Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior

[Martin Baxter]

Keep speaking that truth-to-power, Keith!

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> And don't forget that, by twisting the presentation of the news, you create
> and exacerbate an atmosphere of hatred. For example, when Obama met with
> Republicans a few weeks back, Fox simply quit airing the event because Obama
> was handing the Republicans' heads to them. Thus, Fox actually covered up
> and hid part of the facts that could make people reconsider their beliefs,
> and, by disrespecting the President, furthered animosity toward him.
> The phrase "The pen is mightier than the sword" isn't an idle threat, and
> Fox is using its figurative and literal pens to heighten an atmosphere of
> hatred and violence.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 5:39:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior
>
>
>
> Bosco, I have no trouble blaming them. They've seen their "constituency" up
> close and personal many a time. They covered the health-care town halls when
> those folks showed up packing, declaring that they "were defending their
> right to keep and bear arms". It only took me five seconds to know that
> these are people a step away from violence, if they feel they aren't going
> to get their way. Faux/Fixed/Fox knows, and fuels, this.
>
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Actually I wouldn't feel comfortable blaming Fox News for crazy man
>> antics. Yeah they're propagandists for all kinds of nonsense but they don't
>> make them put guns in people's hands. It's like blaming heavy metal for teen
>> suicide or hip hop for gang violence. I'm no defender of Fox or it's rampant
>> stupidity and wrecklessness but at some point people make choices.
>>
>> Bosco
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 4/8/10, Martin Baxter * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Martin Baxter 
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 11:59 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Of COURSE, all and sundry at Faux/Fixed/Fox will rise up to a lifeform and
>> deny any blame for this, wrapping themselves in Flag and Constitution.
>>
>> Bastiches.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Mr. Worf > gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=hellomahog...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://abclocal. go.com/kgo/ story?section= 
>>> news/iteam&id=7374140<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=7374140>
>>>  Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior
>>> Wednesday, April 07, 2010
>>>   [image: Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior]
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>>> All Live Video <http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/live> : All 
>>> Video<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video>
>>> »
>>>  [image: Greg Giusti was arrested for making threatening phone calls to
>>> Nancy Pelosi.] [image: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif. speaks
>>> during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington]
>>>
>>>- Accused man's mom blames Fox News for 
>>> behavior<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7374223>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior

[Keith Johnson]

And don't forget that, by twisting the presentation of the news, you create and 
exacerbate an atmosphere of hatred. For example, when Obama met with 
Republicans a few weeks back, Fox simply quit airing the event because Obama 
was handing the Republicans' heads to them. Thus, Fox actually covered up and 
hid part of the facts that could make people reconsider their beliefs, and, by 
disrespecting the President, furthered animosity toward him. 
The phrase "The pen is mightier than the sword" isn't an idle threat, and Fox 
is using its figurative and literal pens to heighten an atmosphere of hatred 
and violence. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 5:39:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior 






Bosco, I have no trouble blaming them. They've seen their "constituency" up 
close and personal many a time. They covered the health-care town halls when 
those folks showed up packing, declaring that they "were defending their right 
to keep and bear arms". It only took me five seconds to know that these are 
people a step away from violence, if they feel they aren't going to get their 
way. Faux/Fixed/Fox knows, and fuels, this. 


On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Bosco Bosco < ironpi...@yahoo.com > wrote: 








Actually I wouldn't feel comfortable blaming Fox News for crazy man antics. 
Yeah they're propagandists for all kinds of nonsense but they don't make them 
put guns in people's hands. It's like blaming heavy metal for teen suicide or 
hip hop for gang violence. I'm no defender of Fox or it's rampant stupidity and 
wrecklessness but at some point people make choices. 

Bosco 

--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Martin Baxter < martinbaxt...@gmail.com > wrote: 



From: Martin Baxter < martinbaxt...@gmail.com > 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 11:59 AM 









Of COURSE, all and sundry at Faux/Fixed/Fox will rise up to a lifeform and deny 
any blame for this, wrapping themselves in Flag and Constitution. 

Bastiches. 


On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Mr. Worf < HelloMahogany@ gmail.com > wrote: 








http://abclocal. go.com/kgo/ story?section= news/iteam&id=7374140 

Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior 

Wednesday, April 07, 2010 




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SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Gregory Giusti's 83-year-old mother had not heard that 
her son had been arrested, but she told ABC7 he has a history of mental 
problems. She does not think he would be capable of carrying out the threat; he 
has never owned a gun, and she blames Fox News for getting her son worked up. 



Giusti was arrested Wednesday afternoon for threatening Speaker of the House 
Nancy Pelosi over recent healthcare legislation. 

"Greg frequently gets in with a group of people that have really radical ideas 
and that are not consistent with myself or the rest of the family, which gets 
him into problems," Eleanor Giusti said. "I say Fox News, or all of those that 
are really radical, and he, that's where he comes from." 


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Story: FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi Giusti, 48, has a long history of 
encounters with law enforcement. 

In 2004, Giusti was convicted of criminal threats. The San Mateo District 
Attorney's office says he was trying to evade the fare on a Caltrain, and when 
the conductor tried to kick him off, Giusti started yelling and threatening the 
conductor's life. As a result, Giusti was sentenced to one year in county jail 
and three years supervised probation. He was also ordered to undergo mental 
health counseling. 

There is also a lawsuit filed in February by Hamilton Square Baptist Church in 
San Francisco. It says, "Giusti has engaged in and continues to engage in a 
campaign of harassment" against people at the church. 

Giusti also has a record of skipping out on his BART fares and causing 
disruptions. BART sued him in 1996. 

Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior

[Keith Johnson]

I agree. The problem is, there's a fine line between media and rhetoric being 
responsible for people's actions, and for them being blameless. That's why 
there are laws against specifically inciting to riot, and the definition of 
that is rather fluid at times... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 4:26:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior 






When I posted this I was thinking the same thing, but after a while I thought 
about the effects of repetition on someone's mind. If you repeat the same 
answers over and over again on a variety of shows it can be like hypnotic 
suggestion. 


On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Bosco Bosco < ironpi...@yahoo.com > wrote: 





Actually I wouldn't feel comfortable blaming Fox News for crazy man antics. 
Yeah they're propagandists for all kinds of nonsense but they don't make them 
put guns in people's hands. It's like blaming heavy metal for teen suicide or 
hip hop for gang violence. I'm no defender of Fox or it's rampant stupidity and 
wrecklessness but at some point people make choices. 

Bosco 

--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Martin Baxter < martinbaxt...@gmail.com > wrote: 



From: Martin Baxter < martinbaxt...@gmail.com > 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 11:59 AM 









Of COURSE, all and sundry at Faux/Fixed/Fox will rise up to a lifeform and deny 
any blame for this, wrapping themselves in Flag and Constitution. 

Bastiches. 


On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Mr. Worf < HelloMahogany@ gmail.com > wrote: 








http://abclocal. go.com/kgo/ story?section= news/iteam&id=7374140 

Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior 

Wednesday, April 07, 2010 




Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior


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Greg  Giusti was arrested for making threatening phone calls to Nancy 
Pelosi.House Speaker  Nancy Pelosi of Calif. speaks during a news conference on 
Capitol Hill  in Washington


• Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior 

• FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi 



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SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Gregory Giusti's 83-year-old mother had not heard that 
her son had been arrested, but she told ABC7 he has a history of mental 
problems. She does not think he would be capable of carrying out the threat; he 
has never owned a gun, and she blames Fox News for getting her son worked up. 



Giusti was arrested Wednesday afternoon for threatening Speaker of the House 
Nancy Pelosi over recent healthcare legislation. 

"Greg frequently gets in with a group of people that have really radical ideas 
and that are not consistent with myself or the rest of the family, which gets 
him into problems," Eleanor Giusti said. "I say Fox News, or all of those that 
are really radical, and he, that's where he comes from." 


Related Content 


Story: FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi Giusti, 48, has a long history of 
encounters with law enforcement. 

In 2004, Giusti was convicted of criminal threats. The San Mateo District 
Attorney's office says he was trying to evade the fare on a Caltrain, and when 
the conductor tried to kick him off, Giusti started yelling and threatening the 
conductor's life. As a result, Giusti was sentenced to one year in county jail 
and three years supervised probation. He was also ordered to undergo mental 
health counseling. 

There is also a lawsuit filed in February by Hamilton Square Baptist Church in 
San Francisco. It says, "Giusti has engaged in and continues to engage in a 
campaign of harassment" against people at the church. 

Giusti also has a record of skipping out on his BART fares and causing 
disruptions. BART sued him in 1996. 

He also has two convictions in San Francisco for welfare fraud and petty theft 
from 1992. 

According to ABC7 legal analyst Dean Johnson, there is a point at which free 
speech ends and a threat begins. 

"Communicating a threat with the intent that it be taken seriously is one of 
those types of speech that is simply not protected," Johnson said. "Even under 
state law, as well as the federal law that applies here, there are crimes that 
are based on threatening another individual, you simply cannot do that." 

Eleanor Giusti also told ABC7 she talked to he

Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior

[Martin Baxter]

Crap. Hit Send too soon.

A few years ago, before George Tiller, the late-term abortion specialist,
was assassinated, Bill-O was regularly calling for him to be murdered, as a
"service to mankind". And he was the first to say that he said nothing wrong
after Tiller was shot down. Outside of his church, if mmemory serves.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> Bosco, I have no trouble blaming them. They've seen their "constituency" up
> close and personal many a time. They covered the health-care town halls when
> those folks showed up packing, declaring that they "were defending their
> right to keep and bear arms". It only took me five seconds to know that
> these are people a step away from violence, if they feel they aren't going
> to get their way. Faux/Fixed/Fox knows, and fuels, this.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Actually I wouldn't feel comfortable blaming Fox News for crazy man
>> antics. Yeah they're propagandists for all kinds of nonsense but they don't
>> make them put guns in people's hands. It's like blaming heavy metal for teen
>> suicide or hip hop for gang violence. I'm no defender of Fox or it's rampant
>> stupidity and wrecklessness but at some point people make choices.
>>
>> Bosco
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 4/8/10, Martin Baxter * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Martin Baxter 
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 11:59 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Of COURSE, all and sundry at Faux/Fixed/Fox will rise up to a lifeform and
>> deny any blame for this, wrapping themselves in Flag and Constitution.
>>
>> Bastiches.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Mr. Worf > gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=hellomahog...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://abclocal. go.com/kgo/ story?section= 
>>> news/iteam&id=7374140<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=7374140>
>>>  Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior
>>> Wednesday, April 07, 2010
>>>   [image: Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior]
>>>  Related Video
>>> All Live Video <http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/live> : All 
>>> Video<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video>
>>> »
>>>  [image: Greg Giusti was arrested for making threatening phone calls to
>>> Nancy Pelosi.] [image: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif. speaks
>>> during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington]
>>>
>>>- Accused man's mom blames Fox News for 
>>> behavior<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7374223>
>>>- FBI arrests man for threatening 
>>> Pelosi<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7374228>
>>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior

[Martin Baxter]

Bosco, I have no trouble blaming them. They've seen their "constituency" up
close and personal many a time. They covered the health-care town halls when
those folks showed up packing, declaring that they "were defending their
right to keep and bear arms". It only took me five seconds to know that
these are people a step away from violence, if they feel they aren't going
to get their way. Faux/Fixed/Fox knows, and fuels, this.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:

>
>
> Actually I wouldn't feel comfortable blaming Fox News for crazy man antics.
> Yeah they're propagandists for all kinds of nonsense but they don't make
> them put guns in people's hands. It's like blaming heavy metal for teen
> suicide or hip hop for gang violence. I'm no defender of Fox or it's rampant
> stupidity and wrecklessness but at some point people make choices.
>
> Bosco
>
> --- On *Thu, 4/8/10, Martin Baxter * wrote:
>
>
> From: Martin Baxter 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 11:59 AM
>
>
>
>
> Of COURSE, all and sundry at Faux/Fixed/Fox will rise up to a lifeform and
> deny any blame for this, wrapping themselves in Flag and Constitution.
>
> Bastiches.
>
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Mr. Worf  gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=hellomahog...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://abclocal. go.com/kgo/ story?section= 
>> news/iteam&id=7374140<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=7374140>
>>  Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior
>> Wednesday, April 07, 2010
>>   [image: Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior]
>>  Related Video
>> All Live Video <http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/live> : All 
>> Video<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video>
>> »
>>  [image: Greg Giusti was arrested for making threatening phone calls to
>> Nancy Pelosi.] [image: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif. speaks during
>> a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington]
>>
>>- Accused man's mom blames Fox News for 
>> behavior<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7374223>
>>- FBI arrests man for threatening 
>> Pelosi<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7374228>
>>
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>>
>> SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Gregory Giusti's 83-year-old mother had not heard
>> that her son had been arrested, but she told ABC7 he has a history of mental
>> problems. She does not think he would be capable of carrying out the threat;
>> he has never owned a gun, and she blames Fox News for getting her son worked
>> up.
>>
>> Giusti was arrested Wednesday afternoon for threatening Speaker of the
>>

Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior

[Mr. Worf]

When I posted this I was thinking the same thing, but after a while I
thought about the effects of repetition on someone's mind. If you repeat the
same answers over and over again on a variety of shows it can be like
hypnotic suggestion.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:

>
>
> Actually I wouldn't feel comfortable blaming Fox News for crazy man antics.
> Yeah they're propagandists for all kinds of nonsense but they don't make
> them put guns in people's hands. It's like blaming heavy metal for teen
> suicide or hip hop for gang violence. I'm no defender of Fox or it's rampant
> stupidity and wrecklessness but at some point people make choices.
>
> Bosco
>
> --- On *Thu, 4/8/10, Martin Baxter * wrote:
>
>
> From: Martin Baxter 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 11:59 AM
>
>
>
>
> Of COURSE, all and sundry at Faux/Fixed/Fox will rise up to a lifeform and
> deny any blame for this, wrapping themselves in Flag and Constitution.
>
> Bastiches.
>
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Mr. Worf  gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=hellomahog...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://abclocal. go.com/kgo/ story?section= 
>> news/iteam&id=7374140<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=7374140>
>>  Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior
>> Wednesday, April 07, 2010
>>   [image: Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior]
>>  Related Video
>> All Live Video <http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/live> : All 
>> Video<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video>
>> »
>>  [image: Greg Giusti was arrested for making threatening phone calls to
>> Nancy Pelosi.] [image: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif. speaks during
>> a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington]
>>
>>- Accused man's mom blames Fox News for 
>> behavior<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7374223>
>>- FBI arrests man for threatening 
>> Pelosi<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7374228>
>>
>>  Tags:
>> nancy pelosi <http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/explore?tag=nancy-pelosi>, health
>> care <http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/explore?tag=health-care>, health
>> insurance <http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/explore?tag=health-insurance>,
>> i-team <http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/explore?section=kgo/news/iteam>, dan
>> noyes <http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/explore?columnist=dan-noyes>
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior

[Bosco Bosco]

Actually I wouldn't feel comfortable blaming Fox News for crazy man antics. 
Yeah they're propagandists for all kinds of nonsense but they don't make them 
put guns in people's hands. It's like blaming heavy metal for teen suicide or 
hip hop for gang violence. I'm no defender of Fox or it's rampant stupidity and 
wrecklessness but at some point people make choices. 

Bosco

--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 11:59 AM







 



  



  
  
  Of COURSE, all and sundry at Faux/Fixed/Fox will rise up to a lifeform 
and deny any blame for this, wrapping themselves in Flag and Constitution.
 
Bastiches.


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SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Gregory Giusti's 83-year-old mother had not heard that 
her son had been arrested, but she told ABC7 he has a history of mental 
problems. She does not think he would be capable of carrying out the threat; he 
has never owned a gun, and she blames Fox News for getting her son worked up. 


Giusti was arrested Wednesday afternoon for threatening Speaker of the House 
Nancy Pelosi over recent healthcare legislation. 
"Greg frequently gets in with a group of people that have really radical ideas 
and that are not consistent with myself or the rest of the family, which gets 
him into problems," Eleanor Giusti said. "I say Fox News, or all of those that 
are really radical, and he, that's where he comes from." 



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Giusti, 48, has a long history of encounters with law enforcement. 
In 2004, Giusti was convicted of criminal threats. The San Mateo District 
Attorney's office says he was trying to evade the fare on a Caltrain, and when 
the conductor tried to kick him off, Giusti started yelling and threatening the 
conductor's life. As a result, Giusti was sentenced to one year in county jail 
and three years supervised probation. He was also ordered to undergo mental 
health counseling. 

There is also a lawsuit filed in February by Hamilton Square Baptist Church in 
San Francisco. It says, "Giusti has engaged in and continues to engage in a 
campaign of harassment" against people at the church. 

Giusti also has a record of skipping out on his BART fares and causing 
disruptions. BART sued him in 1996. 
He also has two convictions in San Francisco for welfare fraud and petty theft 
from 1992. 
According to ABC7 legal analyst Dean Johnson, there is a point at which free 
speech ends and a threat begins. 
"Communicating a threat with the intent that it be taken seriously is one of 
those types of speech that is simply not protected," Johnson said. "Even under 
state law, as well as the federal law that applies here, there are crimes that 
are based on threatening another individual, you simply cannot do that." 

Eleanor Giusti also told ABC7 she talked to her son earlier in the day -- 
apparently before the arrest. He asked about his niece and nephew and acted as 
though nothing was going on. 
The FBI told ABC7 Giusti will be booked into San Francisco County Jail to spend 
the night, before appearing in federal court Thursday morning. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Accused man's mom blames Fox News for behavior

[Martin Baxter]

Of COURSE, all and sundry at Faux/Fixed/Fox will rise up to a lifeform and
deny any blame for this, wrapping themselves in Flag and Constitution.

Bastiches.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

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> http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=7374140
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> SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Gregory Giusti's 83-year-old mother had not heard
> that her son had been arrested, but she told ABC7 he has a history of mental
> problems. She does not think he would be capable of carrying out the threat;
> he has never owned a gun, and she blames Fox News for getting her son worked
> up.
>
> Giusti was arrested Wednesday afternoon for threatening Speaker of the
> House Nancy Pelosi over recent healthcare legislation.
>
> "Greg frequently gets in with a group of people that have really radical
> ideas and that are not consistent with myself or the rest of the family,
> which gets him into problems," Eleanor Giusti said. "I say Fox News, or all
> of those that are really radical, and he, that's where he comes from."
>
>  Related Content
>
> Story: FBI arrests man for threatening 
> Pelosi
> Giusti, 48, has a long history of encounters with law enforcement.
>
> In 2004, Giusti was convicted of criminal threats. The San Mateo District
> Attorney's office says he was trying to evade the fare on a Caltrain, and
> when the conductor tried to kick him off, Giusti started yelling and
> threatening the conductor's life. As a result, Giusti was sentenced to one
> year in county jail and three years supervised probation. He was also
> ordered to undergo mental health counseling.
>
> There is also a lawsuit filed in February by Hamilton Square Baptist Church
> in San Francisco. It says, "Giusti has engaged in and continues to engage in
> a campaign of harassment" against people at the church.
>
> Giusti also has a record of skipping out on his BART fares and causing
> disruptions. BART sued him in 1996.
>
> He also has two convictions in San Francisco for welfare fraud and petty
> theft from 1992.
>
> According to ABC7 legal analyst Dean Johnson, there is a point at which
> free speech ends and a threat begins.
>
> "Communicating a threat with the intent that it be taken seriously is one
> of those types of speech that is simply not protected," Johnson said. "Even
> under state law, as well as the federal law that applies here, there are
> crimes that are based on threatening another individual, you simply cannot
> do that."
>
> Eleanor Giusti also told ABC7 she talked to her son earlier in the day --
> apparently before the arrest. He asked about his niece and nephew and acted
> as though nothing was going on.
>
> The FBI told ABC7 Giusti will be booked into 

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SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Gregory Giusti's 83-year-old mother had not heard
that her son had been arrested, but she told ABC7 he has a history of mental
problems. She does not think he would be capable of carrying out the threat;
he has never owned a gun, and she blames Fox News for getting her son worked
up.

 Giusti was arrested Wednesday afternoon for threatening Speaker of the
House Nancy Pelosi over recent healthcare legislation.

"Greg frequently gets in with a group of people that have really radical
ideas and that are not consistent with myself or the rest of the family,
which gets him into problems," Eleanor Giusti said. "I say Fox News, or all
of those that are really radical, and he, that's where he comes from."

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Story: FBI arrests man for threatening
Pelosi
Giusti, 48, has a long history of encounters with law enforcement.

In 2004, Giusti was convicted of criminal threats. The San Mateo District
Attorney's office says he was trying to evade the fare on a Caltrain, and
when the conductor tried to kick him off, Giusti started yelling and
threatening the conductor's life. As a result, Giusti was sentenced to one
year in county jail and three years supervised probation. He was also
ordered to undergo mental health counseling.

There is also a lawsuit filed in February by Hamilton Square Baptist Church
in San Francisco. It says, "Giusti has engaged in and continues to engage in
a campaign of harassment" against people at the church.

Giusti also has a record of skipping out on his BART fares and causing
disruptions. BART sued him in 1996.

He also has two convictions in San Francisco for welfare fraud and petty
theft from 1992.

According to ABC7 legal analyst Dean Johnson, there is a point at which free
speech ends and a threat begins.

"Communicating a threat with the intent that it be taken seriously is one of
those types of speech that is simply not protected," Johnson said. "Even
under state law, as well as the federal law that applies here, there are
crimes that are based on threatening another individual, you simply cannot
do that."

Eleanor Giusti also told ABC7 she talked to her son earlier in the day --
apparently before the arrest. He asked about his niece and nephew and acted
as though nothing was going on.

The FBI told ABC7 Giusti will be booked into San Francisco County Jail to
spend the night, before appearing in federal court Thursday morning.


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