[scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds?
Don't worry. That's just Beck and Limbaugh, coming to terms with this news... President Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/ If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] FW: Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider
Sounds fascinating, but I'm not too certain that I want the test done on Earth. A few possibilities spring to mind that would make distance an attractive thing. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggs...@yahoo.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:51:54 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] FW: Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider From: Chris de Morsella [mailto:cdemorse...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:44 PM To: 'tracey demorsella' Subject: RE: Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24211/ Thursday, October 08, 2009 Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider The principle behind a novel form of spacecraft propulsion could be tested at the world's most powerful particle accelerator. In 1924, the influential German mathematician David Hilbert published a paper called The Foundations of Physics, in which he outlined an extraordinary side effect of Einstein's theory of relativity. Hilbert was studying the interaction between a relativistic particle moving toward or away from a stationary mass. His conclusion was that if the relativistic particle had a velocity greater than about half the speed of light, a stationary mass should repel it. At least, that's how it would appear to a distant inertial observer. That's an interesting result, and one that has been more or less forgotten, says Franklin Felber, an independent physicist based in the United States. (Hilbert's paper was written in German.) Felber has turned this idea on its head, predicting that a relativistic particle should also repel a stationary mass. He says that this effect could be exploited to propel an initially stationary mass to a good fraction of the speed of light. The basis for Felber's hypervelocity propulsion drive is that the repulsive effect allows a relativistic particle to deliver a specific impulse that is greater than its specific momentum, thereby achieving speeds greater than the driving particle's speed. He says this is analogous to the elastic collision of a heavy mass with a much lighter, stationary mass, from which the lighter mass rebounds with about twice the speed of the heavy mass. What's more, Felber predicts that this speed can be achieved without generating the severe stresses that could damage a space vehicle or its occupants. That's because the spacecraft follows a geodetic trajectory, in which the only stresses arise from tidal forces (although it's not clear why those forces wouldn't be substantial). That's a neat idea, but little better than science fiction, were it not for one further corollary: Felber is proposing an experiment that could prove his ideas or damn them. It turns out that when it is up and running, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will accelerate particles to the kind of energies that generate this repulsive force. Felber's idea is to set up a test mass next to the beam line and measure the forces on it as the particles whiz past. The repulsive force that Felber predicts will be tiny, but it could be detected using resonant test mass. And since the experiment wouldn't interfere with the LHC's main business of colliding particles, it could be run in conjunction with it. While the huge energy of the LHC makes it first choice for such an experiment, Felber says the effect could also be seen at Fermilab's Tevatron, albeit with a signal strength that would be three orders of magnitude smaller. Perhaps that's something to consider as a last hurrah for the old Tevatron, before they begin mothballing it sometime next year. Ref: arxiv.org/abs/0910.1084: Test of Relativistic Gravity for Propulsion at the Large Hadron Collider _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/attachment: image001.gif
[scifinoir2] Okay, didn't see this one coming...
I'm not sure I agree with this. Obama is taking the first steps toward trying to improve things, but I don't know that he's amassed the body of work that King did, or even Jimmy Carter when he was trying to broker peace in the Mideast. I wonder, is this more of a usage of the Prize to remind Americans to act right and not go back down the Bush path of Big Stick diplomacy? Is it a gentle nudge to Obama to not make Afghanistan the nextAfghanistan? I think I'd have chosen Bill Clinton for his foundation's work before Obama. Either way, the backlash from those who hate him will simply be more intense hatred, and what a burden to carry now, especially when he's trying to decide how many more troops to send into Afghanistan. I can see people criticizing any moves now that are seen are aggressive or overly militaristic, coming from the Peace Prize winner. I hope the prize doesn't become a millstone around his neck... * (CNN) -- President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday, a stunning decision that comes just eight months into his presidency. The Norwegian Nobel Committee said it honored Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The president had not been mentioned as among front-runners for the prize, and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, uttered Obama's name. The president, who was awakened to be told he had won, said he was humbled to be selected, according to an administration official. The Nobel committee recognized Obama's efforts to solve complex global problems including working toward a world free of nuclear weapons. Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future, the committee said. Jagland said the decision was unanimous and came with ease. He rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet Union. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population, it said. Obama's recognition comes less than a year after he became the first African-American to win the White House. He is the fourth U.S. president to win the prestigious prize and the third sitting president to do so. The announcement Friday in Oslo, Norway, came as a surprise -- Obama had not been mentioned among front-runners -- and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, announced Obama's name. VideoWatch announcement of Obama as Nobel recipient » Jagland said the decision was unanimous and came with ease. He rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet Union. Jagland said he hoped the prize would help Obama resolve the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. VideoListen to Jagland explain why Obama was this year's choice » Former Finnish President Martti Ahtisaari, last year's laureate, said it was clear the Nobel committee wanted to encourage Obama on the issues he has been discussing on the world stage. I see this as an important encouragement, Ahtisaari said. The committee wanted to be far more daring than in recent times and make an impact on global politics, said Kristian Berg Harpviken, director of the International Peace Research Institute. And Wangari Muta Maathai, the Kenyan environmentalist who won the 2004 Peace Prize, said the win for Obama, whose father was Kenyan, would help Africa move forward. I think it is extraordinary, she said. It will be even greater inspiration for the world. He has shown how we can probably come together, work together in a cooperative way. The award comes at a crucial time for Obama, who has initiated peace missions to key parts of the globe. Obama's envoy to the Middle East, George Mitchell, has returned to the region to advocate for peace negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians. Mitchell met Thursday with Israeli President Shimon Peres. He plans to meet Friday with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu before talking with Palestinian leaders in the West Bank. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton starts a six-day trip to Europe and Russia on Friday. On the trip, the secretary will discuss the next steps on Iran and North Korea, and international efforts to have the two countries end their nuclear programs. The centerpiece of the trip will be her visit to Moscow, where she will work toward an
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?
great, it's on the list! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:51:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Keith, you're doing yourself a service by taking these in. When I first saw Jackie Brown, I came into the room just after the credits had run. Watching it all the way through (and being thoroughly delighted by it), I was dumbfounded to see Tarantino's anme as the director. Felt nothing like his usual oeuvre, which made the experience all the better, to say nothing of it making him one of my favorite directors. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 01:52:44 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? thanks for that. I guess I need to look up Reservoir Dogs, finally see all of Pulp Fiction, and take in Jackie Brown. that last starts more arguments than the question I raised does. I hear people say it was his best movie ever, but others say no, because it's the least Tarantino-like film, and therefore can't be his best film ever. I think I know this answer, but how do you feel about his usage of the n-word so much in his movies? Remember when Spike Lee all but wanted to have him taken out for that? Spike even counted the number of times the word was used in individual movies--I think Jackie Brown was the one that set him off--and said it was too much. - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:14:37 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Kill Bill was the exception and it was very intentional. It was his fanboy movie and he threw everything he loved up there on the screen. His other films are more nods than homages to the stuff he loves. He has his own eccentricities like the obsession with women's feet, pop culture references and his infamous trunk shot that appears in every movie but it's his style. Jackie Brown still remains his most accomplished and grown up movie imho and he manages to evoke the feelings of his influences without the direct homages. Inglorious Basterds was very well done and a step forward for him. The ad campaign doesn't really do it justice. People went in expecting the movie to be about Brad Pitt and crew scalpin' Nazis but got much more. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: It's really good, but let me ask you: does Tarantino ever go too far in his homages/copying of other genres for your taste? For example, I loved Kill Bill, but by the time the Bride and Lu's character were fighting in the garden, complete with the water thing going, I felt as if I were being hit over the head with homages. I guess it's one thing to have touches from other films in your movie, but Tarantino literally stuffs his films with those, and it's not very subtle. Not complaining, mind you. I've only seen two of his films, so don't know if his originality outshines his homages, or if he simply repackages the homages in a skillful enough way so that one doesn't mind. After all, there are very few original ideas in Hollywood, so recycling old themes isn't by itself a crime. - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:35:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? That was Sofie Fatale. Julie Dreyfus also has a small but meaty role in Inglorious Basterds. *putting away my Japanese special edition boxed set of Kill Bill Vol. 1* I guess you can say I'm fan. The cinematic references, cameos and injokes from the movie are heaven for fans of Asian, Italian and 70s grindhouse cinema. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Wow, you must be a fan! Who was the lady who was Lucy Lu's sidekick? The one who was half Asian and described as Dressed like a villain from Star Trek? I wish she'd been given more to do (i must admit because i couldn't stop staring at her) - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaiju66@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:47:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? It could
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds?
sorry Martin, I posted before seeing you'd already posted. This is a shocker. I'm not sure I agree with it, in terms of other people who might be more deserving at this moment. I get their thinking, but don't think I'd have done it. Still, you're right, just as Beck and Limbaugh were gloating over Obama's failure with the Olympic selection, they get to realize once again how much he's respected in the rest of the world. And nothing pisses off xenophobic bigoted jingoists more than a man of color being respected by foreigners. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:37:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds? Don't worry. That's just Beck and Limbaugh, coming to terms with this news... President Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/ If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
[scifinoir2] Sanctuary Marathon on SyFy Today
SyFy is running an all day marathon of the series Sanctuary today, leading up to the premiere of season two tonight at 10 pm EST. I must admit i was lukewarm on the series when it debuted, but grew to like it a bit more. The early shows had a moribund sense to them that I found offputting. They were all dark, and by that, I mean in terms of sets, lighting, production value, not in tone. It was too obviously a show built around a whole lot of CGI and bluescreen work. The plots, too, weren't exactly scintillating. We've discussed before the need for some shows to have a focused villain, an ongoing struggle with a person or group that's the polar opposite of the show's stars. That's not always needed, but sometimes it helps. I think Sanctuary got better toward the end of the season as that took place. When they brought in some more characters and started laying the foundations for a backstory of a power struggle going it, it got better. Stories and production values went up as well, especially once they started leaving the CGI sets and doing more real world things. It's still not on my must-see list, but I'll give it a go. Since I'm stuck at home today awaiting delivery of a fridge while working, guess I'll watch the marathon.
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds?
Rush is already pressing the speed dial button to his Oxycontin dealer. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: sorry Martin, I posted before seeing you'd already posted. This is a shocker. I'm not sure I agree with it, in terms of other people who might be more deserving at this moment. I get their thinking, but don't think I'd have done it. Still, you're right, just as Beck and Limbaugh were gloating over Obama's failure with the Olympic selection, they get to realize once again how much he's respected in the rest of the world. And nothing pisses off xenophobic bigoted jingoists more than a man of color being respected by foreigners. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:37:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds? Don't worry. That's just Beck and Limbaugh, coming to terms with this news... President Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/ If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds?
Good one! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Rush is already pressing the speed dial button to his Oxycontin dealer. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@...wrote: sorry Martin, I posted before seeing you'd already posted. This is a shocker. I'm not sure I agree with it, in terms of other people who might be more deserving at this moment. I get their thinking, but don't think I'd have done it. Still, you're right, just as Beck and Limbaugh were gloating over Obama's failure with the Olympic selection, they get to realize once again how much he's respected in the rest of the world. And nothing pisses off xenophobic bigoted jingoists more than a man of color being respected by foreigners. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:37:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds? Don't worry. That's just Beck and Limbaugh, coming to terms with this news... President Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/ If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoftâs powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...)
It can be argued that neither President Woodrow Wilson nor President Theodore Roosevelt deserved their Nobel Peace Prizes. That Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has one is criminal. I, personally, think President Carter deserves his). On the Peace Prize continuum Obama is probably somewhere in between Kissinger and Aung San Suu Kyi. You know who else has a Nobel Peace Prize? Yasser Arafat F.W. de Klerk Mikhail Gorbachev Willy Brant George C. Marshall ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I'm not sure I agree with this. Obama is taking the first steps toward trying to improve things, but I don't know that he's amassed the body of work that King did, or even Jimmy Carter when he was trying to broker peace in the Mideast. I wonder, is this more of a usage of the Prize to remind Americans to act right and not go back down the Bush path of Big Stick diplomacy? Is it a gentle nudge to Obama to not make Afghanistan the nextAfghanistan? I think I'd have chosen Bill Clinton for his foundation's work before Obama. Either way, the backlash from those who hate him will simply be more intense hatred, and what a burden to carry now, especially when he's trying to decide how many more troops to send into Afghanistan. I can see people criticizing any moves now that are seen are aggressive or overly militaristic, coming from the Peace Prize winner. I hope the prize doesn't become a millstone around his neck... * (CNN) -- President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday, a stunning decision that comes just eight months into his presidency. The Norwegian Nobel Committee said it honored Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The president had not been mentioned as among front-runners for the prize, and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, uttered Obama's name. The president, who was awakened to be told he had won, said he was humbled to be selected, according to an administration official. The Nobel committee recognized Obama's efforts to solve complex global problems including working toward a world free of nuclear weapons. Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future, the committee said. Jagland said the decision was unanimous and came with ease. He rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet Union. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population, it said. Obama's recognition comes less than a year after he became the first African-American to win the White House. He is the fourth U.S. president to win the prestigious prize and the third sitting president to do so. The announcement Friday in Oslo, Norway, came as a surprise -- Obama had not been mentioned among front-runners -- and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, announced Obama's name. VideoWatch announcement of Obama as Nobel recipient » Jagland said the decision was unanimous and came with ease. He rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet Union. Jagland said he hoped the prize would help Obama resolve the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. VideoListen to Jagland explain why Obama was this year's choice » Former Finnish President Martti Ahtisaari, last year's laureate, said it was clear the Nobel committee wanted to encourage Obama on the issues he has been discussing on the world stage. I see this as an important encouragement, Ahtisaari said. The committee wanted to be far more daring than in recent times and make an impact on global politics, said Kristian Berg Harpviken, director of the International Peace Research Institute. And Wangari Muta Maathai, the Kenyan environmentalist who won the 2004 Peace Prize, said the win for Obama, whose father was Kenyan, would help Africa move forward. I think it is extraordinary, she said. It will be even greater inspiration for the world. He has shown how we can probably come together, work together in a cooperative way. The award comes at a crucial time for Obama, who has initiated peace missions to key parts of the globe.
[scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?
Keith, have you noticed how little power the word nigger has to wound these days? It has joined the ranks of spook, jiggaboo, spearchucker and tar baby - which are currently more likely to incite a smile than a beat down. One day when somebody calls my as yet unborn grandson a nigger it will have as much power to wound as when you currently call a white person a honkie. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Just to ask, how in your mind does QT using the n-word in the context of the worlds of his movies differ from black people doing it? I remember watching the movie The Best Man (I think it was), the guys casually used the n-word quite a bit. I may be wrong, maybe it was The Wood. At any rate, it was a black comedy that was one of those that'd be seen by black families, and i was a bit surprised at how casually the word was thrown around. And of course Jay-Z has recently argued with Oprah Winfrey that the word should be used by people like him in order to take away its power--an argument I have never supported. To be clear, I grew up in a time when the n-word was casually used all the time. I no longer use it myself, but I have tons of relatives and friends who do use it, typically when they're pissed at someone. I am admittedly from that school that may not like it when a black person uses the word, but who *hates* it when a white person directs it a black person. But that said, QT, I must admit, wasn't hurling it at black people as a personal insult, just using it in the context of the world he'd built onscreen--a world based on teh Blaxploitation movies he'd absorbed as a kid. So, if he's using characters from such a world, and if we admit that such characters --like Jay Z--still use the word quite a bit, is QT wrong for capturing that onscreen? I don't have a full opinion, again, because I've only seen two of his pictures. I remember the n-word being tossed around in Pulp Fiction when QT's character was pissed at the black man who'd been accidentally killed. I flinched everytime he said it, but figured, he's playing a racist character, which is the point. Of course we could argue that there's something disturbing about QT's fascination with one aspect of Black culture, but does that make him racist, clueless, confused, what? - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 9:27:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but  who's left to kill?  Jackie Brown is Tarantino doing Elmore Leonard. He captures the plot and feeling of the novel but changed the setting of the book from Florida to California and changed Jackie Burke to Jackie Brown and made her black. There are a few other minor changes but the movie plays just like the novel and is better for it. I definitely agreed with Spike Lee's concerns and although QT had his blood up I think the criticism stung him. His subsequent movies have definitely toned it down. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: great, it's on the list! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:51:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Keith, you're doing yourself a service by taking these in. When I first saw Jackie Brown, I came into the room just after the credits had run. Watching it all the way through (and being thoroughly delighted by it), I was dumbfounded to see Tarantino's anme as the director. Felt nothing like his usual oeuvre, which made the experience all the better, to say nothing of it making him one of my favorite directors. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 01:52:44 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? thanks for that. I guess I need to look up Reservoir Dogs, finally see all of Pulp Fiction, and take in Jackie Brown. that last starts more arguments than the question I raised does. I hear people say it was his best movie ever, but others say no, because it's the least Tarantino-like film, and therefore can't be his best film ever. I think I know this answer, but how do you feel about his usage of the n-word so much in his movies? Remember when Spike Lee all but wanted to have him taken out for that? Spike
[scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?
Unfortunately it's no different and I find the use of the word cringeworthy most of the time. So no he doesn't get a pass but neither do other filmakers who do it for shock value. Like you mentioned a lot of black folks use the word casually and the characters in Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown use it pretty much in character. I had bigger problems with the usage in Pulp Fiction than in Jackie brown to be perfectly honest. I think part of it was Samuel L. Jackson's persona and the characters on the screen. In Jackie Brown it fit because Ordell was that type of guy. In Pulp Fiction Jules, Marcellus and even the rednecks usage fit the characters but QT's character talking about Dead N* Storage rang hollow. He was Jules' friend and they were in a jam but that level of disrespect seemed fake. My wife thought that Tracie Thoms character's few n-bombs seemed forced in Death Proof because it was so not like the characters she had done before. I didn't have that baggage and I thought it fit the role. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Just to ask, how in your mind does QT using the n-word in the context of the worlds of his movies differ from black people doing it? I remember watching the movie The Best Man (I think it was), the guys casually used the n-word quite a bit. I may be wrong, maybe it was The Wood. At any rate, it was a black comedy that was one of those that'd be seen by black families, and i was a bit surprised at how casually the word was thrown around. And of course Jay-Z has recently argued with Oprah Winfrey that the word should be used by people like him in order to take away its power--an argument I have never supported. To be clear, I grew up in a time when the n-word was casually used all the time. I no longer use it myself, but I have tons of relatives and friends who do use it, typically when they're pissed at someone. I am admittedly from that school that may not like it when a black person uses the word, but who *hates* it when a white person directs it a black person. But that said, QT, I must admit, wasn't hurling it at black people as a personal insult, just using it in the context of the world he'd built onscreen--a world based on teh Blaxploitation movies he'd absorbed as a kid. So, if he's using characters from such a world, and if we admit that such characters --like Jay Z--still use the word quite a bit, is QT wrong for capturing that onscreen? I don't have a full opinion, again, because I've only seen two of his pictures. I remember the n-word being tossed around in Pulp Fiction when QT's character was pissed at the black man who'd been accidentally killed. I flinched everytime he said it, but figured, he's playing a racist character, which is the point. Of course we could argue that there's something disturbing about QT's fascination with one aspect of Black culture, but does that make him racist, clueless, confused, what? - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 9:27:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but  who's left to kill?  Jackie Brown is Tarantino doing Elmore Leonard. He captures the plot and feeling of the novel but changed the setting of the book from Florida to California and changed Jackie Burke to Jackie Brown and made her black. There are a few other minor changes but the movie plays just like the novel and is better for it. I definitely agreed with Spike Lee's concerns and although QT had his blood up I think the criticism stung him. His subsequent movies have definitely toned it down. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: great, it's on the list! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:51:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Keith, you're doing yourself a service by taking these in. When I first saw Jackie Brown, I came into the room just after the credits had run. Watching it all the way through (and being thoroughly delighted by it), I was dumbfounded to see Tarantino's anme as the director. Felt nothing like his usual oeuvre, which made the experience all the better, to say nothing of it making him one of my favorite directors. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 01:52:44 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2]
[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
Keith, to quote Homer: There is nothing nobler or more admirable than when two people who see eye to eye keep house as man and wife, confounding their enemies and delighting their friends. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Ha, trust me, my wife doesn't hide her opinions. In fact she was the one who asked me to rent Catwoman because of the things I've said. She *wanted* to like the film. She wanted to support Berry having fun with the role. She thought it'd be a fun romp in which we could laugh at the goofy/sexualized portrayal. My wife loves to cheer for actresses who do their thing, especially Black ones. But it was so bad she just shook her head... - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:15:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of Catwoman. When i told her of this discussion, she laughed her head off. That movie was horrible! she said. Well, Keith, if she admitted it she wouldn't be a closet fan. She'd be out here in the open with the rest of us Cat lovers. ~rave!
RE: [scifinoir2] Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...)
While I agree with you, They nominated him 2 weeks into his presidency. If was before the Cairo speech, the statements to Israel, the efforts with Nuclear bombs, et al. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:48 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...) It can be argued that neither President Woodrow Wilson nor President Theodore Roosevelt deserved their Nobel Peace Prizes. That Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has one is criminal. I, personally, think President Carter deserves his). On the Peace Prize continuum Obama is probably somewhere in between Kissinger and Aung San Suu Kyi. You know who else has a Nobel Peace Prize? Yasser Arafat F.W. de Klerk Mikhail Gorbachev Willy Brant George C. Marshall ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I'm not sure I agree with this. Obama is taking the first steps toward trying to improve things, but I don't know that he's amassed the body of work that King did, or even Jimmy Carter when he was trying to broker peace in the Mideast. I wonder, is this more of a usage of the Prize to remind Americans to act right and not go back down the Bush path of Big Stick diplomacy? Is it a gentle nudge to Obama to not make Afghanistan the nextAfghanistan? I think I'd have chosen Bill Clinton for his foundation's work before Obama. Either way, the backlash from those who hate him will simply be more intense hatred, and what a burden to carry now, especially when he's trying to decide how many more troops to send into Afghanistan. I can see people criticizing any moves now that are seen are aggressive or overly militaristic, coming from the Peace Prize winner. I hope the prize doesn't become a millstone around his neck... * (CNN) -- President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday, a stunning decision that comes just eight months into his presidency. The Norwegian Nobel Committee said it honored Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The president had not been mentioned as among front-runners for the prize, and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, uttered Obama's name. The president, who was awakened to be told he had won, said he was humbled to be selected, according to an administration official. The Nobel committee recognized Obama's efforts to solve complex global problems including working toward a world free of nuclear weapons. Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future, the committee said. Jagland said the decision was unanimous and came with ease. He rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet Union. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population, it said. Obama's recognition comes less than a year after he became the first African-American to win the White House. He is the fourth U.S. president to win the prestigious prize and the third sitting president to do so. The announcement Friday in Oslo, Norway, came as a surprise -- Obama had not been mentioned among front-runners -- and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, announced Obama's name. VideoWatch announcement of Obama as Nobel recipient » Jagland said the decision was unanimous and came with ease. He rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet Union. Jagland said he hoped the prize would help Obama resolve the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. VideoListen to Jagland explain why Obama was this year's choice » Former Finnish President Martti Ahtisaari, last year's laureate, said it was clear the Nobel committee wanted to encourage Obama on the issues he has been discussing on the world stage. I see this as an important encouragement, Ahtisaari said. The committee wanted to be far more daring than in recent times and make an impact on global politics, said Kristian Berg Harpviken, director of the International Peace Research Institute. And Wangari Muta Maathai, the Kenyan environmentalist who won the 2004 Peace Prize, said the win for
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I missed it, being at work. D: Is there a transcript or YouTube of it somewhere? Would love to watch! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: Did you happen to catch President Obama's funny, humble and self-effacing press conference? I thought he hit all the right notes. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: While I agree with you, They nominated him 2 weeks into his presidency. If was before the Cairo speech, the statements to Israel, the efforts with Nuclear bombs, et al. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:48 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...) It can be argued that neither President Woodrow Wilson nor President Theodore Roosevelt deserved their Nobel Peace Prizes. That Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has one is criminal. I, personally, think President Carter deserves his). On the Peace Prize continuum Obama is probably somewhere in between Kissinger and Aung San Suu Kyi. You know who else has a Nobel Peace Prize? Yasser Arafat F.W. de Klerk Mikhail Gorbachev Willy Brant George C. Marshall ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I'm not sure I agree with this. Obama is taking the first steps toward trying to improve things, but I don't know that he's amassed the body of work that King did, or even Jimmy Carter when he was trying to broker peace in the Mideast. I wonder, is this more of a usage of the Prize to remind Americans to act right and not go back down the Bush path of Big Stick diplomacy? Is it a gentle nudge to Obama to not make Afghanistan the nextAfghanistan? I think I'd have chosen Bill Clinton for his foundation's work before Obama. Either way, the backlash from those who hate him will simply be more intense hatred, and what a burden to carry now, especially when he's trying to decide how many more troops to send into Afghanistan. I can see people criticizing any moves now that are seen are aggressive or overly militaristic, coming from the Peace Prize winner. I hope the prize doesn't become a millstone around his neck... * (CNN) -- President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday, a stunning decision that comes just eight months into his presidency. The Norwegian Nobel Committee said it honored Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The president had not been mentioned as among front-runners for the prize, and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, uttered Obama's name. The president, who was awakened to be told he had won, said he was humbled to be selected, according to an administration official. The Nobel committee recognized Obama's efforts to solve complex global problems including working toward a world free of nuclear weapons. Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future, the committee said. Jagland said the decision was unanimous and came with ease. He rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet Union. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population, it said. Obama's recognition comes less than a year after he became the first African-American to win the White House. He is the fourth U.S. president to win the prestigious prize and the third sitting president to do so. The announcement Friday in Oslo, Norway, came as a surprise -- Obama had not been mentioned among front-runners -- and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, announced Obama's name. VideoWatch announcement of Obama as Nobel recipient » Jagland said the decision was unanimous and came with ease. He
[scifinoir2] Currently playing at the Budget Theater
Currently playing at the Budget Theater ($2.00 a showing! Popcorn with REAL butter!): Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince G.I. Joe: the Rise of the Cobra The Hangover Public Enemies The Proposal UP (I know where my scarce entertainment dollars are going next week!) ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?
Gotta disagree with you there. I think it wounds *some* less nowadays, but I can give you a list as long as my arm of people--me included--who see red if called that by a white person. And I know some young brothers and sisters who thought they were immune to its power because they hear it all the time in rap music. But, when they are the targets of its directed hate by a white person, and therefore confronted with all the evil that goes behind it, they were indeed, wounded. Your point that it's gradually losing its power as new generations come who are further removed from the bad old days is well taken. But if we teach our history and remind those new generations of where we've come from, I don't know that it'll really become so innocuous. That depends a great deal on whether this nation as a whole abandons racism. If we ever truly become post-racial, I can see it losing its sting. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 10:58:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Keith, have you noticed how little power the word nigger has to wound these days? It has joined the ranks of spook, jiggaboo, spearchucker and tar baby - which are currently more likely to incite a smile than a beat down. One day when somebody calls my as yet unborn grandson a nigger it will have as much power to wound as when you currently call a white person a honkie. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Just to ask, how in your mind does QT using the n-word in the context of the worlds of his movies differ from black people doing it? I remember watching the movie The Best Man (I think it was), the guys casually used the n-word quite a bit. I may be wrong, maybe it was The Wood. At any rate, it was a black comedy that was one of those that'd be seen by black families, and i was a bit surprised at how casually the word was thrown around. And of course Jay-Z has recently argued with Oprah Winfrey that the word should be used by people like him in order to take away its power--an argument I have never supported. To be clear, I grew up in a time when the n-word was casually used all the time. I no longer use it myself, but I have tons of relatives and friends who do use it, typically when they're pissed at someone. I am admittedly from that school that may not like it when a black person uses the word, but who *hates* it when a white person directs it a black person. But that said, QT, I must admit, wasn't hurling it at black people as a personal insult, just using it in the context of the world he'd built onscreen--a world based on teh Blaxploitation movies he'd absorbed as a kid. So, if he's using characters from such a world, and if we admit that such characters --like Jay Z--still use the word quite a bit, is QT wrong for capturing that onscreen? I don't have a full opinion, again, because I've only seen two of his pictures. I remember the n-word being tossed around in Pulp Fiction when QT's character was pissed at the black man who'd been accidentally killed. I flinched everytime he said it, but figured, he's playing a racist character, which is the point. Of course we could argue that there's something disturbing about QT's fascination with one aspect of Black culture, but does that make him racist, clueless, confused, what? - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 9:27:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but  who's left to kill?  Jackie Brown is Tarantino doing Elmore Leonard. He captures the plot and feeling of the novel but changed the setting of the book from Florida to California and changed Jackie Burke to Jackie Brown and made her black. There are a few other minor changes but the movie plays just like the novel and is better for it. I definitely agreed with Spike Lee's concerns and although QT had his blood up I think the criticism stung him. His subsequent movies have definitely toned it down. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: great, it's on the list! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:51:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Keith, you're doing yourself a service by taking these in. When I first saw Jackie Brown, I came into the room just after the credits had run. Watching it all the way through (and being
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
Man that's beautiful! I have to admit I'd never heard that before. Cool! You gettin' all Cornel West up in this joint! - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 11:20:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Keith, to quote Homer: There is nothing nobler or more admirable than when two people who see eye to eye keep house as man and wife, confounding their enemies and delighting their friends. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Ha, trust me, my wife doesn't hide her opinions. In fact she was the one who asked me to rent Catwoman because of the things I've said. She *wanted* to like the film. She wanted to support Berry having fun with the role. She thought it'd be a fun romp in which we could laugh at the goofy/sexualized portrayal. My wife loves to cheer for actresses who do their thing, especially Black ones. But it was so bad she just shook her head... - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:15:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of Catwoman. When i told her of this discussion, she laughed her head off. That movie was horrible! she said. Well, Keith, if she admitted it she wouldn't be a closet fan. She'd be out here in the open with the rest of us Cat lovers. ~rave!
[scifinoir2] Progressives Need To Hold Obama To Vision Honored By Nobel
Hey! President Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize, apparently. I must admit, when I first heard this, my instinct was to email http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/24/the-yes-men-interview-wit_n_299019 .html Andy Bichlbaum to see if the Yes Men were behind this. But, no! This is a thing, and it's actually happening. Now, if we can find a way to harness the awesome power http://twitter.com/dceiver/status/4734681878 of eleventy billion Kanye West jokes for good, there's no end to the wonderful things we can accomplish! Apparently, Obama was awoken early this morning by Robert Gibbs with the news, which surely led to an awkward moment where Obama said, Seriously, Gibbs, I am going to hurt you, if this is a joke. Obama is reported to have said that he was humbled by the accolade, which is probably the appropriate response for someone who is poised to escalate a war in Afghanistan, and whose government just http://www.samaylive.com/news/nasas-moon-bombing-begins/661106.html bombed the Moon, in keeping with counterinsurgency strategy. But seriously: premature, much? Speaking only for myself, I think that Obama has done a good preliminary job in steering the tone of some contentious international relationships back in a serviceable direction. His commitment to nuclear non-proliferation has and continues to be strong. When the aftermath of the Iran election yielded a fruitful new populist movement on the streets of Tehran, Obama didn't muck it up with a lot of pointless bluster and interference for the sake of demonstrating American steadfastness. But, this is what those in the accomplishment and accolade business should call a good start. Still, there is promise knit up in this award, and opportunities, if they are properly exploited. John Bolton wants http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzZkNzg0MDVhMWJjNmI2YTc1NTZkZTJlNG M0NzI4NzA= Obama to return the award -- knowing Bolton, he'd probably like it thrown very hard at the head of Ban Ki-moon -- but Spencer Ackerman rightly cautions that http://washingtonindependent.com/63375/its-not-the-achievements-its-the-jou rney-itself such a move would be pointlessly counterproductive: But turning it down would be a slap in the face to an international community that is showing, in the most generous way possible, that it wants the U.S. back as a leading component of the global order. The issue is not Barack Obama. It's what the president represents internationally: a symbol of an America that is willing, once again, to drive the international system forward, together, toward the humane positive-sum goals of peace and disarmament. The fact that Obama hasn't gotten the planet there misses the point entirely. It's that he's beginning, slowly, to take the world again down the path. Glenn http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/10/09/obama/index.html Greenwald, however, urges us to remember that the award can't gloss over some of the policies over which Obama has presided that are the very opposite of peace. Through no fault of his own, Obama presides over a massive war-making state that spends on its military close to what the rest of the world spends combined. The U.S. accounts for almost 70% of worldwide arms sales. We're currently occupying and waging wars in two separate Muslim countries and making clear we reserve the right to attack a third. Someone who made meaningful changes to those realities would truly be a man of peace. It's unreasonable to expect that Obama would magically transform all of this in nine months, and he certainly hasn't. Instead, he presides over it and is continuing much of it. One can reasonably debate how much blame he merits for all of that, but there are simply no meaningful peace accomplishment in his record -- at least not yet -- and there's plenty of the opposite. That's what makes this Prize so painfully and self-evidently ludicrous. I think that Greenwald would agree with Ackerman when he says, Progressives have a unique responsibility to hold Obama to his own stated vision, and the vision that the Nobel committee honored today. This is an important admonition. See, as an American, I'm obviously bursting with pride that an American won this award. We should remember that the vision of this place called America begins with each of its citizens, and the power that supports that vision is loaned, by us, to people like Barack Obama. So, this Nobel Peace Prize, first and foremost, is a reflection of this nation's greatness and generosity as well as a reminder of what we all must strive to live up to. At any rate, the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to Obama has http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/10/palin_vaughn_rabinowi tz_win_aw.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 already angered Richard Cohen, which is a pretty good start as far as the cause of worldwide peace and human decency is concerned! Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/09/obama-won-the-nobel-peace_n_315226. html Tracey de Morsella,
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...)
Me too From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:36 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...) I missed it, being at work. D: Is there a transcript or YouTube of it somewhere? Would love to watch! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: Did you happen to catch President Obama's funny, humble and self-effacing press conference? I thought he hit all the right notes. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: While I agree with you, They nominated him 2 weeks into his presidency. If was before the Cairo speech, the statements to Israel, the efforts with Nuclear bombs, et al. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:48 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...) It can be argued that neither President Woodrow Wilson nor President Theodore Roosevelt deserved their Nobel Peace Prizes. That Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has one is criminal. I, personally, think President Carter deserves his). On the Peace Prize continuum Obama is probably somewhere in between Kissinger and Aung San Suu Kyi. You know who else has a Nobel Peace Prize? Yasser Arafat F.W. de Klerk Mikhail Gorbachev Willy Brant George C. Marshall ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I'm not sure I agree with this. Obama is taking the first steps toward trying to improve things, but I don't know that he's amassed the body of work that King did, or even Jimmy Carter when he was trying to broker peace in the Mideast. I wonder, is this more of a usage of the Prize to remind Americans to act right and not go back down the Bush path of Big Stick diplomacy? Is it a gentle nudge to Obama to not make Afghanistan the nextAfghanistan? I think I'd have chosen Bill Clinton for his foundation's work before Obama. Either way, the backlash from those who hate him will simply be more intense hatred, and what a burden to carry now, especially when he's trying to decide how many more troops to send into Afghanistan. I can see people criticizing any moves now that are seen are aggressive or overly militaristic, coming from the Peace Prize winner. I hope the prize doesn't become a millstone around his neck... * (CNN) -- President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday, a stunning decision that comes just eight months into his presidency. The Norwegian Nobel Committee said it honored Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The president had not been mentioned as among front-runners for the prize, and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, uttered Obama's name. The president, who was awakened to be told he had won, said he was humbled to be selected, according to an administration official. The Nobel committee recognized Obama's efforts to solve complex global problems including working toward a world free of nuclear weapons. Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future, the committee said. Jagland said the decision was unanimous and came with ease. He rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet Union. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population, it said. Obama's recognition comes less than a year after he became the first African-American to win the White House. He is the fourth U.S. president to win the prestigious prize and the third sitting president to do so. The announcement Friday in Oslo, Norway, came as a surprise -- Obama had not been mentioned among front-runners -- and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, announced Obama's
[scifinoir2] Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...)
The beauty of this award is that in fifty years it is going to either look like prescient genius or one of the most boneheaded picks of all time (and there have been some head scratchers). To the point of deserving it, Rev. Ralph Albernathy was not shy about voicing his opinion that HE deserved at least half of Dr. Martin Luther King's peace prize money. It can be argued that many did more work and made larger sacrifices than Dr. King, who would often fly in after the hard work had been done and get all the glory. I make the Taylor Swift argument: Let's not spoil Obama's moment (whether or not his video was the best of 2008). ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Point it's gone to others that may be deserving. I can't argue that at all. But that doesn't make it appropriate for Obama. I just think there are many more people doing work right now better deserving of it.As for past winners, complete list here: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/ - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 10:47:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...) It can be argued that neither President Woodrow Wilson nor President Theodore Roosevelt deserved their Nobel Peace Prizes. That Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has one is criminal. I, personally, think President Carter deserves his). On the Peace Prize continuum Obama is probably somewhere in between Kissinger and Aung San Suu Kyi. You know who else has a Nobel Peace Prize? Yasser Arafat F.W. de Klerk Mikhail Gorbachev Willy Brant George C. Marshall ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I'm not sure I agree with this. Obama is taking the first steps toward trying to improve things, but I don't know that he's amassed the body of work that King did, or even Jimmy Carter when he was trying to broker peace in the Mideast. I wonder, is this more of a usage of the Prize to remind Americans to act right and not go back down the Bush path of Big Stick diplomacy? Is it a gentle nudge to Obama to not make Afghanistan the nextAfghanistan? I think I'd have chosen Bill Clinton for his foundation's work before Obama. Either way, the backlash from those who hate him will simply be more intense hatred, and what a burden to carry now, especially when he's trying to decide how many more troops to send into Afghanistan. I can see people criticizing any moves now that are seen are aggressive or overly militaristic, coming from the Peace Prize winner. I hope the prize doesn't become a millstone around his neck... * (CNN) -- President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday, a stunning decision that comes just eight months into his presidency. The Norwegian Nobel Committee said it honored Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The president had not been mentioned as among front-runners for the prize, and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, uttered Obama's name. The president, who was awakened to be told he had won, said he was humbled to be selected, according to an administration official. The Nobel committee recognized Obama's efforts to solve complex global problems including working toward a world free of nuclear weapons. Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future, the committee said. Jagland said the decision was unanimous and came with ease. He rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet Union. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population, it said. Obama's recognition comes less than a year after he became the first African-American to win the White House. He is the fourth U.S. president to win the prestigious prize and the third sitting president to do so. The announcement Friday in Oslo, Norway, came as a surprise -- Obama had not been mentioned among front-runners -- and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, announced Obama's name. VideoWatch announcement of Obama as Nobel
Re: [scifinoir2] Currently playing at the Budget Theater
There used to be a dollar theatre near me where we'd go see movies like that. It's where I saw Deep Blue Sea. Once the area became predominantly Latino, the owners closed the theatre. The only two dollar theatre near me now in Atlanta is at least twenty-five miles away. Fortunately there's a five dollar theatre only two miles away, which is where my wife and I see the bulk of our movies. We catch all the indie fare and animation (like Ponyo) at another theatre that's about seven miles away, but it doesn't discount movies. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 11:49:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Currently playing at the Budget Theater Currently playing at the Budget Theater ($2.00 a showing! Popcorn with REAL butter!): Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince G.I. Joe: the Rise of the Cobra The Hangover Public Enemies The Proposal UP (I know where my scarce entertainment dollars are going next week!) ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...)
I can agree we shouldn't spoil his moment. If nothing else, perhaps it can inspire people to honor what the award represents, and help Obama and all involved with him aspire to its ideals. (sorta like just having a diploma or a medal made the Scarecrow and Lion access attributes they didn't think they had). We'll move on, either shaking our heads or grinning at the pick. The Right is jotting this down in the ever-thickening notebook of Why that n-word must *not* succeed! - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 11:58:11 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...) The beauty of this award is that in fifty years it is going to either look like prescient genius or one of the most boneheaded picks of all time (and there have been some head scratchers). To the point of deserving it, Rev. Ralph Albernathy was not shy about voicing his opinion that HE deserved at least half of Dr. Martin Luther King's peace prize money. It can be argued that many did more work and made larger sacrifices than Dr. King, who would often fly in after the hard work had been done and get all the glory. I make the Taylor Swift argument: Let's not spoil Obama's moment (whether or not his video was the best of 2008). ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Point it's gone to others that may be deserving. I can't argue that at all. But that doesn't make it appropriate for Obama. I just think there are many more people doing work right now better deserving of it.As for past winners, complete list here: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/ - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 10:47:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...) It can be argued that neither President Woodrow Wilson nor President Theodore Roosevelt deserved their Nobel Peace Prizes. That Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has one is criminal. I, personally, think President Carter deserves his). On the Peace Prize continuum Obama is probably somewhere in between Kissinger and Aung San Suu Kyi. You know who else has a Nobel Peace Prize? Yasser Arafat F.W. de Klerk Mikhail Gorbachev Willy Brant George C. Marshall ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I'm not sure I agree with this. Obama is taking the first steps toward trying to improve things, but I don't know that he's amassed the body of work that King did, or even Jimmy Carter when he was trying to broker peace in the Mideast. I wonder, is this more of a usage of the Prize to remind Americans to act right and not go back down the Bush path of Big Stick diplomacy? Is it a gentle nudge to Obama to not make Afghanistan the nextAfghanistan? I think I'd have chosen Bill Clinton for his foundation's work before Obama. Either way, the backlash from those who hate him will simply be more intense hatred, and what a burden to carry now, especially when he's trying to decide how many more troops to send into Afghanistan. I can see people criticizing any moves now that are seen are aggressive or overly militaristic, coming from the Peace Prize winner. I hope the prize doesn't become a millstone around his neck... * (CNN) -- President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday, a stunning decision that comes just eight months into his presidency. The Norwegian Nobel Committee said it honored Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The president had not been mentioned as among front-runners for the prize, and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, uttered Obama's name. The president, who was awakened to be told he had won, said he was humbled to be selected, according to an administration official. The Nobel committee recognized Obama's efforts to solve complex global problems including working toward a world free of nuclear weapons. Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future, the committee said. Jagland said the decision was unanimous and came with ease. He rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet
[scifinoir2] Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...)
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: We'll move on, either shaking our heads or grinning at the pick. The Right is jotting this down in the ever-thickening notebook of Why that n-word must *not* succeed! The N-Word is so clunky (not to mention being namby-pamby, intellectually disingenuous and making the 'N' word scarier than it is). That is why I prefer to substitute suffix for the N-word (because it is often implied even when it is not said). http://blackplush.blogspot.com/2008/09/suffix-please.html In any case, ya'll still my suffixes! ~rave!
[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
That's Cabin Fever. It was Eli Roth's first film and it's just so out there you can't help but like it. Not a big fan of Hostel(but Hostel 2 is a guilty pleasure for some reason) but his humor and crowd pleasing finales set his movies apart from something like the Saw series. BTW Dog Soldiers was made by Neil Marshall who later went on to do The Descent and Doomsday. The Descent stands out as one of the best horror movies in recent years...and that's before the fun really even starts. I don't like the torture porn movement but the French have made some intense, ultraviolent thrillers in the recent years that are just jaw dropping. Inside, Matyrs, High Tension and Frontiers are just the tip of the gory iceberg. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I don't do torture porn either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me. I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of his buddies. I forget the name--The Cave?--but it was about the usual group of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday afternoon. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of Torture porn. There isn't a better name for it at this point. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like Shawn of the Dead, Twenty-Eight Days Later, and Dog Soldiers (the later is a movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically ,and is pretty good). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her
[scifinoir2] FW: The real reason Obama won the Nobel
From: borowitzreport.com [mailto:a...@borowitzreport.com] Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:06 AM To: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: The real reason Obama won the Nobel http://borowitzreport.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=49de3335c30245ecd0f a291aaid=c276564446e=10403ecd0a Borowitz Report Borowitz Report http://www.borowitzreport.com/images/header-bottom.jpg October 9, 2009 Nobel Insiders: Beer Summit Sealed it for Obama Rose Garden Bash Gets High Marks in Oslo http://www.borowitzreport.com/Uploads/2fd56c21-c145-439d-a247-726a354971ad. jpg OSLO, NORWAY (The Borowitz Report) - As the world responded with a mixture of surprise and amazement to the announcement of President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize, Nobel insiders revealed that the President's beer summit at the White House put him over the top. The committee was definitely split down the middle right up until the end, said Agot Valle, a Norwegian politician and member of the five-person Nobel committee. Some of them were still quite upset about that nasty business with the Somali pirates. But, according to Ms. Valle, someone brought up the beer summit, and we all agreed that that was awesome. Ms. Valle said she hoped that Mr. Obama's victory would be seen not only as a victory for him, but as a tribute to the healing power of beer. Ms. Valle acknowledged that the President's win was widely considered an upset, with most pundits having expected the prize to go to Mad Men or 30 Rock. Elsewhere, NASA bombed the moon, saying it was the one spot President Bush missed. More here. Andy's Upcoming Events http://www.borowitzreport.com/images/events.jpg Upcoming Events October 24, 2009 at 11:30AM St. Petersburg! Andy performs at the St. Petersburg Times Festival of Reading and signs copies of his new book, Who Moved My Soap? The CEO's Guide to Surviving in Prison: Bernie Madoff Edition. Location: 140 Seventh Avenue South - at Bayboro Harbor For tickets go to http://borowitzreport.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=49de3335c30245ecd0f a291aaid=33d87a68eae=10403ecd0a St. Petersburg Times Festival of Reading http://borowitzreport.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=49de3335c30245ecd0f a291aaid=973a37fd21e=10403ecd0a http://borowitzreport.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=49de3335c30245ecd0f a291aaid=ae5c1a94efe=10403ecd0a The Borowitz Report: Waste Someone's Time: http://borowitzreport.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=49de3335c30245ecd0f a291aaid=a05d4bea20e=10403ecd0a Forward to a Friend. http://borowitzreport.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=49de3335c30245ecd0f a291aaid=35497f9792e=10403ecd0a Sign up today for your own Borowitz Reports. http://borowitzreport.us1.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=49de3335c30245ecd0f a291aaid=743947b930e=10403ecd0ac=a93837b6ee Remove me from this list. http://borowitzreport.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=49de3335c30245ecd0f a291aaid=bb0d0e23f1e=10403ecd0a Delivered by MailChimp http://borowitzreport.us1.list-manage.com/track/open.php?u=49de3335c30245ec d0fa291aaid=a93837b6eee=10403ecd0a
[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
Perhaps I am extremely desensitized (I blame it on being the only black male at all white schools and having to disconnect my emotion chip in order to keep from knocking mofos out - when people ask me how I feel? I say, With my hands)- anyhoo, I find myself able to watch torture porn with dispassion and am, therefore, able to appreciate the craftsmanship or lack of craftsmanship of a particular filmmaker. When I saw Hostel I was very impressed with Eli Roth's skills as a filmmaker. Likewise I remain powerfully impressed with what director James Wan and writer Leigh Whannell accomplished with extreme time, space and monetary restrictions. The Economy of Saw should be taught at film school. I am also a fan of Rob Zombie's work with a movie camera. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B Smith daikaij...@... wrote: That's Cabin Fever. It was Eli Roth's first film and it's just so out there you can't help but like it. Not a big fan of Hostel(but Hostel 2 is a guilty pleasure for some reason) but his humor and crowd pleasing finales set his movies apart from something like the Saw series. BTW Dog Soldiers was made by Neil Marshall who later went on to do The Descent and Doomsday. The Descent stands out as one of the best horror movies in recent years...and that's before the fun really even starts. I don't like the torture porn movement but the French have made some intense, ultraviolent thrillers in the recent years that are just jaw dropping. Inside, Matyrs, High Tension and Frontiers are just the tip of the gory iceberg. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I don't do torture porn either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me. I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of his buddies. I forget the name--The Cave?--but it was about the usual group of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday afternoon. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of Torture porn. There isn't a better name for it at this point. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like Shawn of the Dead, Twenty-Eight Days Later, and Dog Soldiers (the later is a movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically ,and is pretty good). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdlists@ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman,
RE: [scifinoir2] Obama'sAcceptance Speech
The video
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Subject: [scifinoir2] Obama'sAcceptance Speech
Here is the text of the President's statement:
Good morning. Well, this is not how I expected to wake up this morning.
After I received the news, Malia walked in and said, Daddy, you won the
Nobel Peace Prize, and it is Bo's birthday! And then Sasha added, Plus, we
have a three-day weekend coming up. So it's good to have kids to keep
things in perspective.
I am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the Nobel
Committee. Let me be clear: I do not view it as a recognition of my own
accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on
behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations.
To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many
of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and
women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their
courageous pursuit of peace. Reduce...
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But I also know that this prize reflects the kind of world that those men
and women, and all Americans, want to build -- a world that gives life to
the promise of our founding documents. And I know that throughout history,
the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement;
it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes. And that
is why I will accept this award as a call to action -- a call for all
nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century.
These challenges can't be met by any one leader or any one nation. And
that's why my administration has worked to establish a new era of engagement
in which all nations must take responsibility for the world we seek. We
cannot tolerate a world in which nuclear weapons spread to more nations and
in which the terror of a nuclear holocaust endangers more people. And that's
why we've begun to take concrete steps to pursue a world without nuclear
weapons, because all nations have the right to pursue peaceful nuclear
power, but all nations have the responsibility to demonstrate their peaceful
intentions.
We cannot accept the growing threat posed by climate change, which could
forever damage the world that we pass on to our children -- sowing conflict
and famine; destroying coastlines and emptying cities. And that's why all
nations must now accept their share of responsibility for transforming the
way that we use energy.
We can't allow the differences between peoples to define the way that we see
one another, and that's why we must pursue a new beginning among people of
different faiths and races and religions; one based upon mutual interest and
mutual respect.
And we must all do our part to resolve those conflicts that have caused so
much pain and hardship over so many years, and that effort must include an
unwavering commitment that finally realizes that the rights of all Israelis
and Palestinians to live in peace and security in nations of their own.
We can't accept a world in which more people are denied opportunity and
dignity that all people yearn for -- the ability to get an education and
make a decent living; the security that you won't have to live in fear of
disease or violence without hope for the future.
And even as we strive to seek a world in which conflicts are resolved
peacefully and prosperity is widely shared, we have to confront the world as
we know it today. I am the Commander-in-Chief of a country that's
responsible for ending a war and working in another theater to confront a
ruthless adversary that directly threatens the American people and our
allies. I'm also aware that we are dealing with the impact of a global
economic crisis that has left millions of Americans looking for work. These
are concerns that I confront every day on behalf of the American people.
Some of the work confronting us will not be completed during my presidency.
Some, like the elimination of nuclear weapons, may not be completed in my
lifetime. But I know these challenges can be met so long as it's recognized
that they will not be met by one person or one nation alone. This award is
not simply about
[scifinoir2] The 20 worst science and technology errors in films
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6274053/The-20-worst-science-and-technology-errors-in-films.html The 20 worst science and technology errors in films A far-from-definitive list of the 20 most annoying science and technology errors in films, from slow-moving lasers to extraterrestrials who use Windows Vista. By Tom Chivers Published: 7:30AM BST 09 Oct 2009 Being a science-geek film fan can be exhausting. Its hard to watch some films without wanting to shout at the screen but thats not how evolution works or computers cant do that. Its pedantic, annoying for your fellow moviegoers, and utterly nerdy, but some of us cant help it. So in an attempt to scratch that geeky itch once and for all, here is a list of 20 of the most infuriating science and technology errors in movies. Please add your own or argue with ours below - or, alternatively, use the space to tell us that were nitpicking killjoys who should go out and meet some girls once in a while. We would like to thank TVTropes.org, intuitor.com and wired.com for helping us with our enquiries, and to warn you that some of these may contain spoilers. 1. Aliens are basically humans with silly foreheads The Enterprise, thousands of light-years from Earth, encounters an alien spacecraft. The matter transporter beams one of their number aboard and lo and behold, its Famke Janssen with some makeup on her forehead. Its a similar story with Vulcans (pointy eared humans - see also Romulans), Ferengi (grotesquely deformed humans) and Klingons (humans with Cornish pasties attached). Humanity looks like it does through a very specific set of evolutionary circumstances. Why should aliens look anything like us? And dont say to save on effects budgets. 2. Antigravity love songs Related to the above, with Star Trek again the main offender, although it happens everywhere. We find the idea of sex with our nearest evolutionary relative, the chimpanzee, repellent. And yet we are quite happy with the idea of Captain Kirk doing his interplanetary swordsman thing with a variety of smokin hot space babes. He might as well try it on with a nematode worm: at least it has DNA. Incidentally, Spock is half human, half Vulcan. We have no idea how that is supposed to work. 3. The Ice Storm Star Wars is guilty here. Young Luke grows up on Tatooine, a desert planet; by the start of The Empire Strikes Back, hes found his way to Hoth, an ice planet. Endor is a Forest Moon. Do none of these planets have some warm bits and some cold bits? Do you have to go to a different planet for a skiiing holiday? 4. Alien computers that run Windows Independence Day, were looking at you. It is almost impossible to write a virus that will affect both Macs and PCs. And yet somehow Jeff Goldblums character manages to write a nasty little piece of malware that he can upload into an alien motherships mainframe and bring down its shields. Its a good thing they didnt have Norton Antivirus, or humanity would have been screwed. 5. Slow-moving lasers Laser beams move at the speed of light, largely because they are light. What they dont do is spear through the ether ahead of your X-Wing like giant glowing arrows. In fact, they dont even glow - especially not in space, where there would be no air particles to diffract off. Although - and we have to acknowledge this - it did look much cooler like that. 6. Invisible force fields that stop visible laser beams Again, laser beams are light. Visible light. Anything that stops visible light will stop them - anything visible light can pass through, they can pass through. So how on Earth do they get knocked aside by invisible deflector shields? Mr Lucas? Sir? 7. In space, no-one can hear an elephant scream Did you know the distinctive sound made by the TIE fighters in Star Wars is the bellow of an elephant mixed with a car driving on a wet road? Weird - but not as weird as the fact that they make any sound at all. Sound is a wave that needs to travel through a medium like air. Without particles to move, there can be no sound. 8. Who needs conservation of energy? The Matrix is a great movie. Lots of things dont make sense from a physics point of view inside the Matrix itself, but we can forgive that, because its meant to be a computer simulation - and, of course, because its so cool. But the film is based on the idea that humans are kept alive as a sort of electricity generator (bringing a whole new meaning to the term battery farming). This is not just unlikely - its fundamentally impossible. They will need more energy to keep alive than they will produce. Its like saying youll power your car with batteries, and keep the batteries charged by running a dynamo from the wheels. 9. Dead before you hit the ground In Tim Burtons Batman, the Caped Crusader and Vicki Vale fall from a church tower, But luckily, Batman has a grappling hook, which he launches over the parapet. After falling two or three
[scifinoir2] A moment in Oslo
Let me set the scene: Oslo City Hall, Oslo, Norway, December 2009. Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Barack Obama, resplendent in his black tux and white tie and vest, steps up to podium to accept his award. As he basks in the audience applause, Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele will lurch up onto the stage uninvited. Excuse me, Barack! he will say as he grabs the microphone and shouts, Everybody knows George W. Bush had the best video of 2008! The audience of dignitaries will gasp in shocked amazement as he continues to show a total lack of manners and civility. ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://blackplush.blogspot.com
[scifinoir2] Re: The 20 worst science and technology errors in films
COMMENTS BELOW (I AM NOT YELLING! THIS IS HOW I TALK!) ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, brent wodehouse brent_wodeho...@... wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6274053/The-20-worst-science-and-technology-errors-in-films.html The 20 worst science and technology errors in films 2. Antigravity love songs Related to the above, with Star Trek again the main offender, although it happens everywhere. We find the idea of sex with our nearest evolutionary relative, the chimpanzee, repellent. And yet we are quite happy with the idea of Captain Kirk doing his interplanetary swordsman thing with a variety of smokin' hot space babes. FATE SENT THIS CYBER GROUP A TRIPLE-X VIDEO THAT UNDERSCORED THIS POINT. NO, FATE, DO NOT SEND IT AGAIN!!! 4. Alien computers that run Windows Independence Day, we're looking at you. It is almost impossible to write a virus that will affect both Macs and PCs. And yet somehow Jeff Goldblum's character manages to write a nasty little piece of malware that he can upload into an alien mothership's mainframe and bring down its shields. WHAT? YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE UNIVERSAL TRUISM THAT THE CRAPPIEST TECHNOLOGY ALWAYS WINS IN THE MARKETPLACE? 8. Who needs conservation of energy? But the film is based on the idea that humans are kept alive as a sort of electricity generator (bringing a whole new meaning to the term battery farming). This is not just unlikely - it's fundamentally impossible. They will need more energy to keep alive than they will produce. IT'S LIKE I ALWAYS TELL MY KIDS - MACHINES ARE STUPID. 16. The tears of a clone In Alien: Resurrection the original Ellen Ripley was burned to death in a lake of boiling lava. The DNA might have degraded somewhat. HA! HA! GREAT LINE. 18. Shooting range When you get shot by a gun, you will not fly backwards (see: The Terminator, every John Woo film ever made). This is because a bullet does not weigh very much. A 9mm bullet weighs less than a third of an ounce. If it is travelling at 1,300ft a second (about right) it will knock a 12-stone man backwards at around 0.15 feet a second. He might, in short, stumble slightly. Not hurtle back 20 feet and smash through a shop window. I HATE WHEN SOMEBODY TRIES TO CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS! 19. Explosions are always cool Cars almost never explode when they crash. The mix of fuel and air in the tank is too rich. Similarly, research shows that cigarettes will not set fire to puddles of petrol, no matter how nonchalantly you flick one in. DAYUM! I REALLY HATE WHEN SOMEBODY TRIES TO CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS!
[scifinoir2] Air India pilots, crew come to blows at 30,000 feet
http://emikae.notlong.com Endangering the lives of 106 passengers and grossly violating safety norms, the airline staffers came to blows in the cockpit and galley of the Indian Airlines Airbus A-320 as the aircraft cruised over Pakistan en route to Delhi via Lucknow from Sharjah. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videoshow/5086081.cms
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...)
Interesting Point. As I told someone else on another list. I really like his acceptance. It put everything in the right perspective -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:58 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...) The beauty of this award is that in fifty years it is going to either look like prescient genius or one of the most boneheaded picks of all time (and there have been some head scratchers). To the point of deserving it, Rev. Ralph Albernathy was not shy about voicing his opinion that HE deserved at least half of Dr. Martin Luther King's peace prize money. It can be argued that many did more work and made larger sacrifices than Dr. King, who would often fly in after the hard work had been done and get all the glory. I make the Taylor Swift argument: Let's not spoil Obama's moment (whether or not his video was the best of 2008). ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Point it's gone to others that may be deserving. I can't argue that at all. But that doesn't make it appropriate for Obama. I just think there are many more people doing work right now better deserving of it.As for past winners, complete list here: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/ - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 10:47:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Obama Wins Peace Prize (was: Okay, didn't see this one coming...) It can be argued that neither President Woodrow Wilson nor President Theodore Roosevelt deserved their Nobel Peace Prizes. That Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has one is criminal. I, personally, think President Carter deserves his). On the Peace Prize continuum Obama is probably somewhere in between Kissinger and Aung San Suu Kyi. You know who else has a Nobel Peace Prize? Yasser Arafat F.W. de Klerk Mikhail Gorbachev Willy Brant George C. Marshall ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I'm not sure I agree with this. Obama is taking the first steps toward trying to improve things, but I don't know that he's amassed the body of work that King did, or even Jimmy Carter when he was trying to broker peace in the Mideast. I wonder, is this more of a usage of the Prize to remind Americans to act right and not go back down the Bush path of Big Stick diplomacy? Is it a gentle nudge to Obama to not make Afghanistan the nextAfghanistan? I think I'd have chosen Bill Clinton for his foundation's work before Obama. Either way, the backlash from those who hate him will simply be more intense hatred, and what a burden to carry now, especially when he's trying to decide how many more troops to send into Afghanistan. I can see people criticizing any moves now that are seen are aggressive or overly militaristic, coming from the Peace Prize winner. I hope the prize doesn't become a millstone around his neck... * (CNN) -- President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday, a stunning decision that comes just eight months into his presidency. The Norwegian Nobel Committee said it honored Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The president had not been mentioned as among front-runners for the prize, and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, uttered Obama's name. The president, who was awakened to be told he had won, said he was humbled to be selected, according to an administration official. The Nobel committee recognized Obama's efforts to solve complex global problems including working toward a world free of nuclear weapons. Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future, the committee said. Jagland said the decision was unanimous and came with ease. He rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet Union. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population, it said. Obama's recognition comes less than a year after he became the first African-American to win the White House. He is the fourth U.S. president to win the prestigious prize and the third sitting president
RE: [scifinoir2] Air India pilots, crew come to blows at 30,000 feet
Nah... I'm not worried. Mind you, I am a pilot... Seriously... I am LMNAO. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:34:49 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Air India pilots, crew come to blows at 30,000 feet http://emikae.notlong.com Endangering the lives of 106 passengers and grossly violating safety norms, the airline staffers came to blows in the cockpit and galley of the Indian Airlines Airbus A-320 as the aircraft cruised over Pakistan en route to Delhi via Lucknow from Sharjah. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videoshow/5086081.cms _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The 20 worst science and technology errors in films
Okay, who's got the Prozac today? If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:09:24 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The 20 worst science and technology errors in films COMMENTS BELOW (I AM NOT YELLING! THIS IS HOW I TALK!) ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, brent wodehouse brent_wodeho...@... wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6274053/The-20-worst-science-and-technology-errors-in-films.html The 20 worst science and technology errors in films 2. Antigravity love songs Related to the above, with Star Trek again the main offender, although it happens everywhere. We find the idea of sex with our nearest evolutionary relative, the chimpanzee, repellent. And yet we are quite happy with the idea of Captain Kirk doing his interplanetary swordsman thing with a variety of smokin' hot space babes. FATE SENT THIS CYBER GROUP A TRIPLE-X VIDEO THAT UNDERSCORED THIS POINT. NO, FATE, DO NOT SEND IT AGAIN!!! 4. Alien computers that run Windows Independence Day, we're looking at you. It is almost impossible to write a virus that will affect both Macs and PCs. And yet somehow Jeff Goldblum's character manages to write a nasty little piece of malware that he can upload into an alien mothership's mainframe and bring down its shields. WHAT? YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE UNIVERSAL TRUISM THAT THE CRAPPIEST TECHNOLOGY ALWAYS WINS IN THE MARKETPLACE? 8. Who needs conservation of energy? But the film is based on the idea that humans are kept alive as a sort of electricity generator (bringing a whole new meaning to the term battery farming). This is not just unlikely - it's fundamentally impossible. They will need more energy to keep alive than they will produce. IT'S LIKE I ALWAYS TELL MY KIDS - MACHINES ARE STUPID. 16. The tears of a clone In Alien: Resurrection the original Ellen Ripley was burned to death in a lake of boiling lava. The DNA might have degraded somewhat. HA! HA! GREAT LINE. 18. Shooting range When you get shot by a gun, you will not fly backwards (see: The Terminator, every John Woo film ever made). This is because a bullet does not weigh very much. A 9mm bullet weighs less than a third of an ounce. If it is travelling at 1,300ft a second (about right) it will knock a 12-stone man backwards at around 0.15 feet a second. He might, in short, stumble slightly. Not hurtle back 20 feet and smash through a shop window. I HATE WHEN SOMEBODY TRIES TO CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS! 19. Explosions are always cool Cars almost never explode when they crash. The mix of fuel and air in the tank is too rich. Similarly, research shows that cigarettes will not set fire to puddles of petrol, no matter how nonchalantly you flick one in. DAYUM! I REALLY HATE WHEN SOMEBODY TRIES TO CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS! _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] A moment in Oslo
LMNAATWO If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:47:53 + Subject: [scifinoir2] A moment in Oslo Let me set the scene: Oslo City Hall, Oslo, Norway, December 2009. Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Barack Obama, resplendent in his black tux and white tie and vest, steps up to podium to accept his award. As he basks in the audience applause, Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele will lurch up onto the stage uninvited. Excuse me, Barack! he will say as he grabs the microphone and shouts, Everybody knows George W. Bush had the best video of 2008! The audience of dignitaries will gasp in shocked amazement as he continues to show a total lack of manners and civility. ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://blackplush.blogspot.com _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Obama'sAcceptance Speech
I'll call it note-perfect. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; cdemorse...@yahoo.com; dar...@darylelockhart.com; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; cbilmarket...@yahoo.com; bettil...@msn.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; fis...@bellsouth.net; gwashin...@aol.com; jeffreypbal...@gmail.com; killa...@gmail.com; kalpub...@aol.com; keithbjohn...@comcast.net; imke...@gmail.com; seriousnup...@yahoo.com; logic1...@aol.com; truthseeker...@icqmail.com; mmb1...@gmail.com; gord...@indiana.edu; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; ravena...@yahoo.com; rs...@yahoo.com; everything...@nyc.rr.com; valeryjea...@yahoo.com; wendellsmit...@gmail.com; sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net; williamsf...@speakeasy.net; beta...@yahoo.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:25:20 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] Obama'sAcceptance Speech Here is the text of the President's statement: Good morning. Well, this is not how I expected to wake up this morning. After I received the news, Malia walked in and said, Daddy, you won the Nobel Peace Prize, and it is Bo's birthday! And then Sasha added, Plus, we have a three-day weekend coming up. So it's good to have kids to keep things in perspective. I am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the Nobel Committee. Let me be clear: I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations. To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace. Reduce... But I also know that this prize reflects the kind of world that those men and women, and all Americans, want to build -- a world that gives life to the promise of our founding documents. And I know that throughout history, the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes. And that is why I will accept this award as a call to action -- a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century. These challenges can't be met by any one leader or any one nation. And that's why my administration has worked to establish a new era of engagement in which all nations must take responsibility for the world we seek. We cannot tolerate a world in which nuclear weapons spread to more nations and in which the terror of a nuclear holocaust endangers more people. And that's why we've begun to take concrete steps to pursue a world without nuclear weapons, because all nations have the right to pursue peaceful nuclear power, but all nations have the responsibility to demonstrate their peaceful intentions. We cannot accept the growing threat posed by climate change, which could forever damage the world that we pass on to our children -- sowing conflict and famine; destroying coastlines and emptying cities. And that's why all nations must now accept their share of responsibility for transforming the way that we use energy. We can't allow the differences between peoples to define the way that we see one another, and that's why we must pursue a new beginning among people of different faiths and races and religions; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect. And we must all do our part to resolve those conflicts that have caused so much pain and hardship over so many years, and that effort must include an unwavering commitment that finally realizes that the rights of all Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace and security in nations of their own. We can't accept a world in which more people are denied opportunity and dignity that all people yearn for -- the ability to get an education and make a decent living; the security that you won't have to live in fear of disease or violence without hope for the future. And even as we strive to seek a world in which conflicts are resolved peacefully and prosperity is widely shared, we have to confront the world as we know it today. I am the Commander-in-Chief of a country that's responsible for ending a war and working in another theater to confront a ruthless adversary that directly threatens the American people and our allies. I'm also aware that we are dealing with the impact of a global economic crisis that has left millions of Americans looking for work. These are concerns that I confront every day on behalf of the American people. Some of the work confronting us will not be completed during my presidency. Some, like the elimination of nuclear weapons, may not be completed in my lifetime.
RE: [scifinoir2] FW: The real reason Obama won the Nobel
Beer -- the cause of and answer to so many of life's problems. -- attr. to H Simpson, Esq If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com CC: dar...@darylelockhart.com; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; cbilmarket...@yahoo.com; bettil...@msn.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; fis...@bellsouth.net; gwashin...@aol.com; jeffreypbal...@gmail.com; killa...@gmail.com; kalpub...@aol.com; keithbjohn...@comcast.net; imke...@gmail.com; seriousnup...@yahoo.com; logic1...@aol.com; truthseeker...@icqmail.com; mmb1...@gmail.com; gord...@indiana.edu; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; ravena...@yahoo.com; rs...@yahoo.com; everything...@nyc.rr.com; valeryjea...@yahoo.com; wendellsmit...@gmail.com; sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net; williamsf...@speakeasy.net; beta...@yahoo.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:45:23 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] FW: The real reason Obama won the Nobel From: borowitzreport.com [mailto:a...@borowitzreport.com] Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:06 AM To: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: The real reason Obama won the Nobel October 9, 2009 Nobel Insiders: Beer Summit Sealed it for Obama Rose Garden Bash Gets High Marks in Oslo OSLO, NORWAY (The Borowitz Report) - As the world responded with a mixture of surprise and amazement to the announcement of President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize, Nobel insiders revealed that the President's beer summit at the White House put him over the top. The committee was definitely split down the middle right up until the end, said Agot Valle, a Norwegian politician and member of the five-person Nobel committee. Some of them were still quite upset about that nasty business with the Somali pirates. But, according to Ms. Valle, someone brought up the beer summit, and we all agreed that that was awesome. Ms. Valle said she hoped that Mr. Obama's victory would be seen not only as a victory for him, but as a tribute to the healing power of beer. Ms. Valle acknowledged that the President's win was widely considered an upset, with most pundits having expected the prize to go to Mad Men or 30 Rock. Elsewhere, NASA bombed the moon, saying it was the one spot President Bush missed. More here. Upcoming Events October 24, 2009 at 11:30AM St. Petersburg! Andy performs at the St. Petersburg Times Festival of Reading and signs copies of his new book, Who Moved My Soap? The CEO's Guide to Surviving in Prison: Bernie Madoff Edition. Location: 140 Seventh Avenue South - at Bayboro Harbor For tickets go to St. Petersburg Times Festival of Reading The Borowitz Report: Waste Someone's Time: Forward to a Friend. Sign up today for your own Borowitz Reports. Remove me from this list. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Currently playing at the Budget Theater
Enjoy! And yes, I am jealous. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:49:48 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Currently playing at the Budget Theater Currently playing at the Budget Theater ($2.00 a showing! Popcorn with REAL butter!): Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince G.I. Joe: the Rise of the Cobra The Hangover Public Enemies The Proposal UP (I know where my scarce entertainment dollars are going next week!) ~rave! _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds?
No, Mr Worf, the Drugster (thanks again to Ed Schultz for the nick!) seems to be back on Colombian Candy. I'm watching MSNBC, and he commented on President Obama's receiving the Nobel. Went to his nose a lot. And he sniffles constantly. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:48:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds? Rush is already pressing the speed dial button to his Oxycontin dealer. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: sorry Martin, I posted before seeing you'd already posted. This is a shocker. I'm not sure I agree with it, in terms of other people who might be more deserving at this moment. I get their thinking, but don't think I'd have done it. Still, you're right, just as Beck and Limbaugh were gloating over Obama's failure with the Olympic selection, they get to realize once again how much he's respected in the rest of the world. And nothing pisses off xenophobic bigoted jingoists more than a man of color being respected by foreigners. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:37:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds? Don't worry. That's just Beck and Limbaugh, coming to terms with this news... President Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/ If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?
Keith, a White friend and fellow writer once told me what that word means. One who engages in sexual activities with animals. Tell that to Jay-Z and these young Black men hosing the word around, and they'll drop the use of it fast. (Personal experience at play.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:59:11 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Just to ask, how in your mind does QT using the n-word in the context of the worlds of his movies differ from black people doing it? I remember watching the movie The Best Man (I think it was), the guys casually used the n-word quite a bit. I may be wrong, maybe it was The Wood. At any rate, it was a black comedy that was one of those that'd be seen by black families, and i was a bit surprised at how casually the word was thrown around. And of course Jay-Z has recently argued with Oprah Winfrey that the word should be used by people like him in order to take away its power--an argument I have never supported. To be clear, I grew up in a time when the n-word was casually used all the time. I no longer use it myself, but I have tons of relatives and friends who do use it, typically when they're pissed at someone. I am admittedly from that school that may not like it when a black person uses the word, but who *hates* it when a white person directs it a black person. But that said, QT, I must admit, wasn't hurling it at black people as a personal insult, just using it in the context of the world he'd built onscreen--a world based on teh Blaxploitation movies he'd absorbed as a kid. So, if he's using characters from such a world, and if we admit that such characters --like Jay Z--still use the word quite a bit, is QT wrong for capturing that onscreen? I don't have a full opinion, again, because I've only seen two of his pictures. I remember the n-word being tossed around in Pulp Fiction when QT's character was pissed at the black man who'd been accidentally killed. I flinched everytime he said it, but figured, he's playing a racist character, which is the point. Of course we could argue that there's something disturbing about QT's fascination with one aspect of Black culture, but does that make him racist, clueless, confused, what? - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 9:27:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Jackie Brown is Tarantino doing Elmore Leonard. He captures the plot and feeling of the novel but changed the setting of the book from Florida to California and changed Jackie Burke to Jackie Brown and made her black. There are a few other minor changes but the movie plays just like the novel and is better for it. I definitely agreed with Spike Lee's concerns and although QT had his blood up I think the criticism stung him. His subsequent movies have definitely toned it down. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: great, it's on the list! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:51:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Keith, you're doing yourself a service by taking these in. When I first saw Jackie Brown, I came into the room just after the credits had run. Watching it all the way through (and being thoroughly delighted by it), I was dumbfounded to see Tarantino's anme as the director. Felt nothing like his usual oeuvre, which made the experience all the better, to say nothing of it making him one of my favorite directors. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 01:52:44 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? thanks for that. I guess I need to look up Reservoir Dogs, finally see all of Pulp Fiction, and take in Jackie Brown. that last starts more arguments than the question I raised does. I hear people say it was his best movie ever, but others say no, because it's the least Tarantino-like film, and therefore can't be his best film ever. I think I know this answer, but how do you feel about his usage of the
RE: [scifinoir2] Sanctuary Marathon on SyFy Today
Keith, I've been in and out of the shows all day as I did household chores. I'm with you in your assessment of it, and I'll be watching this season to see how they resolve the cliffahnger from last season. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:49:24 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Sanctuary Marathon on SyFy Today SyFy is running an all day marathon of the series Sanctuary today, leading up to the premiere of season two tonight at 10 pm EST. I must admit i was lukewarm on the series when it debuted, but grew to like it a bit more. The early shows had a moribund sense to them that I found offputting. They were all dark, and by that, I mean in terms of sets, lighting, production value, not in tone. It was too obviously a show built around a whole lot of CGI and bluescreen work. The plots, too, weren't exactly scintillating. We've discussed before the need for some shows to have a focused villain, an ongoing struggle with a person or group that's the polar opposite of the show's stars. That's not always needed, but sometimes it helps. I think Sanctuary got better toward the end of the season as that took place. When they brought in some more characters and started laying the foundations for a backstory of a power struggle going it, it got better. Stories and production values went up as well, especially once they started leaving the CGI sets and doing more real world things. It's still not on my must-see list, but I'll give it a go. Since I'm stuck at home today awaiting delivery of a fridge while working, guess I'll watch the marathon. _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds?
No problem, Keith! As for the Drugster's response? He's on the side of the Taliban in their hatred of Obama, according to the videoclip I just saw. Also a greater embarrassment than losing the Olympics. I'd throw more in, but it's not polite to make fun of a man who's trying to stuff himself down a toilet head-first. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:37:20 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds? sorry Martin, I posted before seeing you'd already posted. This is a shocker. I'm not sure I agree with it, in terms of other people who might be more deserving at this moment. I get their thinking, but don't think I'd have done it. Still, you're right, just as Beck and Limbaugh were gloating over Obama's failure with the Olympic selection, they get to realize once again how much he's respected in the rest of the world. And nothing pisses off xenophobic bigoted jingoists more than a man of color being respected by foreigners. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:37:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds? Don't worry. That's just Beck and Limbaugh, coming to terms with this news... President Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/ If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/
[scifinoir2] Nurses
Nurses Nurses aren't supposed to laugh... 'Of course I won't laugh, said the nurse. I'm a professional. In over twenty years I've never laughed at a patient.' 'Okay then,' said Fred, and he proceeded to drop his trousers, revealing the tiniest man thingy the nurse had ever seen. Length and width, it couldn't have been bigger than a AAA battery. Unable to control herself, the nurse started giggling, then fell to the floor laughing. Ten minutes later, she was able to struggle to her feet and regained her composure. I am so sorry, she said. 'I don't know what came over me. On my honor as a nurse and a lady, I promise it won't happen again. Now, tell me, what seems to be the problem?' Using viagra, and now it's swollen, Fred replied. She ran out of the room.
RE: [scifinoir2] Nurses
I'll be laughing at this three days from now... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com CC: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:06:15 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] Nurses Nurses Nurses aren't supposed to laugh... 'Of course I won't laugh, said the nurse. I'm a professional. In over twenty years I've never laughed at a patient.' 'Okay then,' said Fred, and he proceeded to drop his trousers, revealing the tiniest man thingy the nurse had ever seen. Length and width, it couldn't have been bigger than a AAA battery. Unable to control herself, the nurse started giggling, then fell to the floor laughing. Ten minutes later, she was able to struggle to her feet and regained her composure. I am so sorry, she said. 'I don't know what came over me. On my honor as a nurse and a lady, I promise it won't happen again. Now, tell me, what seems to be the problem?' Using viagra, and now it's swollen, Fred replied. She ran out of the room. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
[scifinoir2] King T'Challa opens Wakanda borders to tourism
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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds?
Hmmm so I guess he will be calling Scarface to make a drop shipment. :) On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: No, Mr Worf, the Drugster (thanks again to Ed Schultz for the nick!) seems to be back on Colombian Candy. I'm watching MSNBC, and he commented on President Obama's receiving the Nobel. Went to his nose a lot. And he sniffles constantly. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:48:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds? Rush is already pressing the speed dial button to his Oxycontin dealer. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: sorry Martin, I posted before seeing you'd already posted. This is a shocker. I'm not sure I agree with it, in terms of other people who might be more deserving at this moment. I get their thinking, but don't think I'd have done it. Still, you're right, just as Beck and Limbaugh were gloating over Obama's failure with the Olympic selection, they get to realize once again how much he's respected in the rest of the world. And nothing pisses off xenophobic bigoted jingoists more than a man of color being respected by foreigners. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:37:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Anyone else hear those choking sounds? Don't worry. That's just Beck and Limbaugh, coming to terms with this news... President Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/ If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The 20 worst science and technology errors in films
Ok. I'm confused about the porn link. What porn link?? I agree with a lot of the points in the post, but there's a few things that may need correcting. There are spontaneous mutations. Just look at the area around 3 mile Island, and Chernobol. Human genes are affected each generation by that generations epigenomes. Whatever that individual is exposed to in his or her lifetime will be passed onto their offspring in addition to their dna. The rest I agree with 100%. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Okay, who's got the Prozac today? If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:09:24 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The 20 worst science and technology errors in films COMMENTS BELOW (I AM NOT YELLING! THIS IS HOW I TALK!) ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, brent wodehouse brent_wodeho...@... wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6274053/The-20-worst-science-and-technology-errors-in-films.html The 20 worst science and technology errors in films 2. Antigravity love songs Related to the above, with Star Trek again the main offender, although it happens everywhere. We find the idea of sex with our nearest evolutionary relative, the chimpanzee, repellent. And yet we are quite happy with the idea of Captain Kirk doing his interplanetary swordsman thing with a variety of smokin' hot space babes. FATE SENT THIS CYBER GROUP A TRIPLE-X VIDEO THAT UNDERSCORED THIS POINT. NO, FATE, DO NOT SEND IT AGAIN!!! 4. Alien computers that run Windows Independence Day, we're looking at you. It is almost impossible to write a virus that will affect both Macs and PCs. And yet somehow Jeff Goldblum's character manages to write a nasty little piece of malware that he can upload into an alien mothership's mainframe and bring down its shields. WHAT? YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE UNIVERSAL TRUISM THAT THE CRAPPIEST TECHNOLOGY ALWAYS WINS IN THE MARKETPLACE? 8. Who needs conservation of energy? But the film is based on the idea that humans are kept alive as a sort of electricity generator (bringing a whole new meaning to the term battery farming). This is not just unlikely - it's fundamentally impossible. They will need more energy to keep alive than they will produce. IT'S LIKE I ALWAYS TELL MY KIDS - MACHINES ARE STUPID. 16. The tears of a clone In Alien: Resurrection the original Ellen Ripley was burned to death in a lake of boiling lava. The DNA might have degraded somewhat. HA! HA! GREAT LINE. 18. Shooting range When you get shot by a gun, you will not fly backwards (see: The Terminator, every John Woo film ever made). This is because a bullet does not weigh very much. A 9mm bullet weighs less than a third of an ounce. If it is travelling at 1,300ft a second (about right) it will knock a 12-stone man backwards at around 0.15 feet a second. He might, in short, stumble slightly. Not hurtle back 20 feet and smash through a shop window. I HATE WHEN SOMEBODY TRIES TO CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS! 19. Explosions are always cool Cars almost never explode when they crash. The mix of fuel and air in the tank is too rich. Similarly, research shows that cigarettes will not set fire to puddles of petrol, no matter how nonchalantly you flick one in. DAYUM! I REALLY HATE WHEN SOMEBODY TRIES TO CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS! -- Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] The 20 worst science and technology errors in films
Funny list. Something that bothers me is why spaceships have to change course by leaning into their turns, the same way airplanes on Earth bank as they change direction, or the way a car or runner leans into a curve. I'm referring strictly to course changes on a 2D plane. Aren't those functions of the aerodynamics of flight, and the interplay of gravity and friction, respectively? On Earth, planes bank to use the lift forces to help them turn, and a car through a car leans into it due to friction of the tires. Spaceships shouldn't need to bank, rather, just change the orientation of the ship. in TNG,for example, the Enterprise was always banking like a plane when changing course. Cool sight, but unnecessary. I can only remember Babylon 5 getting it right, as ships that changed course there simply changed the ship's orientation around its axis in 2D. As for the humanoid aliens, Star Trek gang tried to explain the humanoid aliens three times, to my memory. In the OS, in the ep where Kirk encountered the alien Sargon (one of three survivors of his race, bodies gone, superminds stored in globes) Sargon called kirk my child. He said that his race seeded planets throughout the galaxy for thousands of years, thus explaining some of the humanoid races. In the ep where Kirk thought he was the god Kirok, they said a race called the Preservers had seeded humanoids throughout the galaxy. And in TNG, there was that goofy ep where Picard along with some Klingons and Romulans learned that all those races were descended from DNA from a race that lived billions of years ago. What bothers me more than just humanoids in the galaxy is how seldom people in scifi question why most of these humanoids are Caucasian. I remember when Tuvok showed up on Voyager. There were lots of posts around the Net decrying the political correctness of a Black Vulcan. How strange, i thought, that people actually felt it made less sense to have a dark-skinned Vulcan on a planet with a fierce sun. - Original Message - From: brent wodehouse brent_wodeho...@thefence.us To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 1:46:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] The 20 worst science and technology errors in films http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6274053/The-20-worst-science-and-technology-errors-in-films.html The 20 worst science and technology errors in films A far-from-definitive list of the 20 most annoying science and technology errors in films, from slow-moving lasers to extraterrestrials who use Windows Vista. By Tom Chivers Published: 7:30AM BST 09 Oct 2009 Being a science-geek film fan can be exhausting. It’s hard to watch some films without wanting to shout at the screen “but that’s not how evolution works” or “computers can’t do that”. It’s pedantic, annoying for your fellow moviegoers, and utterly nerdy, but some of us can’t help it. So in an attempt to scratch that geeky itch once and for all, here is a list of 20 of the most infuriating science and technology errors in movies. Please add your own or argue with ours below - or, alternatively, use the space to tell us that we’re nitpicking killjoys who should go out and meet some girls once in a while. We would like to thank TVTropes.org, intuitor.com and wired.com for helping us with our enquiries, and to warn you that some of these may contain spoilers. 1. Aliens are basically humans with silly foreheads The Enterprise, thousands of light-years from Earth, encounters an alien spacecraft. The matter transporter beams one of their number aboard… and lo and behold, it’s Famke Janssen with some makeup on her forehead. It’s a similar story with Vulcans (pointy eared humans - see also Romulans), Ferengi (grotesquely deformed humans) and Klingons (humans with Cornish pasties attached). Humanity looks like it does through a very specific set of evolutionary circumstances. Why should aliens look anything like us? And don’t say “to save on effects budgets”. 2. Antigravity love songs Related to the above, with Star Trek again the main offender, although it happens everywhere. We find the idea of sex with our nearest evolutionary relative, the chimpanzee, repellent. And yet we are quite happy with the idea of Captain Kirk doing his interplanetary swordsman thing with a variety of smokin’ hot space babes. He might as well try it on with a nematode worm: at least it has DNA. Incidentally, Spock is half human, half Vulcan. We have no idea how that is supposed to work. 3. The Ice Storm Star Wars is guilty here. Young Luke grows up on Tatooine, a desert planet; by the start of The Empire Strikes Back, he’s found his way to Hoth, an ice planet. Endor is a Forest Moon. Do none of these planets have some warm bits and some cold bits? Do you have to go to a different planet for a skiiing holiday? 4. Alien computers that run Windows Independence Day,
