[scifinoir2] BSG is the top timeshifted program of 2009

[Tracey de Morsella]

BSG is the top timeshifted program of 2009


Nielsen, those TV ratings people, just came out with their Top 10 lists of
2009, and surprise, surprise ... while sci-fi shows couldn't crack the "Top
10 TV Programs," Battlestar Galactica is the number-one "timeshifted"
prime-time TV program of the year, with increased viewing of a whopping 59.4
percent.

The timeshifted list measures viewers who watch a show after it has aired
and is based on the percentage of additional viewers beyond the network
ratings. In fact, the list of "Top 10 'Timeshifted' TV Programs" is riddled
with sci-fi, fantasy and/or cable shows, including shows canceled or no
longer on the air, like Galactica.

Fox's American Idol, of course, grabbed up the top spot for the "Top 10 TV
Programs" list, with the show making it into 14.4 percent of U.S. homes.

Top 10 "Timeshifted" TV Programs-Network % Increase of Timeshifted Viewing

http://scifiwire.com/2009/12/battlestar-galactica-is-t.php

1. Battlestar Galactica (Syfy)-59.4% 
2. Mad Men (AMC)-57.7%
3. Damages (FX)-56.3%
4. Rescue Me (FX)-53.2%
5. True Blood (HBO)-46.9%
5. Stargate Universe (Syfy)-46.9%
7. Sanctuary (Syfy)-45.9%
7. Heroes (NBC)-45.9%
9. Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Fox)-45.5%
10. 10 Things I Hate About You (ABC Family)-44.9% 
10. Dollhouse (Fox)-44.9% 
10. Melrose Place (CW)-44.9% 

The other good Nielsen news is that the company announced that it was
accelerating its plans to add Internet measurements to its national ratings
sample. The initiative is called "TVandPC" and will be the industry's first
source that measures both TV and online viewing. Like the addition of
measuring timeshift viewing, this is going to come as a big boon to sci-fi
shows, whose viewers tend to be more technologically inclined.

 

RE: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4

[Reece Jennings]

Oh!  LOL!  Ok!  I'll keep that in mind about thre finale...

  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bosco Bosco
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:55 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4






I liked Season 3 fine.  I liked some of season 4. The finale is so bad it
destroys the entire series. I will never ever rewatch a single episode. It
was a total betrayal.

B

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Maurice C. Jennings  wrote:




From: Maurice C. Jennings 
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 7:39 AM





I just finished watching season 3.  Amazing stories!  Bosco, what was it you
didn't like about
season 3?  There were some things that I had issues with, so I'd like to see
if they were things
you took issue with.
 
I just bought season 4.  It's downloading to my TIVO as we speak.  
 

Maurice C. Jennings
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Re: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4

[Augustus Augustus]

Daryle,

i am definitely NOT watching caprica.  it holds not interest 2 me.  no battles, 
no battlestars.  no nothing.

Fate.

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Daryle Lockhart  wrote:

From: Daryle Lockhart 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 4:25 PM
















  
  
 I'm with Bosco 100%. Season 3 was fine,  but I really  don't even have an 
interest  in Caprica because of the finale.

On Apr 23, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Augustus Augustus wrote:



Bosco,

cannot say that i will not watch any of the episodes, because there are a few 
that i really liked, but i do feel u on how they really betrayed us in the 
finale.

Fate.

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Bosco Bosco  wrote:

From: Bosco Bosco 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 3:55 PM


I liked Season 3 fine.  I liked some of season 4. The finale is so bad it 
destroys the entire series. I will never ever rewatch a single episode. It was 
a total betrayal.

B

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Maurice C. Jennings  wrote:

From: Maurice C. Jennings 
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 7:39 AM


I just finished watching season 3.  Amazing stories!  Bosco, what was it you 
didn't like aboutseason 3?  There were some things that I had issues with, so 
I'd like to see if they were thingsyou took issue with. I just bought season 
4.  It's downloading to my TIVO as we speak.  Maurice C. Jennings
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Re: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4

[Daryle Lockhart]

I'm with Bosco 100%. Season 3 was fine,  but I really  don't even  
have an interest  in Caprica because of the finale.



On Apr 23, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Augustus Augustus wrote:





Bosco,

cannot say that i will not watch any of the episodes, because there  
are a few that i really liked, but i do feel u on how they really  
betrayed us in the finale.


Fate.

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Bosco Bosco  wrote:

From: Bosco Bosco 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 3:55 PM


I liked Season 3 fine.  I liked some of season 4. The finale is so  
bad it destroys the entire series. I will never ever rewatch a  
single episode. It was a total betrayal.


B

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Maurice C. Jennings   
wrote:


From: Maurice C. Jennings 
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 7:39 AM


I just finished watching season 3.  Amazing stories!  Bosco, what  
was it you didn't like about
season 3?  There were some things that I had issues with, so I'd  
like to see if they were things

you took issue with.

I just bought season 4.  It's downloading to my TIVO as we speak.

Maurice C. Jennings
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Re: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4

[Augustus Augustus]

Bosco,

cannot say that i will not watch any of the episodes, because there are a few 
that i really liked, but i do feel u on how they really betrayed us in the 
finale.

Fate.

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Bosco Bosco  wrote:

From: Bosco Bosco 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 3:55 PM
















  
  I liked Season 3 fine.  I liked some of season 4. The finale is so bad it 
destroys the entire series. I will never ever rewatch a single episode. It was 
a total betrayal.

B

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Maurice C. Jennings  wrote:

From: Maurice C. Jennings 
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 7:39 AM









  
  


I just finished watching 
season 3.  Amazing stories!  Bosco, what was it you didn't like 
about
season 3?  There were 
some things that I had issues with, so I'd like to see if they were 
things
you took issue 
with.
 
I just bought season 
4.  It's downloading to my TIVO as we speak.  
 


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Re: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4

[Bosco Bosco]

I liked Season 3 fine.  I liked some of season 4. The finale is so bad it 
destroys the entire series. I will never ever rewatch a single episode. It was 
a total betrayal.

B

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Maurice C. Jennings  wrote:

From: Maurice C. Jennings 
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 7:39 AM
















  
  


I just finished watching 
season 3.  Amazing stories!  Bosco, what was it you didn't like 
about
season 3?  There were 
some things that I had issues with, so I'd like to see if they were 
things
you took issue 
with.
 
I just bought season 
4.  It's downloading to my TIVO as we speak.  
 


Maurice C. Jennings
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[scifinoir2] BSG seasons 3 and 4

[Maurice C. Jennings]

I just finished watching season 3.  Amazing stories!  Bosco, what was it you
didn't like about
season 3?  There were some things that I had issues with, so I'd like to see
if they were things
you took issue with.
 
I just bought season 4.  It's downloading to my TIVO as we speak.  
 

Maurice C. Jennings
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[RE][scifinoir2] BSG Exodus Part 2

[Martin Baxter]

O, yeah...





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[scifinoir2] BSG Exodus Part 2

[Maurice C. Jennings]

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Re: [scifinoir2] BSG

[Martin Baxter]

SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER

























Lavendar, Part of me wants to say that she was driven over the edge when, in 
"Razor", she learned that the Six she'd been having the affair with was a Cylon.





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 Date : Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:28:12 -0400

 From : "Rouge" 

 To : 


Admiral Kane was one of those who I have to say that I loved to hate. But you 
wonder did she do what she had to do based on survival or based on the fact 
that she was just plan wicked!!
--Lavender


From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 5:15 PM
To: SciFi2 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG




Kane and Adama!!! Holy Crap!!!

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From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:19:58 +
To: SciFi2
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG


Well,
I bought BSG's 3 hour pilot, and seasons 1 and 2.

I have given up food, work, and sex. I just found the Pegasus...burp...

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T







People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

RE: [scifinoir2] BSG

[Reece Jennings]

Probably a little of both.  I mean, she pillaged the civilian ships that
survived with her.
But I admire the kind of Admiral she was to a point.  I mean, she
was...Admirable!
 
LOL!

  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Rouge
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:28 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG






Admiral Kane was one of those who I have to say that I loved to hate. But
you wonder did she do what she had to do based on survival or based on the
fact that she was just plan wicked!!
--Lavender

From: mcjennings124@ <mailto:mcjennings...@yahoo.com> yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 5:15 PM
To: SciFi2 <mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com>  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG

Kane and Adama!!! Holy Crap!!!


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  _  

From: mcjennings124@ <mailto:mcjennings...@yahoo.com> yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:19:58 +
To: SciFi2mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> ups.com>
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG


Well,
I bought BSG's 3 hour pilot, and seasons 1 and 2.

I have given up food, work, and sex. I just found the Pegasus...burp...

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T



People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Finale

[Rouge]

I suppose it was one of those questions like are you black or white?
--Lavender


From: Augustus Augustus 
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:33 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG Finale




  Got a question about BSG's Finale.

  we see a scene where Adama is being considered 4 a private sector job, 
and the guy asks him "are you a Cylon?" if they did not know that Cylon's had 
'evolved' why would they ask him that question?

  Fate.



 

 





People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG

[Rouge]

Admiral Kane was one of those who I have to say that I loved to hate. But you 
wonder did she do what she had to do based on survival or based on the fact 
that she was just plan wicked!!
--Lavender


From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 5:15 PM
To: SciFi2 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG




Kane and Adama!!! Holy Crap!!!

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T




From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:19:58 +
To: SciFi2
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG


Well,
I bought BSG's 3 hour pilot, and seasons 1 and 2.

I have given up food, work, and sex. I just found the Pegasus...burp...

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T







People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Finale

[Augustus Augustus]

Justin,

u are right, but why would u bring up the name of your worst enemy.  that's 
like me being a Marine and someone asking me "are you a member of the 
Taliban?"  u never ask someone who has worn the uniform as they the enemy.  
especially back then before there was the case of the 'skin jobs'

Fate.

--- On Thu, 4/16/09, Justin Mohareb  wrote:

From: Justin Mohareb 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:29 PM
















  
  Wasn't that a baseline question on a lie detector quiz?  Sort of like 
"are you a tree?" or something like that?
Justin

On 16-Apr-09, at 9:33 AM, Augustus Augustus  wrote:










  Got a question about BSG's Finale.

we see a scene where Adama is being considered 4 a private sector job, and the 
guy asks him "are you a Cylon?" if they did not know that Cylon's had 'evolved' 
why would they ask him that question?

Fate.


   
 

  


 




  
 

  







 

  




 

















  

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Finale

[Justin Mohareb]

Wasn't that a baseline question on a lie detector quiz?  Sort of like  
"are you a tree?" or something like that?


Justin

On 16-Apr-09, at 9:33 AM, Augustus Augustus   
wrote:





Got a question about BSG's Finale.

we see a scene where Adama is being considered 4 a private sector  
job, and the guy asks him "are you a Cylon?" if they did not know  
that Cylon's had 'evolved' why would they ask him that question?


Fate.

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Finale

[Martin Baxter]

(standing ovation to both Bosco and Fate)

I caught that as well, and posed it to a rabid BG fan in another group of mine 
who's tried to defend the series finale (unsuccessfully to date), and he 
couldn't get near an answer.





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 Date : Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:46:46 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Bosco Bosco 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


I chalk it up to, we're too lazy to come up with a good ending so we must be 
too lazy to consider continuity.

Bosco

--- On Thu, 4/16/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote:

From: Augustus Augustus 
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG Finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 8:33 AM











 
 
 


 
 Got a question about BSG's Finale.

we see a scene where Adama is being considered 4 a private sector job, and the 
guy asks him "are you a Cylon?" if they did not know that Cylon's had 'evolved' 
why would they ask him that question?

Fate.


 
 

 


 




 
 

 

 
 

 

















 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

RE: [scifinoir2] BSG

[Reece Jennings]

Thanks for the advice, Bosco.  Amazon has 2-3 minute video previews.  I'll
look at them.
 

  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bosco Bosco
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:49 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG






Pull out before you get to Season 4. I'm not kidding. Just read the spoilers
of Season 4 and leave it at that. You will be much happier. Season 4 will
make you hate the show and the creators with white hot intensity.

Bosco

--- On Wed, 4/15/09, mcjennings...@yahoo.com 
wrote:




From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG
To: "SciFi2" 
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 11:34 PM



I'll say! And I think I've started saying 'Frack!'

:o)

PS: Still 5 season 2 episodes to go. Considering that others might want to
watch, I'm not doing spoilers.

Now THESE folks might do Octavia Butler's characters justice! I'm truly
impressed with the depth of the characters AND the short and long-term
plots.

It WOULD have been nice to see at least one Black man in a lead role. Or at
least not in the stereotypical roles...prison guard, Black Market leader.
And the few strong Black men were tamed by religion. Heck, even Adama, with
all of his love and compassion, was not a believer in the Gods.

But I am rambling. Back to the episodes! Huzzah!


Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T



  _  

From: "Martin Baxter" 
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:22:48 -0400 (EDT)
To: 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG






Yes, my friend! Wasn't *that* a p*ssing contest for the decade?







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>From : mcjennings124@ yahoo.com
To : "SciFi2" 

Kane and Adama!!! Holy Crap!!!

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-Original Message-
From: mcjennings124@ yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:19:58 
To: SciFi2
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG


Well,
I bought BSG's 3 hour pilot, and seasons 1 and 2.

I have given up food, work, and sex. I just found the Pegasus...burp. ..

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T







http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG

[Bosco Bosco]

Pull out before you get to Season 4. I'm not kidding. Just read the spoilers of 
Season 4 and leave it at that. You will be much happier. Season 4 will make you 
hate the show and the creators with white hot intensity.

Bosco

--- On Wed, 4/15/09, mcjennings...@yahoo.com  wrote:

From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG
To: "SciFi2" 
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 11:34 PM
















  
   I'll say!  And I think I've started saying 'Frack!'

:o)

PS: Still 5 season 2 episodes to go.  Considering that others might want to 
watch, I'm not doing spoilers.

Now THESE folks might do Octavia Butler's characters justice!  I'm truly 
impressed with the depth of the characters AND the short and long-term plots.

It WOULD have been nice to see at least one Black man in a lead role.  Or at 
least not in the stereotypical roles...prison guard, Black Market leader.  And 
the few strong Black men were tamed by religion.  Heck, even Adama, with all of 
his love and compassion, was not a believer in the Gods.

But I am rambling.  Back to the episodes!  Huzzah!
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom:  "Martin Baxter" 
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:22:48 -0400 (EDT)
To: 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG
  Yes, my friend! Wasn't *that* a p*ssing contest 
for the decade?




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  To : "SciFi2" 

 Kane and Adama!!! Holy Crap!!!

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-Original Message-
From: mcjennings124@ yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:19:58 
To: SciFi2
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG


Well,
I bought BSG's 3 hour pilot, and seasons 1 and 2.

I have given up food, work, and sex.  I just found the Pegasus...burp. ..

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T





http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
   
 

  




 

















  

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Finale

[Bosco Bosco]

I chalk it up to, we're too lazy to come up with a good ending so we must be 
too lazy to consider continuity.

Bosco

--- On Thu, 4/16/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote:

From: Augustus Augustus 
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG Finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 8:33 AM
















  
  Got a question about BSG's Finale.

we see a scene where Adama is being considered 4 a private sector job, and the 
guy asks him "are you a Cylon?" if they did not know that Cylon's had 'evolved' 
why would they ask him that question?

Fate.


   
 

  


 




  
 

  




 

















  

[scifinoir2] BSG Finale

[Augustus Augustus]

Got a question about BSG's Finale.

we see a scene where Adama is being considered 4 a private sector job, and the 
guy asks him "are you a Cylon?" if they did not know that Cylon's had 'evolved' 
why would they ask him that question?

Fate.


   
 

  




 

















  

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG

[mcjennings124]

LOLLOL!

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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:25:33 
To: 
Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG


LMNAO!!! As long as The Beast respects you in the morning...




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 Subject : [scifinoir2] BSG
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 To : "SciFi2" 

Well,
I bought BSG's 3 hour pilot, and seasons 1 and 2.

I have given up food, work, and sex. I just found the Pegasus...burp...

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG

[mcjennings124]

I'll say!  And I think I've started saying 'Frack!'

:o)

PS: Still 5 season 2 episodes to go.  Considering that others might want to 
watch, I'm not doing spoilers.

Now THESE folks might do Octavia Butler's characters justice!  I'm truly 
impressed with the depth of the characters AND the short and long-term plots.

It WOULD have been nice to see at least one Black man in a lead role.  Or at 
least not in the stereotypical roles...prison guard, Black Market leader.  And 
the few strong Black men were tamed by religion.  Heck, even Adama, with all of 
his love and compassion, was not a believer in the Gods.

But I am rambling.  Back to the episodes!  Huzzah!

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-Original Message-
From: "Martin Baxter" 

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:22:48 
To: 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG


Yes, my friend! Wasn't *that* a p*ssing contest for the decade?




-----[ Received Mail Content ]--
 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] BSG
 Date : Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:15:10 +
 From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com
 To : "SciFi2" 

Kane and Adama!!! Holy Crap!!!

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-Original Message-
From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:19:58 
To: SciFi2
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG


Well,
I bought BSG's 3 hour pilot, and seasons 1 and 2.

I have given up food, work, and sex. I just found the Pegasus...burp...

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

[RE][scifinoir2] BSG

[Martin Baxter]

LMNAO!!! As long as The Beast respects you in the morning...





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : [scifinoir2] BSG

 Date : Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:19:58 +

 From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com

 To : "SciFi2" 


Well,
I bought BSG's 3 hour pilot, and seasons 1 and 2.

I have given up food, work, and sex. I just found the Pegasus...burp...

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG

[Martin Baxter]

Yes, my friend! Wasn't *that* a p*ssing contest for the decade?





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] BSG

 Date : Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:15:10 +

 From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com

 To : "SciFi2" 


Kane and Adama!!! Holy Crap!!!

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-Original Message-
From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:19:58 
To: SciFi2
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG


Well,
I bought BSG's 3 hour pilot, and seasons 1 and 2.

I have given up food, work, and sex. I just found the Pegasus...burp...

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG

[mcjennings124]

Kane and Adama!!! Holy Crap!!!

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-Original Message-
From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:19:58 
To: SciFi2
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG


Well,
I bought BSG's 3 hour pilot, and seasons 1 and 2.

I have given up food, work, and sex.  I just found the Pegasus...burp...

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

[scifinoir2] BSG

[mcjennings124]

Well,
I bought BSG's 3 hour pilot, and seasons 1 and 2.

I have given up food, work, and sex.  I just found the Pegasus...burp...

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

More than welcome, my friend!





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:04:52 -0400

 From : "Reece Jennings" 

 To : 


Thanks, Martin!

 _ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 7:32 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale






Reece, that wasn't a bad watch at all, IMO. I think you'll enjoy it.







-[ Received Mail Content ]--
Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
Date : Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:18:31 -0400
>From : "Reece Jennings" 
To : 

I just watched BSG: Razor. I downloaded it to my TIVO from Amazon. 
I think I'll see if they have the entire series. 

_ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Martin Baxter 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:41 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 






Lavendar, 

The brouhaha that arose against Lee post-Pegasus was because, according to a

web site that devoted itself solely to canonizing BG in totality, Pegasus 
was the newest of the Battlestars, and a valuable weapon that could 
ill-afford to be lost. Lee's being so apparently cavalier in his actions in 
"Exodus Part 2" weighed heavily against him among those die-hard fans in the

Siffy forums. For awhile, he was almost as hated as Helo became for his 
actions, when he killed the Cylon prisoners who were infected with the 
virus, when Adama was going to get them within range of the Cylon 
resurrection ship and kill them, to force them to carry the virus to the 
entire humanform Cylon population. 







-[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 
Date : Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:01:33 -0400 
>From : "Rouge" 
To : 

Trust me, don't get me wrong, I love Galactica but I love the Pegasus just 
the same. I mean don't get me wrong I think Lee is cute--but I thought at 
the end that was really stupid. 
--Lavender 


From: Martin Baxter 
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:44 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 


Lavendar, 

That made me think back to the third-season opener, "Exodus", in which Lee 
sacrificed the Pegasus to effect Galactica's escape, something the fans 
NEVER forgave him for. Maybe Lee is a closet technophobe. 





-[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 
Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:42:28 -0400 
>From : "Rouge" 
To : 

I agree, why give it up all up due the the fact that Lee says so. I mean I 
am sure if they did one more episode I could see the Doc, bitching about no 
equipment to help the sick. I mean no scans to see what type of planet it 
was or anything. Some tech I could see, but not all of the ships where in as


bad a shape like the Galactia. Personally the first time I would have gotten


sick it would have been off with Lee's head. Besides--daddy would not know. 
No tech to call him! 
--Lavender 

---------- 
From: "B. Smith" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:56 PM 
To: 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 

> The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged 
> me. African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong 
> way. 
> 
> And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so 
> was mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet 
> paper to use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all 
> agreed to that plan? Give me a break. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter" 
> wrote: 
>> 
>> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's 
>> all over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself 
>> into oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from


>> what I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they 
>> did as well. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
>> 
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 
>> 
> Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500 
>> 
> From : Omari Confer 
>> 
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>> 
>> 
> That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what 
>> happened but with how it happened 
>> 
>> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the 
>> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> c w m 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 20

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Reece Jennings]

Thanks, Martin!

  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 7:32 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale






Reece, that wasn't a bad watch at all, IMO. I think you'll enjoy it.







-[ Received Mail Content ]--
Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
Date : Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:18:31 -0400
>From : "Reece Jennings" 
To : 

I just watched BSG: Razor. I downloaded it to my TIVO from Amazon. 
I think I'll see if they have the entire series. 

_ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Martin Baxter 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:41 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 






Lavendar, 

The brouhaha that arose against Lee post-Pegasus was because, according to a

web site that devoted itself solely to canonizing BG in totality, Pegasus 
was the newest of the Battlestars, and a valuable weapon that could 
ill-afford to be lost. Lee's being so apparently cavalier in his actions in 
"Exodus Part 2" weighed heavily against him among those die-hard fans in the

Siffy forums. For awhile, he was almost as hated as Helo became for his 
actions, when he killed the Cylon prisoners who were infected with the 
virus, when Adama was going to get them within range of the Cylon 
resurrection ship and kill them, to force them to carry the virus to the 
entire humanform Cylon population. 







-[ Received Mail Content ]------ 
Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 
Date : Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:01:33 -0400 
>From : "Rouge" 
To : 

Trust me, don't get me wrong, I love Galactica but I love the Pegasus just 
the same. I mean don't get me wrong I think Lee is cute--but I thought at 
the end that was really stupid. 
--Lavender 


From: Martin Baxter 
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:44 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 


Lavendar, 

That made me think back to the third-season opener, "Exodus", in which Lee 
sacrificed the Pegasus to effect Galactica's escape, something the fans 
NEVER forgave him for. Maybe Lee is a closet technophobe. 





-[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 
Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:42:28 -0400 
>From : "Rouge" 
To : 

I agree, why give it up all up due the the fact that Lee says so. I mean I 
am sure if they did one more episode I could see the Doc, bitching about no 
equipment to help the sick. I mean no scans to see what type of planet it 
was or anything. Some tech I could see, but not all of the ships where in as


bad a shape like the Galactia. Personally the first time I would have gotten


sick it would have been off with Lee's head. Besides--daddy would not know. 
No tech to call him! 
--Lavender 

---------- 
From: "B. Smith" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:56 PM 
To: 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 

> The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged 
> me. African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong 
> way. 
> 
> And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so 
> was mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet 
> paper to use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all 
> agreed to that plan? Give me a break. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter" 
> wrote: 
>> 
>> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's 
>> all over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself 
>> into oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from


>> what I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they 
>> did as well. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
>> 
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 
>> 
> Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500 
>> 
> From : Omari Confer 
>> 
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>> 
>> 
> That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what 
>> happened but with how it happened 
>> 
>> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the 
>> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> c w m 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus 
>> wrote: 
>> 
>> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was 
>> > STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroy

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

That is the word.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:32:54 -0500

 From : Omari Confer 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Bamboozled is the word I think

c w m

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> Omari, my biggest problem with the show was that, in the aftermath of the
> writers' strike, script quality went right over Niagra Falls. Stories became
> so trite and hackneyed that they were unwatchable. If they hadn't thrown the
> mutiny arc in, we wouldn't be talking about this, because we wouldn't have
> bothered to watch the finale. I know I wouldn't have.
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>
> Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:02:09 -0500
>
> From : Omari Confer 
>
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> Those same Siffy's will want more Stargate and crappy movies this channel
> churns out
>
> let us to the fair thing and reanalyzemaybe there is something we
> missed?
>
> c w m
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
> > Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's
> all
> > over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself into
> > oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from what
> > I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they did as
> > well.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> >
> > Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500
> >
> > From : Omari Confer
> >
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what
> > happened but with how it happened
> >
> > A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the
> > property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
> >
> >
> >
> > c w m
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus
> > wrote:
> >
> > > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was
> > > STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed. then she
> > > comes back.she is not one of the 5..she helps
> > them
> > > find the first earth.she finds and burns her
> > > body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in
> > > command of the battlestar after the mutiny......she helps plan the
> > > attack on the hub...she fights her butt off in the
> battle
> > at
> > > the hub..she then vanishes on earthwhat
> > the
> > > frac was she?
> > > that part really got me warm!
> > >
> > > Fate.
> > >
> > > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Martin Baxter
> > > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM
> > >
> > > Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for
> > > THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for
> the
> > > finale were for the combat scenes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > > *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > > *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
> > > *From : *"marian_changling"
> > > *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > >
> > > What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was
> > it
> > > the angels?
> > >
> > > I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable
> ending.
> > > SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
> > > story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.
> > >
> > > I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least
> > they
> > > had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same
> > > ending? I'm curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.
> > >
> > > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:
> > > >
&g

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Reece, that wasn't a bad watch at all, IMO. I think you'll enjoy it.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:18:31 -0400

 From : "Reece Jennings" 

 To : 


I just watched BSG: Razor. I downloaded it to my TIVO from Amazon.
I think I'll see if they have the entire series.

 _ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:41 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale






Lavendar,

The brouhaha that arose against Lee post-Pegasus was because, according to a
web site that devoted itself solely to canonizing BG in totality, Pegasus
was the newest of the Battlestars, and a valuable weapon that could
ill-afford to be lost. Lee's being so apparently cavalier in his actions in
"Exodus Part 2" weighed heavily against him among those die-hard fans in the
Siffy forums. For awhile, he was almost as hated as Helo became for his
actions, when he killed the Cylon prisoners who were infected with the
virus, when Adama was going to get them within range of the Cylon
resurrection ship and kill them, to force them to carry the virus to the
entire humanform Cylon population.







-[ Received Mail Content ]------
Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
Date : Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:01:33 -0400
>From : "Rouge" 
To : 

Trust me, don't get me wrong, I love Galactica but I love the Pegasus just
the same. I mean don't get me wrong I think Lee is cute--but I thought at
the end that was really stupid. 
--Lavender 


From: Martin Baxter 
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:44 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 


Lavendar, 

That made me think back to the third-season opener, "Exodus", in which Lee
sacrificed the Pegasus to effect Galactica's escape, something the fans
NEVER forgave him for. Maybe Lee is a closet technophobe. 





-----[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 
Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:42:28 -0400 
>From : "Rouge" 
To : 

I agree, why give it up all up due the the fact that Lee says so. I mean I 
am sure if they did one more episode I could see the Doc, bitching about no 
equipment to help the sick. I mean no scans to see what type of planet it 
was or anything. Some tech I could see, but not all of the ships where in as

bad a shape like the Galactia. Personally the first time I would have gotten

sick it would have been off with Lee's head. Besides--daddy would not know. 
No tech to call him! 
--Lavender 

------ 
From: "B. Smith" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:56 PM 
To: 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 

> The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged 
> me. African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong 
> way. 
> 
> And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so 
> was mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet 
> paper to use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all 
> agreed to that plan? Give me a break. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter" 
> wrote: 
>> 
>> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's 
>> all over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself 
>> into oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from

>> what I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they 
>> did as well. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
>> 
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 
>> 
> Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500 
>> 
> From : Omari Confer 
>> 
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>> 
>> 
> That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what 
>> happened but with how it happened 
>> 
>> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the 
>> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> c w m 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus 
>> wrote: 
>> 
>> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was 
>> > STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed. then she 
>> > comes back.she is not one of the 5..she helps 
>> > them 
>> > find the first earth.she finds and burns her 
>> > body...she fights with apol

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Reece Jennings]

I just watched BSG: Razor.  I downloaded it to my TIVO from Amazon.
I think I'll see if they have the entire series.

  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:41 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale






Lavendar,

The brouhaha that arose against Lee post-Pegasus was because, according to a
web site that devoted itself solely to canonizing BG in totality, Pegasus
was the newest of the Battlestars, and a valuable weapon that could
ill-afford to be lost. Lee's being so apparently cavalier in his actions in
"Exodus Part 2" weighed heavily against him among those die-hard fans in the
Siffy forums. For awhile, he was almost as hated as Helo became for his
actions, when he killed the Cylon prisoners who were infected with the
virus, when Adama was going to get them within range of the Cylon
resurrection ship and kill them, to force them to carry the virus to the
entire humanform Cylon population.







-[ Received Mail Content ]--
Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
Date : Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:01:33 -0400
>From : "Rouge" 
To : 

Trust me, don't get me wrong, I love Galactica but I love the Pegasus just
the same. I mean don't get me wrong I think Lee is cute--but I thought at
the end that was really stupid. 
--Lavender 


From: Martin Baxter 
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:44 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 


Lavendar, 

That made me think back to the third-season opener, "Exodus", in which Lee
sacrificed the Pegasus to effect Galactica's escape, something the fans
NEVER forgave him for. Maybe Lee is a closet technophobe. 





-----[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 
Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:42:28 -0400 
>From : "Rouge" 
To : 

I agree, why give it up all up due the the fact that Lee says so. I mean I 
am sure if they did one more episode I could see the Doc, bitching about no 
equipment to help the sick. I mean no scans to see what type of planet it 
was or anything. Some tech I could see, but not all of the ships where in as

bad a shape like the Galactia. Personally the first time I would have gotten

sick it would have been off with Lee's head. Besides--daddy would not know. 
No tech to call him! 
--Lavender 

-- 
From: "B. Smith" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:56 PM 
To: 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 

> The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged 
> me. African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong 
> way. 
> 
> And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so 
> was mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet 
> paper to use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all 
> agreed to that plan? Give me a break. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter" 
> wrote: 
>> 
>> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's 
>> all over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself 
>> into oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from

>> what I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they 
>> did as well. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
>> 
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 
>> 
> Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500 
>> 
> From : Omari Confer 
>> 
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>> 
>> 
> That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what 
>> happened but with how it happened 
>> 
>> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the 
>> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> c w m 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus 
>> wrote: 
>> 
>> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was 
>> > STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed. then she 
>> > comes back.she is not one of the 5..she helps 
>> > them 
>> > find the first earth.she finds and burns her 
>> > body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in 
>> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny..she helps plan the 
>> > attack on the hub...she fights her butt off in the 
>> > battle at 
>> > the hub..she then vanis

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Omari Confer]

Bamboozled is the word I think

c w m

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> Omari, my biggest problem with the show was that, in the aftermath of the
> writers' strike, script quality went right over Niagra Falls. Stories became
> so trite and hackneyed that they were unwatchable. If they hadn't thrown the
> mutiny arc in, we wouldn't be talking about this, because we wouldn't have
> bothered to watch the finale. I know I wouldn't have.
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
>  Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>
>  Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:02:09 -0500
>
>  From : Omari Confer 
>
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> Those same Siffy's will want more Stargate and crappy movies this channel
> churns out
>
> let us to the fair thing and reanalyzemaybe there is something we
> missed?
>
> c w m
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
> > Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's
> all
> > over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself into
> > oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from what
> > I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they did as
> > well.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> >
> > Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500
> >
> > From : Omari Confer
> >
>  > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what
> > happened but with how it happened
> >
> > A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the
> > property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
> >
> >
> >
> > c w m
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus
> > wrote:
> >
> > > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was
> > > STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed. then she
> > > comes back.she is not one of the 5..she helps
> > them
> > > find the first earth.she finds and burns her
> > > body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in
> > > command of the battlestar after the mutiny......she helps plan the
> > > attack on the hub...she fights her butt off in the
> battle
> > at
> > > the hub..she then vanishes on earthwhat
> > the
> > > frac was she?
> > > that part really got me warm!
> > >
> > > Fate.
> > >
> > > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Martin Baxter
> > > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM
> > >
> > > Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for
> > > THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for
> the
> > > finale were for the combat scenes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > > *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > > *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
> > > *From : *"marian_changling"
> > > *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > >
> > > What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was
> > it
> > > the angels?
> > >
> > > I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable
> ending.
> > > SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
> > > story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.
> > >
> > > I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least
> > they
> > > had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same
> > > ending? I'm curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.
> > >
> > > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the
> > > thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess
> > they
> > > left

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Lavendar,

The brouhaha that arose against Lee post-Pegasus was because, according to a 
web site that devoted itself solely to canonizing BG in totality, Pegasus was 
the newest of the Battlestars, and a valuable weapon that could ill-afford to 
be lost. Lee's being so apparently cavalier in his actions in "Exodus Part 2" 
weighed heavily against him among those die-hard fans in the Siffy forums. For 
awhile, he was almost as hated as Helo became for his actions, when he killed 
the Cylon prisoners who were infected with the virus, when Adama was going to 
get them within range of the Cylon resurrection ship and kill them, to force 
them to carry the virus to the entire humanform Cylon population.





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:01:33 -0400

 From : "Rouge" 

 To : 


Trust me, don't get me wrong, I love Galactica but I love the Pegasus just the 
same. I mean don't get me wrong I think Lee is cute--but I thought at the end 
that was really stupid.
--Lavender


From: Martin Baxter 
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:44 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale


 Lavendar,

 That made me think back to the third-season opener, "Exodus", in which Lee 
sacrificed the Pegasus to effect Galactica's escape, something the fans NEVER 
forgave him for. Maybe Lee is a closet technophobe.





 -[ Received Mail Content ]--
 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:42:28 -0400
 From : "Rouge" 
 To : 

 I agree, why give it up all up due the the fact that Lee says so. I mean I 
 am sure if they did one more episode I could see the Doc, bitching about no 
 equipment to help the sick. I mean no scans to see what type of planet it 
 was or anything. Some tech I could see, but not all of the ships where in as 
 bad a shape like the Galactia. Personally the first time I would have gotten 
 sick it would have been off with Lee's head. Besides--daddy would not know. 
 No tech to call him! 
 --Lavender 

 -- 
 From: "B. Smith" 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:56 PM 
 To: 
 Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 

 > The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged 
 > me. African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong 
 > way. 
 > 
 > And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so 
 > was mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet 
 > paper to use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all 
 > agreed to that plan? Give me a break. 
 > 
 > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter" 
 > wrote: 
 >> 
 >> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's 
 >> all over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself 
 >> into oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from 
 >> what I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they 
 >> did as well. 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 > -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
 >> 
 > Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 
 >> 
 > Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500 
 >> 
 > From : Omari Confer 
 >> 
 > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 >> 
 >> 
 > That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what 
 >> happened but with how it happened 
 >> 
 >> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the 
 >> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)... 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> c w m 
 >> 
 >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus 
 >> wrote: 
 >> 
 >> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was 
 >> > STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed. then she 
 >> > comes back.she is not one of the 5..she helps 
 >> > them 
 >> > find the first earth.she finds and burns her 
 >> > body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in 
 >> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny..she helps plan the 
 >> > attack on the hub...she fights her butt off in the 
 >> > battle at 
 >> > the hub..she then vanishes on earthwhat 
 >> > the 
 >> > frac was she? 
 >> > that part really got me warm! 
 >> > 
 >> > Fate. 
 >> > 
 >> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote: 
 >> 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Rouge]

Trust me, don't get me wrong, I love Galactica but I love the Pegasus just the 
same. I mean don't get me wrong I think Lee is cute--but I thought at the end 
that was really stupid.
--Lavender


From: Martin Baxter 
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:44 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale


  Lavendar,

  That made me think back to the third-season opener, "Exodus", in which 
Lee sacrificed the Pegasus to effect Galactica's escape, something the fans 
NEVER forgave him for. Maybe Lee is a closet technophobe.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--
    Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:42:28 -0400
From : "Rouge" 
To : 

I agree, why give it up all up due the the fact that Lee says so. I 
mean I 
am sure if they did one more episode I could see the Doc, bitching 
about no 
equipment to help the sick. I mean no scans to see what type of planet 
it 
was or anything. Some tech I could see, but not all of the ships where 
in as 
bad a shape like the Galactia. Personally the first time I would have 
gotten 
sick it would have been off with Lee's head. Besides--daddy would not 
know. 
No tech to call him! 
--Lavender 

-- 
From: "B. Smith" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:56 PM 
    To: 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 

> The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve 
bugged 
> me. African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the 
wrong 
> way. 
> 
> And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama 
said so 
> was mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color 
toilet 
> paper to use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they 
all 
> agreed to that plan? Give me a break. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter" 
> wrote: 
>> 
>> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that 
it's 
>> all over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic 
yourself 
>> into oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, 
from 
>> what I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, 
they 
>> did as well. 
>> 
    >> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
>> 
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 
>> 
> Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500 
>> 
> From : Omari Confer 
>> 
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>> 
>> 
> That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what 
>> happened but with how it happened 
>> 
>> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving 
the 
>> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing 
cards)... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> c w m 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus 
>> wrote: 
>> 
>> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck 
was 
>> > STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed. then 
she 
>> > comes back.she is not one of the 5..she 
helps 
>> > them 
>> > find the first earth.she finds and burns her 
>> > body...she fights with apollo on getting adama 
back in 
>> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny..she helps plan 
the 
>> > attack on the hub...she fights her butt off in the 
>> > battle at 
    >> > the hub..she then vanishes on 
earthwhat 
>> > the 
>> > frac was she? 
>> > that part really got me warm! 
>> > 
>> > Fate. 
>> > 
>> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote: 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > From: Martin Baxter 
>> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 
    >> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>> > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM 
>> > 
>>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Fate,

I was right there with you.





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:24:57 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Martin,

u are so right.  there were 2 moments that got me in the ep.  the one when the 
pegasus first showed up and Adama said "goddamn it lee", and then he whispered 
"thank u lee".  that was the first scene and then the second one was when lee 
was walking out of the CIC of the pegasus and looked around and said "thank u" 
to the battlestar.

Fate.

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 12:00 PM











 
 Fate,

I agree with you totally. That was just a thought I threw out for 
consideration. If he hadn't done that, I might've quit the series then and 
there. Only the second of four times I ever cried in the name of genre fiction, 
the others being Wrath of Khan, Silent Running and The Return of the King. One 
truly powerful moment that wills tick with me for the rest of my life, when The 
Beast came swooping in the save Galactica. Lee did it because he knew that the 
Fleet needed his father more than another Battlestar.





-[ Received Mail Content ]----------

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



Martin, 



have 2 disagree with u on that one.  he had 2 sacrifice the pegasus.  i gave 
him props 4 having the balls 2 do it.  but lav is right, soon as some one got 
sick and died, it would have been off with lee's head!



Fate.



--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Martin Baxter wrote:



From: Martin Baxter 

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 7:44 AM























 

 Lavendar,



That made me think back to the third-season opener, "Exodus", in which Lee 
sacrificed the Pegasus to effect Galactica's escape, something the fans NEVER 
forgave him for. Maybe Lee is a closet technophobe.











-[ Received Mail Content ]--



 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:42:28 -0400



 From : "Rouge" 



 To : 







I agree, why give it up all up due the the fact that Lee says so. I mean I 



am sure if they did one more episode I could see the Doc, bitching about no 



equipment to help the sick. I mean no scans to see what type of planet it 



was or anything. Some tech I could see, but not all of the ships where in as 



bad a shape like the Galactia. Personally the first time I would have gotten 



sick it would have been off with Lee's head. Besides--daddy would not know. 



No tech to call him!



--Lavender







 - - - - --



From: "B. Smith" 



Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:56 PM



To: 



Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale







> The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged 



> me. African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong 



> way.



>



> And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so 



> was mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet 



> paper to use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all 



> agreed to that plan? Give me a break.



>



> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" 



> wrote:



>>



>> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's 



>> all over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself 



>> into oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from 



>> what I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they 



>> did as well.



>>



>>



>>



>>



>>



> -[ Received Mail Content ]--



>>



> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



>>



> Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500



>>



> From : Omari Confer 



>>



> To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



>>



>>



> That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what



>> happened but with how it happened



>>



>> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the



>> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...



>>



>>



>>



>> c w m



>>



>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus



>> wrote:



>>



>> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, wha

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

That's an idea to hang onto...





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:17:09 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


what u do is start the book and we (your faithful friends of SciFiNoir) will 
continue 2 add 2 the story until it is completed and then market it.

Fate.

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 12:02 PM











 
 Thank you, Fate! Now if I could only get the paycheck to go with the work...





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:22:34 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



but a damn good job u are doing Martin!  Atlantis huh?  kool.  i do believe the 
baltar would have gotten tired of farming.  he would have built some kind of 
tech though.



Fate.



--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Martin Baxter wrote:



From: Martin Baxter 

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 7:38 AM























 

 

 





 

 Fate, those joyrides could be explained as ancient astronauts or such. And 
part of me thinks that Baltar may have grown tired of just being a farmer and 
taken up technology again, eventually building a little place called Atlantis.



Damn. I'm doing the writers' jobs.











-[ Received Mail Content ]--



 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:43:16 -0700 (PDT)



 From : Augustus Augustus 



 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com







Martin,







u know i agree with B about the EVE thing with Hera, but 2 further it, if 
150,000 years later they found her remains (which means she died as a little 
girl, because the angel baltar said "she lived with her human father and cylon 
mother) then her dna did not get in the gene pool.  also, they sent the fleet 
into the sun, but what about all the raptors and vipers that stayed on earth?  
are we suppose 2 believe that after the first generation of galacticans died, 
the children did not say "hey, i am going 2 take one of the vipers for a ride" 
or "let's build a city and make more raptors, hell i want a battlestar too!"







Fate. 







--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Martin Baxter wrote:







From: Martin Baxter 



Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 5:33 PM















































 



 B, in the aftermath, there was an aura of peace and LUV throughout the 
Fleet.







And probably a lot of chamalla being done. :P (And don't get me started about 
that entire Hera thing...)























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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale







 Date : Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:56:23 -







 From : "B. Smith" 







 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com















The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged me. 
African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong way.















And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so was 
mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet paper to 
use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all agreed to that 
plan? Give me a break. 















--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:







>







> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's all 
> over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself into 
> oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from what I'm 
> hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they did as well.







> 







> 







> 







> 







> 







-[ Received Mail Content ]--







> 







 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale







> 







 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500







> 







 From : Omari Confer 







> 







 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com







> 







> 







That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what







> happened but with how it happened







> 







> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the







> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...







> 







> 







> 







> c w m







> 







> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus







> wrote:







> 







> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was







> > STARBUCK? 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Augustus Augustus]

Martin,

u are so right.  there were 2 moments that got me in the ep.  the one when the 
pegasus first showed up and Adama said "goddamn it lee", and then he whispered 
"thank u lee".  that was the first scene and then the second one was when lee 
was walking out of the CIC of the pegasus and looked around and said "thank u" 
to the battlestar.

Fate.

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 12:00 PM












   Fate,

I agree with you totally. That was just a thought I threw out for 
consideration. If he hadn't done that, I might've quit the series then and 
there. Only the second of four times I ever cried in the name of genre fiction, 
the others being Wrath of Khan, Silent Running and The Return of the King. One 
truly powerful moment that wills tick with me for the rest of my life, when The 
Beast came swooping in the save Galactica. Lee did it because he knew that the 
Fleet needed his father more than another Battlestar.





-[ Received Mail Content ]----------

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



Martin, 



have 2 disagree with u on that one.  he had 2 sacrifice the pegasus.  i gave 
him props 4 having the balls 2 do it.  but lav is right, soon as some one got 
sick and died, it would have been off with lee's head!



Fate.



--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:



From: Martin Baxter 

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 7:44 AM

























   Lavendar,



That made me think back to the third-season opener, "Exodus", in which Lee 
sacrificed the Pegasus to effect Galactica's escape, something the fans NEVER 
forgave him for. Maybe Lee is a closet technophobe.











-[ Received Mail Content ]--



 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:42:28 -0400



 From : "Rouge" 



 To : 







I agree, why give it up all up due the the fact that Lee says so. I mean I 



am sure if they did one more episode I could see the Doc, bitching about no 



equipment to help the sick. I mean no scans to see what type of planet it 



was or anything. Some tech I could see, but not all of the ships where in as 



bad a shape like the Galactia. Personally the first time I would have gotten 



sick it would have been off with Lee's head. Besides--daddy would not know. 



No tech to call him!



--Lavender







 - - - - --



From: "B. Smith" 



Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:56 PM



To: 



Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale







> The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged 



> me. African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong 



> way.



>



> And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so 



> was mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet 



> paper to use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all 



> agreed to that plan? Give me a break.



>



> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter"  



> wrote:



>>



>> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's 



>> all over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself 



>> into oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from 



>> what I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they 



>> did as well.



>>



>>



>>



>>



>>



> -[ Received Mail Content ]--



>>



> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



>>



> Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500



>>



> From : Omari Confer 



>>



> To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



>>



>>



> That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what



>> happened but with how it happened



>>



>> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the



>> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...



>>



>>



>>



>> c w m



>>



>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus



>> wrote:



>>



>> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was



>> > STARBUCK? i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed. then she



>> > comes back . she is not one of the 5..she helps 



>> 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Augustus Augustus]

what u do is start the book and we (your faithful friends of SciFiNoir) will 
continue 2 add 2 the story until it is completed and then market it.

Fate.

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 12:02 PM












   Thank you, Fate! Now if I could only get the paycheck to go with 
the work...





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:22:34 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



but a damn good job u are doing Martin!  Atlantis huh?  kool.  i do believe the 
baltar would have gotten tired of farming.  he would have built some kind of 
tech though.



Fate.



--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:



From: Martin Baxter 

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 7:38 AM

































  

 Fate, those joyrides could be explained as ancient astronauts or such. 
And part of me thinks that Baltar may have grown tired of just being a farmer 
and taken up technology again, eventually building a little place called 
Atlantis.



Damn. I'm doing the writers' jobs.











-[ Received Mail Content ]--



 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:43:16 -0700 (PDT)



 From : Augustus Augustus 



 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com







Martin,







u know i agree with B about the EVE thing with Hera, but 2 further it, if 
150,000 years later they found her remains (which means she died as a little 
girl, because the angel baltar said "she lived with her human father and cylon 
mother) then her dna did not get in the gene pool.  also, they sent the fleet 
into the sun, but what about all the raptors and vipers that stayed on earth?  
are we suppose 2 believe that after the first generation of galacticans died, 
the children did not say "hey, i am going 2 take one of the vipers for a ride" 
or "let's build a city and make more raptors, hell i want a battlestar too!"







Fate. 







--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:







From: Martin Baxter 



Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 5:33 PM



















































   B, in the aftermath, there was an aura of peace and LUV 
throughout the Fleet.







And probably a lot of chamalla being done. :P (And don't get me started about 
that entire Hera thing...)























-[ Received Mail Content ]----------







 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale







 Date : Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:56:23 -







 From : "B. Smith" 







 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com















The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged me. 
African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong way.















And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so was 
mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet paper to 
use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all agreed to that 
plan? Give me a break. 















--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:







>







> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's all 
> over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself into 
> oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from what I'm 
> hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they did as well.







> 







> 







> 







> 







> 







-[ Received Mail Content ]--







> 







 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale







> 







 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500







> 







 From : Omari Confer 







> 







 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com







> 







> 







That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what







> happened but with how it happened







> 







> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the







> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...







> 







> 







> 







> c w m







> 







> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus







> wrote:







> 







> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was







> > STARBUCK? i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed. then she







> > comes back . she is not one of the 5..she helps them

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Thank you, Fate! Now if I could only get the paycheck to go with the work...





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:22:34 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


but a damn good job u are doing Martin!  Atlantis huh?  kool.  i do believe the 
baltar would have gotten tired of farming.  he would have built some kind of 
tech though.

Fate.

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 7:38 AM











 
 
 


 
 Fate, those joyrides could be explained as ancient astronauts or such. And 
part of me thinks that Baltar may have grown tired of just being a farmer and 
taken up technology again, eventually building a little place called Atlantis.

Damn. I'm doing the writers' jobs.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:43:16 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



Martin,



u know i agree with B about the EVE thing with Hera, but 2 further it, if 
150,000 years later they found her remains (which means she died as a little 
girl, because the angel baltar said "she lived with her human father and cylon 
mother) then her dna did not get in the gene pool.  also, they sent the fleet 
into the sun, but what about all the raptors and vipers that stayed on earth?  
are we suppose 2 believe that after the first generation of galacticans died, 
the children did not say "hey, i am going 2 take one of the vipers for a ride" 
or "let's build a city and make more raptors, hell i want a battlestar too!"



Fate. 



--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Martin Baxter wrote:



From: Martin Baxter 

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 5:33 PM























 

 B, in the aftermath, there was an aura of peace and LUV throughout the 
Fleet.



And probably a lot of chamalla being done. :P (And don't get me started about 
that entire Hera thing...)











-[ Received Mail Content ]------



 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



 Date : Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:56:23 -



 From : "B. Smith" 



 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com







The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged me. 
African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong way.







And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so was 
mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet paper to 
use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all agreed to that 
plan? Give me a break. 







--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:



>



> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's all 
> over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself into 
> oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from what I'm 
> hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they did as well.



> 



> 



> 



> 



> 



-[ Received Mail Content ]--



> 



 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



> 



 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500



> 



 From : Omari Confer 



> 



 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



> 



> 



That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what



> happened but with how it happened



> 



> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the



> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...



> 



> 



> 



> c w m



> 



> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus



> wrote:



> 



> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was



> > STARBUCK? i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed. then she



> > comes back . she is not one of the 5..she helps them



> > find the first earth... . .she finds and burns her



> > body . ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in



> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the



> > attack on the hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle 
> > at



> > the hub. .she then vanishes on earth... . ....what 
> > the



> > frac was she?



> > that part really got me warm!



> >



> > Fate.



> >



> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:



> >



> >



> > From: Martin Baxter 



> > Subject: Re: [RE][sci

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Fate,

I agree with you totally. That was just a thought I threw out for 
consideration. If he hadn't done that, I might've quit the series then and 
there. Only the second of four times I ever cried in the name of genre fiction, 
the others being Wrath of Khan, Silent Running and The Return of the King. One 
truly powerful moment that wills tick with me for the rest of my life, when The 
Beast came swooping in the save Galactica. Lee did it because he knew that the 
Fleet needed his father more than another Battlestar.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Martin, 

have 2 disagree with u on that one.  he had 2 sacrifice the pegasus.  i gave 
him props 4 having the balls 2 do it.  but lav is right, soon as some one got 
sick and died, it would have been off with lee's head!

Fate.

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 7:44 AM











 
 Lavendar,

That made me think back to the third-season opener, "Exodus", in which Lee 
sacrificed the Pegasus to effect Galactica's escape, something the fans NEVER 
forgave him for. Maybe Lee is a closet technophobe.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:42:28 -0400

 From : "Rouge" 

 To : 



I agree, why give it up all up due the the fact that Lee says so. I mean I 

am sure if they did one more episode I could see the Doc, bitching about no 

equipment to help the sick. I mean no scans to see what type of planet it 

was or anything. Some tech I could see, but not all of the ships where in as 

bad a shape like the Galactia. Personally the first time I would have gotten 

sick it would have been off with Lee's head. Besides--daddy would not know. 

No tech to call him!

--Lavender



 - - - - --

From: "B. Smith" 

Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:56 PM

To: 

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



> The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged 

> me. African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong 

> way.

>

> And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so 

> was mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet 

> paper to use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all 

> agreed to that plan? Give me a break.

>

> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" 

> wrote:

>>

>> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's 

>> all over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself 

>> into oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from 

>> what I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they 

>> did as well.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

> -[ Received Mail Content ]--

>>

> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

>>

> Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500

>>

> From : Omari Confer 

>>

> To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

>>

>>

> That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what

>> happened but with how it happened

>>

>> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the

>> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...

>>

>>

>>

>> c w m

>>

>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus

>> wrote:

>>

>> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was

>> > STARBUCK? i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed. then she

>> > comes back . she is not one of the 5..she helps 

>> > them

>> > find the first earth... . .she finds and burns her

>> > body . ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in

>> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the

>> > attack on the hub. . .she fights her butt off in the 

>> > battle at

>> > the hub. .she then vanishes on earth... . what 

>> > the

>> > frac was she?

>> > that part really got me warm!

>> >

>> > Fate.

>> >

>> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:

>> >

>> >

>> > From: Martin Baxter

>> > Subject: Re: [RE][s

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Augustus Augustus]

but a damn good job u are doing Martin!  Atlantis huh?  kool.  i do believe the 
baltar would have gotten tired of farming.  he would have built some kind of 
tech though.

Fate.

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 7:38 AM
















  
 Fate, those joyrides could be explained as ancient astronauts or such. 
And part of me thinks that Baltar may have grown tired of just being a farmer 
and taken up technology again, eventually building a little place called 
Atlantis.

Damn. I'm doing the writers' jobs.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:43:16 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



Martin,



u know i agree with B about the EVE thing with Hera, but 2 further it, if 
150,000 years later they found her remains (which means she died as a little 
girl, because the angel baltar said "she lived with her human father and cylon 
mother) then her dna did not get in the gene pool.  also, they sent the fleet 
into the sun, but what about all the raptors and vipers that stayed on earth?  
are we suppose 2 believe that after the first generation of galacticans died, 
the children did not say "hey, i am going 2 take one of the vipers for a ride" 
or "let's build a city and make more raptors, hell i want a battlestar too!"



Fate. 



--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:



From: Martin Baxter 

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 5:33 PM

























   B, in the aftermath, there was an aura of peace and LUV 
throughout the Fleet.



And probably a lot of chamalla being done. :P (And don't get me started about 
that entire Hera thing...)











-[ Received Mail Content ]------



 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



 Date : Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:56:23 -



 From : "B. Smith" 



 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com







The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged me. 
African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong way.







And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so was 
mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet paper to 
use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all agreed to that 
plan? Give me a break. 







--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:



>



> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's all 
> over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself into 
> oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from what I'm 
> hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they did as well.



> 



> 



> 



> 



> 



-[ Received Mail Content ]--



> 



 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



> 



 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500



> 



 From : Omari Confer 



> 



 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



> 



> 



That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what



> happened but with how it happened



> 



> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the



> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...



> 



> 



> 



> c w m



> 



> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus



> wrote:



> 



> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was



> > STARBUCK? i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed. then she



> > comes back . she is not one of the 5..she helps them



> > find the first earth... . .she finds and burns her



> > body . ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in



> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the



> > attack on the hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle 
> > at



> > the hub. .she then vanishes on earth... . ....what 
> > the



> > frac was she?



> > that part really got me warm!



> >



> > Fate.



> >



> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:



> >



> >



> > From: Martin Baxter 



> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



> > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM



> >



> > Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Augustus Augustus]

Martin, 

have 2 disagree with u on that one.  he had 2 sacrifice the pegasus.  i gave 
him props 4 having the balls 2 do it.  but lav is right, soon as some one got 
sick and died, it would have been off with lee's head!

Fate.

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 7:44 AM












   Lavendar,

That made me think back to the third-season opener, "Exodus", in which Lee 
sacrificed the Pegasus to effect Galactica's escape, something the fans NEVER 
forgave him for. Maybe Lee is a closet technophobe.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:42:28 -0400

 From : "Rouge" 

 To : 



I agree, why give it up all up due the the fact that Lee says so. I mean I 

am sure if they did one more episode I could see the Doc, bitching about no 

equipment to help the sick. I mean no scans to see what type of planet it 

was or anything. Some tech I could see, but not all of the ships where in as 

bad a shape like the Galactia. Personally the first time I would have gotten 

sick it would have been off with Lee's head. Besides--daddy would not know. 

No tech to call him!

--Lavender



 - - - - --

From: "B. Smith" 

Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:56 PM

To: 

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



> The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged 

> me. African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong 

> way.

>

> And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so 

> was mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet 

> paper to use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all 

> agreed to that plan? Give me a break.

>

> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter"  

> wrote:

>>

>> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's 

>> all over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself 

>> into oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from 

>> what I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they 

>> did as well.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

> -[ Received Mail Content ]--

>>

> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

>>

> Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500

>>

> From : Omari Confer 

>>

> To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

>>

>>

> That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what

>> happened but with how it happened

>>

>> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the

>> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...

>>

>>

>>

>> c w m

>>

>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus

>> wrote:

>>

>> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was

>> > STARBUCK? i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed. then she

>> > comes back . she is not one of the 5..she helps 

>> > them

>> > find the first earth... . .she finds and burns her

>> > body . ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in

>> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the

>> > attack on the hub. . .she fights her butt off in the 

>> > battle at

>> > the hub. .she then vanishes on earth... . what 

>> > the

>> > frac was she?

>> > that part really got me warm!

>> >

>> > Fate.

>> >

>> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:

>> >

>> >

>> > From: Martin Baxter

>> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

>> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

>> > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM

>> >

>> > Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for

>> > THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for 

>> > the

>> > finale were for the combat scenes.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--

>> > *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

>> > *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -

>> > *From : *"marian_changling"

>> > *To : *scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com

>&g

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Lavendar,

That made me think back to the third-season opener, "Exodus", in which Lee 
sacrificed the Pegasus to effect Galactica's escape, something the fans NEVER 
forgave him for. Maybe Lee is a closet technophobe.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:42:28 -0400

 From : "Rouge" 

 To : 


I agree, why give it up all up due the the fact that Lee says so. I mean I 
am sure if they did one more episode I could see the Doc, bitching about no 
equipment to help the sick. I mean no scans to see what type of planet it 
was or anything. Some tech I could see, but not all of the ships where in as 
bad a shape like the Galactia. Personally the first time I would have gotten 
sick it would have been off with Lee's head. Besides--daddy would not know. 
No tech to call him!
--Lavender

--
From: "B. Smith" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:56 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

> The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged 
> me. African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong 
> way.
>
> And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so 
> was mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet 
> paper to use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all 
> agreed to that plan? Give me a break.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  
> wrote:
>>
>> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's 
>> all over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself 
>> into oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from 
>> what I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they 
>> did as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>>
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>>
> Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500
>>
> From : Omari Confer 
>>
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
> That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what
>> happened but with how it happened
>>
>> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the
>> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
>>
>>
>>
>> c w m
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus
>> wrote:
>>
>> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was
>> > STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed. then she
>> > comes back.she is not one of the 5..she helps 
>> > them
>> > find the first earth.she finds and burns her
>> > body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in
>> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny..she helps plan the
>> > attack on the hub...she fights her butt off in the 
>> > battle at
>> > the hub..she then vanishes on earthwhat 
>> > the
>> > frac was she?
>> > that part really got me warm!
>> >
>> > Fate.
>> >
>> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Martin Baxter
>> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM
>> >
>> > Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for
>> > THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for 
>> > the
>> > finale were for the combat scenes.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>> > *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>> > *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
>> > *From : *"marian_changling"
>> > *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>> >
>> > What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was 
>> > it
>> > the angels?
>> >
>> > I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable 
>> > ending.
>> > SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
>> > story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.
>> >
>> > I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least 
>> > they
>> 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Marian, I read a similar statement in a BG article at the io9 web site.





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 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:54:40 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Marian Moore 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


re "No one ever said she was an angel..thats what made it interesting. 
v"
 
Yes, that's something I picked up from the TOR web site.  They called her and 
Head-6 and Head-Baltair "angels".

B'shalom,
Marian
http://makeda42.livejournal.com/


 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Fate, those joyrides could be explained as ancient astronauts or such. And part 
of me thinks that Baltar may have grown tired of just being a farmer and taken 
up technology again, eventually building a little place called Atlantis.

Damn. I'm doing the writers' jobs.





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:43:16 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Martin,

u know i agree with B about the EVE thing with Hera, but 2 further it, if 
150,000 years later they found her remains (which means she died as a little 
girl, because the angel baltar said "she lived with her human father and cylon 
mother) then her dna did not get in the gene pool.  also, they sent the fleet 
into the sun, but what about all the raptors and vipers that stayed on earth?  
are we suppose 2 believe that after the first generation of galacticans died, 
the children did not say "hey, i am going 2 take one of the vipers for a ride" 
or "let's build a city and make more raptors, hell i want a battlestar too!"

Fate. 

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 5:33 PM











 
 B, in the aftermath, there was an aura of peace and LUV throughout the 
Fleet.

And probably a lot of chamalla being done. :P (And don't get me started about 
that entire Hera thing...)





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 Date : Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:56:23 -

 From : "B. Smith" 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged me. 
African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong way.



And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so was 
mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet paper to 
use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all agreed to that 
plan? Give me a break. 



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:

>

> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's all 
> over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself into 
> oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from what I'm 
> hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they did as well.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

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> 

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

> 

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500

> 

 From : Omari Confer 

> 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> 

> 

That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what

> happened but with how it happened

> 

> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the

> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...

> 

> 

> 

> c w m

> 

> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus

> wrote:

> 

> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was

> > STARBUCK? i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed. then she

> > comes back . she is not one of the 5..she helps them

> > find the first earth... . .she finds and burns her

> > body . ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in

> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the

> > attack on the hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle 
> > at

> > the hub. .she then vanishes on earth... ..... ....what 
> > the

> > frac was she?

> > that part really got me warm!

> >

> > Fate.

> >

> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:

> >

> >

> > From: Martin Baxter 

> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM

> >

> > Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for

> > THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the

> > finale were for the combat scenes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--

> > *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

> > *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -

> > *From : *"marian_changling" 

> > *To : *scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com

> >

> > What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it

> > the angels?

> >

> > I was

RE: [scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Tracey, that is a distinct possibility, screw them over in retaliation. If they 
did, though, then they screwed themselves as well, because the negative 
criticism they're receiving in droves now is going to follow them everywhere 
they go.





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 Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:55:44 -0700

 From : "Tracey de Morsella" 

 To : 


I found Sisko’s ending storyline almost as disturbing as the ending to 
Battlestar. However, my husband pointed out that BSG producers were really 
screwed around by SyFy. First saying they had five years and then a few months 
later saying the show would be cancelled, then a few months later saying they 
were going to split the fourth season into two seasons. oh by the way, tack an 
extra hour onto the series finale. 

 

Perhaps ambivalence and disgust worked its way into the scripting. 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:26 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG finale

 


Bosco, your last is a sentiment I can easily get behind. And the really scary 
thing in this is that RDM did such fantastic work on DS9. Maybe that was his 
zenith, and we're sitting witness to his nadir.




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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] BSG finale
Date : Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:54:55 -0700 (PDT)
>From : Bosco Bosco 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

I was infuriated by the ending. The finale destroyed the show for me. I usually 
will watch a show I love repeatedly on DVD but I will never ever watch a BSG 
episode ever again. There are myriad things that I found wrong, objectionable, 
questionable etc. The BSG Finale has now replaced the Matrix for the most hated 
Sci-Fi on my list. 

I can't even really have a civilized discussion of my contempt for the writers 
of BSG. At this point, I'm boycotting all of their future work in advance. 

Bosco 
--- On Sun, 4/5/09, marian_changling wrote: 

From: marian_changling 
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG finale 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 6:48 PM 












I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it. 


































http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 










http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Tracey de Morsella]

Without giving away the ending.  The Mind… ending is referring to issues with 
reality.  I think it has more to do with whether you like those types of story 
resolutions

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Martin Baxter 
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:33 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 


The folks behind the American version made it a point to end it differently. I 
read that much in another of my groups. Strangely, thinking on it now, no one 
there has commented a word about the end of it, good or bad. Makes me wonder if 
they're in a similar moment of rage as we are here with BG, disgusted with the 
ending. I'll have to raise the spectre in a few when I make it over there.




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Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
Date : Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:03:44 -0700
>From : "Tracey de Morsella" 
To : 

I did not see , it but the British series had a very different ending. I've 
heard fans of both shows say that they were both mind...@#s 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of marian_changling 
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:40 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale 

What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it 
the angels? 

I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending. 
SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve 
story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve. 

I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they 
had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same 
ending? I'm curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter" 
wrote: 
> 
> Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the 
thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they 
left with that denouement. 
> 
> Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 - 
> 
>From : "marian_changling" 
> 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> 
I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 
> 




 

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RE: [scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Tracey de Morsella]

I found Sisko’s ending storyline almost as disturbing as the ending to 
Battlestar.  However, my husband pointed out that BSG producers were really 
screwed around by SyFy.  First saying they had five years and then  a few 
months  later saying the show would be cancelled, then a few months later 
saying they were going to split the fourth season into two seasons. oh by the 
way, tack an extra hour onto the series finale.  

 

Perhaps ambivalence and disgust worked its way into the scripting.   

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:26 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG finale

 


Bosco, your last is a sentiment I can easily get behind. And the really scary 
thing in this is that RDM did such fantastic work on DS9. Maybe that was his 
zenith, and we're sitting witness to his nadir.




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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] BSG finale
Date : Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:54:55 -0700 (PDT)
>From : Bosco Bosco 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

I was infuriated by the ending. The finale destroyed the show for me. I usually 
will watch a show I love repeatedly on DVD but I will never ever watch a BSG 
episode ever again. There are myriad things that I found wrong, objectionable, 
questionable etc. The BSG Finale has now replaced the Matrix for the most hated 
Sci-Fi on my list. 

I can't even really have a civilized discussion of my contempt for the writers 
of BSG. At this point, I'm boycotting all of their future work in advance. 

Bosco 
--- On Sun, 4/5/09, marian_changling wrote: 

From: marian_changling 
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG finale 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 6:48 PM 












I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it. 


































http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Marian Moore]

re "No one ever said she was an angel..thats what made it interesting. 
v"
 
Yes, that's something I picked up from the TOR web site.  They called her and 
Head-6 and Head-Baltair "angels".

B'shalom,
Marian
http://makeda42.livejournal.com/


  

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Rouge]

I agree, why give it up all up due the the fact that Lee says so. I mean I 
am sure if they did one more episode I could see the Doc, bitching about no 
equipment to help the sick. I mean no scans to see what type of planet it 
was or anything. Some tech I could see, but not all of the ships where in as 
bad a shape like the Galactia. Personally the first time I would have gotten 
sick it would have been off with Lee's head. Besides--daddy would not know. 
No tech to call him!
--Lavender

--
From: "B. Smith" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:56 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

> The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged 
> me. African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong 
> way.
>
> And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so 
> was mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet 
> paper to use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all 
> agreed to that plan? Give me a break.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  
> wrote:
>>
>> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's 
>> all over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself 
>> into oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from 
>> what I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they 
>> did as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>>
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>>
> Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500
>>
> From : Omari Confer 
>>
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
> That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what
>> happened but with how it happened
>>
>> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the
>> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
>>
>>
>>
>> c w m
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus
>> wrote:
>>
>> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was
>> > STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed. then she
>> > comes back.she is not one of the 5..she helps 
>> > them
>> > find the first earth.she finds and burns her
>> > body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in
>> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny..she helps plan the
>> > attack on the hub.......she fights her butt off in the 
>> > battle at
>> > the hub..she then vanishes on earthwhat 
>> > the
>> > frac was she?
>> > that part really got me warm!
>> >
>> > Fate.
>> >
>> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Martin Baxter
>> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM
>> >
>> > Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for
>> > THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for 
>> > the
>> > finale were for the combat scenes.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>> > *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>> > *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
>> > *From : *"marian_changling"
>> > *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>> >
>> > What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was 
>> > it
>> > the angels?
>> >
>> > I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable 
>> > ending.
>> > SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
>> > story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.
>> >
>> > I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least 
>> > they
>> > had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same
>> > ending? I'm curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.
>> >
>> > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the
>> > thirty-one minut

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Augustus Augustus]

Martin,

u know i agree with B about the EVE thing with Hera, but 2 further it, if 
150,000 years later they found her remains (which means she died as a little 
girl, because the angel baltar said "she lived with her human father and cylon 
mother) then her dna did not get in the gene pool.  also, they sent the fleet 
into the sun, but what about all the raptors and vipers that stayed on earth?  
are we suppose 2 believe that after the first generation of galacticans died, 
the children did not say "hey, i am going 2 take one of the vipers for a ride" 
or "let's build a city and make more raptors, hell i want a battlestar too!"

Fate. 

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 5:33 PM












   B, in the aftermath, there was an aura of peace and LUV 
throughout the Fleet.

And probably a lot of chamalla being done. :P (And don't get me started about 
that entire Hera thing...)





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 Date : Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:56:23 -

 From : "B. Smith" 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged me. 
African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong way.



And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so was 
mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet paper to 
use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all agreed to that 
plan? Give me a break. 



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:

>

> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's all 
> over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself into 
> oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from what I'm 
> hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they did as well.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

-[ Received Mail Content ]--

> 

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

> 

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500

> 

 From : Omari Confer 

> 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> 

> 

That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what

> happened but with how it happened

> 

> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the

> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...

> 

> 

> 

> c w m

> 

> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus

> wrote:

> 

> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was

> > STARBUCK? i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed. then she

> > comes back . she is not one of the 5..she helps them

> > find the first earth... . .she finds and burns her

> > body . ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in

> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the

> > attack on the hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle 
> > at

> > the hub. .she then vanishes on earth... ..... ....what 
> > the

> > frac was she?

> > that part really got me warm!

> >

> > Fate.

> >

> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:

> >

> >

> > From: Martin Baxter 

> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM

> >

> > Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for

> > THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the

> > finale were for the combat scenes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--

> > *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

> > *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -

> > *From : *"marian_changling" 

> > *To : *scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com

> >

> > What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it

> > the angels?

> >

> > I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.

> > SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve

> > story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.

> >

> > I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they

> > had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same

> > ending? I'm curio

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Omari, my biggest problem with the show was that, in the aftermath of the 
writers' strike, script quality went right over Niagra Falls. Stories became so 
trite and hackneyed that they were unwatchable. If they hadn't thrown the 
mutiny arc in, we wouldn't be talking about this, because we wouldn't have 
bothered to watch the finale. I know I wouldn't have.





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:02:09 -0500

 From : Omari Confer 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Those same Siffy's will want more Stargate and crappy movies this channel
churns out

let us to the fair thing and reanalyzemaybe there is something we
missed?

c w m

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's all
> over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself into
> oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from what
> I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they did as
> well.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>
> Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500
>
> From : Omari Confer 
>
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what
> happened but with how it happened
>
> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the
> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
>
>
>
> c w m
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus
> wrote:
>
> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was
> > STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed. then she
> > comes back.she is not one of the 5..she helps
> them
> > find the first earth.she finds and burns her
> > body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in
> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny..she helps plan the
> > attack on the hub...she fights her butt off in the battle
> at
> > the hub..she then vanishes on earth........what
> the
> > frac was she?
> > that part really got me warm!
> >
> > Fate.
> >
> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Martin Baxter
> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM
> >
> > Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for
> > THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the
> > finale were for the combat scenes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
> > *From : *"marian_changling"
> > *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >
> > What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was
> it
> > the angels?
> >
> > I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.
> > SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
> > story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.
> >
> > I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least
> they
> > had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same
> > ending? I'm curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.
> >
> > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:
> > >
> > > Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the
> > thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess
> they
> > left with that denouement.
> > >
> > > Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > >
> > Subject : [scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > >
> > Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 -
> > >
> > From : "marian_changling"
> > >
> > To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > >
> > >
> > I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it
> > on Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on
> > TOR's site and they absolutely excoriated it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> cwm blog
> http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> STRING THEORY
> http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>



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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Omari Confer]

Those same Siffy's will want more Stargate and crappy movies this channel
churns out

let us to the fair thing and reanalyzemaybe there is something we
missed?

c w m

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's all
> over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself into
> oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from what
> I'm hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they did as
> well.
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
>  Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>
>  Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500
>
>  From : Omari Confer 
>
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what
> happened but with how it happened
>
> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the
> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
>
>
>
> c w m
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus
> wrote:
>
> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was
> > STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed. then she
> > comes back.she is not one of the 5..she helps
> them
> > find the first earth.she finds and burns her
> > body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in
> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny..she helps plan the
> > attack on the hub...she fights her butt off in the battle
> at
> > the hub..she then vanishes on earthwhat
> the
> > frac was she?
> > that part really got me warm!
> >
> > Fate.
> >
> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Martin Baxter
> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM
> >
> > Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for
> > THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the
> > finale were for the combat scenes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
> > *From : *"marian_changling"
> > *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >
> > What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was
> it
> > the angels?
> >
> > I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.
> > SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
> > story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.
> >
> > I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least
> they
> > had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same
> > ending? I'm curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.
> >
> > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:
> > >
> > > Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the
> > thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess
> they
> > left with that denouement.
> > >
> > > Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > >
> > Subject : [scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > >
> > Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 -
> > >
> > From : "marian_changling"
> > >
> > To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > >
> > >
> > I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it
> > on Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on
> > TOR's site and they absolutely excoriated it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> cwm blog
> http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> STRING THEORY
> http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>



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STRING THEORY
http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

B, in the aftermath, there was an aura of peace and LUV throughout the 
Fleet.

And probably a lot of chamalla being done. :P (And don't get me started about 
that entire Hera thing...)





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:56:23 -

 From : "B. Smith" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged me. 
African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong way.

And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so was 
mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet paper to 
use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all agreed to that 
plan? Give me a break. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's all 
> over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself into 
> oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from what I'm 
> hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they did as well.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
-[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> 
 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500
> 
 From : Omari Confer 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what
> happened but with how it happened
> 
> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the
> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
> 
> 
> 
> c w m
> 
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus
> wrote:
> 
> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was
> > STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed. then she
> > comes back.she is not one of the 5..she helps them
> > find the first earth.she finds and burns her
> > body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in
> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny..she helps plan the
> > attack on the hub...she fights her butt off in the battle at
> > the hub..she then vanishes on earthwhat the
> > frac was she?
> > that part really got me warm!
> >
> > Fate.
> >
> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Martin Baxter 
> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM
> >
> > Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for
> > THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the
> > finale were for the combat scenes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
> > *From : *"marian_changling" 
> > *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >
> > What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it
> > the angels?
> >
> > I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.
> > SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
> > story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.
> >
> > I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they
> > had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same
> > ending? I'm curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.
> >
> > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:
> > >
> > > Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the
> > thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they
> > left with that denouement.
> > >
> > > Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > >
> > Subject : [scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > >
> > Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 -
> > >
> > From : "marian_changling"
> > >
> > To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > >
> > >
> > I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it
> > on Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on
> > TOR's site and they absolutely excoriated it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> cwm blog
> http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> STRING THEORY
> http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[B. Smith]

The religious aspects didn't bother me but the whole Hera as Eve bugged me. 
African primitives receiving heavenly DNA really rubbed me the wrong way.

And the sheer stupidity of giving up their tech because Lee Adama said so was 
mind boggling. The Quorum would have bitched about what color toilet paper to 
use during a shooting war with a genocidal enemy but they all agreed to that 
plan? Give me a break. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's all 
> over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself into 
> oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from what I'm 
> hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they did as well.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
-[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> 
 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500
> 
 From : Omari Confer 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what
> happened but with how it happened
> 
> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the
> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
> 
> 
> 
> c w m
> 
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus
> wrote:
> 
> > glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was
> > STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed. then she
> > comes back.she is not one of the 5..she helps them
> > find the first earth.she finds and burns her
> > body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in
> > command of the battlestar after the mutiny..she helps plan the
> > attack on the hub...she fights her butt off in the battle at
> > the hub..she then vanishes on earthwhat the
> > frac was she?
> > that part really got me warm!
> >
> > Fate.
> >
> > --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Martin Baxter 
> > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM
> >
> > Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for
> > THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the
> > finale were for the combat scenes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
> > *From : *"marian_changling" 
> > *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >
> > What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it
> > the angels?
> >
> > I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.
> > SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
> > story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.
> >
> > I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they
> > had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same
> > ending? I'm curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.
> >
> > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:
> > >
> > > Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the
> > thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they
> > left with that denouement.
> > >
> > > Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > >
> > Subject : [scifinoir2] BSG finale
> > >
> > Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 -
> > >
> > From : "marian_changling"
> > >
> > To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > >
> > >
> > I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it
> > on Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on
> > TOR's site and they absolutely excoriated it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> cwm blog
> http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> STRING THEORY
> http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Omari, I loved that ending (TNG), closure without the thought that it's all 
over with. As a fan, you could close your eyes and fan-fic yourself into 
oblivion after TNG went off. BG... I just feel ripped off. And, from what I'm 
hearing from the hardcore fans over on the Siffy boards, they did as well.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:30:05 -0500

 From : Omari Confer 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what
happened but with how it happened

A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the
property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...



c w m

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus
wrote:

> glad that this was brought up. here is a question, what the heck was
> STARBUCK? i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed. then she
> comes back.she is not one of the 5..she helps them
> find the first earth.she finds and burns her
> body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in
> command of the battlestar after the mutiny..she helps plan the
> attack on the hub...she fights her butt off in the battle at
> the hub..she then vanishes on earthwhat the
> frac was she?
> that part really got me warm!
>
> Fate.
>
> --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:
>
>
> From: Martin Baxter 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM
>
> Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for
> THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the
> finale were for the combat scenes.
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
> *From : *"marian_changling" 
> *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>
> What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it
> the angels?
>
> I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.
> SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
> story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.
>
> I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they
> had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same
> ending? I'm curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.
>
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:
> >
> > Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the
> thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they
> left with that denouement.
> >
> > Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> Subject : [scifinoir2] BSG finale
> >
> Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 -
> >
> From : "marian_changling"
> >
> To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >
> >
> I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it
> on Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on
> TOR's site and they absolutely excoriated it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
>
>
> 
>



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Thank you, my friend.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:10:43 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Martin,

truer words were never spoken (well in this case, typed.)

Fate.

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:29 AM











 
 Fate, I've been told repeatedly that Starbuck was an angel, specifically 
returned to lead the Fleet to Earth. Which doesn't jibe with the moment when 
she found her own body on the ruined Earth, and Leoben, who was with her, 
cringed away in horror before running away, saying that she was "an 
abomination" . As we're into baseball season, the proer analogy here would be, 
"That's an 0-and-16 count against the writers at bat..."





-[ Received Mail Content ]----------

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 05:09:38 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



glad that this was brought up.  here is a question, what the heck was STARBUCK? 
 i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed.  then she comes 
back . she is not one of the 5..she helps them find the 
first earth... . .she finds and burns her body 
. ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in command of the 
battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the attack on the 
hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle at the 
hub. .she then vanishes on earth... . what the frac 
was she?

that part really got me warm!



Fate.



--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter wrote:



From: Martin Baxter 

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM























 

 Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for THIS?" as 
a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the finale were for 
the combat scenes.











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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



 Date : Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -



 From : "marian_changling" 



 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com







What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it the 
angels?







I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending. SF 
writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve story. In 
this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.







I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they had 
an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same ending? I'm 
curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.







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>



> Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the 
> thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they 
> left with that denouement.



> 



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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Fate,

Thinking about that moment, maybe she *was* being angelic, in a sense. Knowing 
that Anders was doomed to life in that vegetative state (and finally coming to 
the realization that she really did love the man, even after stonewalling him 
as mercilessly as she did when their marriage was still young), I think she 
wanted to spare him any suffering.





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 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:09:19 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Omari,

i concur with the ending of TNG  picard and crew playing cards was classic.  
Enterprise's finale sucked, as did DS9.  but BSG, it was horrible.  2 say that 
Starbuck was an angel?  if that was the case, y would she want 2 kill Sam when 
he was in the tub running the ship?  very un-angelic.  sorry, but it did give 
me a few answer and some questions.  what it did was gave me a hell of a LOT of 
questions, and not really good answers.  

Fate.

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer  wrote:

From: Omari Confer 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:30 AM











 
 That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what happened 
but with how it happened
 
A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the 
property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
 
 
 
c w m


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus  wrote:










glad that this was brought up.  here is a question, what the heck was STARBUCK? 
 i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed.  then she comes 
back . she is not one of the 5..she helps them find the 
first earth... . .she finds and burns her body 
. ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in command of the 
battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the attack on the 
hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle at the 
hub. .she then vanishes on earth... . what the frac 
was she?

that part really got me warm!

Fate.

--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:


From: Martin Baxter  

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM









Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for THIS?" as 
a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the finale were for 
the combat scenes.







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Date : Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
>From : "marian_changling" 

To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 


What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it the 
angels? 

I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending. SF 
writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve story. In 
this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve. 


I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they had 
an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same ending? I'm 
curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't. 



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote: 
> 
> Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the 
> thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they 
> left with that denouement. 

> 
> Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 

> 
> 
I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it. 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds 
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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Omari Confer]

because I am sci fi god and you must bow to melol

Most responses boil down to I just dont like it...the details are
agruable...

I think most are just dissapointed that the solution to such an involving
story is so simple and so poorly done...

I would say we feel more cheated than anything. The finale was decent if
this was a one season show...or a miniseries.

But since this was supposed to be the greatest sci fi show ever..we are
giving it unfair anlysisbut accurate judgement.

bow before zod.

c w m




On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Augustus Augustus
wrote:

> hold on a moment,
>
> what makes u think that the threads here have 2 be satisfying 2 u?  we all
> are sci fi fans and we speak about what is satisfying 2 us.  we are not
> trying 2  make everything satisfactory 2 u.  if u do not find these threads
> satisfying, then y not tell me what would SATISFY u?  since obviously U are
> not satisfied with what we wrote and how we feel.
>
> Fate.
>
> --- On *Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer * wrote:
>
>
> From: Omari Confer 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 12:52 PM
>
>
> We are all in agreement that BSG finale is dissapointing. ...
>
> The reasons exlained in this and other threads are not satisfying.
>
> c w m
>  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Augustus Augustus  yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>>  Omari,
>>
>> i tend 2 disagree with u on that one.  did not make it interesting 2 me.
>> made me upset, like rave, martin, and T said time that is
>> now gone and i cannot get back.
>>
>> Fate.
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer > gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=clockwork...@gmail.com>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Omari Confer > gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=clockwork...@gmail.com>
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>>  To: scifino...@yahoogro 
>> ups.com<http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>
>>  Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 9:23 AM
>>
>>   No one ever said she was an angel..thats what made it interesting.
>> 
>>
>>  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Augustus Augustus > yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Omari,
>>>
>>> i concur with the ending of TNG  picard and crew playing cards was
>>> classic.  Enterprise's finale sucked, as did DS9.  but BSG, it was
>>> horrible.  2 say that Starbuck was an angel?  if that was the case, y would
>>> she want 2 kill Sam when he was in the tub running the ship?  very
>>> un-angelic.  sorry, but it did give me a few answer and some questions.
>>> what it did was gave me a hell of a LOT of questions, and not really good
>>> answers.
>>>
>>> Fate.
>>>
>>> --- On *Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer >> gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=clockwork...@gmail.com>
>>> >* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Omari Confer >> gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=clockwork...@gmail.com>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>>> To: scifino...@yahoogro 
>>> ups.com<http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>
>>>  Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:30 AM
>>>
>>>   That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what
>>> happened but with how it happened
>>>
>>> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the
>>> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> c w m
>>>
>>>  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus >> yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  glad that this was brought up.  here is a question, what the heck
>>>> was STARBUCK?  i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed.  then
>>>> she comes back . she is not one of the 5..she helps
>>>> them find the first earth... . .she finds and burns her
>>>> body . ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in
>>>> command of the battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the
>>>> attack on the hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle
>>>> at the hub. .she then vanishes on earth... .
>>>> what the frac was she?
>>>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Augustus Augustus]

loved that line from Supes II!  
i agree with your assessment.  after really getting behind the story (and that 
was hard 4 me since Tigh nor Boomer were Black anymore.moment of 
silence for the original BSG) and feeling 4 the characters, we get ot the very 
end and it's like a pre-mature ejac.  just down right depressing!

Fate.

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer  wrote:

From: Omari Confer 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 2:03 PM












because I am sci fi god and you must bow to melol
 
Most responses boil down to I just dont like it...the details are 
agruable...
 
I think most are just dissapointed that the solution to such an involving story 
is so simple and so poorly done...
 
I would say we feel more cheated than anything. The finale was decent if this 
was a one season show...or a miniseries.. ...
 
But since this was supposed to be the greatest sci fi show ever..we are giving 
it unfair anlysisbut accurate judgement... ..
 
bow before zod.
 
c w m
 


 
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:










hold on a moment,

what makes u think that the threads here have 2 be satisfying 2 u?  we all are 
sci fi fans and we speak about what is satisfying 2 us.  we are not trying 2  
make everything satisfactory 2 u.  if u do not find these threads satisfying, 
then y not tell me what would SATISFY u?  since obviously U are not satisfied 
with what we wrote and how we feel. 


Fate.

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer  wrote:



From: Omari Confer 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 12:52 PM







We are all in agreement that BSG finale is dissapointing. ...
 
The reasons exlained in this and other threads are not satisfying.
 
c w m


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:












Omari,

i tend 2 disagree with u on that one.  did not make it interesting 2 me.  made 
me upset, like rave, martin, and T said time that is now gone 
and i cannot get back. 


Fate.

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer  wrote:




From: Omari Confer 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale



To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 9:23 AM





No one ever said she was an angel..thats what made it interesting. 



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:











Omari,

i concur with the ending of TNG  picard and crew playing cards was classic.  
Enterprise's finale sucked, as did DS9.  but BSG, it was horrible.  2 say that 
Starbuck was an angel?  if that was the case, y would she want 2 kill Sam when 
he was in the tub running the ship?  very un-angelic.  sorry, but it did give 
me a few answer and some questions.  what it did was gave me a hell of a LOT of 
questions, and not really good answers.  


Fate.

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer  wrote:



From: Omari Confer  


Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:30 AM






That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what happened 
but with how it happened
 
A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the 
property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
 
 
 
c w m



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:











glad that this was brought up.  here is a question, what the heck was 
STARBUCK?  i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed.  then she comes 
back . she is not one of the 5..she helps them find the 
first earth... . .she finds and burns her body 
. ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in command of the 
battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the attack on the 
hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle at the 
hub. .she then vanishes on earth... . what the frac 
was she?

that part really got me warm!

Fate.

--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:




From: Martin Baxter  

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 

Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM









Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for THIS?" as 
a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the finale were for 
the combat scenes.







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Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
Date : Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
>From : "marian_changling" 

To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 


What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it the 
angels? 

I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending. SF 
writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve story. In 
this case, they di

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Augustus Augustus]

hold on a moment,

what makes u think that the threads here have 2 be satisfying 2 u?  we all are 
sci fi fans and we speak about what is satisfying 2 us.  we are not trying 2  
make everything satisfactory 2 u.  if u do not find these threads satisfying, 
then y not tell me what would SATISFY u?  since obviously U are not satisfied 
with what we wrote and how we feel.

Fate.

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer  wrote:

From: Omari Confer 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 12:52 PM













We are all in agreement that BSG finale is dissapointing. ...
 
The reasons exlained in this and other threads are not satisfying.
 
c w m

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:










Omari,

i tend 2 disagree with u on that one.  did not make it interesting 2 me.  made 
me upset, like rave, martin, and T said time that is now gone 
and i cannot get back. 


Fate.

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer  wrote:



From: Omari Confer 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 9:23 AM





No one ever said she was an angel..thats what made it interesting. 



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:












Omari,

i concur with the ending of TNG  picard and crew playing cards was classic.  
Enterprise's finale sucked, as did DS9.  but BSG, it was horrible.  2 say that 
Starbuck was an angel?  if that was the case, y would she want 2 kill Sam when 
he was in the tub running the ship?  very un-angelic.  sorry, but it did give 
me a few answer and some questions.  what it did was gave me a hell of a LOT of 
questions, and not really good answers.  


Fate.

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer  wrote:



From: Omari Confer  


Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:30 AM






That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what happened 
but with how it happened
 
A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the 
property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
 
 
 
c w m



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:











glad that this was brought up.  here is a question, what the heck was 
STARBUCK?  i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed.  then she comes 
back . she is not one of the 5..she helps them find the 
first earth... . .she finds and burns her body 
. ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in command of the 
battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the attack on the 
hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle at the 
hub. .she then vanishes on earth... . what the frac 
was she?

that part really got me warm!

Fate.

--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:




From: Martin Baxter  

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 

Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM









Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for THIS?" as 
a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the finale were for 
the combat scenes.







-[ Received Mail Content ]--
Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
Date : Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
>From : "marian_changling" 

To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 


What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it the 
angels? 

I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending. SF 
writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve story. In 
this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve. 


I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they had 
an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same ending? I'm 
curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't. 



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote: 
> 
> Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the 
> thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they 
> left with that denouement. 

> 
> Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
-[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
> 
Subject : [scifinoir2] BSG finale 

> 
Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 - 
> 
>From : "marian_changling" 
> 
To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 

> 
> 
I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it. 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.you

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Omari Confer]

We are all in agreement that BSG finale is dissapointing

The reasons exlained in this and other threads are not satisfying.

c w m
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Augustus Augustus
wrote:

> Omari,
>
> i tend 2 disagree with u on that one.  did not make it interesting 2 me.
> made me upset, like rave, martin, and T saidtime that is now
> gone and i cannot get back.
>
> Fate.
>
> --- On *Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer * wrote:
>
>
> From: Omari Confer 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 9:23 AM
>
>   No one ever said she was an angel..thats what made it interesting.
> 
>
>  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Augustus Augustus  yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>>  Omari,
>>
>> i concur with the ending of TNG  picard and crew playing cards was
>> classic.  Enterprise's finale sucked, as did DS9.  but BSG, it was
>> horrible.  2 say that Starbuck was an angel?  if that was the case, y would
>> she want 2 kill Sam when he was in the tub running the ship?  very
>> un-angelic.  sorry, but it did give me a few answer and some questions.
>> what it did was gave me a hell of a LOT of questions, and not really good
>> answers.
>>
>> Fate.
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer > gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=clockwork...@gmail.com>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Omari Confer > gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=clockwork...@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>> To: scifino...@yahoogro 
>> ups.com<http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>
>>  Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:30 AM
>>
>>   That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what
>> happened but with how it happened
>>
>> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the
>> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
>>
>>
>>
>> c w m
>>
>>  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus > yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>  glad that this was brought up.  here is a question, what the heck
>>> was STARBUCK?  i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed.  then
>>> she comes back . she is not one of the 5..she helps
>>> them find the first earth... . .she finds and burns her
>>> body . ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in
>>> command of the battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the
>>> attack on the hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle
>>> at the hub. .she then vanishes on earth... .
>>> what the frac was she?
>>> that part really got me warm!
>>>
>>> Fate.
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter >> lycos.com<http://mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@lycos.com>
>>> >* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Martin Baxter >> lycos.com<http://mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@lycos.com>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>>> To: scifino...@yahoogro 
>>> ups.com<http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM
>>>
>>> Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for
>>> THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the
>>> finale were for the combat scenes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>>> *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>>> *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
>>> *From : *"marian_changling" 
>>> *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>>>
>>> What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was
>>> it the angels?
>>>
>>> I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.
>>> SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
>>> story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.
>>>
>>> I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least
>>> they had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same
>>> ending? I'm curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Augustus Augustus]

Omari,

i tend 2 disagree with u on that one.  did not make it interesting 2 me.  made 
me upset, like rave, martin, and T saidtime that is now gone 
and i cannot get back.

Fate.

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer  wrote:

From: Omari Confer 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 9:23 AM












No one ever said she was an angel..thats what made it 
interesting. 


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:










Omari,

i concur with the ending of TNG  picard and crew playing cards was classic.  
Enterprise's finale sucked, as did DS9.  but BSG, it was horrible.  2 say that 
Starbuck was an angel?  if that was the case, y would she want 2 kill Sam when 
he was in the tub running the ship?  very un-angelic.  sorry, but it did give 
me a few answer and some questions.  what it did was gave me a hell of a LOT of 
questions, and not really good answers.  


Fate.

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer  wrote:


From: Omari Confer  

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:30 AM






That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what happened 
but with how it happened
 
A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the 
property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
 
 
 
c w m



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:












glad that this was brought up.  here is a question, what the heck was 
STARBUCK?  i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed.  then she comes 
back . she is not one of the 5..she helps them find the 
first earth... . .she finds and burns her body 
. ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in command of the 
battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the attack on the 
hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle at the 
hub. .she then vanishes on earth... . what the frac 
was she?

that part really got me warm!

Fate.

--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:




From: Martin Baxter  

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 

Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM









Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for THIS?" as 
a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the finale were for 
the combat scenes.







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Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
Date : Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
>From : "marian_changling" 

To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 


What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it the 
angels? 

I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending. SF 
writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve story. In 
this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve. 


I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they had 
an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same ending? I'm 
curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't. 



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote: 
> 
> Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the 
> thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they 
> left with that denouement. 

> 
> Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 - 
> 
>From : "marian_changling" 
> 
To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 

> 
> 
I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it. 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds 
> 






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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Omari Confer]

No one ever said she was an angel..thats what made it interesting.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Augustus Augustus
wrote:

> Omari,
>
> i concur with the ending of TNG  picard and crew playing cards was
> classic.  Enterprise's finale sucked, as did DS9.  but BSG, it was
> horrible.  2 say that Starbuck was an angel?  if that was the case, y would
> she want 2 kill Sam when he was in the tub running the ship?  very
> un-angelic.  sorry, but it did give me a few answer and some questions.
> what it did was gave me a hell of a LOT of questions, and not really good
> answers.
>
> Fate.
>
> --- On *Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer * wrote:
>
>
> From: Omari Confer 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:30 AM
>
>   That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what
> happened but with how it happened
>
> A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the
> property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
>
>
>
> c w m
>
>  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus  yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>>  glad that this was brought up.  here is a question, what the heck
>> was STARBUCK?  i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed.  then
>> she comes back . she is not one of the 5..she helps
>> them find the first earth... . .she finds and burns her
>> body . ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in
>> command of the battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the
>> attack on the hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle
>> at the hub. .she then vanishes on earth... .
>> what the frac was she?
>> that part really got me warm!
>>
>> Fate.
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter > lycos.com<http://mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@lycos.com>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Martin Baxter > lycos.com<http://mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@lycos.com>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>> To: scifino...@yahoogro 
>> ups.com<http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM
>>
>> Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for
>> THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the
>> finale were for the combat scenes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>> *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
>> *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
>> *From : *"marian_changling" 
>> *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>>
>> What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it
>> the angels?
>>
>> I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.
>> SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
>> story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.
>>
>> I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they
>> had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same
>> ending? I'm curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.
>>
>> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:
>> >
>> > Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the
>> thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they
>> left with that denouement.
>> >
>> > Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>> >
>> Subject : [scifinoir2] BSG finale
>> >
>> Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 -
>> >
>> From : "marian_changling"
>> >
>> To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>> >
>> >
>> I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it
>> on Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on
>> TOR's site and they absolutely excoriated it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Augustus Augustus]

Martin,

truer words were never spoken (well in this case, typed.)

Fate.

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:29 AM












   Fate, I've been told repeatedly that Starbuck was an angel, 
specifically returned to lead the Fleet to Earth. Which doesn't jibe with the 
moment when she found her own body on the ruined Earth, and Leoben, who was 
with her, cringed away in horror before running away, saying that she was "an 
abomination" . As we're into baseball season, the proer analogy here would be, 
"That's an 0-and-16 count against the writers at bat..."





-[ Received Mail Content ]----------

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 05:09:38 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



glad that this was brought up.  here is a question, what the heck was 
STARBUCK?  i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed.  then she comes 
back . she is not one of the 5..she helps them find the 
first earth... . .she finds and burns her body 
. ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in command of the 
battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the attack on the 
hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle at the 
hub. .she then vanishes on earth... . what the frac 
was she?

that part really got me warm!



Fate.



--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:



From: Martin Baxter 

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM

























   Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV 
for THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the 
finale were for the combat scenes.











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 Date : Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -



 From : "marian_changling" 



 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com







What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon?  Or was it the 
angels?







I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.  SF 
writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve story.  In 
this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.







I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they had 
an excuse.  Does anyone know whether the British series had the same ending?  
I'm curious.  Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.







--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:



>



> Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the 
> thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they 
> left with that denouement.



> 



> Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)



> 



> 



> 



> 



> 



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> 



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> 



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> 



 From : "marian_changling" 



> 



 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



> 



> 



I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it.



> 



> 



> 



> 



> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds



>

















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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Augustus Augustus]

Omari,

i concur with the ending of TNG  picard and crew playing cards was classic.  
Enterprise's finale sucked, as did DS9.  but BSG, it was horrible.  2 say that 
Starbuck was an angel?  if that was the case, y would she want 2 kill Sam when 
he was in the tub running the ship?  very un-angelic.  sorry, but it did give 
me a few answer and some questions.  what it did was gave me a hell of a LOT of 
questions, and not really good answers.  

Fate.

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Omari Confer  wrote:

From: Omari Confer 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:30 AM












That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with 
what happened but with how it happened
 
A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions... leaving the 
property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...
 
 
 
c w m


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:










glad that this was brought up.  here is a question, what the heck was 
STARBUCK?  i mean, she dies her viper is destroyed.  then she comes 
back . she is not one of the 5..she helps them find the 
first earth... . .she finds and burns her body 
. ..she fights with apollo on getting adama back in command of the 
battlestar after the mutiny.. she helps plan the attack on the 
hub. . .she fights her butt off in the battle at the 
hub. .she then vanishes on earth... . what the frac 
was she?

that part really got me warm!

Fate.

--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:


From: Martin Baxter  

Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM









Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for THIS?" as 
a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the finale were for 
the combat scenes.







-[ Received Mail Content ]--
Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
Date : Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
>From : "marian_changling" 

To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 


What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it the 
angels? 

I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending. SF 
writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve story. In 
this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve. 


I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they had 
an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same ending? I'm 
curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't. 



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote: 
> 
> Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the 
> thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they 
> left with that denouement. 

> 
> Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
-[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
> 
Subject : [scifinoir2] BSG finale 

> 
Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 - 
> 
>From : "marian_changling" 
> 
To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 

> 
> 
I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it. 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds 
> 






http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds 





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http://www.stringth eory.mypodcast. com


 

  




 

















  

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Omari Confer]

That was the best part of the finale.The issue was not with what
happened but with how it happened

A great genre finale gives you answers and a few questions...leaving the
property to live beyond the series (Picard and crew playing cards)...



c w m

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Augustus Augustus
wrote:

> glad that this was brought up.  here is a question, what the heck was
> STARBUCK?  i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed.  then she
> comes back.she is not one of the 5..she helps them
> find the first earth.she finds and burns her
> body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in
> command of the battlestar after the mutiny..she helps plan the
> attack on the hub...she fights her butt off in the battle at
> the hub..she then vanishes on earthwhat the
> frac was she?
> that part really got me warm!
>
> Fate.
>
> --- On *Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:
>
>
> From: Martin Baxter 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM
>
> Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for
> THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the
> finale were for the combat scenes.
>
>
>
>
>  -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> *Subject : *Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
> *Date : *Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -
> *From : *"marian_changling" 
> *To : *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>
> What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it
> the angels?
>
> I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.
> SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
> story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.
>
> I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they
> had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same
> ending? I'm curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.
>
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:
> >
> > Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the
> thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they
> left with that denouement.
> >
> > Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> Subject : [scifinoir2] BSG finale
> >
> Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 -
> >
> From : "marian_changling"
> >
> To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >
> >
> I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it
> on Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on
> TOR's site and they absolutely excoriated it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
>
>
> 
>



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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Fate, I've been told repeatedly that Starbuck was an angel, specifically 
returned to lead the Fleet to Earth. Which doesn't jibe with the moment when 
she found her own body on the ruined Earth, and Leoben, who was with her, 
cringed away in horror before running away, saying that she was "an 
abomination". As we're into baseball season, the proer analogy here would be, 
"That's an 0-and-16 count against the writers at bat..."





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Tue, 7 Apr 2009 05:09:38 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


glad that this was brought up.  here is a question, what the heck was STARBUCK? 
 i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed.  then she comes 
back.she is not one of the 5..she helps them find the 
first earth.she finds and burns her 
body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in command 
of the battlestar after the mutiny..she helps plan the attack on the 
hub...she fights her butt off in the battle at the 
hub..she then vanishes on earthwhat the frac 
was she?
that part really got me warm!

Fate.

--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM











 
 Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for THIS?" as 
a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the finale were for 
the combat scenes.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -

 From : "marian_changling" 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it the 
angels?



I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending. SF 
writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve story. In 
this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.



I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they had 
an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same ending? I'm 
curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:

>

> Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the 
> thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they 
> left with that denouement.

> 

> Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

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> 

 Subject : [scifinoir2] BSG finale

> 

 Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 -

> 

 From : "marian_changling" 

> 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> 

> 

I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds

>








http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds



 

 

 
 

 

















 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Augustus Augustus]

glad that this was brought up.  here is a question, what the heck was 
STARBUCK?  i mean, she diesher viper is destroyed.  then she comes 
back.she is not one of the 5..she helps them find the 
first earth.she finds and burns her 
body...she fights with apollo on getting adama back in command 
of the battlestar after the mutiny..she helps plan the attack on the 
hub...she fights her butt off in the battle at the 
hub..she then vanishes on earthwhat the frac 
was she?
that part really got me warm!

Fate.

--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:35 PM












   Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV 
for THIS?" as a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the 
finale were for the combat scenes.





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

 Date : Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:39:32 -

 From : "marian_changling" 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon?  Or was it the 
angels?



I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.  SF 
writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve story.  In 
this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.



I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they had 
an excuse.  Does anyone know whether the British series had the same ending?  
I'm curious.  Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:

>

> Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the 
> thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they 
> left with that denouement.

> 

> Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

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> 

 Subject : [scifinoir2] BSG finale

> 

 Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 -

> 

 From : "marian_changling" 

> 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> 

> 

I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds

>








http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds



 

  




 

















  

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

The folks behind the American version made it a point to end it differently. I 
read that much in another of my groups. Strangely, thinking on it now, no one 
there has commented a word about the end of it, good or bad. Makes me wonder if 
they're in a similar moment of rage as we are here with BG, disgusted with the 
ending. I'll have to raise the spectre in a few when I make it over there.





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 From : "Tracey de Morsella" 

 To : 


I did not see , it but the British series had a very different ending. I've
heard fans of both shows say that they were both mind...@#s

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What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it
the angels?

I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.
SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
story. In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.

I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they
had an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same
ending? I'm curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.

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wrote:
>
> Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the
thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they
left with that denouement.
> 
> Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)
> 
> 
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> 
I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's
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Re: [scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Bosco, your last is a sentiment I can easily get behind. And the really scary 
thing in this is that RDM did such fantastic work on DS9. Maybe that was his 
zenith, and we're sitting witness to his nadir.





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I was infuriated by the ending. The finale destroyed the show for me. I usually 
will watch a show I love repeatedly on DVD but I will never ever watch a BSG 
episode ever again. There are myriad things that I found wrong, objectionable, 
questionable etc. The BSG Finale has now replaced the Matrix for the most hated 
Sci-Fi on my list. 

I can't even really have a civilized discussion of my contempt for the writers 
of BSG. At this point, I'm boycotting all of their future work in advance.

Bosco
--- On Sun, 4/5/09, marian_changling  wrote:

From: marian_changling 
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 6:48 PM











 
 I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it.




 

 

 
 

 

















 


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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Marian, it seems to have been pretty much "they crapped up my TV for THIS?" as 
a summation of feelings. The only good marks I've seen for the finale were for 
the combat scenes.





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 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon? Or was it the 
angels?

I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending. SF 
writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve story. In 
this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.

I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they had 
an excuse. Does anyone know whether the British series had the same ending? I'm 
curious. Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the 
> thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they 
> left with that denouement.
> 
> Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>





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Re: [scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Bosco Bosco]

I was infuriated by the ending. The finale destroyed the show for me. I usually 
will watch a show I love repeatedly on DVD but I will never ever watch a BSG 
episode ever again. There are myriad things that I found wrong, objectionable, 
questionable etc. The BSG Finale has now replaced the Matrix for the most hated 
Sci-Fi on my list. 

I can't even really have a civilized discussion of my contempt for the writers 
of BSG. At this point, I'm boycotting all of their future work in advance.

Bosco
--- On Sun, 4/5/09, marian_changling  wrote:

From: marian_changling 
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 6:48 PM












I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired.  I 
watched it on Hulu, but I was curious what others thought.  I read the 
Roundtable on TOR's site and they absolutely excoriated it.




 

  




 

















  

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Tracey de Morsella]

I did not see , it but the British series had a very different ending.  I've
heard fans of both shows say that they were both mind...@#s

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Behalf Of marian_changling
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:40 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon?  Or was it
the angels?

I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.
SF writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve
story.  In this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.

I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they
had an excuse.  Does anyone know whether the British series had the same
ending?  I'm curious.  Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter" 
wrote:
>
> Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the
thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they
left with that denouement.
> 
> Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's
site and they absolutely excoriated it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[marian_changling]

What you mean people don't like hearing that they're part Cylon?  Or was it the 
angels?

I was disappointed to find that they went with such a predictable ending.  SF 
writers used to joke that everyone's first story was an Adam and eve story.  In 
this case, they dispensed with Adam and only gave us Eve.

I was also disappointed with the ending of Life on Mars, but at least they had 
an excuse.  Does anyone know whether the British series had the same ending?  
I'm curious.  Since it has a sequel, I suspect that it didn't.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the 
> thirty-one minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they 
> left with that denouement.
> 
> Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
 Date : Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:48:26 -
> 
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> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

[RE][scifinoir2] BSG finale

[Martin Baxter]

Marian, that's pretty much all of us as well. I still want back the thirty-one 
minutes of my life I wasted watching them sweep up the mess they left with that 
denouement.

Folks, please don't throw things at Marian. She doesn't know, okay? ;-)





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I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired. I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought. I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

[scifinoir2] BSG finale

[marian_changling]

I was out of country when the last Battlestar episode aired.  I watched it on 
Hulu, but I was curious what others thought.  I read the Roundtable on TOR's 
site and they absolutely excoriated it.

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG

[Bosco Bosco]

I DVR'd it and watched it just a bit ago. I think this show is going to go out 
in a blaze of glory. I keep thinking it's they're doing their best work.

B

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote:

From: Augustus Augustus 
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG
To: "Sci Fi" 
Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 2:33 PM












is it me or was BSG from last night over the top! . 
. in a good way that is.  alot of intrigue and a lot of killing.  i 
knew zarek was a snake, but the way he manipulated geata was classic!  hate so 
many had 2 die, but it was an hour of good fun.   still want 2 know what is up 
with starbuck.  if saul's wife is the 5th cylon, then who was it in the viper 
when they got 2 earth and what is starbuck now?  wish adama had killed zarek 
slowly.  very slowly.  made him beg.  it wold have been too good 4 him, but i 
would have enjoyed it.  this man just shot dead the quorum.  i kept looking at 
his facial expressions during the show and i could see that he was scared of 
adama and what might happen if he did not kill him quick. in all, a good ep 2 
me.



  
 

  



   
  


 

















  

[RE][scifinoir2] BSG

[Martin Baxter]

Oh, yes.

A couple of weeks ago, I was very unhappy with the course of the writing. I 
felt as though they just weren't trying. The mutiny arc restored my faith in 
it. *Loved* Gaeta's last words.

"It doesn't hurt anymore..."





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is it me or was BSG from last night over the top!..in a 
good way that is.  alot of intrigue and a lot of killing.  i knew zarek was a 
snake, but the way he manipulated geata was classic!  hate so many had 2 die, 
but it was an hour of good fun.   still want 2 know what is up with starbuck.  
if saul's wife is the 5th cylon, then who was it in the viper when they got 2 
earth and what is starbuck now?  wish adama had killed zarek slowly.  very 
slowly.  made him beg.  it wold have been too good 4 him, but i would have 
enjoyed it.  this man just shot dead the quorum.  i kept looking at his facial 
expressions during the show and i could see that he was scared of adama and 
what might happen if he did not kill him quick. in all, a good ep 2 me.



 


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[scifinoir2] BSG

[Augustus Augustus]

is it me or was BSG from last night over the top!..in a 
good way that is.  alot of intrigue and a lot of killing.  i knew zarek was a 
snake, but the way he manipulated geata was classic!  hate so many had 2 die, 
but it was an hour of good fun.   still want 2 know what is up with starbuck.  
if saul's wife is the 5th cylon, then who was it in the viper when they got 2 
earth and what is starbuck now?  wish adama had killed zarek slowly.  very 
slowly.  made him beg.  it wold have been too good 4 him, but i would have 
enjoyed it.  this man just shot dead the quorum.  i kept looking at his facial 
expressions during the show and i could see that he was scared of adama and 
what might happen if he did not kill him quick. in all, a good ep 2 me.



  

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG - If you have not seen the 1st ep, do not read this!

[Augustus Augustus]

Daryle,

i hate 2 say that i agree with u.  it started off as a killer show, but then we 
got into the cylons hiding amongst us.  it was kool with just the cylons trying 
2 destroy or either enslave the human race.  the survivors trying 2 find the 
13th colony so that 1) they would have help in fighting the cylons, and 2) it 
would be more than just 39,000 humans in the universe left.  that would have 
been fun.with a little bit of duality thrown in the mix.  baltar would have 
been perfect 2 be secretly helping the cylons (kind of like the orginal 
Baltar).  just my opinion.

--- On Mon, 1/19/09, Daryle Lockhart  wrote:
From: Daryle Lockhart 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG - If you have not seen the 1st ep, do not read 
this!
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 3:47 PM












answer:  because otherwise,  you can't sell "Caprica"!
I'm sorry folks,  as I've said before, I've hung in there with this show, but 
for me,  it died with Dee.
Unless they find a way to  do  a "Galactica 1980"  and have them try to  fit in 
on earth...basically,  unless this turns into a new show -- I'm out. I'll catch 
up  on episodes on hulu as I watch  Monk and Burn Notice,  but man...this show 
has jumped the shark...centons ago.
On Jan 19, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Augustus Augustus wrote:

o.k. here are my observations of this pass Friday nights ep.  if i missed 
something, please let me know.
- number 1:  from what they are saying.. ..we (terrains) left Caprica 3,500 
years ago to settle on Earth.  but, we were Cylons.  now, if that is the 
case...and we were human looking, then why from the first season that when 
Number 6 was discovered to be a Cylon, they were surprised at the 'skin jobs'?  
if we were skin jobs when we left, they why was it such a surprise?
- number 2:  aboud BSC when they brought the remains up from the planet and had 
the little briefing, why did Xena (i just like Lucy from then) say that they 
did not recognize the centurions when if memory serves...the very first show 
they showed Adama walking through the hanger bay when they were getting ready 2 
moth ball Galactica and there was a centurion (By You Command type...and i miss 
them too) standing in the museum wing of the hanger? 
- number 3:  even when Six was talking to Baltar after nuking of Caprica he 
even asked about the old centurions and she said "they still have a function."

so y now try 2 change the mythology that you set up in the very beginning?  
also, i am a little disappoint that Earth is dead.  them coming 2 Earth and 
metting with the lost tribe would have been such an interesting meeting of 
cultures.

Fate.  


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[Martin Baxter]

Fate,

After several minutes of careful consideration, I come to the following 
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The writers gave up mid-Season 2.





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o.k. here are my observations of this pass Friday nights ep.  if i missed 
something, please let me know.
- number 1:  from what they are sayingwe (terrains) left Caprica 3,500 
years ago to settle on Earth.  but, we were Cylons.  now, if that is the 
case...and we were human looking, then why from the first season that when 
Number 6 was discovered to be a Cylon, they were surprised at the 'skin jobs'?  
if we were skin jobs when we left, they why was it such a surprise?
- number 2:  aboud BSC when they brought the remains up from the planet and had 
the little briefing, why did Xena (i just like Lucy from then) say that they 
did not recognize the centurions when if memory serves...the very first show 
they showed Adama walking through the hanger bay when they were getting ready 2 
moth ball Galactica and there was a centurion (By You Command type...and i miss 
them too) standing in the museum wing of the hanger? 
- number 3:  even when Six was talking to Baltar after nuking of Caprica he 
even asked about the old centurions and she said "they still have a function."

so y now try 2 change the mythology that you set up in the very beginning?  
also, i am a little disappoint that Earth is dead.  them coming 2 Earth and 
metting with the lost tribe would have been such an interesting meeting of 
cultures.

Fate.  


 
 
 
 
 
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answer:  because otherwise,  you can't sell "Caprica"!

I'm sorry folks,  as I've said before, I've hung in there with this  
show, but for me,  it died with Dee.


Unless they find a way to  do  a "Galactica 1980"  and have them try  
to  fit in on earth...basically,  unless this turns into a new show  
-- I'm out. I'll catch up  on episodes on hulu as I watch  Monk and  
Burn Notice,  but man...this show has jumped the shark...centons ago.


On Jan 19, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Augustus Augustus wrote:



o.k. here are my observations of this pass Friday nights ep.  if i  
missed something, please let me know.
- number 1:  from what they are sayingwe (terrains) left  
Caprica 3,500 years ago to settle on Earth.  but, we were Cylons.   
now, if that is the case...and we were human looking, then why from  
the first season that when Number 6 was discovered to be a Cylon,  
they were surprised at the 'skin jobs'?  if we were skin jobs when  
we left, they why was it such a surprise?
- number 2:  aboud BSC when they brought the remains up from the  
planet and had the little briefing, why did Xena (i just like Lucy  
from then) say that they did not recognize the centurions when if  
memory serves...the very first show they showed Adama walking  
through the hanger bay when they were getting ready 2 moth ball  
Galactica and there was a centurion (By You Command type...and i  
miss them too) standing in the museum wing of the hanger?
- number 3:  even when Six was talking to Baltar after nuking of  
Caprica he even asked about the old centurions and she said "they  
still have a function."


so y now try 2 change the mythology that you set up in the very  
beginning?  also, i am a little disappoint that Earth is dead.   
them coming 2 Earth and metting with the lost tribe would have been  
such an interesting meeting of cultures.


Fate.


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[Augustus Augustus]

o.k. here are my observations of this pass Friday nights ep.  if i missed 
something, please let me know.
- number 1:  from what they are sayingwe (terrains) left Caprica 3,500 
years ago to settle on Earth.  but, we were Cylons.  now, if that is the 
case...and we were human looking, then why from the first season that when 
Number 6 was discovered to be a Cylon, they were surprised at the 'skin jobs'?  
if we were skin jobs when we left, they why was it such a surprise?
- number 2:  aboud BSC when they brought the remains up from the planet and had 
the little briefing, why did Xena (i just like Lucy from then) say that they 
did not recognize the centurions when if memory serves...the very first show 
they showed Adama walking through the hanger bay when they were getting ready 2 
moth ball Galactica and there was a centurion (By You Command type...and i miss 
them too) standing in the museum wing of the hanger? 
- number 3:  even when Six was talking to Baltar after nuking of Caprica he 
even asked about the old centurions and she said "they still have a function."

so y now try 2 change the mythology that you set up in the very beginning?  
also, i am a little disappoint that Earth is dead.  them coming 2 Earth and 
metting with the lost tribe would have been such an interesting meeting of 
cultures.

Fate.  



   



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Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Not One Comment?? No Spoilers

[Justin Mohareb]

It was like getting punched in the stomach before each commercial
break.  I don't know if that's craftsmanship or just manipulation, but
I'lll be back next week.

Justin

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
> Hey People
>
> I've been working two jobs in the crushing economy to make ends meet. That
> said, I set aside this weekend to get up to speed on BSG. I DVR'd the whole
> BSG marathon on Friday and got caught up over the weekend. I'm curious if
> anyone else even noticed it was on.
>
> My frakin head is spinning. I can't believe what they've done. I'm still
> digesting but that show may be one of the best single episodes of Sci-fi TV
> I have ever seen, SERIOUSLY.
>
> Any one else??
>
> B
>
> 



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[RE][scifinoir2] BSG Not One Comment?? No Spoilers

[Martin Baxter]

Hate to harsh your buzz, Bosco, but it really left me cold. I'm still not sold 
on that ending. But I am keen for this week's ep.





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Hey People

I've been working two jobs in the crushing economy to make ends meet. That 
said, I set aside this weekend to get up to speed on BSG. I DVR'd the whole BSG 
marathon on Friday and got caught up over the weekend. I'm curious if anyone 
else even noticed it was on.

My frakin head is spinning. I can't believe what they've done. I'm still 
digesting but that show may be one of the best single episodes of Sci-fi TV I 
have ever seen, SERIOUSLY.

Any one else??

B


 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

[scifinoir2] BSG Not One Comment?? No Spoilers

[Bosco Bosco]

Hey People

I've been working two jobs in the crushing economy to make ends meet. That 
said, I set aside this weekend to get up to speed on BSG. I DVR'd the whole BSG 
marathon on Friday and got caught up over the weekend. I'm curious if anyone 
else even noticed it was on.

My frakin head is spinning. I can't believe what they've done. I'm still 
digesting but that show may be one of the best single episodes of Sci-fi TV I 
have ever seen, SERIOUSLY.

Any one else??

B


  

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Season 4 Question

[Bosco Bosco]

Thank you.

I have been too busy to watch this week anyway.

Bosco


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> From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Season 4 Question
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 6:13 PM
> I have yet to find a 'legal' p,lace, Bosco...
> 
> “I am me,” said the stranger, “and I work for the
> ones who pay my fee...and that's not you."
> - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie
> 
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> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG Season 4 Question
> To: "Sci Fi Noir"
> 
> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:43 AM
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> 
> Does anyone know if all of the Season 4 episodes show thus
> far can be viewed online? Not being one to fear admitting
> ignorance, I am having trouble navigating the Sci-fi
> channel page
> 
> thanks
> 
> Bosco
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Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Season 4 Question

[Martin]

Try this one.
 
http://tv.vidsvilla.com/category/battlestar-galactica

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Season 4 Question
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 3:51 PM






Forget that. Just back-checked, and the site's down entirely. I'll poke around 
for you.

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Martin  wrote:

From: Martin 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Season 4 Question
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 3:50 PM

Bosco, a few weeks ago, all of the S4 eps were up at this site. They were 
pulled, put back, pulled again, put back again. I offer the site, hope the best 
for you.
 
http://www.useyourc omputer.com
 

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote:

From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG Season 4 Question
To: "Sci Fi Noir" 
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 11:43 AM

Does anyone know if all of the Season 4 episodes show thus far can be viewed 
online? Not being one to fear admitting ignorance, I am having trouble 
navigating the Sci-fi channel page

thanks

Bosco

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[Martin]

Forget that. Just back-checked, and the site's down entirely. I'll poke around 
for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Season 4 Question
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 3:50 PM






Bosco, a few weeks ago, all of the S4 eps were up at this site. They were 
pulled, put back, pulled again, put back again. I offer the site, hope the best 
for you.
 
http://www.useyourc omputer.com
 

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote:

From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG Season 4 Question
To: "Sci Fi Noir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 11:43 AM

Does anyone know if all of the Season 4 episodes show thus far can be viewed 
online? Not being one to fear admitting ignorance, I am having trouble 
navigating the Sci-fi channel page

thanks

Bosco

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[Bosco Bosco]

I do that as well but I just used browser tabs and pause a lot.

B

--- On Mon, 6/2/08, Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] BSG
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 1:50 AM











Thanks



I don't like watching on my computer, because I like to look up stuff

sometimes at the same time



-Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On

Behalf Of Bosco Bosco

Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 10:10 PM

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] BSG



Tracey



You can watch all of this season on ABC.com I am not sure how long it will

stay up though.



B



--- On Sun, 6/1/08, Tracey de Morsella

&lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] aladvantage. com&gt; wrote:

From: Tracey de Morsella &lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] aladvantage. com&gt;

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] BSG

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com

Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 10:07 PM



No way.  I'm totally lovin it, but pissed they are likely to

make us wait a



full year to see the last 10 episodes.  How about you?



Lost, I missed two whole seasons while in Mexico,and have only gotten



through season 2, so I cannot say anything about it



-Original Message-



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com] On



Behalf Of marian_changling



Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:05 PM



To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com



Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG



Nu?  So we discussed Andromeda and Doctor Who.  I haven't heard anyone



mention BSG.  Have you'all lost interest?  



I won't even bring up "Lost".  



--marian--



Too much of a good thing is wonderful.



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[Martin]

I've only watched Lost once, and it failed to hook me, so it's not even on my 
radar. As for BG (I call it that because, in title, it's Battlestar Galactica, 
ergo BG), it has me by moments. Frankly, I only see the beginning because it 
follows the end of DW, and I'm too far up on the high to change the channel. 
This past ep, though interesting in places, was really disjointed overall, IMO. 
I know al too well tha tlove can twist every one of your thought processes, but 
I just have trouble seeing a hardcore soldier like the Admiral going that far 
off the deep end for Roslin. Again I say- I'm glad it's ending.

Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been 
afraid to discuss Lost because I don't want to give away anything. I am 
watching BSG on DVD but I am not yet into season 3 which is in my queue for 
next week. I am watching Andromeda Strain tomorrow on my girl's DVR
 
 B
 
 --- On Sun, 6/1/08, marian_changling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 From: marian_changling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 10:04 PM
 
 Nu?  So we discussed Andromeda and Doctor Who.  I haven't heard anyone
 
 mention BSG.  Have you'all lost interest?  
 
 I won't even bring up "Lost".  
 
 --marian--
 
 Too much of a good thing is wonderful.
 
 Mae West
 
 US movie actress (1892 - 1980)
 
  
   
  
  
 
  
 
  
  
 
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"There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get 
organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
Country"
   

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RE: [scifinoir2] BSG

[Tracey de Morsella]

Thanks

I don't like watching on my computer, because I like to look up stuff
sometimes at the same time

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bosco Bosco
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 10:10 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] BSG

Tracey

You can watch all of this season on ABC.com I am not sure how long it will
stay up though.

B

--- On Sun, 6/1/08, Tracey de Morsella
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] BSG
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 10:07 PM











No way.  I'm totally lovin it, but pissed they are likely to
make us wait a

full year to see the last 10 episodes.  How about you?



Lost, I missed two whole seasons while in Mexico,and have only gotten

through season 2, so I cannot say anything about it



-Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On

Behalf Of marian_changling

Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:05 PM

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG



Nu?  So we discussed Andromeda and Doctor Who.  I haven't heard anyone

mention BSG.  Have you'all lost interest?  



I won't even bring up "Lost".  



--marian--



Too much of a good thing is wonderful.

Mae West

US movie actress (1892 - 1980)



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[Bosco Bosco]

Tracey

You can watch all of this season on ABC.com I am not sure how long it will stay 
up though.

B

--- On Sun, 6/1/08, Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] BSG
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 10:07 PM











No way.  I'm totally lovin it, but pissed they are likely to make 
us wait a

full year to see the last 10 episodes.  How about you?



Lost, I missed two whole seasons while in Mexico,and have only gotten

through season 2, so I cannot say anything about it



-Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On

Behalf Of marian_changling

Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:05 PM

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG



Nu?  So we discussed Andromeda and Doctor Who.  I haven't heard anyone

mention BSG.  Have you'all lost interest?  



I won't even bring up "Lost".  



--marian--



Too much of a good thing is wonderful.

Mae West

US movie actress (1892 - 1980)



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Yahoo! Groups Links




  




 

















  

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Re: [scifinoir2] BSG

[Bosco Bosco]

I've been afraid to discuss Lost because I don't want to give away anything. I 
am watching BSG on DVD but I am not yet into season 3 which is in my queue for 
next week. I am watching Andromeda Strain tomorrow on my girl's DVR

B

--- On Sun, 6/1/08, marian_changling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: marian_changling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 10:04 PM











Nu?  So we discussed Andromeda and Doctor Who.  I haven't heard 
anyone

mention BSG.  Have you'all lost interest?  



I won't even bring up "Lost".  



--marian--



Too much of a good thing is wonderful.

Mae West

US movie actress (1892 - 1980)




  




 

















  

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RE: [scifinoir2] BSG

[Tracey de Morsella]

No way.  I'm totally lovin it, but pissed they are likely to make us wait a
full year to see the last 10 episodes.  How about you?

Lost, I missed two whole seasons while in Mexico,and have only gotten
through season 2, so I cannot say anything about it

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of marian_changling
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:05 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG

Nu?  So we discussed Andromeda and Doctor Who.  I haven't heard anyone
mention BSG.  Have you'all lost interest?  

I won't even bring up "Lost".  

--marian--








Too much of a good thing is wonderful.
Mae West
US movie actress (1892 - 1980)






Yahoo! Groups Links

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Update Personal

[Martin]

That's where my "threatened manhood" thought comes in. Brooks *is* one manly 
man, you gotta admit that.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously? Why would 
Berman have wanted to write Brooks out of the series???
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 That's just my impression, sort of.
 
 It stems from one of the eps, "Defiant", I believe it was called, in which 
Johnathon Frakes showed up at the station as Tom Riker, pretending to be his 
transporter clone Will, ans stealing Defiant in order to conduct a raid deep 
into Cardassian territory against a secret Obsidian Order ship factory. Berman 
reportedly brought Frakes in in the hopes that he would be able to write the 
Tom Riker character into DSNine and Avery Brooks out. He didn't count on Frakes 
and Brooks becoming friends.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: amen! I hated the device of a Black man abandoning 
his wife and unborn child. I hated that, especially that line he said, 
something like "I may be back tomorrow, I may be back yesterday". I thought it 
was out of character for Benjamin to be so flip and relaxed about leaving! He 
literally go go off and train for a month, then pop back into our universe only 
an hour or so after leaving--or just seconds. With temporal abilities there's 
no need for him to be gone. I read a couple of DS9 books taking place just 
after these events and Cassidy was really missing Ben. Hated that plot.
 
 what's up with Berman's manhood feelig threatened?
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 Regarding "What You Leave Behind"? Only that Paramount went on to push out how 
many TNG movies, and now over-hyping the reboot, when the biggest loose string 
in TV history, Captain Sisko's becoming a Prophet-in-training, goes unexplored 
because Rick Berman's manhood feels threatened?
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please do elaborate!
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 When both shows began, I watched both equally, fully expecting DSNine to be 
the failure of the bunch because it was, IMO, *limited* by the constraints of 
the Trekverse (the stories could only do so much because there was so much 
continuity that had to be adhered to), while B5 was freer to roam. Both did 
come out slow, but many series do come out of the gate plodding. Each ended 
spectacularly, B5 marred only by its perpetuation in those really horrific 
movies (I didn't mind Crusade at all, unlike many B5 aficionados I knew at the 
time), DSNine marred by- well, we all know about 'What You Leave Behind", and I 
don't want to cause undue emotional scarring...
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B5 season one is more interesting in the main than 
DS9's season one. It starts out a little rough, but as the mythos, cabals, 
conspiracies, and whispering of the Shadows starts, it becomes engaging. A few 
rough eps, but overall very good, and most of all intriguing enough to make you 
come back for the next season (great last ep). DS9 is--competent. It's like 
"Voyager", which had a good cast, professional writing, and an overal 
workmanlike feel, but wasn't very special. The early couple of seasons of DS9 
really just felt like another Star Trek show with kinda familiar scripts, 
predictable plots, simple one-hour resolution of problems. I can look at some 
of those old eps and easily finish a character's sentences for him, because 
they're so canned (and really do this with "Voyager"). 
 
 It wasn't until B&B spent less time with DS9 and others like Ronald Moore and 
Steven Behr got more influence that it took off. That's when the Dominion War 
came on, Sisko started exploring his role as the Emissary (and got the bald 
head and beard back!), Cardassia was brought forward as a major player, etc. It 
then became a complex show, full of long story arcs that lasted in some cases 
years, charcters full of flaws and heroism, action, angst, as well as plenty of 
humour. it then became, in my opinion, the best of all the Trek series.
 
 Is B5 better overall? I don't like to compare the two, despite the charges 
that DS9 stole JMS' ideas from his early pitch to Paramount. B5 is a little 
rougher, grittier at times, a bit more steeped in mysticism and legend. JMS' 
writing works better for long arcs and dramatic moments than for every day 
dialogue and standalone shows, which is where the Trek writers had it down pat. 
B5 reminds me more of reading stories from the Bible or from the Silmarillion, 
where you got broad sweeping concepts. I think each show is excellent, each has 
its place, and we're better for having had both of them. Giving a choice, I'd 
choose owning all DS9 shows over all B5 shows, but that's only if *forced* to 
make a choice, someting I'd not want to do.
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 Finished Season 1 with the last disc from netflix las

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Update Personal

[KeithBJohnson]

Seriously? Why would Berman have wanted to write Brooks out of the series???

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
That's just my impression, sort of.

It stems from one of the eps, "Defiant", I believe it was called, in which 
Johnathon Frakes showed up at the station as Tom Riker, pretending to be his 
transporter clone Will, ans stealing Defiant in order to conduct a raid deep 
into Cardassian territory against a secret Obsidian Order ship factory. Berman 
reportedly brought Frakes in in the hopes that he would be able to write the 
Tom Riker character into DSNine and Avery Brooks out. He didn't count on Frakes 
and Brooks becoming friends.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: amen! I hated the device of a Black man abandoning his 
wife and unborn child. I hated that, especially that line he said, something 
like "I may be back tomorrow, I may be back yesterday". I thought it was out of 
character for Benjamin to be so flip and relaxed about leaving! He literally go 
go off and train for a month, then pop back into our universe only an hour or 
so after leaving--or just seconds. With temporal abilities there's no need for 
him to be gone. I read a couple of DS9 books taking place just after these 
events and Cassidy was really missing Ben. Hated that plot.

what's up with Berman's manhood feelig threatened?

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Regarding "What You Leave Behind"? Only that Paramount went on to push out how 
many TNG movies, and now over-hyping the reboot, when the biggest loose string 
in TV history, Captain Sisko's becoming a Prophet-in-training, goes unexplored 
because Rick Berman's manhood feels threatened?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please do elaborate!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
When both shows began, I watched both equally, fully expecting DSNine to be the 
failure of the bunch because it was, IMO, *limited* by the constraints of the 
Trekverse (the stories could only do so much because there was so much 
continuity that had to be adhered to), while B5 was freer to roam. Both did 
come out slow, but many series do come out of the gate plodding. Each ended 
spectacularly, B5 marred only by its perpetuation in those really horrific 
movies (I didn't mind Crusade at all, unlike many B5 aficionados I knew at the 
time), DSNine marred by- well, we all know about 'What You Leave Behind", and I 
don't want to cause undue emotional scarring...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B5 season one is more interesting in the main than 
DS9's season one. It starts out a little rough, but as the mythos, cabals, 
conspiracies, and whispering of the Shadows starts, it becomes engaging. A few 
rough eps, but overall very good, and most of all intriguing enough to make you 
come back for the next season (great last ep). DS9 is--competent. It's like 
"Voyager", which had a good cast, professional writing, and an overal 
workmanlike feel, but wasn't very special. The early couple of seasons of DS9 
really just felt like another Star Trek show with kinda familiar scripts, 
predictable plots, simple one-hour resolution of problems. I can look at some 
of those old eps and easily finish a character's sentences for him, because 
they're so canned (and really do this with "Voyager"). 

It wasn't until B&B spent less time with DS9 and others like Ronald Moore and 
Steven Behr got more influence that it took off. That's when the Dominion War 
came on, Sisko started exploring his role as the Emissary (and got the bald 
head and beard back!), Cardassia was brought forward as a major player, etc. It 
then became a complex show, full of long story arcs that lasted in some cases 
years, charcters full of flaws and heroism, action, angst, as well as plenty of 
humour. it then became, in my opinion, the best of all the Trek series.

Is B5 better overall? I don't like to compare the two, despite the charges that 
DS9 stole JMS' ideas from his early pitch to Paramount. B5 is a little rougher, 
grittier at times, a bit more steeped in mysticism and legend. JMS' writing 
works better for long arcs and dramatic moments than for every day dialogue and 
standalone shows, which is where the Trek writers had it down pat. B5 reminds 
me more of reading stories from the Bible or from the Silmarillion, where you 
got broad sweeping concepts. I think each show is excellent, each has its 
place, and we're better for having had both of them. Giving a choice, I'd 
choose owning all DS9 shows over all B5 shows, but that's only if *forced* to 
make a choice, someting I'd not want to do.

-- Original message -- 
From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Finished Season 1 with the last disc from netflix last night. The end
actually worked out well enough for me to add Season 2 to my queue.
It will be a while though as I have, Zodiac, The William Gibson
documentary, Several seasons of The Wire 

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Update Personal

[Martin]

That's just my impression, sort of.

It stems from one of the eps, "Defiant", I believe it was called, in which 
Johnathon Frakes showed up at the station as Tom Riker, pretending to be his 
transporter clone Will, ans stealing Defiant in order to conduct a raid deep 
into Cardassian territory against a secret Obsidian Order ship factory. Berman 
reportedly brought Frakes in in the hopes that he would be able to write the 
Tom Riker character into DSNine and Avery Brooks out. He didn't count on Frakes 
and Brooks becoming friends.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: amen! I hated the device 
of a Black man abandoning his wife and unborn child. I hated that, especially 
that line he said, something like "I may be back tomorrow, I may be back 
yesterday". I thought it was out of character for Benjamin to be so flip and 
relaxed about leaving! He literally go go off and train for a month, then pop 
back into our universe only an hour or so after leaving--or just seconds.  With 
temporal abilities there's no need for him to be gone. I read a couple of DS9 
books taking place just after these events and Cassidy was really missing Ben.  
Hated that plot.
 
 what's up with Berman's manhood feelig threatened?
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 Regarding "What You Leave Behind"? Only that Paramount went on to push out how 
many TNG movies, and now over-hyping the reboot, when the biggest loose string 
in TV history, Captain Sisko's becoming a Prophet-in-training, goes unexplored 
because Rick Berman's manhood feels threatened?
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please do elaborate!
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 When both shows began, I watched both equally, fully expecting DSNine to be 
the failure of the bunch because it was, IMO, *limited* by the constraints of 
the Trekverse (the stories could only do so much because there was so much 
continuity that had to be adhered to), while B5 was freer to roam. Both did 
come out slow, but many series do come out of the gate plodding. Each ended 
spectacularly, B5 marred only by its perpetuation in those really horrific 
movies (I didn't mind Crusade at all, unlike many B5 aficionados I knew at the 
time), DSNine marred by- well, we all know about 'What You Leave Behind", and I 
don't want to cause undue emotional scarring...
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B5 season one is more interesting in the main than 
DS9's season one. It starts out a little rough, but as the mythos, cabals, 
conspiracies, and whispering of the Shadows starts, it becomes engaging. A few 
rough eps, but overall very good, and most of all intriguing enough to make you 
come back for the next season (great last ep). DS9 is--competent. It's like 
"Voyager", which had a good cast, professional writing, and an overal 
workmanlike feel, but wasn't very special. The early couple of seasons of DS9 
really just felt like another Star Trek show with kinda familiar scripts, 
predictable plots, simple one-hour resolution of problems. I can look at some 
of those old eps and easily finish a character's sentences for him, because 
they're so canned (and really do this with "Voyager"). 
 
 It wasn't until B&B spent less time with DS9 and others like Ronald Moore and 
Steven Behr got more influence that it took off. That's when the Dominion War 
came on, Sisko started exploring his role as the Emissary (and got the bald 
head and beard back!), Cardassia was brought forward as a major player, etc. It 
then became a complex show, full of long story arcs that lasted in some cases 
years, charcters full of flaws and heroism, action, angst, as well as plenty of 
humour. it then became, in my opinion, the best of all the Trek series.
 
 Is B5 better overall? I don't like to compare the two, despite the charges 
that DS9 stole JMS' ideas from his early pitch to Paramount. B5 is a little 
rougher, grittier at times, a bit more steeped in mysticism and legend. JMS' 
writing works better for long arcs and dramatic moments than for every day 
dialogue and standalone shows, which is where the Trek writers had it down pat. 
B5 reminds me more of reading stories from the Bible or from the Silmarillion, 
where you got broad sweeping concepts. I think each show is excellent, each has 
its place, and we're better for having had both of them. Giving a choice, I'd 
choose owning all DS9 shows over all B5 shows, but that's only if *forced* to 
make a choice, someting I'd not want to do.
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 Finished Season 1 with the last disc from netflix last night. The end
 actually worked out well enough for me to add Season 2 to my queue.
 It will be a while though as I have, Zodiac, The William Gibson
 documentary, Several seasons of The Wire and Deadwood to burn
 through.
 
 On a side note, I have decided to unleash my uberdork. In my queue I
 

Re: [scifinoir2] BSG Update Personal

[KeithBJohnson]

amen! I hated the device of a Black man abandoning his wife and unborn child. I 
hated that, especially that line he said, something like "I may be back 
tomorrow, I may be back yesterday". I thought it was out of character for 
Benjamin to be so flip and relaxed about leaving! He literally go go off and 
train for a month, then pop back into our universe only an hour or so after 
leaving--or just seconds.  With temporal abilities there's no need for him to 
be gone. I read a couple of DS9 books taking place just after these events and 
Cassidy was really missing Ben.  Hated that plot.

what's up with Berman's manhood feelig threatened?

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Regarding "What You Leave Behind"? Only that Paramount went on to push out how 
many TNG movies, and now over-hyping the reboot, when the biggest loose string 
in TV history, Captain Sisko's becoming a Prophet-in-training, goes unexplored 
because Rick Berman's manhood feels threatened?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please do elaborate!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
When both shows began, I watched both equally, fully expecting DSNine to be the 
failure of the bunch because it was, IMO, *limited* by the constraints of the 
Trekverse (the stories could only do so much because there was so much 
continuity that had to be adhered to), while B5 was freer to roam. Both did 
come out slow, but many series do come out of the gate plodding. Each ended 
spectacularly, B5 marred only by its perpetuation in those really horrific 
movies (I didn't mind Crusade at all, unlike many B5 aficionados I knew at the 
time), DSNine marred by- well, we all know about 'What You Leave Behind", and I 
don't want to cause undue emotional scarring...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B5 season one is more interesting in the main than 
DS9's season one. It starts out a little rough, but as the mythos, cabals, 
conspiracies, and whispering of the Shadows starts, it becomes engaging. A few 
rough eps, but overall very good, and most of all intriguing enough to make you 
come back for the next season (great last ep). DS9 is--competent. It's like 
"Voyager", which had a good cast, professional writing, and an overal 
workmanlike feel, but wasn't very special. The early couple of seasons of DS9 
really just felt like another Star Trek show with kinda familiar scripts, 
predictable plots, simple one-hour resolution of problems. I can look at some 
of those old eps and easily finish a character's sentences for him, because 
they're so canned (and really do this with "Voyager"). 

It wasn't until B&B spent less time with DS9 and others like Ronald Moore and 
Steven Behr got more influence that it took off. That's when the Dominion War 
came on, Sisko started exploring his role as the Emissary (and got the bald 
head and beard back!), Cardassia was brought forward as a major player, etc. It 
then became a complex show, full of long story arcs that lasted in some cases 
years, charcters full of flaws and heroism, action, angst, as well as plenty of 
humour. it then became, in my opinion, the best of all the Trek series.

Is B5 better overall? I don't like to compare the two, despite the charges that 
DS9 stole JMS' ideas from his early pitch to Paramount. B5 is a little rougher, 
grittier at times, a bit more steeped in mysticism and legend. JMS' writing 
works better for long arcs and dramatic moments than for every day dialogue and 
standalone shows, which is where the Trek writers had it down pat. B5 reminds 
me more of reading stories from the Bible or from the Silmarillion, where you 
got broad sweeping concepts. I think each show is excellent, each has its 
place, and we're better for having had both of them. Giving a choice, I'd 
choose owning all DS9 shows over all B5 shows, but that's only if *forced* to 
make a choice, someting I'd not want to do.

-- Original message -- 
From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Finished Season 1 with the last disc from netflix last night. The end
actually worked out well enough for me to add Season 2 to my queue.
It will be a while though as I have, Zodiac, The William Gibson
documentary, Several seasons of The Wire and Deadwood to burn
through.

On a side note, I have decided to unleash my uberdork. In my queue I
have set up a couple of rounds of dueling space stations. Babylon 5
Season 1 will be followed by Deep Space Nine Season 1. I don't know
why I think this is such a cool idea. It is without question proof
that I am total geek.

Bosco

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