - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:54:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry, She's Fine (was:Karen Sisko (was: Re: Basterds Take Box Office Don't get Halle Berry? Somebody wrote a song about it. Want to hear it? Here it go! http://uxite.notlong.com http://ahfuthie.notlong.com --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I don't know from the pornstar. I love Rosario Dawson, but am not as hormonally fired up by her as the rest of you guys. Halle Berry is not bad, but she's another who's loin-exciting abilities i've never gotten. I just don't find her to be smokin' hot. But Gugino, man she has it in spades! I still enjoyed Karen Sisco, and think it would have gotten better with time. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:55:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Karen Sisko (was: Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong) Believe me, my love for Carla Gugino is only exceeded by my love for Halle Berry, Rosario Dawson and porn star Jasmine Cashmere (all of whom I will watch in ANYTHING). I wanted to love Karen Sisko, I really did! I DVRed it and everything! I was rooting for Gugino. I was rooting for Robert Forster. Heck, I was rooting for Danny DeVito's production company. But I found it slow, plodding and, finally, unwatchable. It had none of the nerve and verve of Out of Sight, which was primo, and, more importantly none of the chemistry George Clooney and Jennifer Lopez brought to the movie. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Dude! Rave is missing the boat on that one! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:20:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Loved it. Would have the DVD collection now, if not for a lack of money. Just saw it at the Best Buy near my house. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:36:51 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong did you like Karen Sisco, Martin? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:22:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
[scifinoir2] Is NBC's Merlin Any Good?
Anyone watching Merlin? I believe former Buffy star Anthony Head is one of the stars. I keep missing it. I've heard it's a lightweight telling of the Arthurian era. Someone likened it to One Tree Hill in the Middle Ages, or perhaps, the lighter aspects of Smallville once all the youngsters took over. I'm curious if it's worth a viewing? http://www.nbc.com/merlin/
Re: [scifinoir2] Is NBC's Merlin Any Good?
Camelot 90210. The wife likes it, but me? Not so much. Justin On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Keith Johnsonkeithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Anyone watching Merlin? I believe former Buffy star Anthony Head is one of the stars. I keep missing it. I've heard it's a lightweight telling of the Arthurian era. Someone likened it to One Tree Hill in the Middle Ages, or perhaps, the lighter aspects of Smallville once all the youngsters took over. I'm curious if it's worth a viewing? http://www.nbc.com/merlin/ -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
[scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts
Thanks Tracey and Fate for the condolences and the welcome! I'm happy to be among other scifi fans! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: Tasheka, i too am so sorry 2 hear about your father. i promise u will be in my prayers this evening. also, welcome 2 the group! beware of - Tracey and Martin (they are truly strange :-) - just joking Trace and Martin...and you both know it. again, welcome Tasheka. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 4:28 PM Tasheka: Sorry to hear about your dad. I was close to my dad too. -Original Message- From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of tasheka4 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:06 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Martin, Thanks for the welcome! You're the first to do so. I'm just glad to find this group and know that there are other black scifi fans out there. I was beginning to think I was the only one besides my dad who died last year and left me with no one to talk to about Eureka and other scifi shows. None of my friends like it, and believe me I've tried to convert them. The closest they get is to fantasy like True Blood and Twilight (and I like these too), but none like actual scifi which I love. So the discussions I've been reading here have been great! I may not be a frequent poster because I'm in grad school, and as the semester gets going I know I'll be really busy. However, I will chime in with my two cents from time to time. Tasheka --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: Great points, Tasheka! And welcome to the group, if no one else has said so. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: tasheka4@ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:11:42 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts I think the fact that there's not much else on really makes Eureka better this season. I remember that alternate timeline when Carter and Allison were expecting a baby. She was very pregnant. When Nathan died and we find out she's pregnant in this timeline, I thought maybe in that other timeline when she and Carter were together, she could have been pregnant with Nathan's child then too. Perhaps certain portions of that alternate timeline would be the same or similar to the present timeline. But then they brought in Tess, so I'm not sure. Although Allison was looking a little sad when she realized Tess and Carter had gone out on a date and that Tess really liked him. So who knows where they're going with this. Tasheka --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, angelababycat asrobinson@ wrote: I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right now...). But I agree that the Carterison thing was getting old. Besides, didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or something? In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get married, have a baby, etc. So any real romance between them would have to top or be very different than that story. I'm voting for Tess. Angela --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Same here. I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible in the short-term From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might
[scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts
Well, thanks, I feel right at home thanks to Tracey and Martin...I'm a bit strange too! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: AhemAHEM... I AM truly strange. I have documentation to prove it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: jazzynupe_...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:45:40 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Tasheka, i too am so sorry 2 hear about your father. i promise u will be in my prayers this evening. also, welcome 2 the group! beware of - Tracey and Martin (they are truly strange :-) - just joking Trace and Martin...and you both know it. again, welcome Tasheka. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 4:28 PM Tasheka: Sorry to hear about your dad. I was close to my dad too. -Original Message- From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of tasheka4 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:06 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Martin, Thanks for the welcome! You're the first to do so. I'm just glad to find this group and know that there are other black scifi fans out there. I was beginning to think I was the only one besides my dad who died last year and left me with no one to talk to about Eureka and other scifi shows. None of my friends like it, and believe me I've tried to convert them. The closest they get is to fantasy like True Blood and Twilight (and I like these too), but none like actual scifi which I love. So the discussions I've been reading here have been great! I may not be a frequent poster because I'm in grad school, and as the semester gets going I know I'll be really busy. However, I will chime in with my two cents from time to time. Tasheka --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: Great points, Tasheka! And welcome to the group, if no one else has said so. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: tasheka4@ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:11:42 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts I think the fact that there's not much else on really makes Eureka better this season. I remember that alternate timeline when Carter and Allison were expecting a baby. She was very pregnant. When Nathan died and we find out she's pregnant in this timeline, I thought maybe in that other timeline when she and Carter were together, she could have been pregnant with Nathan's child then too. Perhaps certain portions of that alternate timeline would be the same or similar to the present timeline. But then they brought in Tess, so I'm not sure. Although Allison was looking a little sad when she realized Tess and Carter had gone out on a date and that Tess really liked him. So who knows where they're going with this. Tasheka --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, angelababycat asrobinson@ wrote: I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right now...). But I agree that the Carterison thing was getting old. Besides, didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or something? In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get married, have a baby, etc. So any real romance between them would have to top or be very different than that story. I'm voting for Tess. Angela --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Same here. I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible in the short-term
RE: [scifinoir2] Is NBC's Merlin Any Good?
Good description -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Mohareb Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:58 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is NBC's Merlin Any Good? Camelot 90210. The wife likes it, but me? Not so much. Justin On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Keith Johnsonkeithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Anyone watching Merlin? I believe former Buffy star Anthony Head is one of the stars. I keep missing it. I've heard it's a lightweight telling of the Arthurian era. Someone likened it to One Tree Hill in the Middle Ages, or perhaps, the lighter aspects of Smallville once all the youngsters took over. I'm curious if it's worth a viewing? http://www.nbc.com/merlin/ -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links
[scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!
If I've said it once (yes, I'm back from the grave, people) I've said it a
thousand times, I think I'm the only person on the planet that hates this show.
At first I was into it, loved it, couldn't get enough of it, especially our
rainbow coalition hard core cookslashtrick. And then... it just... got... on...
my... last... nerve. Sookie started to make me itch, and so did Beall {I know
it's Bill, but that's how Sookie says it. The Jason device got about as old as
Pinellas County (it's where I live periodlically and get pissed off in traffic
regularly, so I can definitely attest to what it's like living in a county with
the average age of 67). And our girl who is alternately the angrynegro/worried
about demons/sleeping with Sam also gets on my nerves.
Now that I've gotten that off my chest... the answer is no, I'm not watching it
anymore, but I am not judging anyone who does.
--GRC
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote:
Anybody watching True Blood? What do you think. Warning. I'm one week
behind, so protect me from spoilers
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[scifinoir2] Police: Drug ring used comic books to launder cash
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!
You are priceless! Beall. I hated it at first and then it grew on me.
Occasionally, it irkes me, so I relate to your angst about the show. That
being said, I love it! Go figure
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Behalf Of grayson.reyescole
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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!
If I've said it once (yes, I'm back from the grave, people) I've said it a
thousand times, I think I'm the only person on the planet that hates this
show. At first I was into it, loved it, couldn't get enough of it,
especially our rainbow coalition hard core cookslashtrick. And then... it
just... got... on... my... last... nerve. Sookie started to make me itch,
and so did Beall {I know it's Bill, but that's how Sookie says it. The Jason
device got about as old as Pinellas County (it's where I live periodlically
and get pissed off in traffic regularly, so I can definitely attest to what
it's like living in a county with the average age of 67). And our girl who
is alternately the angrynegro/worried about demons/sleeping with Sam also
gets on my nerves.
Now that I've gotten that off my chest... the answer is no, I'm not watching
it anymore, but I am not judging anyone who does.
--GRC
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote:
Anybody watching True Blood? What do you think. Warning. I'm one week
behind, so protect me from spoilers
Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
The Green Economy Post
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[scifinoir2] This is scary! Cellphone takes over man's stove
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[scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
I know, I know but a girl can always dream that something good will last for a while! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@... wrote: You should be sttled into the idea that if it is good, it's got to go... From: tasheka4 tashe...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:51:09 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS Â New to this group, but I thought I'd chime in with my favorite cancelled scifi shows. I really liked Otherworld from the 80s and was sad to see it cancelled. Does anyone remember that one? Also hated to lose Alien Nation, Farscape, Babylon 5, and most recently Torchwood. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ ... wrote: Oh I don't know, Martin...getting into a tight sitting position is going to be murder with this 'spare tire'...and trying to hit a target well over 5 football fields away...do I really need to explain that? _ _ __ From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:34:16 AM Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS ÃÂ You still have the same mind. The rest is just a matter of compensation. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik _ _ __ To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:03:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS ÃÂ I guess I should have mentioned that was over 20 years,70lbs, and a pair of bifocals ago... _ _ __ From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:48:51 AM Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS ÃÂ I'm going to be even nicer to you in the future... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik _ _ __ To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:03:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS ÃÂ But that is the way it works in the Corps...everyone is a basic grunt rifleman. Behold, I amÃÂ probably the onlyÃÂ trombone player you know who could take you out at 500 meters with a service rifle! (M-16A1 A2) _ _ __ From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:31:02 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS ÃÂ I'm aware of that, my focus was more on the pilot aspect of the show. It didn't make sense for them to be in a fighter pilot role then a couple of episodes later storming a base. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com wrote: Worf, C.W. is totally right.ÃÂ even Marine Corps officers go to 'The Basic School' where they learn 2 be grunts and how 2 lead other Marines.ÃÂ after that, they go 2 whatever other school that they qualified for. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/18/09, C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com wrote: From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:30 AM ÃÂ Honestly, Worf, That is how they train Marine officers Probably Army ones too... _ _ __ From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10:33 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS ÃÂ That I understand. What I didn't understand was why did they make them into pilots too? On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com wrote: Um...Mr. Worf, every Marine is a gruntand a rifleman At least that is what I was taught...But officers lead...just not each other...What does make me ill about that show was a few years down the road, drill instructors started wearing campain covers (smokie hats) with dress blues. I'm sorry, but that is the most retarded thing I have every seen the Marine Corp do...Even worse than the Army taking theÃÂ headgear that distinguished their special forces from the rest of the soldiers and letting everyone wear it...
[scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
Like the movie Logan's Run...didn't know there had been a series too. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... wrote: Maybe before most posters time but Logan's Run the tv show had potential.Not as campy as the movie..sort of. --- On Wed, 8/19/09, gwashin...@... gwashin...@... wrote: From: gwashin...@... gwashin...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 9:45 AM My thoughts on SAAB (which I do like alot is this). The pilot episode and the first 2 eps were great, then it went sort of down hill from there. -GTW ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122284 6709x1201493018/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd=Julystepsfooter NO115)
[scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
And maybe for non-scifi fans who they hope will crossover to scifi if there's less science in the scifi; however, that doesn't usually work. My friends who don't like scifi aren't gonna watch it no matter how 'dumbed-down' it is. The worst is that it becomes a total mismomer when you remove all the science from scifi. Kinda like the stupid name change of the channel. Just my opinion though. Tasheka --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@... wrote: Excellent question, Mr. Worf...I'd say for the studio execs From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:49:37 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS My question is who are they dumbing it down for? On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com wrote: The intellectual elitist in me rages at the thought of that dumbing-down. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:18:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS I think that the problem with shows like this is that studios think that they have to dumb down the show a little for non-scifi audiences. I have read a few conversations that were against the vtechnobabble that shows like star trek and others have. In the process they change the storylines to fit actors that may be more liked than others. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:49 AM, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ yahoo.com wrote: Maybe before most posters time but Logan's Run the tv show had potential.Not as campy as the movie... ...sort of. --- On Wed, 8/19/09, gwashin...@aol. com gwashin...@aol. com wrote: From: gwashin...@aol. com gwashin...@aol. com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 9:45 AM My thoughts on SAAB (which I do like alot is this). The pilot episode and the first 2 eps were great, then it went sort of down hill from there.. -GTW ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122284 6709x1201493018/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd=Julystepsfooter NO115) -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. Click here. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts
Yeah, Lexi and Carter remind me of me and my brother. We're night and day different too. Tasheka --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts OK Keith, don't get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jo's boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer).Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat. I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I think moving her into the café was a good move From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is
[scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts
I think the fact that there's not much else on really makes Eureka better this season. I remember that alternate timeline when Carter and Allison were expecting a baby. She was very pregnant. When Nathan died and we find out she's pregnant in this timeline, I thought maybe in that other timeline when she and Carter were together, she could have been pregnant with Nathan's child then too. Perhaps certain portions of that alternate timeline would be the same or similar to the present timeline. But then they brought in Tess, so I'm not sure. Although Allison was looking a little sad when she realized Tess and Carter had gone out on a date and that Tess really liked him. So who knows where they're going with this. Tasheka --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, angelababycat asrobin...@... wrote: I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right now...). But I agree that the Carterison thing was getting old. Besides, didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or something? In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get married, have a baby, etc. So any real romance between them would have to top or be very different than that story. I'm voting for Tess. Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Same here. I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible in the short-term From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdlists@ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I'm also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I'm not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. Let's hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they stay on track From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts
Great points, Tasheka! And welcome to the group, if no one else has said so. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tashe...@netzero.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:11:42 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts I think the fact that there's not much else on really makes Eureka better this season. I remember that alternate timeline when Carter and Allison were expecting a baby. She was very pregnant. When Nathan died and we find out she's pregnant in this timeline, I thought maybe in that other timeline when she and Carter were together, she could have been pregnant with Nathan's child then too. Perhaps certain portions of that alternate timeline would be the same or similar to the present timeline. But then they brought in Tess, so I'm not sure. Although Allison was looking a little sad when she realized Tess and Carter had gone out on a date and that Tess really liked him. So who knows where they're going with this. Tasheka --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, angelababycat asrobin...@... wrote: I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right now...). But I agree that the Carterison thing was getting old. Besides, didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or something? In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get married, have a baby, etc. So any real romance between them would have to top or be very different than that story. I'm voting for Tess. Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Same here. I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible in the short-term From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdlists@ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I'm also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I'm not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. Let's hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they stay on track From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts
Applies to me and my two younger sisters as well. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tashe...@netzero.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:01:21 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts Yeah, Lexi and Carter remind me of me and my brother. We're night and day different too. Tasheka --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts OK Keith, don't get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jo's boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer).Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat. I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I think moving her into the café was a good move From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for
RE: [scifinoir2] This is scary! Cellphone takes over man's stove
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RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
It would *have* to be changed, and any changes would throw the movie so far off-kilter as to make it unwatchable. Once again, H'Wood seeks to prove that its head is firmly embedded up its a$$. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:45:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong American movie directors suck at coming up with remakes of Asian cinema. The casting of Will Smith in this role will just be a trainwreck. Plus the censors won't allow the ending or the last 1/4 of the film. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: It’s true. …unless it’s in development hell. I dunno From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:34 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong OH MY GOD SAY IT AINT SO I thought you were joking then I looked it up. They are going to mess that movie up. The entire twist of the movie is important and they will more than likely change it in the american version. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I've heard good things about Old Boy, and lots of conversation about the rumored version starring Will Smith. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:45:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Ok, I will post a review. :) But if she is having nightmares about shrimp I can tell you now that she won't be able to handle Thirst. Some of the images in Old boy was pretty graphic. I didn't bring it up because there isn't any scifi in it. It is an interesting story though. A guy gets snatched off of the street and imprisoned for 15 years in a small hotel looking room. One day he is given 7 days to figure out why he was placed there. Cool movie. It would have never been produced in Hollywood. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Let us know how it is, please. After my wife seeing District 9--a feat I pulled off only because she had *no* clue of what it would be like--I can't sneak in Thirst. She had nightmares about shrimp jumping off a dinner plate and menacing her--no fooling! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie Old boy and was blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am looking forward to the movie because the director is known for making good dark, and twisted films. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick Thirst? I've heard some good things about it. I saw District 9 yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... * http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner Inglourious Basterds, a pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. Basterds is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi thriller District 9 finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's PG-rated family fantasy Shorts from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy Post Grad registered $2.8 million in 10th, and Disney's sports documentary X Games 3D: The Movie -- slotted for one week only in
RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
Here's hoping for development hell. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:39:02 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong It’s true. …unless it’s in development hell. I dunno From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:34 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong OH MY GOD SAY IT AINT SO I thought you were joking then I looked it up. They are going to mess that movie up. The entire twist of the movie is important and they will more than likely change it in the american version. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I've heard good things about Old Boy, and lots of conversation about the rumored version starring Will Smith. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:45:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Ok, I will post a review. :) But if she is having nightmares about shrimp I can tell you now that she won't be able to handle Thirst. Some of the images in Old boy was pretty graphic. I didn't bring it up because there isn't any scifi in it. It is an interesting story though. A guy gets snatched off of the street and imprisoned for 15 years in a small hotel looking room. One day he is given 7 days to figure out why he was placed there. Cool movie. It would have never been produced in Hollywood. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Let us know how it is, please. After my wife seeing District 9--a feat I pulled off only because she had *no* clue of what it would be like--I can't sneak in Thirst. She had nightmares about shrimp jumping off a dinner plate and menacing her--no fooling! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie Old boy and was blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am looking forward to the movie because the director is known for making good dark, and twisted films. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick Thirst? I've heard some good things about it. I saw District 9 yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... * http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner Inglourious Basterds, a pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. Basterds is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi thriller District 9 finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's PG-rated family fantasy Shorts from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy Post Grad registered $2.8 million in 10th, and Disney's sports documentary X Games 3D: The Movie -- slotted for one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000. Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation The Time Traveler's Wife fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a $37.4 million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard slid 53% to $2.7 million and a $11.2 million cume. Disney's Ponyo dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 million cume, and Summit Entertainment's youth musical Bandslam dropped 60% to $890,000
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
I have to go with the latter, Keith. I've only seen it twice, but I adore it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:17:10 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Is Jackie Brown not a good movie, or not that well received? I've never seen it. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:23:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I love Tarantino. Pulp Fiction is still my favorite movie of all-time. I have seen everything Tarantino has made. I even liked Jackie Brown. I can't wait to see Inglourious Basterds. I was going to go last night, but I decided to go to see District 9 instead. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: After watching Tarentino's one hour manic interview with Charlie Rose, I'm more interested in seeing Basterds. Guy is very smart, very well read, very well versed in history. His movies can be a bit overblown, but that's not it. I can see myself seeing it on cable. I hear it's actually much more of a talky than the grossout violence fest we seem to keep getting fed by the trailers. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:36:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I can’t get up any enthusiasm to see bastards either. Don’t know why. I’m not even sure I will pursue it on cable. It seems like it is some sort of Dirty Dozen tribute and I loved that, but I’m not feeling it. Gotta get a baby sitter so we can go see District 9 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick Thirst? I've heard some good things about it. I saw District 9 yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... * http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner Inglourious Basterds, a pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. Basterds is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi thriller District 9 finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's PG-rated family fantasy Shorts from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy Post Grad registered $2.8 million in 10th, and Disney's sports documentary X Games 3D: The Movie -- slotted for one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000. Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation The Time Traveler's Wife fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a $37.4 million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard slid 53% to $2.7 million and a $11.2 million cume. Disney's Ponyo dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 million cume, and Summit Entertainment's youth musical Bandslam dropped 60% to $890,000 and a $4.5 million cume. The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That marked a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick. In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy The Mark Pease Experience, starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and
RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
Keith, the good things about Oldboy are more than due. Seeing the movie named in previous posts this morning made me go over the scenes in my head, as best I can remember them, and I'm feeling the thrill of it anew. Haven't found it yet in my travels but, when I do, it's mine. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:16:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I've heard good things about Old Boy, and lots of conversation about the rumored version starring Will Smith. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:45:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Ok, I will post a review. :) But if she is having nightmares about shrimp I can tell you now that she won't be able to handle Thirst. Some of the images in Old boy was pretty graphic. I didn't bring it up because there isn't any scifi in it. It is an interesting story though. A guy gets snatched off of the street and imprisoned for 15 years in a small hotel looking room. One day he is given 7 days to figure out why he was placed there. Cool movie. It would have never been produced in Hollywood. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Let us know how it is, please. After my wife seeing District 9--a feat I pulled off only because she had *no* clue of what it would be like--I can't sneak in Thirst. She had nightmares about shrimp jumping off a dinner plate and menacing her--no fooling! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie Old boy and was blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am looking forward to the movie because the director is known for making good dark, and twisted films. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick Thirst? I've heard some good things about it. I saw District 9 yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... * http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner Inglourious Basterds, a pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. Basterds is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi thriller District 9 finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's PG-rated family fantasy Shorts from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy Post Grad registered $2.8 million in 10th, and Disney's sports documentary X Games 3D: The Movie -- slotted for one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000. Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation The Time Traveler's Wife fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a $37.4 million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard slid 53% to $2.7 million and a $11.2 million cume. Disney's Ponyo dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 million cume, and Summit Entertainment's youth musical Bandslam dropped 60% to $890,000 and a $4.5 million cume. The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That marked a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick. In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy The Mark Pease Experience,
RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
No, Keith, you're on the mark again. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:13:53 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Yeah, but back in the day that wasn't always taken as gay. Words like dandy were very common, and men of means in many periods were foppish, sniffing their snuff, wearing brightly colored clothes, all but swooning when excited or tired, etc. But nowadays that type of behaviour typically is construed--and often intended--as being gay. While I agree it doesn't *have* to mean that, the way H'Wood usually works, it usually does mean that. But maybe I'm wrong... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:29:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Has anyone seen the movie the Scarlet Pimpernel? (the 1970s version is unintentionally hilarious!) I think that is a good example of what Martin is referring to. There are guys that fall into that category, sort of an anti-macho category. Like Prince or David Spade for example. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in
RE: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions
It's theoretically possible, if you've got a ship, a wormhole and something that generates a heckuva lot of gravity. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:01:15 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions well, to us, time moves in a linear fashion, from past to future. But that's only for objects that exist at sublight speeds. For any phenomena that move *at* lightspeed, time stands completely still. A photon that left a star from the Andromeda galaxy 2.2 million years ago notes *no* passage of time whatsoever. Ain't that wild? I don't think any current theories allow for us to travel back in time, only forward, or not be affected by it at all. - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:08:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions Yeah, the video is confusing in this regard and at points was off (albeit stylistically cool), but you're right. I still don't think time is linear, however. :) ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: If time were linear (a line), it'd be one dimension. A true line is one dimensional, a plane (like a sheet of paper), would be two dimensional, of course the cube is three, and then the concept of spacetime is associated with four by some Speaking of time, there's a new book out I've heard about where one of the physicists working on the new supercollider in Europe tries to explain Relativity in an easy-to-understand method. It's called Why Does E=mc2? And Why Should We Care? The concept of time is discussed, including why it's truly relative (depending on one's frame of reference only) and why it flows in only one direction, at least for those of use with mass. I listen to a program called Think, from KERA in Dallas. The book's author, Brian Cox, did an hourlong interview recently that was pretty good. You can find the interview here: http://www.kera.org/audio/think.php Einstein's Theory of Relativity [2009-08-12 13:00:00] Is Einstein's theory of relativity too complex for the average Joe to comprehend, or just waiting for the right teacher? We'll discuss common misconceptions about relativity this hour with Brian Cox, particle physicist and co-author of the new book Why Does E=MC2 And Why Should We Care? (DaCapo, 2009). Here's a link to a review of the book. I plan to pick it up soon: http://www.powells.com/biblio/9780306817588 - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:27:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions Observed time isn't a dimension, though. And if it's in a line, it should be two dimensions as a line's two dimensional. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Omari Confer clockwork...@gmail.com wrote: They dont speak of time in its abstractthey refer to time as observed time. Who i was when i began this email...and who I am right now.. c w m On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me. Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would jump on that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very definition it should take up two dimensions not just one. And it's not linear. I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects of time versus time itself. And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started with...I will end this email. LOL ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
[scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
Oldboy is one of the best movies I've seen this decade. I bought the South Korean special edition way back when and I plan to buy the Tartan dvd and use it as a lending copy. Whatever you do don't read any spoilers before seeing the movie. It's one of the best first time movie going experience you can have. Mr. Worf, The American version did plan on neutering the story. They were going to base it on the manga and not the film. The manga doesn't have the same twist or ending. The antagonist's motivations are supposed to be totally different as well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Keith, the good things about Oldboy are more than due. Seeing the movie named in previous posts this morning made me go over the scenes in my head, as best I can remember them, and I'm feeling the thrill of it anew. Haven't found it yet in my travels but, when I do, it's mine. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:16:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I've heard good things about Old Boy, and lots of conversation about the rumored version starring Will Smith. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:45:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Ok, I will post a review. :) But if she is having nightmares about shrimp I can tell you now that she won't be able to handle Thirst. Some of the images in Old boy was pretty graphic. I didn't bring it up because there isn't any scifi in it. It is an interesting story though. A guy gets snatched off of the street and imprisoned for 15 years in a small hotel looking room. One day he is given 7 days to figure out why he was placed there. Cool movie. It would have never been produced in Hollywood. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Let us know how it is, please. After my wife seeing District 9--a feat I pulled off only because she had *no* clue of what it would be like--I can't sneak in Thirst. She had nightmares about shrimp jumping off a dinner plate and menacing her--no fooling! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie Old boy and was blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am looking forward to the movie because the director is known for making good dark, and twisted films. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick Thirst? I've heard some good things about it. I saw District 9 yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... * http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner Inglourious Basterds, a pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. Basterds is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi thriller District 9 finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's PG-rated family fantasy Shorts from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy Post Grad registered $2.8 million in 10th, and Disney's sports documentary X Games 3D: The Movie -- slotted for one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues --
Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer. No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer). Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat.
Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions
yeah, but i believe the energy requirements are something like that put out by a few billion stars, right? so effectively, not possible, at least, not for humans in a ship who hope to survive for more than a few picoseconds. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:00:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions It's theoretically possible, if you've got a ship, a wormhole and something that generates a heckuva lot of gravity. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:01:15 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions well, to us, time moves in a linear fashion, from past to future. But that's only for objects that exist at sublight speeds. For any phenomena that move *at* lightspeed, time stands completely still. A photon that left a star from the Andromeda galaxy 2.2 million years ago notes *no* passage of time whatsoever. Ain't that wild? I don't think any current theories allow for us to travel back in time, only forward, or not be affected by it at all. - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:08:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions Yeah, the video is confusing in this regard and at points was off (albeit stylistically cool), but you're right. I still don't think time is linear, however. :) ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: If time were linear (a line), it'd be one dimension. A true line is one dimensional, a plane (like a sheet of paper), would be two dimensional, of course the cube is three, and then the concept of spacetime is associated with four by some Speaking of time, there's a new book out I've heard about where one of the physicists working on the new supercollider in Europe tries to explain Relativity in an easy-to-understand method. It's called Why Does E=mc2? And Why Should We Care? The concept of time is discussed, including why it's truly relative (depending on one's frame of reference only) and why it flows in only one direction, at least for those of use with mass. I listen to a program called Think, from KERA in Dallas. The book's author, Brian Cox, did an hourlong interview recently that was pretty good. You can find the interview here: http://www.kera.org/audio/think.php Ein stein's Theory of Relativity [2009-08-12 13:00:00] Is Einstein's theory of relativity too complex for the average Joe to comprehend, or just waiting for the right teacher? We'll discuss common misconceptions about relativity this hour with Brian Cox, particle physicist and co-author of the new book Why Does E=MC2 And Why Should We Care? (DaCapo, 2009). Here's a link to a review of the book. I plan to pick it up soon: http://www.powells.com/biblio/9780306817588 - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:27:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions Observed time isn't a dimension, though. And if it's in a line, it should be two dimensions as a line's two dimensional. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Omari Confer clockwork...@gmail.com wrote: They dont speak of time in its abstractthey refer to time as observed time. Who i was when i began this email...and who I am right now.. c w m On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me. Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would jump on that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very definition it should take up two dimensions not just one. And it's
[scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
BTW I highly recommend the other two movies in the Vengeance Trilogy, Sympathy For Mr. Vengeance and Lady Vengeance. They all have something epic about them and it's great to see Chan Wook Park's growth as a filmmaker. I really suggest watching them in order if you have a chance. They all stand alone but it's intersting to see the callbacks and references to Mr. Vengeance and Oldboy in Lady Vengeance. He also has two other films that are worth a look. JSA is a murder mystery set in the DMZ between North and South Korea. I'm A Cyborg But That's OK is a quirky drama about a young woman in a mental hospital. It wasn't my cup of tea but my wife really liked it. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Keith, the good things about Oldboy are more than due. Seeing the movie named in previous posts this morning made me go over the scenes in my head, as best I can remember them, and I'm feeling the thrill of it anew. Haven't found it yet in my travels but, when I do, it's mine. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:16:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I've heard good things about Old Boy, and lots of conversation about the rumored version starring Will Smith. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:45:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Ok, I will post a review. :) But if she is having nightmares about shrimp I can tell you now that she won't be able to handle Thirst. Some of the images in Old boy was pretty graphic. I didn't bring it up because there isn't any scifi in it. It is an interesting story though. A guy gets snatched off of the street and imprisoned for 15 years in a small hotel looking room. One day he is given 7 days to figure out why he was placed there. Cool movie. It would have never been produced in Hollywood. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Let us know how it is, please. After my wife seeing District 9--a feat I pulled off only because she had *no* clue of what it would be like--I can't sneak in Thirst. She had nightmares about shrimp jumping off a dinner plate and menacing her--no fooling! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie Old boy and was blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am looking forward to the movie because the director is known for making good dark, and twisted films. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick Thirst? I've heard some good things about it. I saw District 9 yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... * http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner Inglourious Basterds, a pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. Basterds is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi thriller District 9 finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's PG-rated family fantasy Shorts from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy Post Grad registered $2.8 million in 10th, and
Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions
There was something interesting where they proved you could slow down the speed of light, right? Thus removing it as a constant. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: well, to us, time moves in a linear fashion, from past to future. But that's only for objects that exist at sublight speeds. For any phenomena that move *at* lightspeed, time stands completely still. A photon that left a star from the Andromeda galaxy 2.2 million years ago notes *no* passage of time whatsoever. Ain't that wild? I don't think any current theories allow for us to travel back in time, only forward, or not be affected by it at all. - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:08:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions Yeah, the video is confusing in this regard and at points was off (albeit stylistically cool), but you're right. I still don't think time is linear, however. :) ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: If time were linear (a line), it'd be one dimension. A true line is one dimensional, a plane (like a sheet of paper), would be two dimensional, of course the cube is three, and then the concept of spacetime is associated with four by some Speaking of time, there's a new book out I've heard about where one of the physicists working on the new supercollider in Europe tries to explain Relativity in an easy-to-understand method. It's called Why Does E=mc2? And Why Should We Care? The concept of time is discussed, including why it's truly relative (depending on one's frame of reference only) and why it flows in only one direction, at least for those of use with mass. I listen to a program called Think, from KERA in Dallas. The book's author, Brian Cox, did an hourlong interview recently that was pretty good. You can find the interview here: http://www.kera.org/audio/think.php Ein*stein's Theory of Relativityhttp://podcastdownload.npr.org/anon.npr-podcasts/podcast/77/510036/111822071/KERA_111822071.mp3 * [2009-08-12 13:00:00] Is Einstein's theory of relativity too complex for the average Joe to comprehend, or just waiting for the right teacher? We'll discuss common misconceptions about relativity this hour with Brian Cox, particle physicist and co-author of the new book Why Does E=MC2 And Why Should We Care? (DaCapo, 2009). Here's a link to a review of the book. I plan to pick it up soon: http://www.powells.com/biblio/9780306817588 - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:27:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions Observed time isn't a dimension, though. And if it's in a line, it should be two dimensions as a line's two dimensional. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Omari Confer clockwork...@gmail.comwrote: They dont speak of time in its abstractthey refer to time as observed time. Who i was when i began this email...and who I am right now.. c w m On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me. Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would jump on that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very definition it should take up two dimensions not just one. And it's not linear. I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects of time versus time itself. And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started with...I will end this email. LOL ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark
Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
For example, look at how men talked and acted just a century or so ago here. There's lots of talk about Abraham Lincoln being a closet gay because he slept in the same bed with a man who was a very good friend of his. Don't know about that, but back then, men sleeping in the same bed wasn't considered to be all that unusual in many circumstances. You're on the road, rooms are expensive, money's tight--you share a bed. Heck, I can recall even seeing old shows like The Three Stooges or Laurel and Hardy where men shared a bed because of funds and availability, and as a child, it *never* occurred to me that something was untoward. Back then, the humor in the scene was simply two dudes sharing a little bed, maybe one snoring and moving around too much for the other to sleep, but that was it. Nowadays, however, such scenes are fraught with suggestion, and usually played for jokes that all center around the men nervously proclaiming I'm not gay, i'm not enjoying this! to each other. Read letters from some men from the Civil War and Revolutionary War period. You'll see men say about their fellows, things like My heart races when he enters a room, so full of confidence is he, or, My love for you, dear fellow, is unbounded by anything, so much joy have you brought to me. These are usually men who are married with children. Now, were they on the downlow? I don't think so: passions like that were simply more openly expressed, and there wasn't the stigma of being perceived as gay so quickly. But let a man make a statement like that nowadays, and think anyone would just toss it off as normal? Doubtful. Look at all the countries in the world where men kissing each other on the checks is normal, where really warm embraces are nothing unusual. There are Middle Eastern and African countries where men hold hands in public, and it's considered to be absolutely fine. But not in America. Some of this I think is the difference in relationships between men and women. For most of recorded time, women have been seen as wives, mothers, and, sadly, all but servants in some countries. They're there to provide services, have kids, keep the house. But for most countries in most times, men haven't really been taught to see women as equals and real friends. They don't seek their advice in affairs of state, business, or war. In so many countries today, men don't hang out with women after dinner to chat about the world; rather, they retreat to hang with the fellows. That real bonding was left for men, who were out hunting, killing, building, and politicking together. So there seemed to be a bigger emphasis on that strong bond between men that was seen as normal. And I think some of the affection that could have gone to a woman who was respected as a friend as well as a mate, went to the men instead. Nowadays--in America at least--women have gained in respect and position. More men see women as equals, more men like me confide in our wives, seek out their advice in all things. Hell, if I were Prez, you can damn well bet my wife would be advising me on everything from healthcare to military policy! Not sure of all the reasons, but in the last century there's been a major shift in how sexuality is viewed in that way. What was once normal or amusing is now curious and suggestive. I even think of Morris Day: back in the day, he was just a bit of a dandy. now people say, Is Morris Day gay? and even guys who are gay now like to play up their behaviour. Shows like Will and Grace, Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, America's Top Model all showcase men who are extremely stereotyped in their mannerisms. So, my long-winded feeling is that, even if Vincent isn't gay, the way he's acting, people will perceive him as such. When he waves his hands and says I'm NOT going to be offended you didn't ask me to do your wedding cake! one wonders, and I can't believe that's an accidental thing. The truth is most Americans nowadays will thing gay. - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:13:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Yeah, but back in the day that wasn't always taken as gay. Words like dandy were very common, and men of means in many periods were foppish, sniffing their snuff, wearing brightly colored clothes, all but swooning when excited or tired, etc. But nowadays that type of behaviour typically is construed--and often intended--as being gay. While I agree it doesn't *have* to mean that, the way H'Wood usually works, it usually does mean that. But maybe I'm wrong... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:29:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Has anyone seen the movie the Scarlet Pimpernel?
Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
To live in Eureka you must have a genius level and a security clearance. They never say how many people are regular people but often the spouses are not super geniuses. Everyone that lives there works for the company. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka
Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
Found this on the Web from a synopsis someone wrote of one Eureka ep. Now that I read it, I remember that scene... h ttp://www.recapist.com/2007/08/01/eureka-episode-204-games-people-play E ureka - Episode 204 - Games People Play ...Carter's once again having A Very Bad Day, and that's before everyone he cares about starts disappearing on him. First, it's Jo, who disappears on him mid-conversation while moving around the desks in the sheriff's office. When Jack heads over to Cafe Diem to ask if anyone's seen her, he learns two important things: Vincent's gay (or at the very least flexisexual) and nobody's heard of Jo. [When Carter asks about his deputy, Jo, Vincent appears to assume that's a man, Joe] Vincent's pink shirt might have been a tipoff about the flexisexual thing, but the Is he cute? response to Jack's query about his new deputy seals the deal. The thing about nobody remembering Jo (Jack: I have a deputy named Jo Lupo -- small but surprisingly strong, a bit of a gun nut) is more of a shock, frankly. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:23:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to
Re: [scifinoir2] This is scary! Cellphone takes over man's stove
As things become more web enabled they start running the danger of a virus. What if his cellphone gave his stove a virus? I know its not possible right now but soon...very soon... We already have web enabled stoves and refrigerators. All it takes is some kid on summer vacation to play around with it. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Now, if we were to install Magic Chef ovens in teenagers' cars, texting-while-driving would become a thing of the past. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:22:18 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] This is scary! Cellphone takes over man's stove http://www.switched.com/2009/08/19/cell-phone-inexplicably-turns-on-brooklyn-mans-oven?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try BingT now.http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
oh, so every single worker there is a genius? Well, I guess that would make it hard to be normal. Wonder why they don't have the same standards for the law enforcement? I also wonder why they don't have more security outside of the sheriff's office? I mean, one minute Carter's ticketing someone for double parking, the next he's trying to close a rupture in spacetime. And those uniforms: too Andy Griffith for me. And speaking of sheriff's accoutrements, have you noticed all the heavy handed Subaru in-episode advertising going on? Jo and Fargo kept saying Subaru Model over and over a couple of shows back. the new police cruiser is positioned so that the camera lingers over the Subaru decal quite a bit. I still find that type of obvious marketing irritating... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:02:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts To live in Eureka you must have a genius level and a security clearance. They never say how many people are regular people but often the spouses are not super geniuses. Everyone that lives there works for the company. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer. No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people
[scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
It was not well received. It only did $39 million at the box office (on the other hand, it only cost $12 mil). I first saw it at an art house with a bunch of Taratino fan boys who hated it because it wasn't Pulp Fiction 2. What it is is another Leonard Elmore book to film adaptation, more in line with Get Shorty and Be Cool than Pulp Fiction. Jackie Brown is full of great performances from the likes of Robert DeNiro (hilariously dim-witted), Samuel L. Jackson (who slowly morphs into Mephistopheles), Bridget Fonda, Michael Keaton, Robert Forster and, last but not least, Pam Grier. Tarantino's showcase homage for blaxploitation queen Grier is chase and respectful - which, alas, may have something to do with the tepid box office. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Is Jackie Brown not a good movie, or not that well received? I've never seen it. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:23:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I love Tarantino. Pulp Fiction is still my favorite movie of all-time. I have seen everything Tarantino has made. I even liked Jackie Brown. I can't wait to see Inglourious Basterds. I was going to go last night, but I decided to go to see District 9 instead. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: After watching Tarentino's one hour manic interview with Charlie Rose, I'm more interested in seeing Basterds. Guy is very smart, very well read, very well versed in history. His movies can be a bit overblown, but that's not it. I can see myself seeing it on cable. I hear it's actually much more of a talky than the grossout violence fest we seem to keep getting fed by the trailers. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:36:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I canââ¬â¢t get up any enthusiasm to see bastards either. Donââ¬â¢t know why. Iââ¬â¢m not even sure I will pursue it on cable. It seems like it is some sort of Dirty Dozen tribute and I loved that, but Iââ¬â¢m not feeling it. Gotta get a baby sitter so we can go see District 9 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick Thirst? I've heard some good things about it. I saw District 9 yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... * http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner Inglourious Basterds, a pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. Basterds is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi thriller District 9 finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's PG-rated family fantasy Shorts from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy Post Grad registered $2.8 million in 10th, and Disney's sports documentary X Games 3D: The Movie -- slotted for one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000. Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation The Time Traveler's Wife fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a $37.4 million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard slid 53% to $2.7 million and a $11.2 million cume. Disney's Ponyo dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 million cume, and Summit Entertainment's youth musical Bandslam dropped
[scifinoir2] Author Nnedi Okorafor's take on District 9
http://nnedi.blogspot.com/2009/08/my-response-to-district-419i-mean.html
[scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
Jackie Brown is a much more restrained and adult movie than Pulp Fiction. Samuel L. Jackson's performance from that one is highly underrated. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: It was not well received. It only did $39 million at the box office (on the other hand, it only cost $12 mil). I first saw it at an art house with a bunch of Taratino fan boys who hated it because it wasn't Pulp Fiction 2. What it is is another Leonard Elmore book to film adaptation, more in line with Get Shorty and Be Cool than Pulp Fiction. Jackie Brown is full of great performances from the likes of Robert DeNiro (hilariously dim-witted), Samuel L. Jackson (who slowly morphs into Mephistopheles), Bridget Fonda, Michael Keaton, Robert Forster and, last but not least, Pam Grier. Tarantino's showcase homage for blaxploitation queen Grier is chase and respectful - which, alas, may have something to do with the tepid box office. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Is Jackie Brown not a good movie, or not that well received? I've never seen it. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravenadal@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:23:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I love Tarantino. Pulp Fiction is still my favorite movie of all-time. I have seen everything Tarantino has made. I even liked Jackie Brown. I can't wait to see Inglourious Basterds. I was going to go last night, but I decided to go to see District 9 instead. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: After watching Tarentino's one hour manic interview with Charlie Rose, I'm more interested in seeing Basterds. Guy is very smart, very well read, very well versed in history. His movies can be a bit overblown, but that's not it. I can see myself seeing it on cable. I hear it's actually much more of a talky than the grossout violence fest we seem to keep getting fed by the trailers. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:36:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I canââ¬â¢t get up any enthusiasm to see bastards either. Donââ¬â¢t know why. Iââ¬â¢m not even sure I will pursue it on cable. It seems like it is some sort of Dirty Dozen tribute and I loved that, but Iââ¬â¢m not feeling it. Gotta get a baby sitter so we can go see District 9 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick Thirst? I've heard some good things about it. I saw District 9 yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... * http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner Inglourious Basterds, a pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. Basterds is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi thriller District 9 finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's PG-rated family fantasy Shorts from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy Post Grad registered $2.8 million in 10th, and Disney's sports documentary X Games 3D: The Movie -- slotted for one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000. Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation The Time Traveler's Wife fell a modest 46%
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
Interesting. I haven't seen Jackie Brown yet, but it's on my list. It's one of those where I keep coming halfway into it on cable. I don't think Pam Grier disrobes anymore for movie roles. Speaking of the other films, I never saw Get Shorty, but had the misfortune of seeing Be Cool, which i found really labored and boring. As for other stuff based on Elmore's books, I *loved* Out of Sight, probably one of--if not the best--movies in which Jennifer Lopez has starred. The cool and easygoing direction of Soderbergh meshed well with Lopez and Clooney. And you know what I really loved? The TV series Karen Sisco, based on Out of Sight. Carla Gugino was perfect in that role as a cool, sexy, tough lady. I think that type of role suits her best. Add Danny Devito, Bill Duke, and Robert Forster as her father, and the cast was perfect. It had the mix of danger, fun, and coolness that Burn Notice is often credited for, but did it years earlier. My wife and I loved the series and were really upset when it was canceled. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:43:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong It was not well received. It only did $39 million at the box office (on the other hand, it only cost $12 mil). I first saw it at an art house with a bunch of Taratino fan boys who hated it because it wasn't Pulp Fiction 2. What it is is another Leonard Elmore book to film adaptation, more in line with Get Shorty and Be Cool than Pulp Fiction. Jackie Brown is full of great performances from the likes of Robert DeNiro (hilariously dim-witted), Samuel L. Jackson (who slowly morphs into Mephistopheles), Bridget Fonda, Michael Keaton, Robert Forster and, last but not least, Pam Grier. Tarantino's showcase homage for blaxploitation queen Grier is chase and respectful - which, alas, may have something to do with the tepid box office. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Is Jackie Brown not a good movie, or not that well received? I've never seen it. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:23:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I love Tarantino. Pulp Fiction is still my favorite movie of all-time. I have seen everything Tarantino has made. I even liked Jackie Brown. I can't wait to see Inglourious Basterds. I was going to go last night, but I decided to go to see District 9 instead. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: After watching Tarentino's one hour manic interview with Charlie Rose, I'm more interested in seeing Basterds. Guy is very smart, very well read, very well versed in history. His movies can be a bit overblown, but that's not it. I can see myself seeing it on cable. I hear it's actually much more of a talky than the grossout violence fest we seem to keep getting fed by the trailers. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:36:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I can’t get up any enthusiasm to see bastards either. Don’t know why. I’m not even sure I will pursue it on cable. It seems like it is some sort of Dirty Dozen tribute and I loved that, but I’m not feeling it. Gotta get a baby sitter so we can go see District 9 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick Thirst? I've heard some good things about it. I saw District 9 yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... * http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner Inglourious Basterds, a pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously
[scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
While Stay Cool, is a decidedly inferior film to Get Shorty, my friends and I have had hours of fun quoting lines from that movie: Don't give me no damn gun! You know what I'm gonna do with it! Stop hatin', start participatin'. Come on, twinkle twinkle, baby, twinkle twinkle. Wanna take a shot at me kid? Do it. We often do the call and response Dabu (head nod) Player! (with attitude) and Vince Vaughn (and Dwayne (the Rock) Johnson's performances are a hoot! And, of course, there is Sin LaSalle's soliloquy: Have you lost your mind? I mean, how is it that you can disrespect a mans ethnicity when you know we've influenced nearly every facet of white America... from our music to our style of dress. Not to mention your basic imitation of our sense of cool; walk, talk, dress, mannerisms... we enrich your very existence, all the while contributing to the gross national product through our achievements in corporate America. It's these conceits that comfort me when I am faced with the ignorant, cowardly, bitter and bigoted, who *have* no talent, no guts? people like you who desecrate things they don't understand when the truth is - you should say thank-you, man? and go on about your way. But apparently you are incapable of doing that! So...[shoots his gun] I HATED Karen Sisco precisely because the gorgeous Carla Gugino elected to play a real female federal agent who in man pants, oversized jackets and caps pulled down on her head was, yes, cool and tough, but, alas, decidedly NOT sexy. What a waste of Gugino's fabulous gams! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Interesting. I haven't seen Jackie Brown yet, but it's on my list. It's one of those where I keep coming halfway into it on cable. I don't think Pam Grier disrobes anymore for movie roles. Speaking of the other films, I never saw Get Shorty, but had the misfortune of seeing Be Cool, which i found really labored and boring. As for other stuff based on Elmore's books, I *loved* Out of Sight, probably one of--if not the best--movies in which Jennifer Lopez has starred. The cool and easygoing direction of Soderbergh meshed well with Lopez and Clooney. And you know what I really loved? The TV series Karen Sisco, based on Out of Sight. Carla Gugino was perfect in that role as a cool, sexy, tough lady. I think that type of role suits her best. Add Danny Devito, Bill Duke, and Robert Forster as her father, and the cast was perfect. It had the mix of danger, fun, and coolness that Burn Notice is often credited for, but did it years earlier. My wife and I loved the series and were really upset when it was canceled. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:43:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong It was not well received. It only did $39 million at the box office (on the other hand, it only cost $12 mil). I first saw it at an art house with a bunch of Taratino fan boys who hated it because it wasn't Pulp Fiction 2. What it is is another Leonard Elmore book to film adaptation, more in line with Get Shorty and Be Cool than Pulp Fiction. Jackie Brown is full of great performances from the likes of Robert DeNiro (hilariously dim-witted), Samuel L. Jackson (who slowly morphs into Mephistopheles), Bridget Fonda, Michael Keaton, Robert Forster and, last but not least, Pam Grier. Tarantino's showcase homage for blaxploitation queen Grier is chase and respectful - which, alas, may have something to do with the tepid box office. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Is Jackie Brown not a good movie, or not that well received? I've never seen it. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravenadal@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:23:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I love Tarantino. Pulp Fiction is still my favorite movie of all-time. I have seen everything Tarantino has made. I even liked Jackie Brown. I can't wait to see Inglourious Basterds. I was going to go last night, but I decided to go to see District 9 instead. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: After watching Tarentino's one hour manic interview with Charlie Rose, I'm more interested in seeing Basterds. Guy is very smart, very well read, very well versed in history. His movies can be a bit overblown, but that's not it. I can see myself seeing it on cable. I hear it's actually much more of a talky than the grossout violence fest we seem to keep getting fed by the trailers. - Original Message -
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
aagh! I disagree on Karen Sisco. Great show, and it didn't have time to grow in directions like you mentioned. Your stuff below entertained me more than the movie Be Cool did. It was a bit too self-consciously hip and clever for my taste - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:41:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong While Stay Cool, is a decidedly inferior film to Get Shorty, my friends and I have had hours of fun quoting lines from that movie: Don't give me no damn gun! You know what I'm gonna do with it! Stop hatin', start participatin'. Come on, twinkle twinkle, baby, twinkle twinkle. Wanna take a shot at me kid? Do it. We often do the call and response Dabu (head nod) Player! (with attitude) and Vince Vaughn (and Dwayne (the Rock) Johnson's performances are a hoot! And, of course, there is Sin LaSalle's soliloquy: Have you lost your mind? I mean, how is it that you can disrespect a mans ethnicity when you know we've influenced nearly every facet of white America... from our music to our style of dress. Not to mention your basic imitation of our sense of cool; walk, talk, dress, mannerisms... we enrich your very existence, all the while contributing to the gross national product through our achievements in corporate America. It's these conceits that comfort me when I am faced with the ignorant, cowardly, bitter and bigoted, who *have* no talent, no guts? people like you who desecrate things they don't understand when the truth is - you should say thank-you, man? and go on about your way. But apparently you are incapable of doing that! So...[shoots his gun] I HATED Karen Sisco precisely because the gorgeous Carla Gugino elected to play a real female federal agent who in man pants, oversized jackets and caps pulled down on her head was, yes, cool and tough, but, alas, decidedly NOT sexy. What a waste of Gugino's fabulous gams! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Interesting. I haven't seen Jackie Brown yet, but it's on my list. It's one of those where I keep coming halfway into it on cable. I don't think Pam Grier disrobes anymore for movie roles. Speaking of the other films, I never saw Get Shorty, but had the misfortune of seeing Be Cool, which i found really labored and boring. As for other stuff based on Elmore's books, I *loved* Out of Sight, probably one of--if not the best--movies in which Jennifer Lopez has starred. The cool and easygoing direction of Soderbergh meshed well with Lopez and Clooney. And you know what I really loved? The TV series Karen Sisco, based on Out of Sight. Carla Gugino was perfect in that role as a cool, sexy, tough lady. I think that type of role suits her best. Add Danny Devito, Bill Duke, and Robert Forster as her father, and the cast was perfect. It had the mix of danger, fun, and coolness that Burn Notice is often credited for, but did it years earlier. My wife and I loved the series and were really upset when it was canceled. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:43:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong It was not well received. It only did $39 million at the box office (on the other hand, it only cost $12 mil). I first saw it at an art house with a bunch of Taratino fan boys who hated it because it wasn't Pulp Fiction 2. What it is is another Leonard Elmore book to film adaptation, more in line with Get Shorty and Be Cool than Pulp Fiction. Jackie Brown is full of great performances from the likes of Robert DeNiro (hilariously dim-witted), Samuel L. Jackson (who slowly morphs into Mephistopheles), Bridget Fonda, Michael Keaton, Robert Forster and, last but not least, Pam Grier. Tarantino's showcase homage for blaxploitation queen Grier is chase and respectful - which, alas, may have something to do with the tepid box office. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Is Jackie Brown not a good movie, or not that well received? I've never seen it. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravenadal@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:23:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I love Tarantino. Pulp Fiction is still my favorite movie of all-time. I have seen everything Tarantino has made. I even liked Jackie Brown. I can't wait to see Inglourious Basterds. I was going to go last night, but I decided to go to see District 9 instead. ~rave! --- In
RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show
RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
Keith, I figure that to be the Product of the Season. One season, we were bombarded with Degree ads left and right. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:42:31 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts oh, so every single worker there is a genius? Well, I guess that would make it hard to be normal. Wonder why they don't have the same standards for the law enforcement? I also wonder why they don't have more security outside of the sheriff's office? I mean, one minute Carter's ticketing someone for double parking, the next he's trying to close a rupture in spacetime. And those uniforms: too Andy Griffith for me. And speaking of sheriff's accoutrements, have you noticed all the heavy handed Subaru in-episode advertising going on? Jo and Fargo kept saying Subaru Model over and over a couple of shows back. the new police cruiser is positioned so that the camera lingers over the Subaru decal quite a bit. I still find that type of obvious marketing irritating... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:02:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts To live in Eureka you must have a genius level and a security clearance. They never say how many people are regular people but often the spouses are not super geniuses. Everyone that lives there works for the company. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter
RE: [scifinoir2] This is scary! Cellphone takes over man's stove
And, when the Terminator franchise comes to vivid reality... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:31:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] This is scary! Cellphone takes over man's stove As things become more web enabled they start running the danger of a virus. What if his cellphone gave his stove a virus? I know its not possible right now but soon...very soon... We already have web enabled stoves and refrigerators. All it takes is some kid on summer vacation to play around with it. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Now, if we were to install Magic Chef ovens in teenagers' cars, texting-while-driving would become a thing of the past. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:22:18 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] This is scary! Cellphone takes over man's stove http://www.switched.com/2009/08/19/cell-phone-inexplicably-turns-on-brooklyn-mans-oven?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try BingT now. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery
RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
As do I. Live and learn, as my friend Lily told me... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:26:47 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Found this on the Web from a synopsis someone wrote of one Eureka ep. Now that I read it, I remember that scene...http://www.recapist.com/2007/08/01/eureka-episode-204-games-people-play Eureka - Episode 204 - Games People Play...Carter's once again having A Very Bad Day, and that's before everyone he cares about starts disappearing on him. First, it's Jo, who disappears on him mid-conversation while moving around the desks in the sheriff's office. When Jack heads over to Cafe Diem to ask if anyone's seen her, he learns two important things: Vincent's gay (or at the very least flexisexual) and nobody's heard of Jo. [When Carter asks about his deputy, Jo, Vincent appears to assume that's a man, Joe] Vincent's pink shirt might have been a tipoff about the flexisexual thing, but the Is he cute? response to Jack's query about his new deputy seals the deal. The thing about nobody remembering Jo (Jack: I have a deputy named Jo Lupo -- small but surprisingly strong, a bit of a gun nut) is more of a shock, frankly. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:23:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
rave, I think that Tarantino's decision not to show too much of Miss Grier falls into the same category as showing too much of The Carla's gams. My first time seeing Jackie Brown was at a family reunion, ina common room of my aunt's house with several of my younger cousins (all 18+, fear not). One of them wondered why she wasn't showing more skin, and I replied by hopping on the computer in the corner of the room and googling an image of her, topless. That pic got printed off several times. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:43:17 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong It was not well received. It only did $39 million at the box office (on the other hand, it only cost $12 mil). I first saw it at an art house with a bunch of Taratino fan boys who hated it because it wasn't Pulp Fiction 2. What it is is another Leonard Elmore book to film adaptation, more in line with Get Shorty and Be Cool than Pulp Fiction. Jackie Brown is full of great performances from the likes of Robert DeNiro (hilariously dim-witted), Samuel L. Jackson (who slowly morphs into Mephistopheles), Bridget Fonda, Michael Keaton, Robert Forster and, last but not least, Pam Grier. Tarantino's showcase homage for blaxploitation queen Grier is chase and respectful - which, alas, may have something to do with the tepid box office. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Is Jackie Brown not a good movie, or not that well received? I've never seen it. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:23:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I love Tarantino. Pulp Fiction is still my favorite movie of all-time. I have seen everything Tarantino has made. I even liked Jackie Brown. I can't wait to see Inglourious Basterds. I was going to go last night, but I decided to go to see District 9 instead. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: After watching Tarentino's one hour manic interview with Charlie Rose, I'm more interested in seeing Basterds. Guy is very smart, very well read, very well versed in history. His movies can be a bit overblown, but that's not it. I can see myself seeing it on cable. I hear it's actually much more of a talky than the grossout violence fest we seem to keep getting fed by the trailers. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:36:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I can’t get up any enthusiasm to see bastards either. Don’t know why. I’m not even sure I will pursue it on cable. It seems like it is some sort of Dirty Dozen tribute and I loved that, but I’m not feeling it. Gotta get a baby sitter so we can go see District 9 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick Thirst? I've heard some good things about it. I saw District 9 yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... * http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner Inglourious Basterds, a pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. Basterds is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi thriller District 9 finished
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Less tha a red shirt? That is priceless! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:56:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius. The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer. No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date:
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
did you like Karen Sisco, Martin? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:22:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong rave, those fantastic gams were on display a few times and, to be honest, they couldn't flash them too much. Any more exposure, and menfolk might miss out on a thing or three. Like the rest of the story... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:41:14 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong While Stay Cool, is a decidedly inferior film to Get Shorty, my friends and I have had hours of fun quoting lines from that movie: Don't give me no damn gun! You know what I'm gonna do with it! Stop hatin', start participatin'. Come on, twinkle twinkle, baby, twinkle twinkle. Wanna take a shot at me kid? Do it. We often do the call and response Dabu (head nod) Player! (with attitude) and Vince Vaughn (and Dwayne (the Rock) Johnson's performances are a hoot! And, of course, there is Sin LaSalle's soliloquy: Have you lost your mind? I mean, how is it that you can disrespect a mans ethnicity when you know we've influenced nearly every facet of white America... from our music to our style of dress. Not to mention your basic imitation of our sense of cool; walk, talk, dress, mannerisms... we enrich your very existence, all the while contributing to the gross national product through our achievements in corporate America. It's these conceits that comfort me when I am faced with the ignorant, cowardly, bitter and bigoted, who *have* no talent, no guts? people like you who desecrate things they don't understand when the truth is - you should say thank-you, man? and go on about your way. But apparently you are incapable of doing that! So...[shoots his gun] I HATED Karen Sisco precisely because the gorgeous Carla Gugino elected to play a real female federal agent who in man pants, oversized jackets and caps pulled down on her head was, yes, cool and tough, but, alas, decidedly NOT sexy. What a waste of Gugino's fabulous gams! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Interesting. I haven't seen Jackie Brown yet, but it's on my list. It's one of those where I keep coming halfway into it on cable. I don't think Pam Grier disrobes anymore for movie roles. Speaking of the other films, I never saw Get Shorty, but had the misfortune of seeing Be Cool, which i found really labored and boring. As for other stuff based on Elmore's books, I *loved* Out of Sight, probably one of--if not the best--movies in which Jennifer Lopez has starred. The cool and easygoing direction of Soderbergh meshed well with Lopez and Clooney. And you know what I really loved? The TV series Karen Sisco, based on Out of Sight. Carla Gugino was perfect in that role as a cool, sexy, tough lady. I think that type of role suits her best. Add Danny Devito, Bill Duke, and Robert Forster as her father, and the cast was perfect. It had the mix of danger, fun, and coolness that Burn Notice is often credited for, but did it years earlier. My wife and I loved the series and were really upset when it was canceled. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:43:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong It was not well received. It only did $39 million at the box office (on the other hand, it only cost $12 mil). I first saw it at an art house with a bunch of Taratino fan boys who hated it because it wasn't Pulp Fiction 2. What it is is another Leonard Elmore book to film adaptation, more in line with Get Shorty and Be Cool than Pulp Fiction. Jackie Brown is full of great performances from the likes of Robert DeNiro (hilariously dim-witted), Samuel L. Jackson (who slowly morphs into Mephistopheles), Bridget Fonda, Michael Keaton, Robert Forster and, last but not least, Pam Grier. Tarantino's showcase homage for blaxploitation queen Grier is chase and respectful - which, alas, may have something to do with the tepid box office. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Is Jackie Brown not a good movie, or not that well received? I've never seen it. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravenadal@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:23:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds
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Sent too soon... I remarked the pink shirt only so far as to marvel at his courage for sporting it. In another forum (SiffyBoards, if memory serves), someone did call him gay for it, and I had to post, in reply, a story I once read on the BBC's news page, explaining that, in many Asian cultures, pink is considered a masculine color, as it blends red for courage and white for purity and spirituality. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:26:47 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Found this on the Web from a synopsis someone wrote of one Eureka ep. Now that I read it, I remember that scene...http://www.recapist.com/2007/08/01/eureka-episode-204-games-people-play Eureka - Episode 204 - Games People Play...Carter's once again having A Very Bad Day, and that's before everyone he cares about starts disappearing on him. First, it's Jo, who disappears on him mid-conversation while moving around the desks in the sheriff's office. When Jack heads over to Cafe Diem to ask if anyone's seen her, he learns two important things: Vincent's gay (or at the very least flexisexual) and nobody's heard of Jo. [When Carter asks about his deputy, Jo, Vincent appears to assume that's a man, Joe] Vincent's pink shirt might have been a tipoff about the flexisexual thing, but the Is he cute? response to Jack's query about his new deputy seals the deal. The thing about nobody remembering Jo (Jack: I have a deputy named Jo Lupo -- small but surprisingly strong, a bit of a gun nut) is more of a shock, frankly. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:23:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah
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Yeah, true. The worst so far for me is the Stride Gum ad that was an episode of Smallville. Remember, it was the *terrible* episode that saw the return of Pete Ross, the token, underused black character on the show. There was a plant that was infusing Green K essence into the gum. Pete would chew a stick and then gain stretching powers a la Mr. Fantastic. Silly show, not just because they brought back Pete to give him another lame storyline, not just because it made one ask again how it is that Green K is omnipresent in Smallville yet still mostlysecret from the outside world . But silly because it was a horrible commercial, horribly writ. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:31:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I figure that to be the Product of the Season. One season, we were bombarded with Degree ads left and right. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:42:31 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts oh, so every single worker there is a genius? Well, I guess that would make it hard to be normal. Wonder why they don't have the same standards for the law enforcement? I also wonder why they don't have more security outside of the sheriff's office? I mean, one minute Carter's ticketing someone for double parking, the next he's trying to close a rupture in spacetime. And those uniforms: too Andy Griffith for me. And speaking of sheriff's accoutrements, have you noticed all the heavy handed Subaru in-episode advertising going on? Jo and Fargo kept saying Subaru Model over and over a couple of shows back. the new police cruiser is positioned so that the camera lingers over the Subaru decal quite a bit. I still find that type of obvious marketing irritating... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:02:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts To live in Eureka you must have a genius level and a security clearance. They never say how many people are regular people but often the spouses are not super geniuses. Everyone that lives there works for the company. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer. No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
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Agreed, sometimes clothing choices are just like hairstyles: it simply depends on the culture as to what they mean. For example, as a child, I could *never* get one single adult to explain to me why long hair on men was considered unsightly, yet every Sunday I worshiped the Son of God whose pictures all showed hair flowing down past his neck. Nor, why we'd all sit around watching BW movies about manly men who were pirates and rogues and Arabian princes and the like, all with earrings, yet when men started piercing their ears in the modern era, it was assumed they were gay. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:36:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Sent too soon... I remarked the pink shirt only so far as to marvel at his courage for sporting it. In another forum (SiffyBoards, if memory serves), someone did call him gay for it, and I had to post, in reply, a story I once read on the BBC's news page, explaining that, in many Asian cultures, pink is considered a masculine color, as it blends red for courage and white for purity and spirituality. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:26:47 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Found this on the Web from a synopsis someone wrote of one Eureka ep. Now that I read it, I remember that scene... h ttp://www.recapist.com/2007/08/01/eureka-episode-204-games-people-play Eureka - Episode 204 - Games People Play ...Carter's once again having A Very Bad Day, and that's before everyone he cares about starts disappearing on him. First, it's Jo, who disappears on him mid-conversation while moving around the desks in the sheriff's office. When Jack heads over to Cafe Diem to ask if anyone's seen her, he learns two important things: Vincent's gay (or at the very least flexisexual) and nobody's heard of Jo. [When Carter asks about his deputy, Jo, Vincent appears to assume that's a man, Joe] Vincent's pink shirt might have been a tipoff about the flexisexual thing, but the Is he cute? response to Jack's query about his new deputy seals the deal. The thing about nobody remembering Jo (Jack: I have a deputy named Jo Lupo -- small but surprisingly strong, a bit of a gun nut) is more of a shock, frankly. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:23:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many
RE: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions
That line of thought is a fundamental consideration in the theories of Miguel Alcubierre, a guy who's working really hard on developing a viable warp drive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:17:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions There was something interesting where they proved you could slow down the speed of light, right? Thus removing it as a constant. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: well, to us, time moves in a linear fashion, from past to future. But that's only for objects that exist at sublight speeds. For any phenomena that move *at* lightspeed, time stands completely still. A photon that left a star from the Andromeda galaxy 2.2 million years ago notes *no* passage of time whatsoever. Ain't that wild? I don't think any current theories allow for us to travel back in time, only forward, or not be affected by it at all. - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:08:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions Yeah, the video is confusing in this regard and at points was off (albeit stylistically cool), but you're right. I still don't think time is linear, however. :) ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: If time were linear (a line), it'd be one dimension. A true line is one dimensional, a plane (like a sheet of paper), would be two dimensional, of course the cube is three, and then the concept of spacetime is associated with four by some Speaking of time, there's a new book out I've heard about where one of the physicists working on the new supercollider in Europe tries to explain Relativity in an easy-to-understand method. It's called Why Does E=mc2? And Why Should We Care? The concept of time is discussed, including why it's truly relative (depending on one's frame of reference only) and why it flows in only one direction, at least for those of use with mass. I listen to a program called Think, from KERA in Dallas. The book's author, Brian Cox, did an hourlong interview recently that was pretty good. You can find the interview here: http://www.kera.org/audio/think.php Einstein's Theory of Relativity [2009-08-12 13:00:00] Is Einstein's theory of relativity too complex for the average Joe to comprehend, or just waiting for the right teacher? We'll discuss common misconceptions about relativity this hour with Brian Cox, particle physicist and co-author of the new book Why Does E=MC2 And Why Should We Care? (DaCapo, 2009). Here's a link to a review of the book. I plan to pick it up soon: http://www.powells.com/biblio/9780306817588 - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:27:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions Observed time isn't a dimension, though. And if it's in a line, it should be two dimensions as a line's two dimensional. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Omari Confer clockwork...@gmail.com wrote: They dont speak of time in its abstractthey refer to time as observed time. Who i was when i began this email...and who I am right now.. c w m On Sun, Aug 23,
RE: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions
True. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:01:39 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions yeah, but i believe the energy requirements are something like that put out by a few billion stars, right? so effectively, not possible, at least, not for humans in a ship who hope to survive for more than a few picoseconds. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:00:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions It's theoretically possible, if you've got a ship, a wormhole and something that generates a heckuva lot of gravity. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:01:15 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions well, to us, time moves in a linear fashion, from past to future. But that's only for objects that exist at sublight speeds. For any phenomena that move *at* lightspeed, time stands completely still. A photon that left a star from the Andromeda galaxy 2.2 million years ago notes *no* passage of time whatsoever. Ain't that wild? I don't think any current theories allow for us to travel back in time, only forward, or not be affected by it at all. - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:08:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions Yeah, the video is confusing in this regard and at points was off (albeit stylistically cool), but you're right. I still don't think time is linear, however. :) ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: If time were linear (a line), it'd be one dimension. A true line is one dimensional, a plane (like a sheet of paper), would be two dimensional, of course the cube is three, and then the concept of spacetime is associated with four by some Speaking of time, there's a new book out I've heard about where one of the physicists working on the new supercollider in Europe tries to explain Relativity in an easy-to-understand method. It's called Why Does E=mc2? And Why Should We Care? The concept of time is discussed, including why it's truly relative (depending on one's frame of reference only) and why it flows in only one direction, at least for those of use with mass. I listen to a program called Think, from KERA in Dallas. The book's author, Brian Cox, did an hourlong interview recently that was pretty good. You can find the interview here: http://www.kera.org/audio/think.php Einstein's Theory of Relativity [2009-08-12 13:00:00] Is Einstein's theory of relativity too complex for the average Joe to comprehend, or just waiting for the right teacher? We'll discuss common misconceptions about relativity this hour with Brian Cox, particle physicist and co-author of the new book Why Does E=MC2 And Why Should We Care? (DaCapo, 2009). Here's a link to a review of the book. I plan to pick it up soon: http://www.powells.com/biblio/9780306817588 - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:27:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions Observed time isn't a dimension, though. And if it's in a line, it should be two dimensions as a line's two dimensional. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Omari Confer clockwork...@gmail.com wrote:
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
I'll keep an eye out for those also, and thanks for the recommends! If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:49:18 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong BTW I highly recommend the other two movies in the Vengeance Trilogy, Sympathy For Mr. Vengeance and Lady Vengeance. They all have something epic about them and it's great to see Chan Wook Park's growth as a filmmaker. I really suggest watching them in order if you have a chance. They all stand alone but it's intersting to see the callbacks and references to Mr. Vengeance and Oldboy in Lady Vengeance. He also has two other films that are worth a look. JSA is a murder mystery set in the DMZ between North and South Korea. I'm A Cyborg But That's OK is a quirky drama about a young woman in a mental hospital. It wasn't my cup of tea but my wife really liked it. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Keith, the good things about Oldboy are more than due. Seeing the movie named in previous posts this morning made me go over the scenes in my head, as best I can remember them, and I'm feeling the thrill of it anew. Haven't found it yet in my travels but, when I do, it's mine. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:16:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I've heard good things about Old Boy, and lots of conversation about the rumored version starring Will Smith. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:45:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong Ok, I will post a review. :) But if she is having nightmares about shrimp I can tell you now that she won't be able to handle Thirst. Some of the images in Old boy was pretty graphic. I didn't bring it up because there isn't any scifi in it. It is an interesting story though. A guy gets snatched off of the street and imprisoned for 15 years in a small hotel looking room. One day he is given 7 days to figure out why he was placed there. Cool movie. It would have never been produced in Hollywood. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Let us know how it is, please. After my wife seeing District 9--a feat I pulled off only because she had *no* clue of what it would be like--I can't sneak in Thirst. She had nightmares about shrimp jumping off a dinner plate and menacing her--no fooling! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie Old boy and was blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am looking forward to the movie because the director is known for making good dark, and twisted films. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick Thirst? I've heard some good things about it. I saw District 9 yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... * http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner Inglourious Basterds, a pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping
RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
Well stated, my friend And, as for the last statement, brand it another triumph for American logic. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:26:51 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts For example, look at how men talked and acted just a century or so ago here. There's lots of talk about Abraham Lincoln being a closet gay because he slept in the same bed with a man who was a very good friend of his. Don't know about that, but back then, men sleeping in the same bed wasn't considered to be all that unusual in many circumstances. You're on the road, rooms are expensive, money's tight--you share a bed. Heck, I can recall even seeing old shows like The Three Stooges or Laurel and Hardy where men shared a bed because of funds and availability, and as a child, it *never* occurred to me that something was untoward. Back then, the humor in the scene was simply two dudes sharing a little bed, maybe one snoring and moving around too much for the other to sleep, but that was it. Nowadays, however, such scenes are fraught with suggestion, and usually played for jokes that all center around the men nervously proclaiming I'm not gay, i'm not enjoying this! to each other. Read letters from some men from the Civil War and Revolutionary War period. You'll see men say about their fellows, things like My heart races when he enters a room, so full of confidence is he, or, My love for you, dear fellow, is unbounded by anything, so much joy have you brought to me. These are usually men who are married with children. Now, were they on the downlow? I don't think so: passions like that were simply more openly expressed, and there wasn't the stigma of being perceived as gay so quickly. But let a man make a statement like that nowadays, and think anyone would just toss it off as normal? Doubtful. Look at all the countries in the world where men kissing each other on the checks is normal, where really warm embraces are nothing unusual. There are Middle Eastern and African countries where men hold hands in public, and it's considered to be absolutely fine. But not in America. Some of this I think is the difference in relationships between men and women. For most of recorded time, women have been seen as wives, mothers, and, sadly, all but servants in some countries. They're there to provide services, have kids, keep the house. But for most countries in most times, men haven't really been taught to see women as equals and real friends. They don't seek their advice in affairs of state, business, or war. In so many countries today, men don't hang out with women after dinner to chat about the world; rather, they retreat to hang with the fellows. That real bonding was left for men, who were out hunting, killing, building, and politicking together. So there seemed to be a bigger emphasis on that strong bond between men that was seen as normal. And I think some of the affection that could have gone to a woman who was respected as a friend as well as a mate, went to the men instead. Nowadays--in America at least--women have gained in respect and position. More men see women as equals, more men like me confide in our wives, seek out their advice in all things. Hell, if I were Prez, you can damn well bet my wife would be advising me on everything from healthcare to military policy! Not sure of all the reasons, but in the last century there's been a major shift in how sexuality is viewed in that way. What was once normal or amusing is now curious and suggestive. I even think of Morris Day: back in the day, he was just a bit of a dandy. now people say, Is Morris Day gay? and even guys who are gay now like to play up their behaviour. Shows like Will and Grace, Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, America's Top Model all showcase men who are extremely stereotyped in their mannerisms. So, my long-winded feeling is that, even if Vincent isn't gay, the way he's acting, people will perceive him as such. When he waves his hands and says I'm NOT going to be offended you didn't ask me to do your wedding cake! one wonders, and I can't believe that's an accidental thing. The truth is most Americans nowadays will thing gay. - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:13:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Yeah, but back in the day that wasn't always taken as gay. Words like dandy were very common, and men of means in many periods were foppish, sniffing their snuff, wearing brightly colored clothes, all but swooning when excited or tired, etc. But nowadays that
RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
Agreed. Now, go find somewhere and let out the scream of terror and loathing building inside you after having to post that. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:48:32 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Yeah, true. The worst so far for me is the Stride Gum ad that was an episode of Smallville. Remember, it was the *terrible* episode that saw the return of Pete Ross, the token, underused black character on the show. There was a plant that was infusing Green K essence into the gum. Pete would chew a stick and then gain stretching powers a la Mr. Fantastic. Silly show, not just because they brought back Pete to give him another lame storyline, not just because it made one ask again how it is that Green K is omnipresent in Smallville yet still mostlysecret from the outside world. But silly because it was a horrible commercial, horribly writ. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:31:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I figure that to be the Product of the Season. One season, we were bombarded with Degree ads left and right. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:42:31 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts oh, so every single worker there is a genius? Well, I guess that would make it hard to be normal. Wonder why they don't have the same standards for the law enforcement? I also wonder why they don't have more security outside of the sheriff's office? I mean, one minute Carter's ticketing someone for double parking, the next he's trying to close a rupture in spacetime. And those uniforms: too Andy Griffith for me. And speaking of sheriff's accoutrements, have you noticed all the heavy handed Subaru in-episode advertising going on? Jo and Fargo kept saying Subaru Model over and over a couple of shows back. the new police cruiser is positioned so that the camera lingers over the Subaru decal quite a bit. I still find that type of obvious marketing irritating... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:02:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts To live in Eureka you must have a genius level and a security clearance. They never say how many people are regular people but often the spouses are not super geniuses. Everyone that lives there works for the company. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong
Loved it. Would have the DVD collection now, if not for a lack of money. Just saw it at the Best Buy near my house. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:36:51 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong did you like Karen Sisco, Martin? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:22:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong rave, those fantastic gams were on display a few times and, to be honest, they couldn't flash them too much. Any more exposure, and menfolk might miss out on a thing or three. Like the rest of the story... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:41:14 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong While Stay Cool, is a decidedly inferior film to Get Shorty, my friends and I have had hours of fun quoting lines from that movie: Don't give me no damn gun! You know what I'm gonna do with it! Stop hatin', start participatin'. Come on, twinkle twinkle, baby, twinkle twinkle. Wanna take a shot at me kid? Do it. We often do the call and response Dabu (head nod) Player! (with attitude) and Vince Vaughn (and Dwayne (the Rock) Johnson's performances are a hoot! And, of course, there is Sin LaSalle's soliloquy: Have you lost your mind? I mean, how is it that you can disrespect a mans ethnicity when you know we've influenced nearly every facet of white America... from our music to our style of dress. Not to mention your basic imitation of our sense of cool; walk, talk, dress, mannerisms... we enrich your very existence, all the while contributing to the gross national product through our achievements in corporate America. It's these conceits that comfort me when I am faced with the ignorant, cowardly, bitter and bigoted, who *have* no talent, no guts? people like you who desecrate things they don't understand when the truth is - you should say thank-you, man? and go on about your way. But apparently you are incapable of doing that! So...[shoots his gun] I HATED Karen Sisco precisely because the gorgeous Carla Gugino elected to play a real female federal agent who in man pants, oversized jackets and caps pulled down on her head was, yes, cool and tough, but, alas, decidedly NOT sexy. What a waste of Gugino's fabulous gams! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Interesting. I haven't seen Jackie Brown yet, but it's on my list. It's one of those where I keep coming halfway into it on cable. I don't think Pam Grier disrobes anymore for movie roles. Speaking of the other films, I never saw Get Shorty, but had the misfortune of seeing Be Cool, which i found really labored and boring. As for other stuff based on Elmore's books, I *loved* Out of Sight, probably one of--if not the best--movies in which Jennifer Lopez has starred. The cool and easygoing direction of Soderbergh meshed well with Lopez and Clooney. And you know what I really loved? The TV series Karen Sisco, based on Out of Sight. Carla Gugino was perfect in that role as a cool, sexy, tough lady. I think that type of role suits her best. Add Danny Devito, Bill Duke, and Robert Forster as her father, and the cast was perfect. It had the mix of danger, fun, and coolness that Burn Notice is often credited for, but did it years earlier. My wife and I loved the series and were really upset when it was canceled. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:43:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds Take Box Office,District 9 Holds Strong It was not well received. It only did $39 million at the box office (on the other hand, it only cost $12 mil). I first saw it at an art house with a bunch of Taratino fan boys who hated it because it wasn't Pulp Fiction 2. What it is is another Leonard Elmore book to film adaptation, more in line with Get Shorty and Be Cool than Pulp Fiction. Jackie Brown is full of great performances from the likes of Robert DeNiro (hilariously dim-witted), Samuel L. Jackson (who slowly morphs into Mephistopheles), Bridget Fonda, Michael
