Re: [scifinoir2] How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010
Part of the reason my friend did what he did with his EULA was for exactly that reason, because so many people don't read the fine print before putting down their John Hancock. I know I didn't before that. Now, I close my door to allow mself to read it without interruption. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: Majority of the people do not read the end user agreement or terms of service because they are usually very long and complicated. M$ has been tinkering around with their eula for a long time. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: Mt friend stopped doing it because one of the few folks who noticed it threatened to call the cops if he tried to call in the claim. Another friend of ours, a lawyer, said that he had a fair chance of winning the case, but it would cost him cash that he didn't have. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: I remember back in the early 90s a software company did something similar. They offered a piece of software that was an SDK and said that if anyone sells a product with it they would have to pay them $10k, which was an outrageous amount of money at the time. It worked twice for them until there was a lawsuit behind it. The creators of the SDK lost in court. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: Makes me wonder how many people even bother to read those end-user agreements. Back in the early Naughts, a friend of mine created a WP software system and posted it, free for all, on his website. In the EUA, he included the line that Any one who downloads this immediately cedes all rights to their immortal soul to me. He had over 5600 downloads, and only three people caught that language. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote: In M$'s end user agreement they can also revoke usage at any time. They have been doing stuff like this on the sly for a long time. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.com wrote: In the first line of this, you'll all see why I ripped as much of M$'s software out of my laptop as I could the day I bought it... How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010 - By Brian X. Chen http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/author/bxchen/ [image: Email Author] brianxc...@gmail.com - June 29, 2010 | - 8:07 pm | - Categories: Miscellaneoushttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/category/uncategorized/ - For several years, Denise Carlevato has studied millions of mouse clicks and keystrokes made by anonymous computer users from all over the world. Her objective: to make Microsoft Office better fit the way millions of people work. “We were making many decisions based on … what customers wanted us to do.” –Microsoft VP P.J. Hough Months before Microsoft rolled out the latest version of its productivity suite, Office 2010, 9 million people downloaded its beta version to test the software and provide feedback. As part of the program, Microsoft collected 2 million comments from beta testers. An additional 600 people participated in Microsoft’s Virtual Research Lab, where Carlevato and her colleagues could observe how people were using new features. Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/microsoft-office-2010/#ixzz0sQPin0YX -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
Re: [scifinoir2] How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010
At one point in the late 90s the eulas were over 10 pages long! They seem to be trimming them back a little now. Facebook just had some problems with their eula about a week ago. On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: Part of the reason my friend did what he did with his EULA was for exactly that reason, because so many people don't read the fine print before putting down their John Hancock. I know I didn't before that. Now, I close my door to allow mself to read it without interruption. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: Majority of the people do not read the end user agreement or terms of service because they are usually very long and complicated. M$ has been tinkering around with their eula for a long time. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: Mt friend stopped doing it because one of the few folks who noticed it threatened to call the cops if he tried to call in the claim. Another friend of ours, a lawyer, said that he had a fair chance of winning the case, but it would cost him cash that he didn't have. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote: I remember back in the early 90s a software company did something similar. They offered a piece of software that was an SDK and said that if anyone sells a product with it they would have to pay them $10k, which was an outrageous amount of money at the time. It worked twice for them until there was a lawsuit behind it. The creators of the SDK lost in court. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: Makes me wonder how many people even bother to read those end-user agreements. Back in the early Naughts, a friend of mine created a WP software system and posted it, free for all, on his website. In the EUA, he included the line that Any one who downloads this immediately cedes all rights to their immortal soul to me. He had over 5600 downloads, and only three people caught that language. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote: In M$'s end user agreement they can also revoke usage at any time. They have been doing stuff like this on the sly for a long time. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.com wrote: In the first line of this, you'll all see why I ripped as much of M$'s software out of my laptop as I could the day I bought it... How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010 - By Brian X. Chenhttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/author/bxchen/ [image: Email Author] brianxc...@gmail.com - June 29, 2010 | - 8:07 pm | - Categories: Miscellaneoushttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/category/uncategorized/ - For several years, Denise Carlevato has studied millions of mouse clicks and keystrokes made by anonymous computer users from all over the world. Her objective: to make Microsoft Office better fit the way millions of people work. “We were making many decisions based on … what customers wanted us to do.” –Microsoft VP P.J. Hough Months before Microsoft rolled out the latest version of its productivity suite, Office 2010, 9 million people downloaded its beta version to test the software and provide feedback. As part of the program, Microsoft collected 2 million comments from beta testers. An additional 600 people participated in Microsoft’s Virtual Research Lab, where Carlevato and her colleagues could observe how people were using new features. Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/microsoft-office-2010/#ixzz0sQPin0YX -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of
Re: [scifinoir2] How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010
Makes me wonder how many people even bother to read those end-user agreements. Back in the early Naughts, a friend of mine created a WP software system and posted it, free for all, on his website. In the EUA, he included the line that Any one who downloads this immediately cedes all rights to their immortal soul to me. He had over 5600 downloads, and only three people caught that language. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: In M$'s end user agreement they can also revoke usage at any time. They have been doing stuff like this on the sly for a long time. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: In the first line of this, you'll all see why I ripped as much of M$'s software out of my laptop as I could the day I bought it... How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010 - By Brian X. Chen http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/author/bxchen/ [image: Email Author] brianxc...@gmail.com - June 29, 2010 | - 8:07 pm | - Categories: Miscellaneoushttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/category/uncategorized/ - For several years, Denise Carlevato has studied millions of mouse clicks and keystrokes made by anonymous computer users from all over the world. Her objective: to make Microsoft Office better fit the way millions of people work. “We were making many decisions based on … what customers wanted us to do.” –Microsoft VP P.J. Hough Months before Microsoft rolled out the latest version of its productivity suite, Office 2010, 9 million people downloaded its beta version to test the software and provide feedback. As part of the program, Microsoft collected 2 million comments from beta testers. An additional 600 people participated in Microsoft’s Virtual Research Lab, where Carlevato and her colleagues could observe how people were using new features. Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/microsoft-office-2010/#ixzz0sQPin0YX -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
Re: [scifinoir2] How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010
I remember back in the early 90s a software company did something similar. They offered a piece of software that was an SDK and said that if anyone sells a product with it they would have to pay them $10k, which was an outrageous amount of money at the time. It worked twice for them until there was a lawsuit behind it. The creators of the SDK lost in court. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: Makes me wonder how many people even bother to read those end-user agreements. Back in the early Naughts, a friend of mine created a WP software system and posted it, free for all, on his website. In the EUA, he included the line that Any one who downloads this immediately cedes all rights to their immortal soul to me. He had over 5600 downloads, and only three people caught that language. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: In M$'s end user agreement they can also revoke usage at any time. They have been doing stuff like this on the sly for a long time. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: In the first line of this, you'll all see why I ripped as much of M$'s software out of my laptop as I could the day I bought it... How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010 - By Brian X. Chen http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/author/bxchen/ [image: Email Author] brianxc...@gmail.com - June 29, 2010 | - 8:07 pm | - Categories: Miscellaneoushttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/category/uncategorized/ - For several years, Denise Carlevato has studied millions of mouse clicks and keystrokes made by anonymous computer users from all over the world. Her objective: to make Microsoft Office better fit the way millions of people work. “We were making many decisions based on … what customers wanted us to do.” –Microsoft VP P.J. Hough Months before Microsoft rolled out the latest version of its productivity suite, Office 2010, 9 million people downloaded its beta version to test the software and provide feedback. As part of the program, Microsoft collected 2 million comments from beta testers. An additional 600 people participated in Microsoft’s Virtual Research Lab, where Carlevato and her colleagues could observe how people were using new features. Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/microsoft-office-2010/#ixzz0sQPin0YX -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010
Mt friend stopped doing it because one of the few folks who noticed it threatened to call the cops if he tried to call in the claim. Another friend of ours, a lawyer, said that he had a fair chance of winning the case, but it would cost him cash that he didn't have. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: I remember back in the early 90s a software company did something similar. They offered a piece of software that was an SDK and said that if anyone sells a product with it they would have to pay them $10k, which was an outrageous amount of money at the time. It worked twice for them until there was a lawsuit behind it. The creators of the SDK lost in court. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: Makes me wonder how many people even bother to read those end-user agreements. Back in the early Naughts, a friend of mine created a WP software system and posted it, free for all, on his website. In the EUA, he included the line that Any one who downloads this immediately cedes all rights to their immortal soul to me. He had over 5600 downloads, and only three people caught that language. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: In M$'s end user agreement they can also revoke usage at any time. They have been doing stuff like this on the sly for a long time. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: In the first line of this, you'll all see why I ripped as much of M$'s software out of my laptop as I could the day I bought it... How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010 - By Brian X. Chen http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/author/bxchen/ [image: Email Author] brianxc...@gmail.com - June 29, 2010 | - 8:07 pm | - Categories: Miscellaneoushttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/category/uncategorized/ - For several years, Denise Carlevato has studied millions of mouse clicks and keystrokes made by anonymous computer users from all over the world. Her objective: to make Microsoft Office better fit the way millions of people work. “We were making many decisions based on … what customers wanted us to do.” –Microsoft VP P.J. Hough Months before Microsoft rolled out the latest version of its productivity suite, Office 2010, 9 million people downloaded its beta version to test the software and provide feedback. As part of the program, Microsoft collected 2 million comments from beta testers. An additional 600 people participated in Microsoft’s Virtual Research Lab, where Carlevato and her colleagues could observe how people were using new features. Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/microsoft-office-2010/#ixzz0sQPin0YX -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
Re: [scifinoir2] How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010
Majority of the people do not read the end user agreement or terms of service because they are usually very long and complicated. M$ has been tinkering around with their eula for a long time. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: Mt friend stopped doing it because one of the few folks who noticed it threatened to call the cops if he tried to call in the claim. Another friend of ours, a lawyer, said that he had a fair chance of winning the case, but it would cost him cash that he didn't have. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: I remember back in the early 90s a software company did something similar. They offered a piece of software that was an SDK and said that if anyone sells a product with it they would have to pay them $10k, which was an outrageous amount of money at the time. It worked twice for them until there was a lawsuit behind it. The creators of the SDK lost in court. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: Makes me wonder how many people even bother to read those end-user agreements. Back in the early Naughts, a friend of mine created a WP software system and posted it, free for all, on his website. In the EUA, he included the line that Any one who downloads this immediately cedes all rights to their immortal soul to me. He had over 5600 downloads, and only three people caught that language. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote: In M$'s end user agreement they can also revoke usage at any time. They have been doing stuff like this on the sly for a long time. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: In the first line of this, you'll all see why I ripped as much of M$'s software out of my laptop as I could the day I bought it... How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010 - By Brian X. Chen http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/author/bxchen/ [image: Email Author] brianxc...@gmail.com - June 29, 2010 | - 8:07 pm | - Categories: Miscellaneoushttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/category/uncategorized/ - For several years, Denise Carlevato has studied millions of mouse clicks and keystrokes made by anonymous computer users from all over the world. Her objective: to make Microsoft Office better fit the way millions of people work. “We were making many decisions based on … what customers wanted us to do.” –Microsoft VP P.J. Hough Months before Microsoft rolled out the latest version of its productivity suite, Office 2010, 9 million people downloaded its beta version to test the software and provide feedback. As part of the program, Microsoft collected 2 million comments from beta testers. An additional 600 people participated in Microsoft’s Virtual Research Lab, where Carlevato and her colleagues could observe how people were using new features. Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/microsoft-office-2010/#ixzz0sQPin0YX -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010
In the first line of this, you'll all see why I ripped as much of M$'s software out of my laptop as I could the day I bought it... How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010 - By Brian X. Chen http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/author/bxchen/ [image: Email Author] brianxc...@gmail.com - June 29, 2010 | - 8:07 pm | - Categories: Miscellaneoushttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/category/uncategorized/ - For several years, Denise Carlevato has studied millions of mouse clicks and keystrokes made by anonymous computer users from all over the world. Her objective: to make Microsoft Office better fit the way millions of people work. “We were making many decisions based on … what customers wanted us to do.” –Microsoft VP P.J. Hough Months before Microsoft rolled out the latest version of its productivity suite, Office 2010, 9 million people downloaded its beta version to test the software and provide feedback. As part of the program, Microsoft collected 2 million comments from beta testers. An additional 600 people participated in Microsoft’s Virtual Research Lab, where Carlevato and her colleagues could observe how people were using new features. Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/microsoft-office-2010/#ixzz0sQPin0YX -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
Re: [scifinoir2] How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010
In M$'s end user agreement they can also revoke usage at any time. They have been doing stuff like this on the sly for a long time. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: In the first line of this, you'll all see why I ripped as much of M$'s software out of my laptop as I could the day I bought it... How Microsoft Crowdsourced the Making of Office 2010 - By Brian X. Chen http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/author/bxchen/ [image: Email Author] brianxc...@gmail.com - June 29, 2010 | - 8:07 pm | - Categories: Miscellaneoushttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/category/uncategorized/ - For several years, Denise Carlevato has studied millions of mouse clicks and keystrokes made by anonymous computer users from all over the world. Her objective: to make Microsoft Office better fit the way millions of people work. “We were making many decisions based on … what customers wanted us to do.” –Microsoft VP P.J. Hough Months before Microsoft rolled out the latest version of its productivity suite, Office 2010, 9 million people downloaded its beta version to test the software and provide feedback. As part of the program, Microsoft collected 2 million comments from beta testers. An additional 600 people participated in Microsoft’s Virtual Research Lab, where Carlevato and her colleagues could observe how people were using new features. Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/microsoft-office-2010/#ixzz0sQPin0YX -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/