Re: [scifinoir2] John McCain emphatically denies romantic relationship
Seconding that! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you said it! -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco if you'd like some more insight into the culpability of the Times, the Post and other bastions of the liberal media, check out Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media. That the left's foremost thinker is essentially unknown in his own country underscores the idea that the various liberal media outlets are as liberal as the multi-national corporations that own them. If that's not enough evidence, try to find an article by Greg Palast published in a paper in the US. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin, you read my mind!! I was just stomping around the house today saying the very same thing. The Times released a statement today saying in effect, we don't ever publish anything unless we've checked the facts, and i immediately said, oh, like you fact-checked the *dozens* of articles you gave front page space to supporting Bush's dumb ass lies?. I've listened to Bill Moyers' Buying the War program half a dozen times, and the Times was as culpabe, as criminally, unforgivably *wrong*, as everyone else. I can honestly say I don't when my respect for them and many other supposedly free-thinking outlets will ever be restored. Guess it's Tavis Smiley and Democracy Now and McClatchy for me! -- Original message -- From: Martin One thing that strikes me as funny in this is that the right-wingers are all decrying this, painting the Times as that liberal rag. How quickly they forget that, back during the run-up to the War on Terror (reg, TM, copy), the Times was right in lockstep with the GOP in prosecuting the War. I guess they're only good as long as they're spouting *your* propaganda... ravenadal wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080221/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist McCain says report on lobbyist not true By LIBBY QUAID, Associated 1 hour, 44 minutes ago John McCain emphatically denied a romantic relationship with a female telecommunications lobbyist on Thursday and said a report by The New York Times suggesting favoritism for her clients is not true. I'm very disappointed in the article. It's not true, the likely Republican presidential nominee said as his wife, Cindy, stood beside him during a news conference called to address the matter. I've served this nation honorably for more than half a century, said McCain, a four-term Arizona senator and former Navy pilot. At no time have I ever done anything that would betray the public trust. I intend to move on, he added. McCain described the woman in question, lobbyist Vicki Iseman, as a friend. The newspaper quoted anonymous aides as saying they had urged McCain and Iseman to stay away from each other prior to his failed presidential campaign in 2000. In its own follow-up story, The Washington Post quoted longtime aide John Weaver, who split with McCain last year, as saying he met with lobbyist Iseman and urged her to steer clear of McCain. Weaver told the Times he arranged the meeting before the 2000 campaign after a discussion among the campaign leadership about Iseman. But McCain said he was unaware of any such conversation, and denied that his aides ever tried to talk to him about his interactions with Iseman. I never discussed it with John Weaver. As far as I know, there was no necessity for it, McCain said. I don't know anything about it, he added. John Weaver is a friend of mine. He remains a friend of mine. But I certainly didn't know anything of that nature. His wife also said she was disappointed with the newspaper. More importantly, my children and I not only trust my husband, but know that he would never do anything to not only disappoint our family, but disappoint the people of America. He's a man of great character, Cindy McCain said. The couple smiled throughout the questioning at a Toledo hotel. We think the story speaks for itself, Times executive editor Bill Keller said in a written statement Thursday. On the timing, our policy is we publish stories when they are ready. McCain's remaining rival for the Republican nomination, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, called McCain a good decent honorable man and said he accepted McCain's response. I've campaigned now on the same stage or platform with John McCain for 14 months. I only know him to be a man of integrity, Huckabee said in Houston. Today he denied any of that was true. I take him at his word. For me to get into it is completely immaterial. The published reports said McCain and Iseman each denied having a romantic relationship. Neither story asserted that there was a romantic relationship and offered no evidence that there was, reporting only that aides worried about the appearance of McCain having close ties to a lobbyist with business before the Senate Commerce
Re: [scifinoir2] John McCain emphatically denies romantic relationship
I'll second that, Daryle. Obama needs to clean out the cupboard *fast*. Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee I WONDER WHERE this story came from? The sad thing is is that this will be taken out of context and the focus will be on the implied romantic side of their relationship, which they both deny, instead of ³...and why does he have lobbyists as friends?² Whatever Obama has in his closet, now would be a good tie to get it out. It¹s about to go down. On 2/21/08 1:12 PM, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080221/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist McCain says report on lobbyist not true By LIBBY QUAID, Associated 1 hour, 44 minutes ago John McCain emphatically denied a romantic relationship with a female telecommunications lobbyist on Thursday and said a report by The New York Times suggesting favoritism for her clients is not true. I'm very disappointed in the article. It's not true, the likely Republican presidential nominee said as his wife, Cindy, stood beside him during a news conference called to address the matter. I've served this nation honorably for more than half a century, said McCain, a four-term Arizona senator and former Navy pilot. At no time have I ever done anything that would betray the public trust. I intend to move on, he added. McCain described the woman in question, lobbyist Vicki Iseman, as a friend. The newspaper quoted anonymous aides as saying they had urged McCain and Iseman to stay away from each other prior to his failed presidential campaign in 2000. In its own follow-up story, The Washington Post quoted longtime aide John Weaver, who split with McCain last year, as saying he met with lobbyist Iseman and urged her to steer clear of McCain. Weaver told the Times he arranged the meeting before the 2000 campaign after a discussion among the campaign leadership about Iseman. But McCain said he was unaware of any such conversation, and denied that his aides ever tried to talk to him about his interactions with Iseman. I never discussed it with John Weaver. As far as I know, there was no necessity for it, McCain said. I don't know anything about it, he added. John Weaver is a friend of mine. He remains a friend of mine. But I certainly didn't know anything of that nature. His wife also said she was disappointed with the newspaper. More importantly, my children and I not only trust my husband, but know that he would never do anything to not only disappoint our family, but disappoint the people of America. He's a man of great character, Cindy McCain said. The couple smiled throughout the questioning at a Toledo hotel. We think the story speaks for itself, Times executive editor Bill Keller said in a written statement Thursday. On the timing, our policy is we publish stories when they are ready. McCain's remaining rival for the Republican nomination, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, called McCain a good decent honorable man and said he accepted McCain's response. I've campaigned now on the same stage or platform with John McCain for 14 months. I only know him to be a man of integrity, Huckabee said in Houston. Today he denied any of that was true. I take him at his word. For me to get into it is completely immaterial. The published reports said McCain and Iseman each denied having a romantic relationship. Neither story asserted that there was a romantic relationship and offered no evidence that there was, reporting only that aides worried about the appearance of McCain having close ties to a lobbyist with business before the Senate Commerce Committee on which McCain served. The stories also allege that McCain wrote letters and pushed legislation involving television station ownership that would have benefited Iseman's clients. In late 1999, McCain twice wrote letters to the Federal Communications Commission on behalf of Florida-based Paxson Communications which had paid Iseman as its lobbyist urging quick consideration of a proposal to buy a television station license in Pittsburgh. At the time, Paxson's chief executive, Lowell W. Bud Paxson, also was a major contributor to McCain's 2000 presidential campaign. McCain did not urge the FCC commissioners to approve the proposal, but he asked for speedy consideration of the deal, which was pending from two years earlier. In an unusual response, then-FCC Chairman William Kennard complained that McCain's request comes at a sensitive time in the deliberative process and could have procedural and substantive impacts on the commission's deliberations and, thus, on the due process rights of the parties. McCain wrote the letters after he received more than $20,000 in contributions from Paxson executives and lobbyists. Paxson also lent
Re: [scifinoir2] John McCain emphatically denies romantic relationship
One thing that strikes me as funny in this is that the right-wingers are all decrying this, painting the Times as that liberal rag. How quickly they forget that, back during the run-up to the War on Terror (reg, TM, copy), the Times was right in lockstep with the GOP in prosecuting the War. I guess they're only good as long as they're spouting *your* propaganda... ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080221/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist McCain says report on lobbyist not true By LIBBY QUAID, Associated 1 hour, 44 minutes ago John McCain emphatically denied a romantic relationship with a female telecommunications lobbyist on Thursday and said a report by The New York Times suggesting favoritism for her clients is not true. I'm very disappointed in the article. It's not true, the likely Republican presidential nominee said as his wife, Cindy, stood beside him during a news conference called to address the matter. I've served this nation honorably for more than half a century, said McCain, a four-term Arizona senator and former Navy pilot. At no time have I ever done anything that would betray the public trust. I intend to move on, he added. McCain described the woman in question, lobbyist Vicki Iseman, as a friend. The newspaper quoted anonymous aides as saying they had urged McCain and Iseman to stay away from each other prior to his failed presidential campaign in 2000. In its own follow-up story, The Washington Post quoted longtime aide John Weaver, who split with McCain last year, as saying he met with lobbyist Iseman and urged her to steer clear of McCain. Weaver told the Times he arranged the meeting before the 2000 campaign after a discussion among the campaign leadership about Iseman. But McCain said he was unaware of any such conversation, and denied that his aides ever tried to talk to him about his interactions with Iseman. I never discussed it with John Weaver. As far as I know, there was no necessity for it, McCain said. I don't know anything about it, he added. John Weaver is a friend of mine. He remains a friend of mine. But I certainly didn't know anything of that nature. His wife also said she was disappointed with the newspaper. More importantly, my children and I not only trust my husband, but know that he would never do anything to not only disappoint our family, but disappoint the people of America. He's a man of great character, Cindy McCain said. The couple smiled throughout the questioning at a Toledo hotel. We think the story speaks for itself, Times executive editor Bill Keller said in a written statement Thursday. On the timing, our policy is we publish stories when they are ready. McCain's remaining rival for the Republican nomination, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, called McCain a good decent honorable man and said he accepted McCain's response. I've campaigned now on the same stage or platform with John McCain for 14 months. I only know him to be a man of integrity, Huckabee said in Houston. Today he denied any of that was true. I take him at his word. For me to get into it is completely immaterial. The published reports said McCain and Iseman each denied having a romantic relationship. Neither story asserted that there was a romantic relationship and offered no evidence that there was, reporting only that aides worried about the appearance of McCain having close ties to a lobbyist with business before the Senate Commerce Committee on which McCain served. The stories also allege that McCain wrote letters and pushed legislation involving television station ownership that would have benefited Iseman's clients. In late 1999, McCain twice wrote letters to the Federal Communications Commission on behalf of Florida-based Paxson Communications which had paid Iseman as its lobbyist urging quick consideration of a proposal to buy a television station license in Pittsburgh. At the time, Paxson's chief executive, Lowell W. Bud Paxson, also was a major contributor to McCain's 2000 presidential campaign. McCain did not urge the FCC commissioners to approve the proposal, but he asked for speedy consideration of the deal, which was pending from two years earlier. In an unusual response, then-FCC Chairman William Kennard complained that McCain's request comes at a sensitive time in the deliberative process and could have procedural and substantive impacts on the commission's deliberations and, thus, on the due process rights of the parties. McCain wrote the letters after he received more than $20,000 in contributions from Paxson executives and lobbyists. Paxson also lent McCain his company's jet at least four times during 1999 for campaign travel. Riding on the airplane was an accepted practice, McCain said Thursday, adding that he supported a
Re: [scifinoir2] John McCain emphatically denies romantic relationship
Martin, you read my mind!! I was just stomping around the house today saying the very same thing. The Times released a statement today saying in effect, we don't ever publish anything unless we've checked the facts, and i immediately said, oh, like you fact-checked the *dozens* of articles you gave front page space to supporting Bush's dumb ass lies?. I've listened to Bill Moyers' Buying the War program half a dozen times, and the Times was as culpabe, as criminally, unforgivably *wrong*, as everyone else. I can honestly say I don't when my respect for them and many other supposedly free-thinking outlets will ever be restored. Guess it's Tavis Smiley and Democracy Now and McClatchy for me! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing that strikes me as funny in this is that the right-wingers are all decrying this, painting the Times as that liberal rag. How quickly they forget that, back during the run-up to the War on Terror (reg, TM, copy), the Times was right in lockstep with the GOP in prosecuting the War. I guess they're only good as long as they're spouting *your* propaganda... ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080221/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist McCain says report on lobbyist not true By LIBBY QUAID, Associated 1 hour, 44 minutes ago John McCain emphatically denied a romantic relationship with a female telecommunications lobbyist on Thursday and said a report by The New York Times suggesting favoritism for her clients is not true. I'm very disappointed in the article. It's not true, the likely Republican presidential nominee said as his wife, Cindy, stood beside him during a news conference called to address the matter. I've served this nation honorably for more than half a century, said McCain, a four-term Arizona senator and former Navy pilot. At no time have I ever done anything that would betray the public trust. I intend to move on, he added. McCain described the woman in question, lobbyist Vicki Iseman, as a friend. The newspaper quoted anonymous aides as saying they had urged McCain and Iseman to stay away from each other prior to his failed presidential campaign in 2000. In its own follow-up story, The Washington Post quoted longtime aide John Weaver, who split with McCain last year, as saying he met with lobbyist Iseman and urged her to steer clear of McCain. Weaver told the Times he arranged the meeting before the 2000 campaign after a discussion among the campaign leadership about Iseman. But McCain said he was unaware of any such conversation, and denied that his aides ever tried to talk to him about his interactions with Iseman. I never discussed it with John Weaver. As far as I know, there was no necessity for it, McCain said. I don't know anything about it, he added. John Weaver is a friend of mine. He remains a friend of mine. But I certainly didn't know anything of that nature. His wife also said she was disappointed with the newspaper. More importantly, my children and I not only trust my husband, but know that he would never do anything to not only disappoint our family, but disappoint the people of America. He's a man of great character, Cindy McCain said. The couple smiled throughout the questioning at a Toledo hotel. We think the story speaks for itself, Times executive editor Bill Keller said in a written statement Thursday. On the timing, our policy is we publish stories when they are ready. McCain's remaining rival for the Republican nomination, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, called McCain a good decent honorable man and said he accepted McCain's response. I've campaigned now on the same stage or platform with John McCain for 14 months. I only know him to be a man of integrity, Huckabee said in Houston. Today he denied any of that was true. I take him at his word. For me to get into it is completely immaterial. The published reports said McCain and Iseman each denied having a romantic relationship. Neither story asserted that there was a romantic relationship and offered no evidence that there was, reporting only that aides worried about the appearance of McCain having close ties to a lobbyist with business before the Senate Commerce Committee on which McCain served. The stories also allege that McCain wrote letters and pushed legislation involving television station ownership that would have benefited Iseman's clients. In late 1999, McCain twice wrote letters to the Federal Communications Commission on behalf of Florida-based Paxson Communications which had paid Iseman as its lobbyist urging quick consideration of a proposal to buy a television station license in Pittsburgh. At the time, Paxson's chief executive, Lowell W. Bud Paxson, also was a major contributor to McCain's 2000 presidential campaign. McCain did not urge the FCC commissioners to approve the proposal, but he asked for speedy consideration of
Re: [scifinoir2] John McCain emphatically denies romantic relationship
if you'd like some more insight into the culpability of the Times, the Post and other bastions of the liberal media, check out Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media. That the left's foremost thinker is essentially unknown in his own country underscores the idea that the various liberal media outlets are as liberal as the multi-national corporations that own them. If that's not enough evidence, try to find an article by Greg Palast published in a paper in the US. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin, you read my mind!! I was just stomping around the house today saying the very same thing. The Times released a statement today saying in effect, we don't ever publish anything unless we've checked the facts, and i immediately said, oh, like you fact-checked the *dozens* of articles you gave front page space to supporting Bush's dumb ass lies?. I've listened to Bill Moyers' Buying the War program half a dozen times, and the Times was as culpabe, as criminally, unforgivably *wrong*, as everyone else. I can honestly say I don't when my respect for them and many other supposedly free-thinking outlets will ever be restored. Guess it's Tavis Smiley and Democracy Now and McClatchy for me! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing that strikes me as funny in this is that the right-wingers are all decrying this, painting the Times as that liberal rag. How quickly they forget that, back during the run-up to the War on Terror (reg, TM, copy), the Times was right in lockstep with the GOP in prosecuting the War. I guess they're only good as long as they're spouting *your* propaganda... ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080221/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist McCain says report on lobbyist not true By LIBBY QUAID, Associated 1 hour, 44 minutes ago John McCain emphatically denied a romantic relationship with a female telecommunications lobbyist on Thursday and said a report by The New York Times suggesting favoritism for her clients is not true. I'm very disappointed in the article. It's not true, the likely Republican presidential nominee said as his wife, Cindy, stood beside him during a news conference called to address the matter. I've served this nation honorably for more than half a century, said McCain, a four-term Arizona senator and former Navy pilot. At no time have I ever done anything that would betray the public trust. I intend to move on, he added. McCain described the woman in question, lobbyist Vicki Iseman, as a friend. The newspaper quoted anonymous aides as saying they had urged McCain and Iseman to stay away from each other prior to his failed presidential campaign in 2000. In its own follow-up story, The Washington Post quoted longtime aide John Weaver, who split with McCain last year, as saying he met with lobbyist Iseman and urged her to steer clear of McCain. Weaver told the Times he arranged the meeting before the 2000 campaign after a discussion among the campaign leadership about Iseman. But McCain said he was unaware of any such conversation, and denied that his aides ever tried to talk to him about his interactions with Iseman. I never discussed it with John Weaver. As far as I know, there was no necessity for it, McCain said. I don't know anything about it, he added. John Weaver is a friend of mine. He remains a friend of mine. But I certainly didn't know anything of that nature. His wife also said she was disappointed with the newspaper. More importantly, my children and I not only trust my husband, but know that he would never do anything to not only disappoint our family, but disappoint the people of America. He's a man of great character, Cindy McCain said. The couple smiled throughout the questioning at a Toledo hotel. We think the story speaks for itself, Times executive editor Bill Keller said in a written statement Thursday. On the timing, our policy is we publish stories when they are ready. McCain's remaining rival for the Republican nomination, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, called McCain a good decent honorable man and said he accepted McCain's response. I've campaigned now on the same stage or platform with John McCain for 14 months. I only know him to be a man of integrity, Huckabee said in Houston. Today he denied any of that was true. I take him at his word. For me to get into it is completely immaterial. The published reports said McCain and Iseman each denied having a romantic relationship. Neither story asserted that there was a romantic relationship and offered no evidence that there was, reporting only that aides worried about the appearance of McCain having close ties to a lobbyist with business before the Senate Commerce Committee on which McCain served. The stories also allege that McCain wrote letters
Re: [scifinoir2] John McCain emphatically denies romantic relationship
you said it! -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you'd like some more insight into the culpability of the Times, the Post and other bastions of the liberal media, check out Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media. That the left's foremost thinker is essentially unknown in his own country underscores the idea that the various liberal media outlets are as liberal as the multi-national corporations that own them. If that's not enough evidence, try to find an article by Greg Palast published in a paper in the US. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin, you read my mind!! I was just stomping around the house today saying the very same thing. The Times released a statement today saying in effect, we don't ever publish anything unless we've checked the facts, and i immediately said, oh, like you fact-checked the *dozens* of articles you gave front page space to supporting Bush's dumb ass lies?. I've listened to Bill Moyers' Buying the War program half a dozen times, and the Times was as culpabe, as criminally, unforgivably *wrong*, as everyone else. I can honestly say I don't when my respect for them and many other supposedly free-thinking outlets will ever be restored. Guess it's Tavis Smiley and Democracy Now and McClatchy for me! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing that strikes me as funny in this is that the right-wingers are all decrying this, painting the Times as that liberal rag. How quickly they forget that, back during the run-up to the War on Terror (reg, TM, copy), the Times was right in lockstep with the GOP in prosecuting the War. I guess they're only good as long as they're spouting *your* propaganda... ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080221/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist McCain says report on lobbyist not true By LIBBY QUAID, Associated 1 hour, 44 minutes ago John McCain emphatically denied a romantic relationship with a female telecommunications lobbyist on Thursday and said a report by The New York Times suggesting favoritism for her clients is not true. I'm very disappointed in the article. It's not true, the likely Republican presidential nominee said as his wife, Cindy, stood beside him during a news conference called to address the matter. I've served this nation honorably for more than half a century, said McCain, a four-term Arizona senator and former Navy pilot. At no time have I ever done anything that would betray the public trust. I intend to move on, he added. McCain described the woman in question, lobbyist Vicki Iseman, as a friend. The newspaper quoted anonymous aides as saying they had urged McCain and Iseman to stay away from each other prior to his failed presidential campaign in 2000. In its own follow-up story, The Washington Post quoted longtime aide John Weaver, who split with McCain last year, as saying he met with lobbyist Iseman and urged her to steer clear of McCain. Weaver told the Times he arranged the meeting before the 2000 campaign after a discussion among the campaign leadership about Iseman. But McCain said he was unaware of any such conversation, and denied that his aides ever tried to talk to him about his interactions with Iseman. I never discussed it with John Weaver. As far as I know, there was no necessity for it, McCain said. I don't know anything about it, he added. John Weaver is a friend of mine. He remains a friend of mine. But I certainly didn't know anything of that nature. His wife also said she was disappointed with the newspaper. More importantly, my children and I not only trust my husband, but know that he would never do anything to not only disappoint our family, but disappoint the people of America. He's a man of great character, Cindy McCain said. The couple smiled throughout the questioning at a Toledo hotel. We think the story speaks for itself, Times executive editor Bill Keller said in a written statement Thursday. On the timing, our policy is we publish stories when they are ready. McCain's remaining rival for the Republican nomination, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, called McCain a good decent honorable man and said he accepted McCain's response. I've campaigned now on the same stage or platform with John McCain for 14 months. I only know him to be a man of integrity, Huckabee said in Houston. Today he denied any of that was true. I take him at his word. For me to get into it is completely immaterial. The published reports said McCain and Iseman each denied having a romantic relationship. Neither story asserted that there was a romantic relationship and offered no evidence that there was, reporting only that aides worried about the appearance of McCain having close ties to a lobbyist with business before the Senate
