date:20090828


Tracey, I read this and laughed derisively. No reflection on you, I assure you 
-- merely my inner cynic gaining its voice.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:42:21 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!















 





  








I did not like the casting at first, but for me, you described
Michele Pfeiffer’s portrayal of Catwoman.   I thought she really delivered.  I
wish Nolan would tuck away his gonads and hire an acting heavyweight with a
nice body who is not the flavor of the week

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keith
Johnson

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:19 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!





 











that's
my feeling. I can only see Catwoman work if she's the more dangerous, world
weary, slightly abused one from the reboot after the Crisis. I could see a
storyline where she and Bruce--who's still on the run and hunted as
Batman--become kindred souls who lean on each other. Not so much for mutual
support, but more like falling together because they're both damaged and messed
up--like two drug users becoming lovers. I see a Catwoman who's frankly not
even necessarily all that beautiful--at least, not anymore. Maybe someone who's
so ravaged by life that her beauty is just below the surface.

Nothing in that says Meagan Fox...



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From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:29:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!



  








 
  
  Why should
  there be a CW in this flick anyway?

  

  --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
  wrote:
  

  From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com

  Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!

  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

  Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 12:16 PM
  

  
  
  
  Say it ain’t so.  After Michele
  Pfieffer, I need someone with some acting chops
  
   
  
  
  
  From:
  scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On
  Behalf Of Martin Baxter

  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:30 AM

  To: SciFiNoir2

  Subject: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!
  
  
  
   
  
  

  

  Because you didn't ask for it... Megan Fox is being considered for the role
  of Catwoman in Christopher Nolan's next Bat-flick...

  

  http://wonderwall. msn.com/movies/ The-Shortlist- for-Aug-26-
  3865.gallery? GT1=28135# m=oZghMddAdLu

  

  If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
  bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

  

  http://www.youtube.
  com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

  

  
  
  
  
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RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against Roma


Keith, I'll answer you with very little. Humanity=pathetic.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:05:58 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against 
Roma















 





  
Sad. I wonder how many Americans know anything about the Roma, outside of what 
they've seen in movies?

***
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/madonna-booed-in-bucharest-for-defending-gypsies/26947?nc

BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers 
sharing a stage with Madonna. Then the pop star 
condemned widespread discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies — and 
the cheers gave way to jeers.

The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park 
for Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies 
remains 
deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe.

Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights 
advocates say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more 
discrimination than any other people group on the continent.

Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma 
have been killed and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially 
motivated attacks targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled by 
Gypsies.

There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. 
They have historically been the underdog, Radu Motoc, an official with the 
Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday.

Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in 
the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern 
Europe, but hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades 
in search of jobs and better living conditions.

Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say 
the population could be as high as 2 million, although official data put it at 
500,000.

Until the 19th century, Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and 
they've gotten a mixed response ever since: While discrimination is widespread, 
many East Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music and dance, which they 
embrace as part of the region's cultural heritage.

That explains why the Roma musicians and a dancer who had briefly joined 
Madonna 
onstage got enthusiastic applause. And it also may explain why some in the 
crowd 
turned on Madonna when she 
paused during the two-hour show — a stop on her worldwide Sticky and Sweet 
tour — to touch on their plight.

It has been brought to my attention ... that there is a lot of 
discrimination against Romanies and Gypsies in general in Eastern Europe, she 
said. It made me feel very sad.

Thousands booed and jeered her.

A few cheered when she added: We don't believe in discrimination ... we 
believe in freedom and equal rights for everyone. But she got more boos when 
she mentioned discrimination against homosexuals and others.

I jeered her because it seemed false what she was telling us. What business 
does she have telling us these things? said Ionut Dinu, 23.

Madonna did not react 
and carried on with her concert, held near the hulking palace of the late 
communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu.

Her publicist, Liz Rosenberg, said Madonna and other had told her 
there were cheers as well as jeers.

Madonna has been 
touring with a phenomenal troupe of Roma musicians who made her aware of the 
discrimination toward them in several countries so she felt compelled to make a 
brief statement, Rosenberg said in an e-mail. She will not be issuing a 
further statement.

One Roma musician said the attitude toward Gypsies is contradictory.

Romanians watch Gypsy soap operas, they like Gypsy music and go to Gypsy 
concerts, said Damian Draghici, a Grammy Award-winner who has performed with 
James 
Brown and Joe Cocker. 

But there has been a wave of aggression against Roma people in Italy, 
Hungary and Romania, which shows me something is not 
OK, he told the AP in an interview. The politicians have to do something 
about 
it. People have to be educated not to be prejudiced. All people are equal, and 
that is the message politicians must give. 

Nearly one in two of Europe's estimated 12 million Roma claimed 
to have suffered an act of discrimination over the past 12 months, according to 
a recent report by the Vienna-based EU Fundamental Rights Agency. The group 
says 
Roma face overt discrimination in housing, health care and education. 

Many do not have official identification, which means they cannot get social 
benefits, are undereducated and struggle to find decent jobs. 

Roma children are more likely to drop out of school than their peers from 
other ethnic groups. Many Romanians label Gypsies as thieves,

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton


No. Very often, if I didn't catch them the first time around, I waited up for 
the re-airing a couple of hours later. If I missed that, then I had to wait 
until the ep cycled back around.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:22:59 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton















 





  
so, did you record Stargate Atlantis, BSG, and Sanctuary when they were on?

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From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:54:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton







 





  


The only reason I don't watch it after Eureka as offered is because of my 
health. I tire out more easily than I used to, and I'll nod off in my chair, 
missing the good stuff.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:14:09 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton















 





  








I like watching Warehouse with Eureka on Fridays.  Can’t wait to
see him back to back

 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:03 AM

To: SciFiNoir2

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton





 





D'OH! Completely *forgot* about Warehouse 13!



If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik















To:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:20:25 +

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton



  







 



The
third Eureka star on the show. The actress who plays Jo, and the
guy who plays her boyfriend were on last night. Great show by the way!



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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:17:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton



  







Did anyone see the commercial for Warehouse 13's next episode? Joe
Martin guest stars on it. 







On
Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
wrote:







Angela, that's a truly inspired thought.



If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik















To:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: asrobin...@mindspring.com

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:15:37 +

Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton



  







I've been a fan since The Brother from Another Planet
as well.



Was sorry to see him blow in T2. Even when the wife appears in TSCC, you go
back to the moment when he couldn't hold down that det switch any
longer...maybe the Resistance finds his DNA in the future and brings him back
to write the code needed to take out the Terminators?



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com,
Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote:



 

 As do I.

 

 In an entirely manly way, of course.

 

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

 

 

 

 

 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

 From: tdli...@...

 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:29:15 -0700

 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Look ahead. I LOVE JOE MORTON. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 From:

 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Keith

 Johnson

 

 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:42 PM

 

 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

 

 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Hey

 what gives? No other love for Joe Morton?

 

 

 

 Surely I can't the only one who's seen The Brother from Another
Planet,

 or who likes John Sayles?? :(

 

 

 

 - Original Message -

 

 From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@...

 

 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

 

 Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:41:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

 

 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 I

 can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to Eureka.
Morton's

 one of

RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!


As always, perfect sense in those words.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:19:22 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!















 





  
that's my feeling. I can only see Catwoman work if she's the more dangerous, 
world weary, slightly abused one from the reboot after the Crisis. I could see 
a storyline where she and Bruce--who's still on the run and hunted as 
Batman--become kindred souls who lean on each other. Not so much for mutual 
support, but more like falling together because they're both damaged and messed 
up--like two drug users becoming lovers. I see a Catwoman who's frankly not 
even necessarily all that beautiful--at least, not anymore. Maybe someone who's 
so ravaged by life that her beauty is just below the surface.
Nothing in that says Meagan Fox...

- Original Message -
From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:29:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!







 





  Why should there be a CW in this flick anyway?

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
wrote:


From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 12:16 PM


  



Say it ain’t so.  After Michele Pfieffer, I need someone with some acting chops

 


From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On 
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:30 AM
To: SciFiNoir2
Subject: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!
 


Because you didn't ask for it... Megan Fox is being considered for the role of 
Catwoman in Christopher Nolan's next Bat-flick...

http://wonderwall. msn.com/movies/ The-Shortlist- for-Aug-26- 3865.gallery? 
GT1=28135# m=oZghMddAdLu

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against Roma

2009-08-28 Thread Daryle Lockhart

It's weird, because while I understand what Madonna was trying to  
do...she's American. From Detroit. I know she changes accents  every  
two years, but the world sees her as American. Going somewhere and  
talking against discrimination is not exactly  going to  be received  
well. America may not have invented discrimination, but as far as the  
world's concerned, it is the world capital.


THIS is what Americans need to be aware of. If nobody is trying to  
hear MADONNA talk about discrimination...we have a real PR problem  
overseas.


At the same time,  This is Madonna. PR QUEEN.  Be honest,  how many  
of you  even knew she was ON tour? Ya do now. And that's what Madonna  
does. She gets press. Always has.


On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:37 AM, Tracey de Morsella wrote:



Thanks for the interesting read. I will pass it on



From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:06 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming  
Discrimination Against Roma








Sad. I wonder how many Americans know anything about the Roma,  
outside of what they've seen in movies?


***
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/madonna-booed-in-bucharest-for-defending- 
gypsies/26947?nc


BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma  
performers sharing a stage with Madonna. Then the pop star  
condemned widespread discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies — and  
the cheers gave way to jeers.


The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had  
packed a park for Wednesday night's concert, underscores how  
prejudice against Gypsies remains deeply entrenched across Eastern  
Europe.


Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human  
rights advocates say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and  
endure more discrimination than any other people group on the  
continent.


Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have  
been killed and several wounded in a recent series of apparently  
racially motivated attacks targeting small countryside villages  
predominantly settled by Gypsies.


There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in  
Eastern Europe. They have historically been the underdog, Radu  
Motoc, an official with the Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday.


Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their  
roots in the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and  
eastern Europe, but hundreds of thousands have migrated west over  
the past few decades in search of jobs and better living conditions.


Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the  
population could be as high as 2 million, although official data  
put it at 500,000.


Until the 19th century, Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and they've  
gotten a mixed response ever since: While discrimination is  
widespread, many East Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music  
and dance, which they embrace as part of the region's cultural  
heritage.


That explains why the Roma musicians and a dancer who had briefly  
joined Madonna onstage got enthusiastic applause. And it also may  
explain why some in the crowd turned on Madonna when she paused  
during the two-hour show — a stop on her worldwide Sticky and  
Sweet tour — to touch on their plight.


It has been brought to my attention ... that there is a lot of  
discrimination against Romanies and Gypsies in general in Eastern  
Europe, she said. It made me feel very sad.


Thousands booed and jeered her.

A few cheered when she added: We don't believe in  
discrimination ... we believe in freedom and equal rights for  
everyone. But she got more boos when she mentioned discrimination  
against homosexuals and others.


I jeered her because it seemed false what she was telling us. What  
business does she have telling us these things? said Ionut Dinu, 23.


Madonna did not react and carried on with her concert, held near  
the hulking palace of the late communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu.


Her publicist, Liz Rosenberg, said Madonna and other had told her  
there were cheers as well as jeers.


Madonna has been touring with a phenomenal troupe of Roma  
musicians who made her aware of the discrimination toward them in  
several countries so she felt compelled to make a brief statement,  
Rosenberg said in an e-mail. She will not be issuing a further  
statement.


One Roma musician said the attitude toward Gypsies is contradictory.

Romanians watch Gypsy soap operas, they like Gypsy music and go to  
Gypsy concerts, said Damian Draghici, a Grammy Award-winner who  
has performed with James Brown and Joe Cocker.


But there has been a wave of aggression against Roma people in  
Italy, Hungary and Romania, which shows me something is not OK, he  
told the AP in an interview. The politicians have to do something  
about it.

RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!


(standing ovation, while LNAO @ Keith calling Fox a child)

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:08:01 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!















 





  
You know my feelings about stunt casting. I'm not convinced the child can act, 
and I sure as hell don't want her slinking on the screen just looking good in a 
catsuit. Catwoman is--should be--a more complex, nuanced character. Despite the 
Julie Newmar/Eartha Kitt/Lee Meriwether/Halle Berry portrayals, her character 
can be fascinating. I'm looking for something more like the Catwoman from the 
Year One books after the DC Universe reboot brought on by the Crisis on 
Infinite Earths.

Chris Nolan has mostly done great casting the Bat movies--with the horrible 
exception of Katie Holmes. I hope this is just gossip and he's not going to do 
this. Even if Catwoman is in the movie--and you know my vote is for Talia Al 
ghul instead--I'd hope he goes with a relative unknown actress who can actually 
bring some meat to the role.

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From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:29:57 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!







 





  


Because you didn't ask for it... Megan Fox is being considered for the role of 
Catwoman in Christopher Nolan's next Bat-flick...

http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/The-Shortlist-for-Aug-26-3865.gallery?GT1=28135#m=oZghMddAdLu

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
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RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation


Keith, until that movie, I always took it as given that shields were on a 
cyclic frequency rotation, as Trek did when dealing with the Borg.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:58:03 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation















 





  
Good scene. But I could never cotton with the whole way the Klingons penetrated 
the shields. Since when do you need to see a shield frequency on a console in 
order to determine what it is? Surely a simple scan could detect shield 
frequencies, just as sensors can always report that a ship brings up its 
shields in the first place. I also don't understand how simply matching 
frequencies allows a torpedo through. If it were that easy, all space battles 
in the Trek universe would be short and sweet: simply scan the frequency, set 
the weapon and poof! Shields are bypassed.

Okay, enough of the buzz kill!


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To: Sci Fi scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Black SciFi blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:22:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation







 





  Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work 
and watching 'Star Trek: Generations' on HBO2.  The saucer section separates 
from the star drive section as the warp core breeches.  the resulting shock 
wave knocks the saucer section out of orbit and into the atmosphere.  then u 
get classic Data.  he has the emotion chip activated and he is watching the 
view screen.   the camera shows his face - full on - and he smiles and says Oh 
shit!  simply classic!

Fate.   



  

 

  












 

  














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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton


No, Tracey, but I won't think any *more* of them. I won't hesitate to steer 
people away from their service. (Or lack thereof, rather.)

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:42:38 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton















 





  








I guess you won’t be spitting at Comcrap anymore

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Martin
Baxter

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:02 PM

To: SciFiNoir2

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton





 





If the DirectTV guys ever get here, I'll have one of my own.



If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik















To:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:12:40 -0700

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton



  







I think you need Tivo! :) 







On
Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:16 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
wrote:







No, Mr Worf. Somehow, sitting right here in front of my TV, with it on, I
missed the show. I'll have to catch it tomorrow after Eureka.







If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik















To:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com



From:
hellomahog...@gmail.com

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:17:10 -0700







Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton



  















Did anyone see the commercial for Warehouse
13's next episode? Joe Martin guest stars on it. 







On
Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
wrote:







Angela, that's a truly inspired thought.



If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik















To:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: asrobin...@mindspring.com

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:15:37 +

Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton



  







I've been a fan since The Brother
from Another Planet as well.



Was sorry to see him blow in T2. Even when the wife appears in TSCC, you go
back to the moment when he couldn't hold down that det switch any longer...maybe
the Resistance finds his DNA in the future and brings him back to write the
code needed to take out the Terminators?



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com,
Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote:



 

 As do I.

 

 In an entirely manly way, of course.

 

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

 

 

 

 

 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

 From: tdli...@...

 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:29:15 -0700

 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Look ahead. I LOVE JOE MORTON. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 From:

 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Keith

 Johnson

 

 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:42 PM

 

 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

 

 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Hey

 what gives? No other love for Joe Morton?

 

 

 

 Surely I can't the only one who's seen The Brother from Another
Planet,

 or who likes John Sayles?? :(

 

 

 

 - Original Message -

 

 From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@...

 

 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

 

 Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:41:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

 

 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 I

 can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to Eureka.
Morton's

 one of those actors with a face and bearing you just trust and respect. He
can

 play a likeable guy, a strong leader, a tortured and confused soul. I have

 followed him for years, whether it's been great turns in John Sayles

 flicks--and it's saying a lot that Morton is a fav of Sayles'--having the
lead

 in the shortlived TV series Under One Roof, playing a
memorable

 role as a former boxer turned transvestite on New York
Undercover,

 or even his guest stint as Whitley's love interest on A Different

 World. Even his bit in Terminator 2 is memorable. The

 anguish he feels at what his work has caused for the future is palpable,
and I

 hated to see the character die. 

 

 

 

 It's a crime that Morton hasn't gotten the major roles and respect

RE: [scifinoir2] Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang


As do I, Mr Worf.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:05:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang















 





  I want to know when there will be a valid competitor that 
will put them out of their misery. 


On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
wrote:


























One more reason why I'm moving away from their fine service. :P

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:24:43 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang















 





  They have been telling that lie for years. Their dvrs are hit 
and miss. I have gone through 3 or 4 since they started the service. 


On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
wrote:



























Can't agree more, Keith. I still can't quite get Boomerang on my set yet. The 
digital signal keeps popping in and out constantly. Comcrap says that they may 
have given us bad set-top boxes. *Four* of them...



(spit!)

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:25:44 +


Subject: [scifinoir2] Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang















 





  
For the past couple of weeks I've been enjoying reruns of this, one of the 
greatest animated series I've ever seen. If you've never seen Samurai Jack, 
then do yourself a favor and check it out. Don't let the oddly flat looking 
animation throw you. Don't be turned off by the idea of a Samurai nicknamed 
Jack in a strange future. If you see a couple of eps that seem kinda silly or 
light, don't give up. Tartokovsky crafted an incredibly good show here, full of 
action, adventure, and some surprisingly effective drama. I can think of a 
couple of shows that literally had my mouth hanging open, and a couple that had 
me near misty eyed (see Jack battle the cursed Viking warrior for example).  
It's fun when they riff on that anime standard of characters freezing in 
moments of high action: you know, when a character delivers a fatal sword 
stroke, then freezes in that move, while the enemy dies, or explodes, as the 
case is here. There's good music, good writing, and memorable characters.



If Boomerang had to replace Justice League, this is one of the better choices 
to take its place.


 

  














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[scifinoir2] Blonde in the Bayou

Blonde in the Bayou


A young blonde woman was driving through Southern Louisiana while on Vacation. 
She
wanted to take home a pair of genuine alligator shoes in the Worst way,
but was very reluctant to pay the high prices the local vendors were
asking.


After becoming very frustrated with the attitude of one of the
shopkeepers. the young blonde declared, Well then, maybe I'll just go
out and catch my own alligator and get a pair of shoes for free!


The shopkeeper said with a sly smile, Well little lady, why don't you go on 
and give it a try?
The blonde headed off to the swamp, determined to catch an alligator..

Later in the day, as the shopkeeper is driving home, he spots the same young

woman standing waist deep in the murky water, shotgun in hand.. As he
brings his car to a stop, he sees a huge 9-foot gator swimming rapidly
toward her. With lightning reflexes, the Blonde takes aim, shoots the
creature and hauls it 

up onto the slippery bank. Nearby were 7 more dead gators, all lying belly up.

The
shopkeeper stood on the bank, watching in silent amazement. The blonde
struggles mightily and manages to flip the gator onto its back.


Rolling her eyes heavenward, she screams in frustration, CRAP! THIS ONE'S
BAREFOOT, TOO!

RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation

Martin and Keith,

i am going 2 try 2 answer those 2 questions.  as best i can and try 2 make it 
sound plausible.  first, i think that the shields rotate frequencies when they 
fought the borg because the borg could adapt 2 whatever so quick.  so the best 
strategy against them was to rotate the shield frequencies (just like they did 
with the phasers).   as for them not being able 2 scan frequencies, it's just 
like communications.  they are encrypted so that someone could not just tap in 
the steal the frequencies.  if u remember the ST:TNG epsisode where the 
Starfleet Captain was attacking the Cardassians, Chief O'Brien had served on 
the ship with the captain and told Captain Picard that that ship shields 
frequency waswell, whatever the number was and they it recycled 
every so many seconds.   so that is when I knew that the shields were on a set 
freq.   how's that ?  does that sound plausible?

Fate.

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:31 AM






 





  


Keith, until that movie, I always took it as given that shields were on a 
cyclic frequency rotation, as Trek did when dealing with the Borg.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:58:03 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation















 





  
Good scene. But I could never cotton with the whole way the Klingons penetrated 
the shields. Since when do you need to see a shield frequency on a console in 
order to determine what it is? Surely a simple scan could detect shield 
frequencies, just as sensors can always report that a ship brings up its 
shields in the first place. I also don't understand how simply matching 
frequencies allows a torpedo through. If it were that easy, all space battles 
in the Trek universe would be short and sweet: simply scan the frequency, set 
the weapon and poof! Shields are bypassed.

Okay, enough of the buzz kill!


- Original Message -
From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com
To: Sci Fi scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Cc: Black SciFi blackscifihorrorfan tasyclub@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:22:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation







 





  Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work 
and watching 'Star Trek: Generations' on HBO2.  The saucer section separates 
from the star drive section as the warp core breeches.  the resulting shock 
wave knocks the saucer section out of orbit and into the atmosphere.  then u 
get classic Data.  he has the emotion chip activated and he is watching the 
view screen.   the camera shows his face - full on - and he smiles and says Oh 
shit!  simply classic!

Fate.   



  

 

  












 

  














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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!

Angela / Tasheka

I'll bite your necks :-)

Fate.

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, tasheka4 tashe...@netzero.com wrote:

From: tasheka4 tashe...@netzero.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 1:28 AM

  Angela,

I feel you.  I don't have HBO either.  I saw Season 1 of True Blood on DVD when 
it came out, but I hate that I have to wait until the season is over to see 
Season 2.  Everyone I know who's watching it says it's even better than Season 
1.

Tasheka

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, angelababycat asrobinson@ ... wrote:

 Since I ONLY have the 3,333 stations that come with basic satellite (and 
 hence no HBO), I just purchased the DVDs for Season 1 this week.  Four eps 
 in, I'm still loving it...think maybe I want to date a vampire one day...

 Angela

 --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote:

  You explain my tortured relationship with the show perfectly.  

  I suspect my husband feels similarly.  He makes fun of me watching it as he

  walks by and ends up dropping everything and sitting down to watch the whole

  thing with me.  If I invited him to watch he wouldn't, but he has seen the

  last three episodes with me.  The only reason he did not see other episodes

  is because he was not here when I watch. Now that I know he secretly likes

  it, I put it on demand when he is around.   

  But.. he's not a fan

  -Original Message-

  From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On

  Behalf Of ravenadal

  Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:03 PM

  To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

  Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!

  This season of True Blood has been a hot mess!  Watching I often  feel

  like Rosario Dawson's character in Clerks II when she walks in on a man

  having sex with a donkey in the middle of the fast food emporium she

  manages: I'm disgusted and repulsed and...and(yet) I can't look away!

  I was elated that Lafayette was back but I was totally not feeling his

  chained in the basement arc.  I would have almost preferred for him to have

  died (as he did in the book) than to see him chained up like a dog.

  ~(no)rave!

  --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote:

   Anybody watching True Blood? What do you think.  Warning. I'm one week

   behind, so protect me from spoilers

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this is too funny.

Fate.







 





  
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RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against Roma

2009-08-28 Thread George Arterberry

While stationed in Bosnia/Croatia/Hungary I saw the pure hate directed towards 
them .
--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
Against Roma
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:20 AM

Keith, I'll answer you with very little. Humanity=pathetic.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:05:58 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against 
Roma

Sad. I wonder how many Americans know anything about the Roma, outside of what 
they've seen in movies?

 * * * * ***
http://omg.yahoo. com/news/ madonna-booed- in-bucharest- for-defending- 
gypsies/26947? nc

BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers 
sharing a stage with Madonna. Then the pop star condemned widespread 
discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies — and the cheers gave way to jeers.
The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park for 
Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies remains 
deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe.
Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights advocates 
say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more discrimination than 
any other people group on the continent.
Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have been killed 
and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially motivated attacks 
targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled by Gypsies.
There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. 
They have historically been the underdog, Radu Motoc, an official with the 
Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday.
Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in 
the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe, but 
hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in search of 
jobs and better living conditions.
Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the population 
could be as high as 2 million, although official data put it at 500,000.
Until the 19th century, Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and they've gotten a 
mixed response ever since: While discrimination is widespread, many East 
Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music and dance, which they embrace as 
part of the region's cultural heritage.
That explains why the Roma musicians and a dancer who had briefly joined 
Madonna onstage got enthusiastic applause. And it also may explain why some in 
the crowd turned on Madonna when she paused during the two-hour show — a stop 
on her worldwide Sticky and Sweet tour — to touch on their plight.
It has been brought to my attention ... that there is a lot of discrimination 
against Romanies and Gypsies in general in Eastern Europe, she said. It made 
me feel very sad.
Thousands booed and jeered her.
A few cheered when she added: We don't believe in discrimination ... we 
believe in freedom and equal rights for everyone. But she got more boos when 
she mentioned discrimination against homosexuals and others.
I jeered her because it seemed false what she was telling us. What business 
does she have telling us these things? said Ionut Dinu, 23.
Madonna did not react and carried on with her concert, held near the hulking 
palace of the late communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu.
Her publicist, Liz Rosenberg, said Madonna and other had told her there were 
cheers as well as jeers.
Madonna has been touring with a phenomenal troupe of Roma musicians who made 
her aware of the discrimination toward them in several countries so she felt 
compelled to make a brief statement, Rosenberg said in an e-mail. She will 
not be issuing a further statement.
One Roma musician said the attitude toward Gypsies is contradictory.
Romanians watch Gypsy soap operas, they like Gypsy music and go to Gypsy 
concerts, said Damian Draghici, a Grammy Award-winner who has performed with 
James Brown and Joe Cocker. 
But there has been a wave of aggression against Roma people in Italy, Hungary 
and Romania, which shows me something is not OK, he told the AP in an 
interview. The politicians have to do something about it. People have to be 
educated not to be prejudiced. All people are equal, and that is the message 
politicians must give. 
Nearly one in two of Europe's estimated 12 million Roma claimed to have 
suffered an act of discrimination over the past 12 months, according to a 
recent report by the Vienna-based EU Fundamental Rights Agency. The group says 
Roma face overt

RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation

George,

how could u say that?  how could u not feel touched when Picard got the news of 
his brother and nephew?  when he was discussing it with Troi.  Patrick showed 
that he is a real Thespian in those scene's?  i even enjoyed the banter between 
Kirk and Chekov when Chekov introduced him 2 Sulu's daughter.  when he and kirk 
were alone, Pavel says I was never that young and Kirk shoots back, no, you 
were younger.  that was also classic.  now, back to Picard.  when he was in 
the nexus, the joy on his face.  the emotion he showed when he for a moment 
thought that he really could have a family.  come on George, it was a few 
really good, sorry, your word, decent scenes in this one.

Fate.

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 11:14 AM






 





  Only decent part of the movie.That and Starfleet  ships at 
the end doing the cleanup effort.

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com wrote:


From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation
To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 7:49 AM


  

Makes me smile every time, Fate.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
CC: blackscifihorrorfan tasyclub@ yahoogroups. com
From: jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:22:42 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation

  






Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work and watching 'Star 
Trek: Generations' on HBO2.  The saucer section separates from the star drive 
section as the warp core breeches.  the resulting shock wave knocks the saucer 
section out of orbit and into the atmosphere.  then u get classic Data.  he has 
the emotion chip activated and he is watching the view screen.   the camera 
shows his face - full on - and he smiles and says Oh shit!  simply classic!

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[scifinoir2] Re: Eating while black in Atlanta

Keith, as on many subjects, as a foodie you are a wise and generous man.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote:

 Great review. And I must take pride at being the one who recommended the spot 
 to you, as my wife and I eat there whenever we can. They do have some of the 
 best buttermilk pancakes in the city! 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: ravenadal ravena...@... 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:41:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Eating while black in Atlanta 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Holy Casting Call, Batman!

I thought that was what casting couches were for.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote:

 
 George, because Megan's somehow made herself the Flavor of the Year. And 
 Chris Nolan apparently has hormones.
 
 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
 hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
 
 
 
 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 From: brotherfromhow...@...
 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:29:18 -0700
 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
   Why should there be a CW in this flick anyway?
 
 --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote:
 
 
 From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@...
 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 12:16 PM
 
 
   
 
 
 
 Say it ain't so.  After Michele Pfieffer, I need someone with some acting 
 chops
 
  
 
 
 From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On 
 Behalf Of Martin Baxter
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:30 AM
 To: SciFiNoir2
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!
  
 
 
 Because you didn't ask for it... Megan Fox is being considered for the role 
 of Catwoman in Christopher Nolan's next Bat-flick...
 
 http://wonderwall. msn.com/movies/ The-Shortlist- for-Aug-26- 3865.gallery? 
 GT1=28135# m=oZghMddAdLu
 
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[scifinoir2] Africa in sci-fi

2009-08-28 Thread George Arterberry


Ever notice how Africa is rarely a centerpeice in sci-fi literature. I've read 
a many a novel and its barely mentioned.Even in Star Trek novelization Uhura 
was from the United States of Africa.
 
Read one book that stated after WW3 , major industry shifted to Africa as 
worlds governments struggled to rebound.

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Holy Casting Call, Batman!


All part of the process.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:53:14 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Holy Casting Call, Batman!















 





  I thought that was what casting couches were for.



~rave!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote:



 

 George, because Megan's somehow made herself the Flavor of the Year. And 
 Chris Nolan apparently has hormones.

 

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
 hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

 

 

 

 

 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

 From: brotherfromhow...@...

 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:29:18 -0700

 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

   Why should there be a CW in this flick anyway?

 

 --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote:

 

 

 From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@...

 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!

 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

 Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 12:16 PM

 

 

   

 

 

 

 Say it ain't so.  After Michele Pfieffer, I need someone with some acting 
 chops

 

  

 

 

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 Because you didn't ask for it... Megan Fox is being considered for the role 
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RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation


I'm with you on that, Fate.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:58:33 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation















 





  George,

how could u say that?  how could u not feel touched when Picard got the news of 
his brother and nephew?  when he was discussing it with Troi.  Patrick showed 
that he is a real Thespian in those scene's?  i even enjoyed the banter between 
Kirk and Chekov when Chekov introduced him 2 Sulu's daughter.  when he and kirk 
were alone, Pavel says I was never that young and Kirk shoots back, no, you 
were younger.  that was also classic.  now, back to Picard.  when he was in 
the nexus, the joy on his face.  the emotion he showed when he for a moment 
thought that he really could have a family.  come on George, it was a few 
really good, sorry, your word, decent scenes in this one.

Fate.

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 11:14 AM






 


  Only decent part of the movie.That and Starfleet  ships at 
the end doing the cleanup effort.

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com wrote:


From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation
To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 7:49 AM


  

Makes me smile every time, Fate.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
CC: blackscifihorrorfan tasyclub@ yahoogroups. com
From: jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:22:42 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation

  






Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work and watching 'Star 
Trek: Generations' on HBO2.  The saucer section separates from the star drive 
section as the warp core breeches.  the resulting shock wave knocks the saucer 
section out of orbit and into the atmosphere.  then u get classic Data.  he has 
the emotion chip activated and he is watching the view screen.   the camera 
shows his face - full on - and he smiles and says Oh shit!  simply classic!

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RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against Roma


I've seen it first-hand as well, George, when, back in my Salad Daze, I 
traveled Europe frequently.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:54:51 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
Against Roma















 





  While stationed in Bosnia/Croatia/Hungary I saw the pure hate 
directed towards them .
--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:


From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
Against Roma
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:20 AM


  

Keith, I'll answer you with very little. Humanity=pathetic.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:05:58 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against 
Roma

  




Sad. I wonder how many Americans know anything about the Roma, outside of what 
they've seen in movies?

 * * * * ***
http://omg.yahoo. com/news/ madonna-booed- in-bucharest- for-defending- 
gypsies/26947? nc

BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers 
sharing a stage with Madonna. Then the pop star condemned widespread 
discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies — and the cheers gave way to jeers.
The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park for 
Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies remains 
deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe.
Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights advocates 
say Roma probably
 suffer more humiliation and endure more discrimination than any other people 
group on the continent.
Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have been killed 
and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially motivated attacks 
targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled by Gypsies.
There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. 
They have historically been the underdog, Radu Motoc, an official with the 
Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday.
Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in 
the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe, but 
hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in search of 
jobs and better living conditions.
Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the population 
could be as high as 2 million, although
 official data put it at 500,000.
Until the 19th century, Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and they've gotten a 
mixed response ever since: While discrimination is widespread, many East 
Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music and dance, which they embrace as 
part of the region's cultural heritage.
That explains why the Roma musicians and a dancer who had briefly joined 
Madonna onstage got enthusiastic applause. And it also may explain why some in 
the crowd turned on Madonna when she paused during the two-hour show — a stop 
on her worldwide Sticky and Sweet tour — to touch on their plight.
It has been brought to my attention ... that there is a lot of discrimination 
against Romanies and Gypsies in general in Eastern Europe, she said. It made 
me feel very
 sad.
Thousands booed and jeered her.
A few cheered when she added: We don't believe in discrimination ... we 
believe in freedom and equal rights for everyone. But she got more boos when 
she mentioned discrimination against homosexuals and others.
I jeered her because it seemed false what she was telling us. What business 
does she have telling us these things? said Ionut Dinu, 23.
Madonna did not react and carried on with her concert, held near the hulking 
palace of the late communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu.
Her publicist, Liz Rosenberg, said Madonna and other had told her there were 
cheers as well as jeers.
Madonna has been touring with a phenomenal troupe of Roma musicians who made 
her
 aware of the discrimination toward them in several countries so she felt 
compelled to make a brief statement, Rosenberg said in an e-mail. She will 
not be issuing a further statement.
One Roma musician said the attitude toward Gypsies is contradictory.
Romanians watch Gypsy soap operas, they like Gypsy music and go to Gypsy 
concerts, said Damian Draghici, a Grammy Award-winner who has performed with 
James Brown and Joe Cocker. 
But there has been a wave of aggression against Roma people in Italy,

RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation


It does, Fate.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:31:54 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation















 





  Martin and Keith,

i am going 2 try 2 answer those 2 questions.  as best i can and try 2 make it 
sound plausible.  first, i think that the shields rotate frequencies when they 
fought the borg because the borg could adapt 2 whatever so quick.  so the best 
strategy against them was to rotate the shield frequencies (just like they did 
with the phasers).   as for them not being able 2 scan frequencies, it's just 
like communications.  they are encrypted so that someone could not just tap in 
the steal the frequencies.  if u remember the ST:TNG epsisode where the 
Starfleet Captain was attacking the Cardassians, Chief O'Brien had served on 
the ship with the captain and told Captain Picard that that ship shields 
frequency waswell, whatever the number was and they it recycled 
every so many seconds.   so that
 is when I knew that the shields were on a set freq.   how's that ?  does that 
sound plausible?

Fate.

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:31 AM






 


  


Keith, until that movie, I always took it as given that shields were on a 
cyclic frequency rotation, as Trek did when dealing with the Borg.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:58:03 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation















 





  
Good scene. But I could never cotton with the whole way the Klingons penetrated 
the shields. Since when do you need to see a shield frequency on a console in 
order to determine what it is? Surely a simple scan could detect shield 
frequencies, just as sensors can always report that a ship brings up its 
shields in the first place. I also don't understand how simply matching 
frequencies allows a torpedo through. If it were that easy, all space battles 
in the Trek universe would be short and sweet: simply scan the frequency, set 
the weapon and poof! Shields are bypassed.

Okay, enough of the buzz kill!


- Original Message -
From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com
To: Sci Fi scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Cc: Black SciFi blackscifihorrorfan tasyclub@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, August 27,
 2009 7:22:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation







 





  Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work 
and watching 'Star Trek: Generations' on HBO2.  The saucer section separates 
from the star drive section as the warp core breeches.  the resulting shock 
wave knocks the saucer section out of orbit and into the atmosphere.  then u 
get classic Data.  he has the emotion chip activated and he is watching the 
view screen.   the camera shows his face - full on - and he smiles and says Oh 
shit!  simply classic!

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[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against Roma

2009-08-28 Thread daikaiju66

I was aware of it. There is a great documentary about Django Reindhart that 
offers a glimpse into the treatment of the Roma today throughout Europe. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... 
wrote:

 While stationed in Bosnia/Croatia/Hungary I saw the pure hate directed 
 towards them .
 --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote:
 
 
 From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@...
 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
 Against Roma
 To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:20 AM
 
 
 Â  
 
 
 
 Keith, I'll answer you with very little. Humanity=pathetic.
 
 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
 hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
 
 http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
 
 
 
 
 
 
 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
 From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:05:58 +
 Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against 
 Roma
 
 Â  
 
 
 
 
 Sad. I wonder how many Americans know anything about the Roma, outside of 
 what they've seen in movies?
 
  * * * * ***
 http://omg.yahoo. com/news/ madonna-booed- in-bucharest- for-defending- 
 gypsies/26947? nc
 
 BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers 
 sharing a stage with Madonna. Then the pop star condemned widespread 
 discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies â and the cheers gave way to jeers.
 The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park 
 for Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies 
 remains deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe.
 Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights 
 advocates say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more 
 discrimination than any other people group on the continent.
 Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have been 
 killed and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially 
 motivated attacks targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled 
 by Gypsies.
 There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. 
 They have historically been the underdog, Radu Motoc, an official with the 
 Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday.
 Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in 
 the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe, but 
 hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in search 
 of jobs and better living conditions.
 Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the population 
 could be as high as 2 million, although official data put it at 500,000.
 Until the 19th century, Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and they've gotten a 
 mixed response ever since: While discrimination is widespread, many East 
 Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music and dance, which they embrace as 
 part of the region's cultural heritage.
 That explains why the Roma musicians and a dancer who had briefly joined 
 Madonna onstage got enthusiastic applause. And it also may explain why some 
 in the crowd turned on Madonna when she paused during the two-hour show â a 
 stop on her worldwide Sticky and Sweet tour â to touch on their plight.
 It has been brought to my attention ... that there is a lot of 
 discrimination against Romanies and Gypsies in general in Eastern Europe, 
 she said. It made me feel very sad.
 Thousands booed and jeered her.
 A few cheered when she added: We don't believe in discrimination ... we 
 believe in freedom and equal rights for everyone. But she got more boos when 
 she mentioned discrimination against homosexuals and others.
 I jeered her because it seemed false what she was telling us. What business 
 does she have telling us these things? said Ionut Dinu, 23.
 Madonna did not react and carried on with her concert, held near the hulking 
 palace of the late communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu.
 Her publicist, Liz Rosenberg, said Madonna and other had told her there were 
 cheers as well as jeers.
 Madonna has been touring with a phenomenal troupe of Roma musicians who made 
 her aware of the discrimination toward them in several countries so she felt 
 compelled to make a brief statement, Rosenberg said in an e-mail. She will 
 not be issuing a further statement.
 One Roma musician said the attitude toward Gypsies is contradictory.
 Romanians watch Gypsy soap operas, they like Gypsy music and go to Gypsy 
 concerts, said Damian Draghici, a Grammy Award-winner who has performed with 
 James Brown and Joe Cocker. 
 But there has been a wave of aggression against Roma people in Italy, 
 Hungary and Romania, which shows me something is not OK, he told the AP in 
 an interview. The politicians have to do something about it. People have to 
 be educated not to be

RE: [scifinoir2] Blonde in the Bayou


Fate, I did laugh at that. There are eleven women in my life who, if they ever 
learn that I did so, would  *end* my life.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com
CC: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:17:16 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] Blonde in the Bayou















 





  Blonde in the Bayou


A young blonde woman was driving through Southern Louisiana while on Vacation. 
She
wanted to take home a pair of genuine alligator shoes in the Worst way,
but was very reluctant to pay the high prices the local vendors were
asking.


After becoming very frustrated with the attitude of one of the
shopkeepers. the young blonde declared, Well then, maybe I'll just go
out and catch my own alligator and get a pair of shoes for free!


The shopkeeper said with a sly smile, Well little lady, why don't you go on 
and give it a try?
The blonde headed off to the swamp, determined to catch an alligator..

Later in the day, as the shopkeeper is driving home, he spots the same young

woman standing waist deep in the murky water, shotgun in hand.. As he
brings his car to a stop, he sees a huge 9-foot gator swimming rapidly
toward her. With lightning reflexes, the Blonde takes aim, shoots the
creature and hauls it 

up onto the slippery bank. Nearby were 7 more dead gators, all lying belly up.

The
shopkeeper stood on the bank, watching in silent amazement. The blonde
struggles mightily and manages to flip the gator onto its back.


Rolling her eyes heavenward, she screams in frustration, CRAP! THIS ONE'S
BAREFOOT, TOO!


  

 

  














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[scifinoir2] Re: Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang

2009-08-28 Thread daikaiju66

I've seen most of those. I love the shoes episode and the Scotsman was great 
fun.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote:

 You have *got* to catch the one where he fights the Viking king...the ep 
 where he's trapped amidst a book of the dead reanimated by Aku and has to 
 fight and fight and fight to survive...the moving take on 300 that's an 
 exciting battle..and eerie show that's mostly in black and white about a 
 spirit infesting a home where horrors took place years before. And funny 
 shows too, like both dealing with the Scotsman, whose sword and skills rival 
 Jack's, but whose greatest weapon may be his rotund wife...the one where Jack 
 loses his sandals and spends the show trying on all types of modern shoes, 
 but keeps stumbling and falling and failing, much to the amusement of the 
 gang he's trying to subdue--great stuff! 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@... 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:23:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Cool. There were quite a few episodes I never got to watch so now I can play 
 catch up. 
 
 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: 
  
  
  Can't agree more, Keith. I still can't quite get Boomerang on my set yet. 
  The digital signal keeps popping in and out constantly. Comcrap says that 
  they may have given us bad set-top boxes. *Four* of them... 
  
  (spit!) 
  
  If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
  bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
  
  
  
  
  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
  From: KeithBJohnson@ 
  Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:25:44 + 
  Subject: [scifinoir2] Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  For the past couple of weeks I've been enjoying reruns of this, one of the 
  greatest animated series I've ever seen. If you've never seen Samurai 
  Jack, then do yourself a favor and check it out. Don't let the oddly flat 
  looking animation throw you. Don't be turned off by the idea of a Samurai 
  nicknamed Jack in a strange future. If you see a couple of eps that seem 
  kinda silly or light, don't give up. Tartokovsky crafted an incredibly good 
  show here, full of action, adventure, and some surprisingly effective 
  drama. I can think of a couple of shows that literally had my mouth hanging 
  open, and a couple that had me near misty eyed (see Jack battle the cursed 
  Viking warrior for example). It's fun when they riff on that anime standard 
  of characters freezing in moments of high action: you know, when a 
  character delivers a fatal sword stroke, then freezes in that move, while 
  the enemy dies, or explodes, as the case is here. There's good music, good 
  writing, and memorable characters. 
  
  If Boomerang had to replace Justice League, this is one of the better 
  choices to take its place. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[scifinoir2] The Doctor

for some strange inexplicable reason, my dvr recorded Dr. Who this morning at 
5am.  it was the ep with Georgia Moffett entitled:  The Doctor's Daughter.  
have 2 say, i enjoyed this one.  the doc, donna and martha  (although have 2 
say, i do have such a crush on Freema Agyeman) all 2gether, and the 
introduction of a daughter cloned (semi) from the doctors dna.  at the end, she 
says everything that donna told her that the doctor does and she shot into 
space on a shuttle.  i do so hope they bring her back.  it would be kool for a 
reunion ep.

Fate.

[scifinoir2] Re: Leverage

2009-08-28 Thread daikaiju66

But Hardison has the last laugh. That was a fun episode.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote:

 
 (picking self up off floor)
 
 Wheaton Da Man!
 
 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
 hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
 
 
 
 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 CC: blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com
 From: jazzynupe_...@...
 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:18:02 -0700
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Leverage
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
   Did anyone (other than me that is) watch Leverage last 
 night?  Wil Wheaton played a hacker named - chaos and he was called - 
 Kobayashi Maru.  
 
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[scifinoir2] Rod Serling Conference- Ithaca, NY

2009-08-28 Thread sincere1906


Rod Serling Conference- Ithaca, NY

http://www.ithaca.edu/rhp/serling/

Celebrating 50 Years of The Twilight Zone is an interdisciplinary academic 
conference dedicated to the works of Rod Serling. The conference is set for 
Friday, October 2, and Saturday, October 3, 2009, at the Roy H. Park School of 
Communications at Ithaca College.

Ithaca College, where Serling taught from 1967 to 1975, is home to the Rod 
Serling Archives. The archives include an extensive collection of television 
scripts, film screenplays, stage play scripts, films, unpublished works, and 
other materials vital to scholarships associated with the author and television 
pioneer.

Why was Ithaca College chosen as the place to house the Rod Serling Archives? 
After Serling's death in 1975, longtime Ithaca College board member Carol 
Serling decided her husband's work needed a permanent home so that it could be 
preserved and shared. Ithaca was a natural choice, as it was where Serling 
shared his creative genius with students for many years. In addition, the 
College, which is just 50 miles north of Serling's hometown of Binghamton (New 
York), is very close to the family cottage on Cayuga Lake where, in an 
Airstream trailer behind the house, some of the most memorable Serling scripts 
in television history were crafted.

Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor

You and I are on total opposite viewpoints of that episode. HATED IT. Worst
piece of crap in the new series, ever. I'd rather watch Love and Monsters
than view it ever again.
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 wrote:



 for some strange inexplicable reason, my dvr recorded Dr. Who this morning
 at 5am.  it was the ep with Georgia Moffett entitled:  The Doctor's
 Daughter.  have 2 say, i enjoyed this one.  the doc, donna and martha
 (although have 2 say, i do have such a crush on Freema Agyeman) all 2gether,
 and the introduction of a daughter cloned (semi) from the doctors dna.  at
 the end, she says everything that donna told her that the doctor does and
 she shot into space on a shuttle.  i do so hope they bring her back.  it
 would be kool for a reunion ep.

 Fate.

Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor

just spank me again Adrianne (kinda liked that a little )

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 12:58 PM

  You and I are on total opposite viewpoints of that episode. 
HATED IT. Worst piece of crap in the new series, ever. I'd rather watch Love 
and Monsters than view it ever again.
~ Where love and magic meet ~

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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com 
wrote:

for some strange inexplicable reason, my dvr recorded Dr. Who this morning at 
5am.  it was the ep with Georgia Moffett entitled:  The Doctor's Daughter.  
have 2 say, i enjoyed this one.  the doc, donna and martha  (although have 2 
say, i do have such a crush on Freema Agyeman) all 2gether, and the 
introduction of a daughter cloned (semi) from the doctors dna.  at the end, she 
says everything that donna told her that the doctor does and she shot into 
space on a shuttle.  i do so hope they bring her back.  it would be kool for a 
reunion ep.

Fate.

Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor

It wasn't the worst ep by a long shot. I think the worst eps so far would be
The Doctor's Daughter and Journey's End.
~ Where love and magic meet ~
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Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Augustus Augustus
jazzynupe_...@yahoo.comwrote:




 just spank me again Adrianne (kinda liked that a little )

 --- On *Fri, 8/28/09, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com*wrote:


 From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 12:58 PM



 You and I are on total opposite viewpoints of that episode. HATED IT. Worst
 piece of crap in the new series, ever. I'd rather watch Love and Monsters
 than view it ever again.

 ~ Where love and magic meet ~
 http://www.adrianne brennan.com http://www.adriannebrennan.com
 Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne
 brennan.com/ botdm.html http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
 Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne
 brennan.com/ bamc.html http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
 Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne
 brennan.com/ books.html# 
 the_oathhttp://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath


 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@
 yahoo.com http://mc/compose?to=jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com wrote:



  for some strange inexplicable reason, my dvr recorded Dr. Who this
 morning at 5am.  it was the ep with Georgia Moffett entitled:  The Doctor's
 Daughter.  have 2 say, i enjoyed this one.  the doc, donna and martha
 (although have 2 say, i do have such a crush on Freema Agyeman) all 2gether,
 and the introduction of a daughter cloned (semi) from the doctors dna.  at
 the end, she says everything that donna told her that the doctor does and
 she shot into space on a shuttle.  i do so hope they bring her back.  it
 would be kool for a reunion ep.

 Fate.

[scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!

Down, Fate, down!(giving new meaning to Devil Dog!)

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote:

 Angela / Tasheka
 
 I'll bite your necks :-)
 
 Fate.
 
 --- On Fri, 8/28/09, tasheka4 tashe...@... wrote:
 
 From: tasheka4 tashe...@...
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 1:28 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
   Angela,
 
 
 
 I feel you.  I don't have HBO either.  I saw Season 1 of True Blood on DVD 
 when it came out, but I hate that I have to wait until the season is over to 
 see Season 2.  Everyone I know who's watching it says it's even better than 
 Season 1.
 
 
 
 Tasheka
 
 
 
 --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, angelababycat asrobinson@ ... wrote:
 
 
 
  Since I ONLY have the 3,333 stations that come with basic satellite (and 
  hence no HBO), I just purchased the DVDs for Season 1 this week.  Four eps 
  in, I'm still loving it...think maybe I want to date a vampire one day...
 
  
 
  Angela
 
  
 
  
 
  --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote:
 
  
 
   You explain my tortured relationship with the show perfectly.  
 
   
 
   I suspect my husband feels similarly.  He makes fun of me watching it as 
   he
 
   walks by and ends up dropping everything and sitting down to watch the 
   whole
 
   thing with me.  If I invited him to watch he wouldn't, but he has seen the
 
   last three episodes with me.  The only reason he did not see other 
   episodes
 
   is because he was not here when I watch. Now that I know he secretly likes
 
   it, I put it on demand when he is around.   
 
   
 
   But.. he's not a fan
 
   
 
   -Original Message-
 
   From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On
 
   Behalf Of ravenadal
 
   Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:03 PM
 
   To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
 
   Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!
 
   
 
   This season of True Blood has been a hot mess!  Watching I often  feel
 
   like Rosario Dawson's character in Clerks II when she walks in on a man
 
   having sex with a donkey in the middle of the fast food emporium she
 
   manages: I'm disgusted and repulsed and...and(yet) I can't look away!
 
   
 
   I was elated that Lafayette was back but I was totally not feeling his
 
   chained in the basement arc.  I would have almost preferred for him to 
   have
 
   died (as he did in the book) than to see him chained up like a dog.
 
   
 
   ~(no)rave!
 
   
 
   --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote:
 
   
 
Anybody watching True Blood? What do you think.  Warning. I'm one week
 
behind, so protect me from spoilers
 

 
 
 

 
Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
 

 
The Green Economy Post
 

 
http://greeneconomy post.com
 

 
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[scifinoir2] Necks Overflowing With Rivers of Metaphor

2009-08-28 Thread brent wodehouse

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/28/arts/television/28blood.html

Television

Necks Overflowing With Rivers of Metaphor

By GINIA BELLAFANTE

Published: August 27, 2009 


It seems like too much futile work in the heat of August - work bound to
lead only to phony conclusions - to decipher how the sanguivorous have
become the meat and drink of popular culture at the end of the first
decade of the 21st century.

Though here we are in the summer of 2009 with the rage for Twilight
continuing, the vampire movie Thirst claiming this years jury prize at
Cannes, the supernatural series Being Human on BBC America, and others
arriving on CW and AMC.

HBOs True Blood has been credited with revivifying the channels
fortunes. The Sookie Stackhouse novels by Charlaine Harris, which inspired
the series, currently occupy seven of the top 20 spots on The New York
Timess paperback mass-market fiction best-seller list. The show, a
mishmash of Flannery OConnor aspirations and Anne Rice pop blood hunger,
threatens to surpass Sex and the City as the most-watched series in
HBOs history after The Sopranos.

But True Blood is nothing like its mob-world forebear or anything else
on HBO. Where The Sopranos had restraint and vast ambition, True Blood
has excess and gall. During the current season, its second (the
penultimate episode will be shown on Sunday), it has become an allegory
for nearly every strain of tension in American life, despite a premise
that suggested a more contained agenda. When True Blood appeared, it was
easy to assume it was a metaphor for late-stage capitalism gone haywire,
not simply because it began with an insolent store clerk reading Naomi
Kleins Shock Doctrine but also because the show seemed predicated on an
interest in the retail addicts belief that were made of what we buy.

Set in the fictional Louisiana town of Bon Temps, the series imagines
vampires living among us, assimilating uneasily but subsisting on a new
form of nourishment: synthetic blood sold in bars and convenience stores,
negating the need (if not the desire) to make value meals out of human
bodies. The hot vampire in town is Bill Compton, played by Stephen Moyer,
with the same potato-flesh complexion as the character of Edward Cullen in
the filmed adaptation of Twilight. Despite the progress theyve made,
vampires, like women bent on avoiding Botox, still cant subject
themselves to the murderous effects of sunlight.

Bills lack of availability for lunchtime patio dining makes him no less
appealing to Sookie Stackhouse (Anna Paquin), an orphaned mind-reading
waitress, who when the series began was a virgin looking at a very limited
number of days of continued sexual ignorance. Bill has a courtly reserve
to him, one he has kept up at least since the Civil War. It is the women
of Bon Temps whose metabolisms run rapid with appetite. They like to bed
down with vampires and accessories.

True Blood doesnt care where those accessories come from. It isnt
interested in what we buy; it cares whether we really are who we sleep
with. The sex is served in such luridly voluptuous,
viewer-satiation-guaranteed portions that the show feels like nothing else
on television, by which I mean television that isnt available exclusively
on $15.99 hotel-room pay-per-view. True Blood is also like little weve
seen on the larger screen in years, a vestige of the 80s forged from the
musings of Adrian Lyne and the camera of David Lynch at a time when
studios, unburdened by the need to sell DVDs at Wal-Mart, submitted to
greater sexual permissiveness on film.

The reactionary gender politics that often attended such permissiveness
are embedded in True Blood, even as the shows creator, Alan Ball, works
aggressively to prove what a fired-up liberal he is. As if weve
consistently skipped those parts of the newspaper that have recounted the
scandals of Jim Bakker or Ted Haggard, Mr. Ball insists on telling us that
right-wing religious extremism is frequently linked with an untenable
moral and sexual hypocrisy.

A Congressional candidate who makes vampire bashing (read: gay bashing)
part of his platform is buying V, vampire blood with a Viagra effect on
civilians, from a drag queen on the black market. Mr. Ball, as he did in
American Beauty, which he wrote, and Six Feet Under, which he created
and where eros and thanatos did battle every week, shoots his metaphors as
if activating an armed squadron. Standing in for a hundred Jerry Falwells
and the Curse of American Sexual Paranoia, one detractor on the show
declaimed, Vampires have taken our jobs and our women, and their very
blood turns our children into addicts, drug dealers and homosexuals!

The current season has set up a showdown between a psycho Christian cult
called the Fellowship of the Sun, which runs a kind of conversion camp
called the Light of Day Institute, and the vampires (and vampire
sympathizers) the cult aims to destroy. At the same time it is

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!

who Rave?  me?  what did i do?

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 1:35 PM

  Down, Fate, down!(giving new meaning to Devil Dog!)

~rave!

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ ... 
wrote:

 Angela / Tasheka

 I'll bite your necks :-)

 Fate.

 --- On Fri, 8/28/09, tasheka4 tashe...@.. . wrote:

 From: tasheka4 tashe...@.. .

 Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!

 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

 Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 1:28 AM

   Angela,

 I feel you.  I don't have HBO either.  I saw Season 1 of True Blood on DVD 
 when it came out, but I hate that I have to wait until the season is over to 
 see Season 2.  Everyone I know who's watching it says it's even better than 
 Season 1.

 Tasheka

 --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, angelababycat asrobinson@ ... wrote:

  Since I ONLY have the 3,333 stations that come with basic satellite (and 
  hence no HBO), I just purchased the DVDs for Season 1 this week.  Four eps 
  in, I'm still loving it...think maybe I want to date a vampire one day...

  Angela

  --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote:

   You explain my tortured relationship with the show perfectly.  

   I suspect my husband feels similarly.  He makes fun of me watching it as 
   he

   walks by and ends up dropping everything and sitting down to watch the 
   whole

   thing with me.  If I invited him to watch he wouldn't, but he has seen the

   last three episodes with me.  The only reason he did not see other 
   episodes

   is because he was not here when I watch. Now that I know he secretly likes

   it, I put it on demand when he is around.   

   But.. he's not a fan

   -Original Message-

   From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com] On

   Behalf Of ravenadal

   Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:03 PM

   To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

   Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!

   This season of True Blood has been a hot mess!  Watching I often  feel

   like Rosario Dawson's character in Clerks II when she walks in on a man

   having sex with a donkey in the middle of the fast food emporium she

   manages: I'm disgusted and repulsed and...and(yet) I can't look away!

   I was elated that Lafayette was back but I was totally not feeling his

   chained in the basement arc.  I would have almost preferred for him to 
   have

   died (as he did in the book) than to see him chained up like a dog.

   ~(no)rave!

   --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote:

Anybody watching True Blood? What do you think.  Warning. I'm one week

behind, so protect me from spoilers

Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer

The Green Economy Post

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[scifinoir2] A General G.I. disorder...Adults may get fewer film choices

http://eilezif.notlong.com

Rating High on Hollywood's List: Immature Audiences

By Ann Hornaday
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 23, 2009

If 2009 is remembered for anything in American cinema, it might be as the year 
grown-ups and Hollywood finally agreed to call it quits.

This is the year when such slick, star-driven, adult-oriented movies as State 
of Play, Duplicity, The International and The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3 
underperformed at the box office. And when talking-toy movies like 
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen and G.I. Joe raked in millions.

Suddenly, movies for grown-ups are in the cross hairs. I'm caught up all in 
it, Spike Lee said recently with a rueful laugh, noting that the sequel to his 
2006 thriller Inside Man is hanging in the balance. I'm waiting on 
Universal, he said.

As it happens, Universal is the studio that has come to symbolize the current 
plight of movies for adults, having released both Duplicity and State of 
Play, as well as The Soloist and Funny People, considered box-office 
disappointments. Last week, Universal Co-chairman Marc Shmuger told the Los 
Angeles Times that 2009 has certainly been a humbling year. First, there's a 
real need to be making movies for less money. Second, there's a real premium on 
sharper, more marketable concepts. Audiences are clearly seeking escape from 
their lives.

Translation: Hello, Paul Blart. Sayonara, Frost/Nixon.

The trend has been under way for some time now: With movies becoming more 
expensive to make and market, Hollywood has increasingly gone for sure bets. 
Studios want movies -- preferably based on an already successful book or video 
game, preferably featuring non-stars who need not be paid much -- that are 
guaranteed to bring in audiences not just once but twice or three times. 
Franchises like Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and Twilight, with their 
sequels, prequels and just plain 'quels, fit that bill nicely.

Alternatively, small, modestly budgeted films that become sleeper hits -- the 
Little Miss Sunshines and Junos of the world -- also are prospering, simply 
because even with smaller-than-Transformers-size audiences, it's easier for 
them to make their budgets back. (It looks like this year's winner in the 
category will be the winsome romantic dramedy [500] Days of Summer.)

The result is that only two types of movies -- big-budget blockbusters or 
poverty-row strivers -- seem to be making profits these days. The middle range 
of high-end, relatively sophisticated movies made with glossy production values 
and well-paid stars might do well with critics and some filmgoers but, between 
star salaries and the high costs of marketing, fail to earn their keep. And 
many observers worry that this will influence Hollywood's decisions about which 
projects to greenlight.

Note: These aren't movies described as quirky in their newspaper ads. Nor are 
they gritty, edgy, offbeat or groundbreaking. These are movies that are 
simply smart, well-made and directed at filmgoers with discerning but not 
necessarily adventurous tastes. The year 2006 provides a useful core sample: 
That was when such movies as The Devil Wears Prada, The Departed and The 
Pursuit of Happyness made the Top 20 list of box-office earners, and Lee's 
Inside Man came in close behind.

Part of the problem is that, with services like Netflix and video on demand 
making it easier for adults to avoid the parking headaches, high concession 
prices and annoying ads of the modern-day multiplex, more and more grown-ups 
are looking at the Friday paper and saying, Why bother?

One distributor that has capitalized on this trend is IFC, which this year 
released Steven Soderbergh's Che and the foreign films Gomorrah and A 
Christmas Tale in theaters and on its cable channel simultaneously. On 
Wednesday, it will release Passing Strange: The Movie, Lee's documentary 
version of the Broadway show by performance artist Stew, the same way (it's 
also opening at the IFC Theater in New York), on a new pay-per-view channel, 
Sundance Selects.

IFC initially saw the simultaneous release of films in theaters and video on 
demand (known colloquially as day-and-date) as ideal for small independent 
films, says IFC Films President Jonathan Sehring, who notes that Che and 
Gomorrah enjoyed roughly equivalent audiences in both venues. But he foresees 
a time when more mainstream movies are released the same way. It's a way for 
films that either have bigger budgets or are really smart adult-oriented films 
to reach that audience, he says, when megaplexes are programming 
[blockbusters] and studios are having a tough time doing anything else.

Would Lee consider the day-and-date strategy for, say, Inside Man 2? Nope! 
he says, without hesitation. I've had my share of firsts already, so let 
somebody else take some bullets. He adds, however, that it's gonna happen. I 
think we're getting [to the point where] the same day you see a movie in the 
theater, you can

[scifinoir2] Inglourious glorious for Roth

http://ochel.notlong.com

Working Both Sides of the Camera

By Michael O'Sullivan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 21, 2009

Don't make the mistake of calling Eli Roth's role in Inglourious Basterds, 
the new World War II-era drama from Quentin Tarantino, small.

Roth's character of Sgt. Donny Donowitz, one of an elite, all-Jewish unit led 
by Brad Pitt that terrorizes and kills Nazis, is a meaty one, even if it's not 
the largest in the film. Known for his unorthodox weapon of choice -- a 
baseball bat -- Donny goes on a memorable killing spree at the climax of the 
film, a climax that's so over-the-top, so off-the-wall that it's safe to say 
that few will need to consult Wikipedia to verify that history really didn't 
turn out that way.

In other words, typical Tarantino.

There is no small role in a Tarantino film, says Roth, who spoke by phone 
about the movie. I wouldn't call Floyd in 'True Romance' a small role. I 
wouldn't call Christopher Walken's role in 'Pulp Fiction' a small role. There 
are good roles and bad roles. And Tarantino writes great roles.

It's a part Roth says he auditioned for with a cameo in Tarantino's 2007 Death 
Proof. According to the 37-year-old actor (who's better known as the director 
of the gory horror films Cabin Fever, Hostel and Hostel II), Roth's acting 
made a lasting impression on his director. We were doing one or two takes, and 
it was not taken very seriously, as it was grindhouse. It was just supposed to 
be having fun. But [Tarantino] said, 'You nailed it.' He goes, 'You nailed my 
dialogue. I can always cut to you, every take, every time. You got it perfect.' 


This time around, Roth wanted to knock it out of the park. When he saw just how 
prominent the part of Donowitz was in the Basterds script, he was floored. I 
was, like, 'Jesus! This is one of the main guys. He's in every scene with Brad 
Pitt -- nearly every scene. He's his right-hand man.' I said, 'Look, if I'm 
going to do this, I've got to bring my A game. If Quentin has faith in me that 
I can do it, I have to push myself harder than I ever have. I have to be like 
Robert De Niro or something.

And how.

Roth bulked up for the part, putting on nearly 40 pounds of muscle, he says. He 
also spent time in his native Boston, interviewing Jewish veterans of World War 
II. You've got to look in this guy's eyes, Roth says of Donowitz, and see 
all the pain and the anger and the fury he's carrying around with him.

But his real role model isn't a thespian like De Niro. Rather, Roth looks for 
inspiration from Ben Stiller, who has built a career not just around acting, 
but also writing, directing and producing. All Roth's hard work on this film -- 
he also directed the black-and-white film-within-a film that is a lynchpin of 
the Basterds plot -- will only pay off when people start seeing him as 
someone who can do it all, both in front of and behind the camera. I talked to 
Quentin about that, Roth says, recalling what his friend and mentor told him. 
He said Tarantino said:  'Now you have permission to write great parts for 
yourself, and no one's going to give you [expletive] about it. . . . Because 
you've proven you can go toe to toe with the best, and you've held your own 
against Brad Pitt.' 

If Roth is still a little touchy about his acting chops, he gets even more 
defensive when asked about being pigeonholed as the chief purveyor -- maybe 
even the inventor -- of the film genre known as torture porn, through the 
three features he has directed and the raft of violent copycat films that have 
followed.

It's not that I set out to make that genre, he says, sighing, but that's 
what people call it. And people rip me off. Look, imitation is the highest form 
of flattery, and if people are ripping you off, it means you did something 
right. As further evidence, Roth cites the fact that French critic 
Jean-Francois Raugier of the newspaper Le Monde identified Hostel as the best 
American movie of 2006. His work is also the subject of college courses, Roth 
notes, and academic dissertations about the subtext of the blood-drenched 
films.

When told just how funny that sounds, though, Roth really let's loose.

I don't know why that's funny, he says, growing agitated. Why is it 
surprising? It's surprising because people that use the term 'torture porn' 
think that they're stupid movies. And the people that watch them and actually 
think about them, and think about what they're about, and analyze them realize 
that they're much smarter and much more subversive than most people give them 
credit for. So it's only funny to you because you've never thought about them 
that way.

Okay, okay. Maybe Roth really does have a career as an actor ahead of him. For 
a minute there, he was starting to sound just like Joe Pesci in Goodfellas.

View all comments that have been posted about this article.

Re: [scifinoir2] Rod Serling Conference- Ithaca, NY

I remember this! Ithaca College is my alma mater. Many, many fond memories
of being there. I absolutely loved it and cried on graduation day because I
was leaving. No joke!
~ Where love and magic meet ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath


On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, sincere1906 sincere1...@gmail.com wrote:


 Rod Serling Conference- Ithaca, NY

 http://www.ithaca.edu/rhp/serling/

 Celebrating 50 Years of The Twilight Zone is an interdisciplinary
 academic conference dedicated to the works of Rod Serling. The conference is
 set for Friday, October 2, and Saturday, October 3, 2009, at the Roy H. Park
 School of Communications at Ithaca College.

 Ithaca College, where Serling taught from 1967 to 1975, is home to the Rod
 Serling Archives. The archives include an extensive collection of television
 scripts, film screenplays, stage play scripts, films, unpublished works, and
 other materials vital to scholarships associated with the author and
 television pioneer.

 Why was Ithaca College chosen as the place to house the Rod Serling
 Archives? After Serling's death in 1975, longtime Ithaca College board
 member Carol Serling decided her husband's work needed a permanent home so
 that it could be preserved and shared. Ithaca was a natural choice, as it
 was where Serling shared his creative genius with students for many years.
 In addition, the College, which is just 50 miles north of Serling's hometown
 of Binghamton (New York), is very close to the family cottage on Cayuga Lake
 where, in an Airstream trailer behind the house, some of the most memorable
 Serling scripts in television history were crafted.




 

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RE: [scifinoir2] Rod Serling Conference- Ithaca, NY


Would that I could get there, Adrianne. Sounds like a blast in the making. And 
I understand how you felt at graduating. I'm told that many of those in my 
class at Virginia State wept like babies. (I wasn't there to march with them, 
owing to a family emergency that required me to grab my sheepskins and run.)

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:27:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rod Serling Conference- Ithaca, NY















 





  I remember this! Ithaca College is my alma mater. Many, many 
fond memories of being there. I absolutely loved it and cried on graduation day 
because I was leaving. No joke!
~ Where love and magic meet ~


http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  
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Rod Serling Conference- Ithaca, NY



http://www.ithaca.edu/rhp/serling/



Celebrating 50 Years of The Twilight Zone is an interdisciplinary academic 
conference dedicated to the works of Rod Serling. The conference is set for 
Friday, October 2, and Saturday, October 3, 2009, at the Roy H. Park School of 
Communications at Ithaca College.





Ithaca College, where Serling taught from 1967 to 1975, is home to the Rod 
Serling Archives. The archives include an extensive collection of television 
scripts, film screenplays, stage play scripts, films, unpublished works, and 
other materials vital to scholarships associated with the author and television 
pioneer.





Why was Ithaca College chosen as the place to house the Rod Serling Archives? 
After Serling's death in 1975, longtime Ithaca College board member Carol 
Serling decided her husband's work needed a permanent home so that it could be 
preserved and shared. Ithaca was a natural choice, as it was where Serling 
shared his creative genius with students for many years. In addition, the 
College, which is just 50 miles north of Serling's hometown of Binghamton (New 
York), is very close to the family cottage on Cayuga Lake where, in an 
Airstream trailer behind the house, some of the most memorable Serling scripts 
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Between the absolute glut of crappy flicks and remakes and reboots, am I meant 
to be surprised by this?

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:32:07 +
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Rating High on Hollywood's List: Immature Audiences



By Ann Hornaday

Washington Post Staff Writer

Sunday, August 23, 2009



If 2009 is remembered for anything in American cinema, it might be as the year 
grown-ups and Hollywood finally agreed to call it quits.



This is the year when such slick, star-driven, adult-oriented movies as State 
of Play, Duplicity, The International and The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3 
underperformed at the box office. And when talking-toy movies like 
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen and G.I. Joe raked in millions.



Suddenly, movies for grown-ups are in the cross hairs. I'm caught up all in 
it, Spike Lee said recently with a rueful laugh, noting that the sequel to his 
2006 thriller Inside Man is hanging in the balance. I'm waiting on 
Universal, he said.



As it happens, Universal is the studio that has come to symbolize the current 
plight of movies for adults, having released both Duplicity and State of 
Play, as well as The Soloist and Funny People, considered box-office 
disappointments. Last week, Universal Co-chairman Marc Shmuger told the Los 
Angeles Times that 2009 has certainly been a humbling year. First, there's a 
real need to be making movies for less money. Second, there's a real premium on 
sharper, more marketable concepts. Audiences are clearly seeking escape from 
their lives.



Translation: Hello, Paul Blart. Sayonara, Frost/Nixon.



The trend has been under way for some time now: With movies becoming more 
expensive to make and market, Hollywood has increasingly gone for sure bets. 
Studios want movies -- preferably based on an already successful book or video 
game, preferably featuring non-stars who need not be paid much -- that are 
guaranteed to bring in audiences not just once but twice or three times. 
Franchises like Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and Twilight, with their 
sequels, prequels and just plain 'quels, fit that bill nicely.



Alternatively, small, modestly budgeted films that become sleeper hits -- the 
Little Miss Sunshines and Junos of the world -- also are prospering, simply 
because even with smaller-than-Transformers-size audiences, it's easier for 
them to make their budgets back. (It looks like this year's winner in the 
category will be the winsome romantic dramedy [500] Days of Summer.)



The result is that only two types of movies -- big-budget blockbusters or 
poverty-row strivers -- seem to be making profits these days. The middle range 
of high-end, relatively sophisticated movies made with glossy production values 
and well-paid stars might do well with critics and some filmgoers but, between 
star salaries and the high costs of marketing, fail to earn their keep. And 
many observers worry that this will influence Hollywood's decisions about which 
projects to greenlight.



Note: These aren't movies described as quirky in their newspaper ads. Nor are 
they gritty, edgy, offbeat or groundbreaking. These are movies that are 
simply smart, well-made and directed at filmgoers with discerning but not 
necessarily adventurous tastes. The year 2006 provides a useful core sample: 
That was when such movies as The Devil Wears Prada, The Departed and The 
Pursuit of Happyness made the Top 20 list of box-office earners, and Lee's 
Inside Man came in close behind.



Part of the problem is that, with services like Netflix and video on demand 
making it easier for adults to avoid the parking headaches, high concession 
prices and annoying ads of the modern-day multiplex, more and more grown-ups 
are looking at the Friday paper and saying, Why bother?



One distributor that has capitalized on this trend is IFC, which this year 
released Steven Soderbergh's Che and the foreign films Gomorrah and A 
Christmas Tale in theaters and on its cable channel simultaneously. On 
Wednesday, it will release Passing Strange: The Movie, Lee's documentary 
version of the Broadway show by performance artist Stew, the same way (it's 
also opening at the IFC Theater in New York), on a new pay-per-view channel, 
Sundance Selects.



IFC initially saw the simultaneous release of films in theaters and video on 
demand (known colloquially as day-and-date) as ideal for small independent 
films, says IFC Films President Jonathan Sehring, who notes that Che and 
Gomorrah enjoyed roughly equivalent audiences in both venues. But he foresees 
a time when more mainstream movies are released the same way. It's a way for 
films that

RE: [scifinoir2] The Doctor


Adrianne, Siffy ran a DW block today, and they made a point of including The 
Doctor's Daughter.  Journey's End I was able to cope with somewhat.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:32:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor















 





  It wasn't the worst ep by a long shot. I think the worst eps 
so far would be The Doctor's Daughter and Journey's End.
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wrote:





























just spank me again Adrianne (kinda liked that a little )

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote:



From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com


Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 12:58 PM






 


  You and I are on total opposite viewpoints of that episode. 
HATED IT. Worst piece of crap in the new series, ever. I'd rather watch Love 
and Monsters than view it ever again.


~ Where love and magic meet ~


http://www.adrianne brennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ botdm.html




Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ 
bamc.html
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath







On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com 
wrote:






























for some strange inexplicable reason, my dvr recorded Dr. Who this morning at 
5am.  it was the ep with Georgia Moffett entitled:  The Doctor's Daughter.  
have 2 say, i enjoyed this one.  the doc, donna and martha  (although have 2 
say, i do have such a crush on Freema Agyeman) all 2gether, and the 
introduction of a daughter cloned (semi) from the doctors dna.  at the end, she 
says everything that donna told her that the doctor does and she shot into 
space on a shuttle.  i do so hope they bring her back.  it would be kool for a 
reunion ep.





Fate.



  























 

  


 






  
























 

  














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RE: [scifinoir2] The Doctor


Fate, I have to ride with Adrianne on this one. The Doctor's Daughter, to me, 
never gelled seriously. It felt as though the writers half-wrote.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:32:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor















 





  It wasn't the worst ep by a long shot. I think the worst eps 
so far would be The Doctor's Daughter and Journey's End.
~ Where love and magic meet ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com


Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html


Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath



On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com 
wrote:





























just spank me again Adrianne (kinda liked that a little )

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote:



From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com


Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 12:58 PM






 


  You and I are on total opposite viewpoints of that episode. 
HATED IT. Worst piece of crap in the new series, ever. I'd rather watch Love 
and Monsters than view it ever again.


~ Where love and magic meet ~


http://www.adrianne brennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ botdm.html




Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ 
bamc.html
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath







On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com 
wrote:






























for some strange inexplicable reason, my dvr recorded Dr. Who this morning at 
5am.  it was the ep with Georgia Moffett entitled:  The Doctor's Daughter.  
have 2 say, i enjoyed this one.  the doc, donna and martha  (although have 2 
say, i do have such a crush on Freema Agyeman) all 2gether, and the 
introduction of a daughter cloned (semi) from the doctors dna.  at the end, she 
says everything that donna told her that the doctor does and she shot into 
space on a shuttle.  i do so hope they bring her back.  it would be kool for a 
reunion ep.





Fate.



  























 

  


 






  
























 

  














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RE: [scifinoir2] The Doctor

all i have 2 say 2 u Martin is:  go see Star Trek 

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The Doctor
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 4:04 PM

Fate, I have to ride with Adrianne on this one. The Doctor's Daughter, to me, 
never gelled seriously. It felt as though the writers half-wrote.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:32:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor

  It wasn't the worst ep by a long shot. I think the worst eps 
so far would be The Doctor's Daughter and Journey's End.

~ Where love and magic meet ~
http://www.adrianne brennan.com

Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ 
bamc.html

Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com 
wrote:

just spank me again Adrianne (kinda liked that a little )

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com wrote:

From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 12:58 PM

  You and I are on total opposite viewpoints of that episode. 
HATED IT. Worst piece of crap in the new series, ever. I'd rather watch Love 
and Monsters than view it ever again.

~ Where love and magic meet ~

http://www.adrianne brennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ botdm.html

Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ 
bamc.html
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com 
wrote:

for some strange inexplicable reason, my dvr recorded Dr. Who this morning at 
5am.  it was the ep with Georgia Moffett entitled:  The Doctor's Daughter.  
have 2 say, i enjoyed this one.  the doc, donna and martha  (although have 2 
say, i do have such a crush on Freema Agyeman) all 2gether, and the 
introduction of a daughter cloned (semi) from the doctors dna.  at the end, she 
says everything that donna told her that the doctor does and she shot into 
space on a shuttle.  i do so hope they bring her back.  it would be kool for a 
reunion ep.

Fate.

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RE: [scifinoir2] The Doctor


Right, it was this morning when that aired. (Danged old age...) I woke up as it 
came on, immediately changed the channel to the local news.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
CC: blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:23:38 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] The Doctor















 





  for some strange inexplicable reason, my dvr recorded Dr. Who 
this morning at 5am.  it was the ep with Georgia Moffett entitled:  The 
Doctor's Daughter.  have 2 say, i enjoyed this one.  the doc, donna and martha  
(although have 2 say, i do have such a crush on Freema Agyeman) all 2gether, 
and the introduction of a daughter cloned (semi) from the doctors dna.  at the 
end, she says everything that donna told her that the doctor does and she shot 
into space on a shuttle.  i do so hope they bring her back.  it would be kool 
for a reunion ep.

Fate.



  

 

  














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RE: [scifinoir2] The Doctor


Sorry. No longer showing in my area. And Martin doesn't venture into Cobb 
County for more than an hour at a time. 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:12:00 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The Doctor















 





  all i have 2 say 2 u Martin is:  go see Star Trek 

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The Doctor
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 4:04 PM






 


  


Fate, I have to ride with Adrianne on this one. The Doctor's Daughter, to me, 
never gelled seriously. It felt as though the writers half-wrote.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:32:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor















 





  It wasn't the worst ep by a long shot. I think the worst eps 
so far would be The Doctor's Daughter and Journey's End.
~ Where love and magic meet ~
http://www.adrianne brennan.com


Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ 
bamc.html


Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath



On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com 
wrote:





























just spank me again Adrianne (kinda liked that a little )

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com wrote:



From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com


Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 12:58 PM






 


  You and I are on total opposite viewpoints of that episode. 
HATED IT. Worst piece of crap in the new series, ever. I'd rather watch Love 
and Monsters than view it ever again.


~ Where love and magic meet ~


http://www.adrianne brennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ botdm.html




Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ 
bamc.html
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne 
brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath







On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com 
wrote:






























for some strange inexplicable reason, my dvr recorded Dr. Who this morning at 
5am.  it was the ep with Georgia Moffett entitled:  The Doctor's Daughter.  
have 2 say, i enjoyed this one.  the doc, donna and martha  (although have 2 
say, i do have such a crush on Freema Agyeman) all 2gether, and the 
introduction of a daughter cloned (semi) from the doctors dna.  at the end, she 
says everything that donna told her that the doctor does and she shot into 
space on a shuttle.  i do so hope they bring her back.  it would be kool for a 
reunion ep.





Fate.



  























 

  


 






  
























 

  














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Especially the one in which the Scotsman finds Jack to enlist his aid in 
rescuing his wife from the bad guy in that ep. By the time they won through, if 
memory serves, the wife was whompin' on the boy something fierce.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:23:00 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang















 





  I've seen most of those. I love the shoes episode and the 
Scotsman was great fun.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote:



 You have *got* to catch the one where he fights the Viking king...the ep 
 where he's trapped amidst a book of the dead reanimated by Aku and has to 
 fight and fight and fight to survive...the moving take on 300 that's an 
 exciting battle..and eerie show that's mostly in black and white about a 
 spirit infesting a home where horrors took place years before. And funny 
 shows too, like both dealing with the Scotsman, whose sword and skills rival 
 Jack's, but whose greatest weapon may be his rotund wife...the one where Jack 
 loses his sandals and spends the show trying on all types of modern shoes, 
 but keeps stumbling and falling and failing, much to the amusement of the 
 gang he's trying to subdue--great stuff! 

 

 - Original Message - 

 From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@... 

 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:23:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 

 Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Cool. There were quite a few episodes I never got to watch so now I can play 
 catch up. 

 

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: 

  

  

  Can't agree more, Keith. I still can't quite get Boomerang on my set yet. 
  The digital signal keeps popping in and out constantly. Comcrap says that 
  they may have given us bad set-top boxes. *Four* of them... 

  

  (spit!) 

  

  If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
  bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

  

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

  

  

  

  

  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

  From: KeithBJohnson@ 

  Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:25:44 + 

  Subject: [scifinoir2] Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  For the past couple of weeks I've been enjoying reruns of this, one of the 
  greatest animated series I've ever seen. If you've never seen Samurai 
  Jack, then do yourself a favor and check it out. Don't let the oddly flat 
  looking animation throw you. Don't be turned off by the idea of a Samurai 
  nicknamed Jack in a strange future. If you see a couple of eps that seem 
  kinda silly or light, don't give up. Tartokovsky crafted an incredibly good 
  show here, full of action, adventure, and some surprisingly effective 
  drama. I can think of a couple of shows that literally had my mouth hanging 
  open, and a couple that had me near misty eyed (see Jack battle the cursed 
  Viking warrior for example). It's fun when they riff on that anime standard 
  of characters freezing in moments of high action: you know, when a 
  character delivers a fatal sword stroke, then freezes in that move, while 
  the enemy dies, or explodes, as the case is here. There's good music, good 
  writing, and memorable characters. 

  

  If Boomerang had to replace Justice League, this is one of the better 
  choices to take its place. 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against Roma

You bet. Sad reminder we have so far to go before calling this world 
post-anything. I hate to feel this way, but I really don't think humanity has 
progressed ten thousand years in terms of social development and compassion. I 
sound like a tired old scifi flick, but our technical, military, and 
self-destructive might continue to outpace our ability to get along. 

Hope Star Trek is wrong, and we don't need another world war to finally get 
past our prejudices... 


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From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:37:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
Against Roma 









Thanks for the interesting read. I will pass it on 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:06 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against 
Roma 









Sad. I wonder how many Americans know anything about the Roma, outside of what 
they've seen in movies? 

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http://omg.yahoo.com/news/madonna-booed-in-bucharest-for-defending-gypsies/26947?nc
 

BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers 
sharing a stage with Madonna . Then the pop star condemned widespread 
discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies — and the cheers gave way to jeers. 

The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park for 
Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies remains 
deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe. 

Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights advocates 
say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more discrimination than 
any other people group on the continent. 

Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have been killed 
and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially motivated attacks 
targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled by Gypsies. 

There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. 
They have historically been the underdog, Radu Motoc, an official with the 
Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday. 

Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in 
the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe, but 
hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in search of 
jobs and better living conditions. 

Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the population 
could be as high as 2 million, although official data put it at 500,000. 

Until the 19th century, Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and they've gotten a 
mixed response ever since: While discrimination is widespread, many East 
Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music and dance, which they embrace as 
part of the region's cultural heritage. 

That explains why the Roma musicians and a dancer who had briefly joined 
Madonna onstage got enthusiastic applause. And it also may explain why some in 
the crowd turned on Madonna when she paused during the two-hour show — a stop 
on her worldwide Sticky and Sweet tour — to touch on their plight. 

It has been brought to my attention ... that there is a lot of discrimination 
against Romanies and Gypsies in general in Eastern Europe, she said. It made 
me feel very sad. 

Thousands booed and jeered her. 

A few cheered when she added: We don't believe in discrimination ... we 
believe in freedom and equal rights for everyone. But she got more boos when 
she mentioned discrimination against homosexuals and others. 

I jeered her because it seemed false what she was telling us. What business 
does she have telling us these things? said Ionut Dinu, 23. 

Madonna did not react and carried on with her concert, held near the hulking 
palace of the late communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu. 

Her publicist, Liz Rosenberg, said Madonna and other had told her there were 
cheers as well as jeers. 

 Madonna has been touring with a phenomenal troupe of Roma musicians who made 
her aware of the discrimination toward them in several countries so she felt 
compelled to make a brief statement, Rosenberg said in an e-mail. She will 
not be issuing a further statement. 

One Roma musician said the attitude toward Gypsies is contradictory. 

Romanians watch Gypsy soap operas, they like Gypsy music and go to Gypsy 
concerts, said Damian Draghici, a Grammy Award-winner who has performed with 
James Brown and Joe Cocker. 

But there has been a wave of aggression against Roma people in Italy, Hungary 
and Romania, which shows me something is not OK, he told the AP in an 
interview. The politicians have to do something about it. People have to be 
educated not to be prejudiced. All people are

Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!

Good point. I'd like to see a Catwoman even more intense than Pfeiffer's. But 
then, I start asking, why do Catwoman again? 

- Original Message - 
From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:42:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

I did not like the casting at first, but for me, you described Michele 
Pfeiffer’s portrayal of Catwoman. I thought she really delivered. I wish Nolan 
would tuck away his gonads and hire an acting heavyweight with a nice body who 
is not the flavor of the week 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:19 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

that's my feeling. I can only see Catwoman work if she's the more dangerous, 
world weary, slightly abused one from the reboot after the Crisis. I could see 
a storyline where she and Bruce--who's still on the run and hunted as 
Batman--become kindred souls who lean on each other. Not so much for mutual 
support, but more like falling together because they're both damaged and messed 
up--like two drug users becoming lovers. I see a Catwoman who's frankly not 
even necessarily all that beautiful--at least, not anymore. Maybe someone who's 
so ravaged by life that her beauty is just below the surface. 
Nothing in that says Meagan Fox... 

- Original Message - 
From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:29:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

Why should there be a CW in this flick anyway? 

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
wrote: 

From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 12:16 PM 

Say it ain’t so. After Michele Pfieffer, I need someone with some acting chops 

From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On 
Behalf Of Martin Baxter 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:30 AM 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

Because you didn't ask for it... Megan Fox is being considered for the role of 
Catwoman in Christopher Nolan's next Bat-flick... 

http://wonderwall. msn.com/movies/ The-Shortlist- for-Aug-26- 3865.gallery? 
GT1=28135# m=oZghMddAdLu 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!

Well, I've got at least two decades on her... 

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From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:28:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

(standing ovation, while LNAO @ Keith calling Fox a child) 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:08:01 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

You know my feelings about stunt casting. I'm not convinced the child can act, 
and I sure as hell don't want her slinking on the screen just looking good in a 
catsuit. Catwoman is--should be--a more complex, nuanced character. Despite the 
Julie Newmar/Eartha Kitt/Lee Meriwether/Halle Berry portrayals, her character 
can be fascinating. I'm looking for something more like the Catwoman from the 
Year One books after the DC Universe reboot brought on by the Crisis on 
Infinite Earths. 

Chris Nolan has mostly done great casting the Bat movies--with the horrible 
exception of Katie Holmes. I hope this is just gossip and he's not going to do 
this. Even if Catwoman is in the movie--and you know my vote is for Talia Al 
ghul instead--I'd hope he goes with a relative unknown actress who can actually 
bring some meat to the role. 

- Original Message - 
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:29:57 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

Because you didn't ask for it... Megan Fox is being considered for the role of 
Catwoman in Christopher Nolan's next Bat-flick... 

http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/The-Shortlist-for-Aug-26-3865.gallery?GT1=28135#m=oZghMddAdLu

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

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RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!


Keith, I believe that Tracey mentioned gonads. IMO, that's the why of it 
right there. There really wans't any sex to sell in either Batman Begins or 
The Dark Knight, because such wasn't needed. Great movies sell themselves on 
their merits. Some suit in H'Wood is thinking that there needs to be sex in 
this one, maybe just in case it doesn't draw as spectacularly as the first two 
did (considering the economy, most likely).

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:58:22 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!















 





  
Good point. I'd like to see a Catwoman even more intense than Pfeiffer's.  But 
then, I start asking, why do Catwoman again? 


- Original Message -
From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:42:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!







 





  








I did not like the casting at first, but for me, you described
Michele Pfeiffer’s portrayal of Catwoman.   I thought she really delivered.  I
wish Nolan would tuck away his gonads and hire an acting heavyweight with a
nice body who is not the flavor of the week

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keith
Johnson

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:19 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!





 











that's
my feeling. I can only see Catwoman work if she's the more dangerous, world
weary, slightly abused one from the reboot after the Crisis. I could see a
storyline where she and Bruce--who's still on the run and hunted as
Batman--become kindred souls who lean on each other. Not so much for mutual
support, but more like falling together because they're both damaged and messed
up--like two drug users becoming lovers. I see a Catwoman who's frankly not
even necessarily all that beautiful--at least, not anymore. Maybe someone who's
so ravaged by life that her beauty is just below the surface.

Nothing in that says Meagan Fox...



- Original Message -

From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:29:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!



  








 
  
  Why should
  there be a CW in this flick anyway?

  

  --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
  wrote:
  

  From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com

  Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!

  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

  Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 12:16 PM
  

  
  
  
  Say it ain’t so.  After Michele
  Pfieffer, I need someone with some acting chops
  
   
  
  
  
  From:
  scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On
  Behalf Of Martin Baxter

  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:30 AM

  To: SciFiNoir2

  Subject: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!
  
  
  
   
  
  

  

  Because you didn't ask for it... Megan Fox is being considered for the role
  of Catwoman in Christopher Nolan's next Bat-flick...

  

  http://wonderwall. msn.com/movies/ The-Shortlist- for-Aug-26-
  3865.gallery? GT1=28135# m=oZghMddAdLu

  

  If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
  bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

  

  http://www.youtube.
  com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

  

  
  
  
  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation

Yeah, I guess I don't get the concept of frequency in shields. That means 
that basically any shield is vulnerable if one can glean its frequency. Doesn't 
make sense to me. Even if I assume that shields are like water or sound waves, 
or a bridge over a river, where one can find a resonant frequency to make it go 
hypercritical. Even then, it seems to me one would have to *overload* the 
shields at the same frequency, the same way you hit the natural vibrating 
frequency of a span bridge with a high wind, watching it oscillate until it 
collapses. 


- Original Message - 
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:31:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation 






Keith, until that movie, I always took it as given that shields were on a 
cyclic frequency rotation, as Trek did when dealing with the Borg. 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:58:03 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation 






Good scene. But I could never cotton with the whole way the Klingons penetrated 
the shields. Since when do you need to see a shield frequency on a console in 
order to determine what it is? Surely a simple scan could detect shield 
frequencies, just as sensors can always report that a ship brings up its 
shields in the first place. I also don't understand how simply matching 
frequencies allows a torpedo through. If it were that easy, all space battles 
in the Trek universe would be short and sweet: simply scan the frequency, set 
the weapon and poof! Shields are bypassed. 

Okay, enough of the buzz kill! 


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From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com 
To: Sci Fi scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Cc: Black SciFi blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:22:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation 




Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work and watching 'Star 
Trek: Generations' on HBO2. The saucer section separates from the star drive 
section as the warp core breeches. the resulting shock wave knocks the saucer 
section out of orbit and into the atmosphere. then u get classic Data. he has 
the emotion chip activated and he is watching the view screen. the camera shows 
his face - full on - and he smiles and says Oh shit! simply classic! 

Fate. 







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RE: [scifinoir2] Ugandan Superhero


Thanks for the send, rave. More stuff for the List.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




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From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:57:09 +
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RE: [scifinoir2] Are you familiar with Scribd?


I signed on a long time ago, rave, and have yet to avail myself of it. Don't 
even remember what e-mail account I used to join.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




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Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation

yeah, but you can't *encrypt* energy frequencies. Look at it like this: if you 
have an encrypted cell phone conversation, suppose I detect your signals with 
an electronic receiver. Now, I can easily detect the EM waves themselves, just 
as I can use a radio to scan for a good FM station. Just as I can use equipment 
to break down and analyze the different types of light in a white light source. 
Nothing in the encryption stops me from *detecting* those waves and getting 
their frequency. What I can't do is perhaps break the coding riding on those EM 
waves. 

Suppose you tapped out a signal in Morse code using a pipe against a drum. 
Anyone in the area can hear the sound, and with the right equipment, easily 
exactly describe the frequency of those sound waves. Now, if you don't know 
Morse code, you can read what the waves are saying, but you can analyze them. 
Or suppose you did the same with a flashlight. Using some spectroscopy, I can 
easily break down that white beam into its exact components of red, yellow, 
etc. light. I might not be able to read the code you're signalling, but analyze 
the light is nothing. 

By the same token, assuming shields are some type of energy that operates in 
regular spacetime--and I assume they are with all this talk of 
frequencies--it'd be easy to analyze them and get their frequency. Encryption 
doesn't remove the existence of those frequencies, just prevents one from 
reading some sort of message that'd be in them. 

- Original Message - 
From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:31:54 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation 






Martin and Keith, 

i am going 2 try 2 answer those 2 questions. as best i can and try 2 make it 
sound plausible. first, i think that the shields rotate frequencies when they 
fought the borg because the borg could adapt 2 whatever so quick. so the best 
strategy against them was to rotate the shield frequencies (just like they did 
with the phasers). as for them not being able 2 scan frequencies, it's just 
like communications. they are encrypted so that someone could not just tap in 
the steal the frequencies. if u remember the ST:TNG epsisode where the 
Starfleet Captain was attacking the Cardassians, Chief O'Brien had served on 
the ship with the captain and told Captain Picard that that ship shields 
frequency waswell, whatever the number was and they it recycled 
every so many seconds. so that is when I knew that the shields were on a set 
freq. how's that ? does that sound plausible? 

Fate. 

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: 



From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:31 AM 





Keith, until that movie, I always took it as given that shields were on a 
cyclic frequency rotation, as Trek did when dealing with the Borg. 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net 
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:58:03 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation 






Good scene. But I could never cotton with the whole way the Klingons penetrated 
the shields. Since when do you need to see a shield frequency on a console in 
order to determine what it is? Surely a simple scan could detect shield 
frequencies, just as sensors can always report that a ship brings up its 
shields in the first place. I also don't understand how simply matching 
frequencies allows a torpedo through. If it were that easy, all space battles 
in the Trek universe would be short and sweet: simply scan the frequency, set 
the weapon and poof! Shields are bypassed. 

Okay, enough of the buzz kill! 


- Original Message - 
From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com 
To: Sci Fi scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Cc: Black SciFi blackscifihorrorfan tasyclub@ yahoogroups. com 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:22:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation 




Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work and watching 'Star 
Trek: Generations' on HBO2. The saucer section separates from the star drive 
section as the warp core breeches. the resulting shock wave knocks the saucer 
section out of orbit and into the atmosphere. then u get classic Data. he has 
the emotion chip activated and he is watching the view screen. the camera shows 
his face - full on - and he smiles and says Oh shit! simply classic! 

Fate. 







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Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!

I agree but I doubt that they will. The only one that seems to take risks
with casting is Tarantino and Zach Snyder.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:

You know my feelings about stunt casting. I'm not convinced the child can
act, and I sure as hell don't want her slinking on the screen just looking
good in a catsuit. Catwoman is--should be--a more complex, nuanced
character. Despite the Julie Newmar/Eartha Kitt/Lee Meriwether/Halle Berry
portrayals, her character can be fascinating. I'm looking for something more
like the Catwoman from the Year One books after the DC Universe reboot
brought on by the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Chris Nolan has mostly done great casting the Bat movies--with the horrible
exception of Katie Holmes. I hope this is just gossip and he's not going to
do this. Even if Catwoman is in the movie--and you know my vote is for Talia
Al ghul instead--I'd hope he goes with a relative unknown actress who can
actually bring some meat to the role.

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From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:29:57 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!

Because you didn't ask for it... Megan Fox is being considered for the role
of Catwoman in Christopher Nolan's next Bat-flick...

http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/The-Shortlist-for-Aug-26-3865.gallery?GT1=28135#m=oZghMddAdLu

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Re: [scifinoir2] Ugandan Superhero

This is very cool! I was talking to someone about Africa being rich with
stories. This is one that I would love to get into.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation

You match the frequency then send a signal at the 180 degree opposite. That
would result in cancellation of the shield frequency. I'm not sure why they
couldn't just scan it though.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:



 Good scene. But I could never cotton with the whole way the Klingons
 penetrated the shields. Since when do you need to see a shield frequency on
 a console in order to determine what it is? Surely a simple scan could
 detect shield frequencies, just as sensors can always report that a ship
 brings up its shields in the first place. I also don't understand how simply
 matching frequencies allows a torpedo through. If it were that easy, all
 space battles in the Trek universe would be short and sweet: simply scan the
 frequency, set the weapon and poof! Shields are bypassed.

 Okay, enough of the buzz kill!


 - Original Message -
 From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
 To: Sci Fi scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Cc: Black SciFi blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:22:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation



 Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work and watching
 'Star Trek: Generations' on HBO2.  The saucer section separates from the
 star drive section as the warp core breeches.  the resulting shock wave
 knocks the saucer section out of orbit and into the atmosphere.  then u get
 classic Data.  he has the emotion chip activated and he is watching the
 view screen.   the camera shows his face - full on - and he smiles and says
 Oh shit!  simply classic!

 Fate.



 




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Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation

One theory I have about the frequencies is that the variables are probably
so large that it would take a long time to find it. Longer than they would
have in a situation where they are being attacked. For example if you have a
frequency that is broadcasting at 100hz and up to 100 million including all
of the points in between up to 100 billionth of a decimal point that is
rotating every 2 milliseconds it would take a while to figure out where you
are broadcasting and the intervals of the next signal.

(On a side note, light and sound are waves.)

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:

Yeah, I guess I don't get the concept of frequency in shields. That means
that basically any shield is vulnerable if one can glean its frequency.
Doesn't make sense to me. Even if I assume that shields are like water or
sound waves, or a bridge over a river, where one can find a resonant
frequency to make it go hypercritical. Even then, it seems to me one would
have to *overload* the shields at the same frequency, the same way you hit
the natural vibrating frequency of a span bridge with a high wind, watching
it oscillate until it collapses.

- Original Message -
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:31:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation

Keith, until that movie, I always took it as given that shields were on a
cyclic frequency rotation, as Trek did when dealing with the Borg.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:58:03 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation

Good scene. But I could never cotton with the whole way the Klingons
penetrated the shields. Since when do you need to see a shield frequency on
a console in order to determine what it is? Surely a simple scan could
detect shield frequencies, just as sensors can always report that a ship
brings up its shields in the first place. I also don't understand how simply
matching frequencies allows a torpedo through. If it were that easy, all
space battles in the Trek universe would be short and sweet: simply scan the
frequency, set the weapon and poof! Shields are bypassed.

Okay, enough of the buzz kill!

- Original Message -
From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
To: Sci Fi scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Black SciFi blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:22:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation

Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work and
watching 'Star Trek: Generations' on HBO2. The saucer section separates
from the star drive section as the warp core breeches. the resulting shock
wave knocks the saucer section out of orbit and into the atmosphere. then u
get classic Data. he has the emotion chip activated and he is watching
the view screen. the camera shows his face - full on - and he smiles and
says Oh shit! simply classic!

Fate.

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against Roma

2009-08-28 Thread Amy Harlib


ahar...@earthlink.net
  Hooray for Madonna for saying the right thing!
  Amy




  Keith, the truth is never tired-sounding... unfortunately, in this case.

  If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





--
  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
  From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
  Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:57:06 +
  Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
Against Roma



  You bet. Sad reminder we have so far to go before calling this world 
post-anything.  I hate to feel this way, but I really don't think humanity has 
progressed ten thousand years in terms of social development and compassion. I 
sound like a tired old scifi flick, but our technical, military, and 
self-destructive might continue to outpace our ability to get along.

  Hope Star Trek is wrong, and we don't need another world war to finally get 
past our prejudices...


  - Original Message -
  From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:37:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
  Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
Against Roma




  Thanks for the interesting read. I will pass it on



  From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Keith Johnson
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:06 PM
  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against 
Roma








  Sad. I wonder how many Americans know anything about the Roma, outside of 
what they've seen in movies?

  ***
  
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/madonna-booed-in-bucharest-for-defending-gypsies/26947?nc

  BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers 
sharing a stage with Madonna. Then the pop star condemned widespread 
discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies — and the cheers gave way to jeers.
  The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park 
for Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies 
remains deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe.
  Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights 
advocates say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more 
discrimination than any other people group on the continent.
  Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have been 
killed and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially motivated 
attacks targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled by Gypsies.
  There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. 
They have historically been the underdog, Radu Motoc, an official with the 
Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday.
  Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in 
the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe, but 
hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in search of 
jobs and better living conditions.
  Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the population 
could be as high as 2 million, although official data put it at 500,000.
  Until the 19th century, Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and they've gotten a 
mixed response ever since: While discrimination is widespread, many East 
Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music and dance, which they embrace as 
part of the region's cultural heritage.
  That explains why the Roma musicians and a dancer who had briefly joined 
Madonna onstage got enthusiastic applause. And it also may explain why some in 
the crowd turned on Madonna when she paused during the two-hour show — a stop 
on her worldwide Sticky and Sweet tour — to touch on their plight.
  It has been brought to my attention ... that there is a lot of 
discrimination against Romanies and Gypsies in general in Eastern Europe, she 
said. It made me feel very sad.
  Thousands booed and jeered her.
  A few cheered when she added: We don't believe in discrimination ... we 
believe in freedom and equal rights for everyone. But she got more boos when 
she mentioned discrimination against homosexuals and others.
  I jeered her because it seemed false what she was telling us. What business 
does she have telling us these things? said Ionut Dinu, 23.
  Madonna did not react and carried on with her concert, held near the hulking 
palace of the late communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu.
  Her publicist, Liz Rosenberg, said Madonna and other had told her there were 
cheers as well as jeers.
  Madonna has been touring with a phenomenal troupe of Roma musicians who made 
her aware of the discrimination toward them in several countries so she felt 
compelled to

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against Roma

This planet has been a continuous state of war around the world for at least
10,000 years. We still haven't been able to figure out how to do things
without going to war yet in many cases. The worst and most volatile problem
is how to blend competing ethnic, political and religious ideologies.

There are some good and bad things that have come from being in a war like
state. You're using one right now. Many of the modern technologies come from
offshoots of war. The internet, cellphone, computer, tv, vcr, xray,
penicillin, jet engine etc.

The bad is that it has also allowed us to not only kill efficiently, but
kill in mass quantities indiscriminately, while at the same time wrecking
our environment and doing untold damage to lives.

I often think about the Star Trek world. I am having problems seeing us
doing anything like that within the next 4-500 years at least. It may become
just too expensive if we don't kill ourselves or global warming gets us
first.


On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:



 You bet. Sad reminder we have so far to go before calling this world
 post-anything.  I hate to feel this way, but I really don't think humanity
 has progressed ten thousand years in terms of social development and
 compassion. I sound like a tired old scifi flick, but our technical,
 military, and self-destructive might continue to outpace our ability to get
 along.

 Hope Star Trek is wrong, and we don't need another world war to finally get
 past our prejudices...



 - Original Message -
 From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:37:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination
 Against Roma



  Thanks for the interesting read. I will pass it on



 *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Keith Johnson
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:06 PM
 *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination
 Against Roma






  Sad. I wonder how many Americans know anything about the Roma, outside of
 what they've seen in movies?

 ***

 http://omg.yahoo.com/news/madonna-booed-in-bucharest-for-defending-gypsies/26947?nc

 BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers
 sharing a stage with Madonna http://omg.yahoo.com/celebs/madonna/37.
 Then the pop star condemned widespread discrimination against Roma, or
 Gypsies — and the cheers gave way to jeers.

 The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park
 for Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies
 remains deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe.

 Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights
 advocates say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more
 discrimination than any other people group on the continent.

 Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have been
 killed and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially
 motivated attacks targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled
 by Gypsies.

 There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern
 Europe. They have historically been the underdog, Radu Motoc, an official
 with the Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday.

 Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots
 in the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe,
 but hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in
 search of jobs and better living conditions.

 Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the
 population could be as high as 2 million, although official data put it at
 500,000.

 Until the 19th century, Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and they've gotten a
 mixed response ever since: While discrimination is widespread, many East
 Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music and dance, which they embrace
 as part of the region's cultural heritage.

 That explains why the Roma musicians and a dancer who had briefly joined
 Madonna http://omg.yahoo.com/celebs/madonna/37 onstage got enthusiastic
 applause. And it also may explain why some in the crowd turned on 
 Madonnahttp://omg.yahoo.com/celebs/madonna/37when she paused during the 
 two-hour show — a stop on her worldwide Sticky
 and Sweet tour — to touch on their plight.

 It has been brought to my attention ... that there is a lot of
 discrimination against Romanies and Gypsies in general in Eastern Europe,
 she said. It made me feel very sad.

 Thousands booed and jeered her.

 A few cheered when she added: We don't believe in discrimination ... we
 believe in freedom and equal rights for everyone. But she got more boos
 when she mentioned discrimination against homosexuals and others.

Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor

I didn't think that it was the worst episodes but I didn't like the idea
that she came out of nowhere and then we never see her again. That wasn't
cool.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Adrianne Brennan 
adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote:



 You and I are on total opposite viewpoints of that episode. HATED IT. Worst
 piece of crap in the new series, ever. I'd rather watch Love and Monsters
 than view it ever again.
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 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Augustus Augustus 
 jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com wrote:



 for some strange inexplicable reason, my dvr recorded Dr. Who this morning
 at 5am.  it was the ep with Georgia Moffett entitled:  The Doctor's
 Daughter.  have 2 say, i enjoyed this one.  the doc, donna and martha
 (although have 2 say, i do have such a crush on Freema Agyeman) all 2gether,
 and the introduction of a daughter cloned (semi) from the doctors dna.  at
 the end, she says everything that donna told her that the doctor does and
 she shot into space on a shuttle.  i do so hope they bring her back.  it
 would be kool for a reunion ep.

 Fate.






 




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[scifinoir2] Keith, brace yourself...


If you're watching this, then you already know. For those who aren't -- Eureka 
tonight seems to be a CLIP SHOW. 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik



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RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against Roma


(standing ovation)

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:59:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination
Against Roma















 





  This planet has been a continuous state of war around the 
world for at least 10,000 years. We still haven't been able to figure out how 
to do things without going to war yet in many cases. The worst and most 
volatile problem is how to blend competing ethnic, political and religious 
ideologies.  


There are some good and bad things that have come from being in a war like 
state. You're using one right now. Many of the modern technologies come from 
offshoots of war. The internet, cellphone, computer, tv, vcr, xray, penicillin, 
jet engine etc. 


The bad is that it has also allowed us to not only kill efficiently, but kill 
in mass quantities indiscriminately, while at the same time wrecking our 
environment and doing untold damage to lives. 

I often think about the Star Trek world. I am having problems seeing us doing 
anything like that within the next 4-500 years at least. It may become just too 
expensive if we don't kill ourselves or global warming gets us first. 




On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
wrote:





















You bet. Sad reminder we have so far to go before calling this world 
post-anything.  I hate to feel this way, but I really don't think humanity has 
progressed ten thousand years in terms of social development and compassion. I 
sound like a tired old scifi flick, but our technical, military, and 
self-destructive might continue to outpace our ability to get along.


Hope Star Trek is wrong, and we don't need another world war to finally get 
past our prejudices...


- Original Message -
From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:37:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
Against Roma








 





  








Thanks for the interesting read. I will pass it on


 






From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:06 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination
Against Roma






 













Sad. I wonder how many Americans know anything about the Roma,
outside of what they've seen in movies?



***

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/madonna-booed-in-bucharest-for-defending-gypsies/26947?nc


BUCHAREST,
Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers sharing a stage
with Madonna. Then the pop
star condemned widespread discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies — and the
cheers gave way to jeers.


The sharp mood
change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park for Wednesday
night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies remains deeply
entrenched across Eastern Europe.


Despite
long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights advocates say
Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more discrimination than any
other people group on the continent.


Sometimes, it can
be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have been killed and several
wounded in a recent series of apparently racially motivated attacks targeting
small countryside villages predominantly settled by Gypsies.


There is
generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. They have
historically been the underdog, Radu Motoc, an official with the Soros
Foundation Romania, said Thursday.


Roma, or Gypsies,
are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in the Indian
subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe, but hundreds of
thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in search of jobs and
better living conditions.


Romania has the
largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the population could be as high
as 2 million, although official data put it at 500,000.


Until the 19th
century, Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and they've gotten a mixed response ever
since: While discrimination is widespread, many East Europeans are enthusiastic
about Gypsy music and dance, which they embrace as part of the region's
cultural heritage.


That explains why
the Roma musicians and a dancer who had briefly joined Madonna onstage got
enthusiastic applause. And it also may explain why some in the crowd turned on 
Madonna when she paused
during the two-hour show — a stop on her worldwide Sticky and Sweet
tour — to touch on their plight.


It has been
brought to my attention ... that

RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!


As do I, now that I think about it. But the way Keith's phrasing read... 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:01:48 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!















 





  
Well, I've got at least two decades on her...

- Original Message -
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:28:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!







 





  


(standing ovation, while LNAO @ Keith calling Fox a child)

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:08:01 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!















 





  
You know my feelings about stunt casting. I'm not convinced the child can act, 
and I sure as hell don't want her slinking on the screen just looking good in a 
catsuit. Catwoman is--should be--a more complex, nuanced character. Despite the 
Julie Newmar/Eartha Kitt/Lee Meriwether/Halle Berry portrayals, her character 
can be fascinating. I'm looking for something more like the Catwoman from the 
Year One books after the DC Universe reboot brought on by the Crisis on 
Infinite Earths.

Chris Nolan has mostly done great casting the Bat movies--with the horrible 
exception of Katie Holmes. I hope this is just gossip and he's not going to do 
this. Even if Catwoman is in the movie--and you know my vote is for Talia Al 
ghul instead--I'd hope he goes with a relative unknown actress who can actually 
bring some meat to the role.

- Original Message -
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:29:57 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!







 





  


Because you didn't ask for it... Megan Fox is being considered for the role of 
Catwoman in Christopher Nolan's next Bat-flick...

http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/The-Shortlist-for-Aug-26-3865.gallery?GT1=28135#m=oZghMddAdLu

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




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Re: [scifinoir2] Keith, brace yourself...

I hate those Its a throwaway episode.
Stargate used to have at least 2 or 3 a season by the end of the series.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Martin Baxter
truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote:



 If you're watching this, then you already know. For those who aren't --
 Eureka tonight seems to be a CLIP SHOW.

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
 bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik



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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against Roma

that bad, huh? Too bad: they are often a very handsome people, with rich things 
to offer 
- Original Message - 
From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:54:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
Against Roma 

While stationed in Bosnia/Croatia/Hungary I saw the pure hate directed towards 
them . 
--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: 

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
Against Roma 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:20 AM 

Keith, I'll answer you with very little. Humanity=pathetic. 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik 

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net 
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:05:58 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against 
Roma 

Sad. I wonder how many Americans know anything about the Roma, outside of what 
they've seen in movies? 

 * * * * *** 
http://omg.yahoo. com/news/ madonna-booed- in-bucharest- for-defending- 
gypsies/26947? nc 

BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers 
sharing a stage with Madonna . Then the pop star condemned widespread 
discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies — and the cheers gave way to jeers. 
The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park for 
Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies remains 
deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe . 
Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights advocates 
say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more discrimination than 
any other people group on the continent. 
Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary , six Roma have been killed 
and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially motivated attacks 
targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled by Gypsies. 
There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. 
They have historically been the underdog, Radu Motoc, an official with the 
Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday. 
Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in 
the Indian subcontinent . They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe, but 
hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in search of 
jobs and better living conditions. 
Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the population 
could be as high as 2 million, although official data put it at 500,000. 
Until the 19th century , Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and they've gotten a 
mixed response ever since: While discrimination is widespread, many East 
Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music and dance, which they embrace as 
part of the region's cultural heritage. 
That explains why the Roma musicians and a dancer who had briefly joined 
Madonna onstage got enthusiastic applause. And it also may explain why some in 
the crowd turned on Madonna when she paused during the two-hour show — a stop 
on her worldwide Sticky and Sweet tour — to touch on their plight. 
It has been brought to my attention ... that there is a lot of discrimination 
against Romanies and Gypsies in general in Eastern Europe, she said. It made 
me feel very sad. 
Thousands booed and jeered her. 
A few cheered when she added: We don't believe in discrimination ... we 
believe in freedom and equal rights for everyone. But she got more boos when 
she mentioned discrimination against homosexuals and others. 
I jeered her because it seemed false what she was telling us. What business 
does she have telling us these things? said Ionut Dinu, 23. 
Madonna did not react and carried on with her concert, held near the hulking 
palace of the late communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu. 
Her publicist, Liz Rosenberg, said Madonna and other had told her there were 
cheers as well as jeers. 
 Madonna has been touring with a phenomenal troupe of Roma musicians who made 
her aware of the discrimination toward them in several countries so she felt 
compelled to make a brief statement, Rosenberg said in an e-mail. She will 
not be issuing a further statement. 
One Roma musician said the attitude toward Gypsies is contradictory. 
Romanians watch Gypsy soap operas, they like Gypsy music and go to Gypsy 
concerts, said Damian Draghici, a Grammy Award-winner who has performed with 
James Brown and Joe Cocker . 
But there has been a wave of aggression against Roma people in Italy, Hungary 
and Romania , which shows me something is not OK, he told the AP in an 
interview. The

Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 - Starting to love it


Okay, really liked this week's show. A good mix of danger (the evil Mirror 
Myka), humour (the Studio 54 disco ball as a dangerous magic artifact playing 
I Will Survive had me in stitches!), and cool artifacts (Lewis Carroll's 
mirror). 

No longer tepid, the show gets better with every ep. The characters are more 
assured than I expected. the plots are actually interesting and entertaining, 
and they're striking a good balance of danger and fun, drama and humour, 
science and fancy. I like that some of what they use or retrieve borders on 
magical, while some of the stuff is super science.The cast is all interesting, 
from Pete's standard devil-may-care angle, to Myka's cautious suspicious agent, 
to Artie's quirky, often grumpy role as the leader. I even like the young girl 
who's joined the cast. Her comic line Warehouse 13--The Next Generation, 
accompanied by the Vulcan salute, was hilarious. 

Like Eureka, and non-scifi shows like Leverage and Burn Notice, it's 
entertaining, has engaging characters, stories that are a nice mix of drama and 
humour, and goes down easily. It seems the SyFy, as well as other cable 
channels, is getting this formula of breezy-and-serious shows down pat. Now all 
we need is the return of some series with a little more dramatic weight in the 
mix, and we'll have the formula for some really great TV watching nights. 


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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:40:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 


It's growing on me. Pilot was a bit tepid, but the subsequent shows are more 
engaging. It has a decent mix of humour and scifi. Still at times reminds me of 
a lightweight Friday the 13th. Some of the things, like using old video 
communicators, is both quaint and kinda silly, but you roll with it. 
Interesting that the artifacts are some combination of scientific and mystical 
at times. In that, they remind of the Green Lantern rings, which have been 
described as both super science, and magick. I enjoyed tonight's show about 
the ancient artifact that attaches itself to a person's spine, turning them 
into a crazed warrior with electrical powers (sucked from the victim's body). 
The artifact reminded me of nothing so much as the famous Tingler from the 
classic movie of the same name. Brought back some memories: that tingler scared 
the bejeezus outa me as a kid! 

- Original Message - 
From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:14:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now 









Anyone watching Warehouse 13 on the--wait for it, Martin--all new SyFy? I'm 
just into the first ten minutes, so no way i can make a judgement, but wondered 
if anyone heard any early buzz on the show? I do recognize a couple of the 
actors. The lead actress played Jeremiah's traitorous lover on the show of the 
same name. And the mad scientist guy is memorable as Fajah (sp?), in the TNG ep 
about a rich dude who collects things, and tries to add Data to his collection. 
As always with Sci--er, SyFy, I'm divided. If the show sucks, it's another 
sorry show commissioned by the network. If it's good--and I must admit they've 
shown some good stuff here and there over the years--I fear it'll be canceled 
to soon. And when I see a show like this, I must confess it makes me wonder why 
the likes of Level 9, The Dresden Files, and others of this type were 
canceled. Throw in shows on other stations, like The Chronicle, John Doe, 
Jake 2.0, and G vs. E, and you wonder what this show's chances are. Maybe 
it'll catch on like Eureka?

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang

And wonder of wonders, Jack and the 300 (aka, Jack and the Spartans) is on 
tonight. Great action-packed ep. 

Did you ever see the TV movie that shows the rise of Aku? It was done after the 
series' run, or at least, well into the run. It went back in time, showing 
three gods doing battle with a shadowy being of evil: Ra, Odin, and Rama. Their 
powers defeat the being, but a small part of it is ripped free and drifts 
across space to land in ancient Japan. It is from this shard that Aku 
ultimately grows. This two-parter is really, really good, full of action and 
drama, and a must-see. 

Speaking of funny eps, ever seen Jack Learns to Jump Good? Hilarious! 


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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:23:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang 






I've seen most of those. I love the shoes episode and the Scotsman was great 
fun. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: 
 
 You have *got* to catch the one where he fights the Viking king...the ep 
 where he's trapped amidst a book of the dead reanimated by Aku and has to 
 fight and fight and fight to survive...the moving take on 300 that's an 
 exciting battle..and eerie show that's mostly in black and white about a 
 spirit infesting a home where horrors took place years before. And funny 
 shows too, like both dealing with the Scotsman, whose sword and skills rival 
 Jack's, but whose greatest weapon may be his rotund wife...the one where Jack 
 loses his sandals and spends the show trying on all types of modern shoes, 
 but keeps stumbling and falling and failing, much to the amusement of the 
 gang he's trying to subdue--great stuff! 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@... 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:23:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Cool. There were quite a few episodes I never got to watch so now I can play 
 catch up. 
 
 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: 
  
  
  Can't agree more, Keith. I still can't quite get Boomerang on my set yet. 
  The digital signal keeps popping in and out constantly. Comcrap says that 
  they may have given us bad set-top boxes. *Four* of them... 
  
  (spit!) 
  
  If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
  bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
  
  
  
  
  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
  From: KeithBJohnson@ 
  Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:25:44 + 
  Subject: [scifinoir2] Samurai Jack Reruns on Boomerang 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  For the past couple of weeks I've been enjoying reruns of this, one of the 
  greatest animated series I've ever seen. If you've never seen Samurai 
  Jack, then do yourself a favor and check it out. Don't let the oddly flat 
  looking animation throw you. Don't be turned off by the idea of a Samurai 
  nicknamed Jack in a strange future. If you see a couple of eps that seem 
  kinda silly or light, don't give up. Tartokovsky crafted an incredibly good 
  show here, full of action, adventure, and some surprisingly effective 
  drama. I can think of a couple of shows that literally had my mouth hanging 
  open, and a couple that had me near misty eyed (see Jack battle the cursed 
  Viking warrior for example). It's fun when they riff on that anime standard 
  of characters freezing in moments of high action: you know, when a 
  character delivers a fatal sword stroke, then freezes in that move, while 
  the enemy dies, or explodes, as the case is here. There's good music, good 
  writing, and memorable characters. 
  
  If Boomerang had to replace Justice League, this is one of the better 
  choices to take its place. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[scifinoir2] A Eureka Clip Show - WTF?

So, I'm settling in to watch a new ep of Eureka, after watching Warehouse 
13 for the second time this week. And what do I get? A new fun adventure 
dealing with a spacetime anomaly, a dangerous creature of ooze, or perhaps a 
rogue AI? No--a clip show! I ever tell you how much i hate clip shows? 
Unsatisfactory in the extreme: brief collections of the best moments from past 
shows that don't satisfy because the context is lost without the full show 
around them. It's like hearing the punchline of jokes but never the setups. and 
I either feel completely lost with a clip show, because I can't follow the 
stories from the bits shown, or vaguely frustrated at not getting to see the 
whole of shows I do remember and like. 
Clip shows--bah! I turned over to Samurai Jack instead. Lemme know if I 
missed anything...

Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!

Sad but true... 

- Original Message - 
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:02:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

Keith, I believe that Tracey mentioned gonads. IMO, that's the why of it 
right there. There really wans't any sex to sell in either Batman Begins or 
The Dark Knight, because such wasn't needed. Great movies sell themselves on 
their merits. Some suit in H'Wood is thinking that there needs to be sex in 
this one, maybe just in case it doesn't draw as spectacularly as the first two 
did (considering the economy, most likely). 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:58:22 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

Good point. I'd like to see a Catwoman even more intense than Pfeiffer's. But 
then, I start asking, why do Catwoman again? 

- Original Message - 
From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:42:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

I did not like the casting at first, but for me, you described Michele 
Pfeiffer’s portrayal of Catwoman. I thought she really delivered. I wish Nolan 
would tuck away his gonads and hire an acting heavyweight with a nice body who 
is not the flavor of the week 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:19 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

that's my feeling. I can only see Catwoman work if she's the more dangerous, 
world weary, slightly abused one from the reboot after the Crisis. I could see 
a storyline where she and Bruce--who's still on the run and hunted as 
Batman--become kindred souls who lean on each other. Not so much for mutual 
support, but more like falling together because they're both damaged and messed 
up--like two drug users becoming lovers. I see a Catwoman who's frankly not 
even necessarily all that beautiful--at least, not anymore. Maybe someone who's 
so ravaged by life that her beauty is just below the surface. 
Nothing in that says Meagan Fox... 

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From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:29:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

Why should there be a CW in this flick anyway? 

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
wrote: 

From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 12:16 PM 

Say it ain’t so. After Michele Pfieffer, I need someone with some acting chops 

From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On 
Behalf Of Martin Baxter 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:30 AM 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

Because you didn't ask for it... Megan Fox is being considered for the role of 
Catwoman in Christopher Nolan's next Bat-flick... 

http://wonderwall. msn.com/movies/ The-Shortlist- for-Aug-26- 3865.gallery? 
GT1=28135# m=oZghMddAdLu 

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[scifinoir2] Evan Rachel Wood to play True Blood's Vampire Queen

Fellas, I recommended clicking the link. 

~rave! 

http://nooseiw.notlong.com

Can I call you back?  I'm tied up at the moment.

Evan Rachel Wood, the Thirteen star who is a presumed sexual deviant, will join 
the cast of HBO's True Blood at the end of Season 2 as Sophie-Anne, the 
vampire queen of Louisiana.  

She's a 500-year-old vampire from France who is charming, wily, ruthless 
and wise. She's a consummate diplomat who has (or had) many of history's most 
famous people on speed dial A True Blood insider tells me that Wood is booked 
for two episodes, both of which will air towards the end of the show's upcoming 
second season. But rest assured, if the show is renewed for a third season 
(and, please, it will be), Wood will be back.

This makes sense.  She's pale, she can mail in her performance and still have a 
more believable accent than anyone else on that show, and she's experienced at 
biting people.  Or so I assume.  I mean, you don't date Marilyn Manson and 
every co-star twenty years your senior without having some seriously kinky 
kinks.  I look at her and think, Now that's a woman who owns a ball gag.  
Which is one of the nicest compliments a girl can get, really.

Re: [scifinoir2] The Doctor

She was badly done Mary Sue fanfic, the likes of which they should've been
embarrassed to let air.
:-O

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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote:



 I didn't think that it was the worst episodes but I didn't like the idea
 that she came out of nowhere and then we never see her again. That wasn't
 cool.

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Adrianne Brennan 
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 Worst piece of crap in the new series, ever. I'd rather watch Love and
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 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Augustus Augustus 
 jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com wrote:



  for some strange inexplicable reason, my dvr recorded Dr. Who this
 morning at 5am.  it was the ep with Georgia Moffett entitled:  The Doctor's
 Daughter.  have 2 say, i enjoyed this one.  the doc, donna and martha
 (although have 2 say, i do have such a crush on Freema Agyeman) all 2gether,
 and the introduction of a daughter cloned (semi) from the doctors dna.  at
 the end, she says everything that donna told her that the doctor does and
 she shot into space on a shuttle.  i do so hope they bring her back.  it
 would be kool for a reunion ep.

 Fate.









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Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman!

yeah, or one of the many lower-budget film makers. 

- Original Message - 
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:33:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

I agree but I doubt that they will. The only one that seems to take risks with 
casting is Tarantino and Zach Snyder. 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote: 

You know my feelings about stunt casting. I'm not convinced the child can act, 
and I sure as hell don't want her slinking on the screen just looking good in a 
catsuit. Catwoman is--should be--a more complex, nuanced character. Despite the 
Julie Newmar/Eartha Kitt/Lee Meriwether/Halle Berry portrayals, her character 
can be fascinating. I'm looking for something more like the Catwoman from the 
Year One books after the DC Universe reboot brought on by the Crisis on 
Infinite Earths. 

Chris Nolan has mostly done great casting the Bat movies--with the horrible 
exception of Katie Holmes. I hope this is just gossip and he's not going to do 
this. Even if Catwoman is in the movie--and you know my vote is for Talia Al 
ghul instead--I'd hope he goes with a relative unknown actress who can actually 
bring some meat to the role. 

- Original Message - 
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To: SciFiNoir2  scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:29:57 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Holy Casting Call, Batman! 

Because you didn't ask for it... Megan Fox is being considered for the role of 
Catwoman in Christopher Nolan's next Bat-flick... 

http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/The-Shortlist-for-Aug-26-3865.gallery?GT1=28135#m=oZghMddAdLu

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Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation

yeah, I get the supposed cancelation of waves and troughs things: I guess I 
just always assumed shields were more than a simple type of energy with such an 
obvious weak spot. I envisioned them as more akin to some kind of quasi-solid 
phenomenon, not merely a type of energy like light or gamma rays--something 
that prevented everything from penetrating them, vulnerable only to the 
*amount* of force directed at them, not a specially tuned frequency. 


- Original Message - 
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:38:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation 






You match the frequency then send a signal at the 180 degree opposite. That 
would result in cancellation of the shield frequency. I'm not sure why they 
couldn't just scan it though. 


On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote: 






Good scene. But I could never cotton with the whole way the Klingons penetrated 
the shields. Since when do you need to see a shield frequency on a console in 
order to determine what it is? Surely a simple scan could detect shield 
frequencies, just as sensors can always report that a ship brings up its 
shields in the first place. I also don't understand how simply matching 
frequencies allows a torpedo through. If it were that easy, all space battles 
in the Trek universe would be short and sweet: simply scan the frequency, set 
the weapon and poof! Shields are bypassed. 

Okay, enough of the buzz kill! 


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From: Augustus Augustus  jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com  
To: Sci Fi  scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  
Cc: Black SciFi  blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:22:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation 






Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work and watching 'Star 
Trek: Generations' on HBO2. The saucer section separates from the star drive 
section as the warp core breeches. the resulting shock wave knocks the saucer 
section out of orbit and into the atmosphere. then u get classic Data. he has 
the emotion chip activated and he is watching the view screen. the camera shows 
his face - full on - and he smiles and says Oh shit! simply classic! 

Fate. 








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Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation

yeah, but the movie seems to suggest the frequencies don't change, at least not 
that often, or else your theory would work. 

And yeah, I know light and sound are waves--though to be precise, light is both 
wave and particle, depending on differing modes of interaction with other 
things. I just tried to think of shields as something else, to avoid this whole 
frequency-weakness thing. 


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From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:48:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation 






One theory I have about the frequencies is that the variables are probably so 
large that it would take a long time to find it. Longer than they would have in 
a situation where they are being attacked. For example if you have a frequency 
that is broadcasting at 100hz and up to 100 million including all of the points 
in between up to 100 billionth of a decimal point that is rotating every 2 
milliseconds it would take a while to figure out where you are broadcasting and 
the intervals of the next signal. 

(On a side note, light and sound are waves.) 


On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote: 






Yeah, I guess I don't get the concept of frequency in shields. That means 
that basically any shield is vulnerable if one can glean its frequency. Doesn't 
make sense to me. Even if I assume that shields are like water or sound waves, 
or a bridge over a river, where one can find a resonant frequency to make it go 
hypercritical. Even then, it seems to me one would have to *overload* the 
shields at the same frequency, the same way you hit the natural vibrating 
frequency of a span bridge with a high wind, watching it oscillate until it 
collapses. 



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From: Martin Baxter  truthseeker...@hotmail.com  

To: SciFiNoir2  scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:31:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation 









Keith, until that movie, I always took it as given that shields were on a 
cyclic frequency rotation, as Trek did when dealing with the Borg. 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:58:03 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation 






Good scene. But I could never cotton with the whole way the Klingons penetrated 
the shields. Since when do you need to see a shield frequency on a console in 
order to determine what it is? Surely a simple scan could detect shield 
frequencies, just as sensors can always report that a ship brings up its 
shields in the first place. I also don't understand how simply matching 
frequencies allows a torpedo through. If it were that easy, all space battles 
in the Trek universe would be short and sweet: simply scan the frequency, set 
the weapon and poof! Shields are bypassed. 

Okay, enough of the buzz kill! 


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From: Augustus Augustus  jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com  
To: Sci Fi  scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  
Cc: Black SciFi  blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:22:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation 




Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work and watching 'Star 
Trek: Generations' on HBO2. The saucer section separates from the star drive 
section as the warp core breeches. the resulting shock wave knocks the saucer 
section out of orbit and into the atmosphere. then u get classic Data. he has 
the emotion chip activated and he is watching the view screen. the camera shows 
his face - full on - and he smiles and says Oh shit! simply classic! 

Fate. 







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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against Roma

Penicillin is a by-product of warfare? How's that? 

Yeah, i despair of the species improving significantly anytime soon. I tend to 
go with the classic Twilight Zone where the aliens jiggered with a few 
devices and the whole street turned on itself. Or, the one where people think a 
nuclear war has come, and they all revert to selfishness, fear, and bigotry, 
trying to crowd into one man's fallout shelter. I fear that we still have a 
very thin veneer of civilization layered over a thick layer of savagery and 
barbarism. It takes very little for that to come out: look at the hatred and 
racism vented during our own Presidential elections. 

To quote Calvin and Hobbes again, Sometimes I think the best evidence that 
life exists out there...is that none of it has ever come here. 

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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:59:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
Against Roma 






This planet has been a continuous state of war around the world for at least 
10,000 years. We still haven't been able to figure out how to do things without 
going to war yet in many cases. The worst and most volatile problem is how to 
blend competing ethnic, political and religious ideologies. 

There are some good and bad things that have come from being in a war like 
state. You're using one right now. Many of the modern technologies come from 
offshoots of war. The internet, cellphone, computer, tv, vcr, xray, penicillin, 
jet engine etc. 

The bad is that it has also allowed us to not only kill efficiently, but kill 
in mass quantities indiscriminately, while at the same time wrecking our 
environment and doing untold damage to lives. 

I often think about the Star Trek world. I am having problems seeing us doing 
anything like that within the next 4-500 years at least. It may become just too 
expensive if we don't kill ourselves or global warming gets us first. 



On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote: 






You bet. Sad reminder we have so far to go before calling this world 
post-anything. I hate to feel this way, but I really don't think humanity has 
progressed ten thousand years in terms of social development and compassion. I 
sound like a tired old scifi flick, but our technical, military, and 
self-destructive might continue to outpace our ability to get along. 

Hope Star Trek is wrong, and we don't need another world war to finally get 
past our prejudices... 





- Original Message - 
From: Tracey de Morsella  tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:37:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
Against Roma 









Thanks for the interesting read. I will pass it on 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:06 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against 
Roma 









Sad. I wonder how many Americans know anything about the Roma, outside of what 
they've seen in movies? 

*** 
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/madonna-booed-in-bucharest-for-defending-gypsies/26947?nc
 

BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers 
sharing a stage with Madonna . Then the pop star condemned widespread 
discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies — and the cheers gave way to jeers. 

The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park for 
Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies remains 
deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe. 

Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights advocates 
say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more discrimination than 
any other people group on the continent. 

Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have been killed 
and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially motivated attacks 
targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled by Gypsies. 

There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. 
They have historically been the underdog, Radu Motoc, an official with the 
Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday. 

Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in 
the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe, but 
hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in search of 
jobs and better living conditions. 

Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the population 
could be as high as 2 million, although official data put it at 500,000. 

Until the 19th century, Romanian

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against Roma

Somewhere in my e-mail archives is along one I wrote about how as a child I 
looked forward to the world of Star Trek. Or the world of Lost in Space, or of 
Land of the Giants. Or of any world where technology was superscience, we had 
talking computers with true AI, spaceships that flew faster than light, bases 
on the Moon, and of course, flying cars. 

But sometimes I wonder if our whole path is wrong. That perhaps in trying to 
create new things to mold and shape our world, we shouldn't spend more time 
trying to live within it. I'm not naively suggesting that we all go Luddite or 
Amish, discard clothing and TVs and electricity and commune with Nature. Humans 
will kill and rape and steal whether we live in grass huts or fancy high rises. 
But I do sometimes wonder if it would at least help us start down the path to 
true unity and civilization if we spent more time trying to work with the 
natural world, instead of focusing on machines and computers. 


- Original Message - 
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:59:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
Against Roma 






This planet has been a continuous state of war around the world for at least 
10,000 years. We still haven't been able to figure out how to do things without 
going to war yet in many cases. The worst and most volatile problem is how to 
blend competing ethnic, political and religious ideologies. 

There are some good and bad things that have come from being in a war like 
state. You're using one right now. Many of the modern technologies come from 
offshoots of war. The internet, cellphone, computer, tv, vcr, xray, penicillin, 
jet engine etc. 

The bad is that it has also allowed us to not only kill efficiently, but kill 
in mass quantities indiscriminately, while at the same time wrecking our 
environment and doing untold damage to lives. 

I often think about the Star Trek world. I am having problems seeing us doing 
anything like that within the next 4-500 years at least. It may become just too 
expensive if we don't kill ourselves or global warming gets us first. 



On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote: 






You bet. Sad reminder we have so far to go before calling this world 
post-anything. I hate to feel this way, but I really don't think humanity has 
progressed ten thousand years in terms of social development and compassion. I 
sound like a tired old scifi flick, but our technical, military, and 
self-destructive might continue to outpace our ability to get along. 

Hope Star Trek is wrong, and we don't need another world war to finally get 
past our prejudices... 





- Original Message - 
From: Tracey de Morsella  tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:37:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination 
Against Roma 









Thanks for the interesting read. I will pass it on 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:06 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Madonna Booed for Condeming Discrimination Against 
Roma 









Sad. I wonder how many Americans know anything about the Roma, outside of what 
they've seen in movies? 

*** 
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/madonna-booed-in-bucharest-for-defending-gypsies/26947?nc
 

BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers 
sharing a stage with Madonna . Then the pop star condemned widespread 
discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies — and the cheers gave way to jeers. 

The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park for 
Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies remains 
deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe. 

Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights advocates 
say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more discrimination than 
any other people group on the continent. 

Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have been killed 
and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially motivated attacks 
targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled by Gypsies. 

There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. 
They have historically been the underdog, Radu Motoc, an official with the 
Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday. 

Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in 
the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe, but 
hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in search of 
jobs and better living conditions.

Re: [scifinoir2] Keith, brace yourself...

Sorry I didn't see this earlier! It'd have saved me from posting when you'd 
already done so, and it'd have save me the fifteen minutes of my life i wasted 
on that !!! :( 

- Original Message - 
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:09:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Keith, brace yourself... 

If you're watching this, then you already know. For those who aren't -- Eureka 
tonight seems to be a CLIP SHOW. 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Keith, brace yourself...