Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who: Planet of the Ood
Meta, a shame that that message isn't making it to *my* side of the pond. Meta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm with you on this. I've always liked that we are used in a matter of fact way in this show, which is one reason why I like watching them with my children. They get to see that we're not super bad nor super good, just regular folk. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I thought about the fact the black man was the principal slave driver > and the Indian woman was both a collaborator and an apologist for a > clearly corrupt business enterprise. And it occurred to me that it > didn't bother me because of the matter-of-fact way minorities are > integrated into these stories. > > I think of another of my favorite "Who" episodes - the one where the > Dyleks are using depression era humans to build the Empire State > Building - where the leader of the Central Park squatter's camp and > the most heroic and moral person in the episode is a black man. > > It is this even-handedness that makes me a fan of the latest > incarnation of the good doctor. > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Justin Mohareb" > wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:37 AM, ravenadal wrote: > > > Diana: "Being with you I can't tell what's right or wrong anymore." > > > > > > Doctor: "It's better that way." > > > > Psst. Donna. > > > I am not a fan of Catherine Tate, a big horsey woman who sort of > > > clumps around eating scenery. That said, I found "The Planet of the > > > Ood" to be both a great episode and a trenchant meditation on the > > > nature of slavery - a pretty amazing accomplishment in a 50 minute > > > teleplay. > > > > > > There were several elements about this episode that I found appealing. > > > As usual, I like the multicultural cast which included both a black > > > man and an Indian woman in prominent roles. I liked the Ood, a race > > > of peace loving octopi-heads who have been enslaved in a particularly > > > diabolical way. > > > > Were there any thoughts on the fact the black character in this was > > the slave driver of the piece? > > > > JJ Mohareb > > > > -- > > Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. > > http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com > > > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A Country" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who: Planet of the Ood
I'm with you on this. I've always liked that we are used in a matter of fact way in this show, which is one reason why I like watching them with my children. They get to see that we're not super bad nor super good, just regular folk. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I thought about the fact the black man was the principal slave driver > and the Indian woman was both a collaborator and an apologist for a > clearly corrupt business enterprise. And it occurred to me that it > didn't bother me because of the matter-of-fact way minorities are > integrated into these stories. > > I think of another of my favorite "Who" episodes - the one where the > Dyleks are using depression era humans to build the Empire State > Building - where the leader of the Central Park squatter's camp and > the most heroic and moral person in the episode is a black man. > > It is this even-handedness that makes me a fan of the latest > incarnation of the good doctor. > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Justin Mohareb" > wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:37 AM, ravenadal wrote: > > > Diana: "Being with you I can't tell what's right or wrong anymore." > > > > > > Doctor: "It's better that way." > > > > Psst. Donna. > > > I am not a fan of Catherine Tate, a big horsey woman who sort of > > > clumps around eating scenery. That said, I found "The Planet of the > > > Ood" to be both a great episode and a trenchant meditation on the > > > nature of slavery - a pretty amazing accomplishment in a 50 minute > > > teleplay. > > > > > > There were several elements about this episode that I found appealing. > > > As usual, I like the multicultural cast which included both a black > > > man and an Indian woman in prominent roles. I liked the Ood, a race > > > of peace loving octopi-heads who have been enslaved in a particularly > > > diabolical way. > > > > Were there any thoughts on the fact the black character in this was > > the slave driver of the piece? > > > > JJ Mohareb > > > > -- > > Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. > > http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com > > >
[scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who: Planet of the Ood
I love the fluid and non-sensational way "Torchwood" mixes and matches couples. In particular I mention the episode with the black woman deeply in love with a white man who slowly comes to the realization that not only is she not human, she is a "sleeper": an alien killing machine embedded to inflict maximum mayhem. The relationship between the woman and her true love was handled in a naturalistic and matter-of-fact manner. In other words, the woman was black; her lover was white, and this was the LEAST remarkable thing about their relationship. (I DO wish she hadn't skewered dude with her shiv-like arm when he brought her flowers in the hospital, though). ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "marian_changling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been renting "Torchwood" and they have the same enviable ability > to fold minority characters into the story without comment--except > where it might be pertinent to the story. > > I think the melancholy air about the Doctor is something that they > picked up from the novels that were produced while they were off the > air. I like it also. > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" wrote: > > > > >
[scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who: Planet of the Ood
Are the "Who" novels any good? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "marian_changling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been renting "Torchwood" and they have the same enviable ability > to fold minority characters into the story without comment--except > where it might be pertinent to the story. > > I think the melancholy air about the Doctor is something that they > picked up from the novels that were produced while they were off the > air. I like it also. > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" wrote: > > > > >
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who: Planet of the Ood
Was the episode with Martha and the helmet heads the last episode shown in the states for a while? I do not see any upcoming episodes listed on the site -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:08 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who: Planet of the Ood I like how they seem to use people of color in these shows too. Their ethnicity is more about character development than making any points about their ethnicity -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of marian_changling Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:38 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who: Planet of the Ood I've been renting "Torchwood" and they have the same enviable ability to fold minority characters into the story without comment--except where it might be pertinent to the story. I think the melancholy air about the Doctor is something that they picked up from the novels that were produced while they were off the air. I like it also. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who: Planet of the Ood
rave, I loved his portrayal as well. I'm not sure, but wasn't he not only the leader of the camp but, before the Crash, a professional man? Been awhile since I saw it, and episode guides are few and far between since GallifreyOne shut down. ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I thought about the fact the black man was the principal slave driver and the Indian woman was both a collaborator and an apologist for a clearly corrupt business enterprise. And it occurred to me that it didn't bother me because of the matter-of-fact way minorities are integrated into these stories. I think of another of my favorite "Who" episodes - the one where the Dyleks are using depression era humans to build the Empire State Building - where the leader of the Central Park squatter's camp and the most heroic and moral person in the episode is a black man. It is this even-handedness that makes me a fan of the latest incarnation of the good doctor. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Justin Mohareb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:37 AM, ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Diana: "Being with you I can't tell what's right or wrong anymore." > > > > Doctor: "It's better that way." > > Psst. Donna. > > I am not a fan of Catherine Tate, a big horsey woman who sort of > > clumps around eating scenery. That said, I found "The Planet of the > > Ood" to be both a great episode and a trenchant meditation on the > > nature of slavery - a pretty amazing accomplishment in a 50 minute > > teleplay. > > > > There were several elements about this episode that I found appealing. > > As usual, I like the multicultural cast which included both a black > > man and an Indian woman in prominent roles. I liked the Ood, a race > > of peace loving octopi-heads who have been enslaved in a particularly > > diabolical way. > > Were there any thoughts on the fact the black character in this was > the slave driver of the piece? > > JJ Mohareb > > -- > Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. > http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A Country" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who: Planet of the Ood
I thought about the fact the black man was the principal slave driver and the Indian woman was both a collaborator and an apologist for a clearly corrupt business enterprise. And it occurred to me that it didn't bother me because of the matter-of-fact way minorities are integrated into these stories. I think of another of my favorite "Who" episodes - the one where the Dyleks are using depression era humans to build the Empire State Building - where the leader of the Central Park squatter's camp and the most heroic and moral person in the episode is a black man. It is this even-handedness that makes me a fan of the latest incarnation of the good doctor. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Justin Mohareb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:37 AM, ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Diana: "Being with you I can't tell what's right or wrong anymore." > > > > Doctor: "It's better that way." > > Psst. Donna. > > I am not a fan of Catherine Tate, a big horsey woman who sort of > > clumps around eating scenery. That said, I found "The Planet of the > > Ood" to be both a great episode and a trenchant meditation on the > > nature of slavery - a pretty amazing accomplishment in a 50 minute > > teleplay. > > > > There were several elements about this episode that I found appealing. > > As usual, I like the multicultural cast which included both a black > > man and an Indian woman in prominent roles. I liked the Ood, a race > > of peace loving octopi-heads who have been enslaved in a particularly > > diabolical way. > > Were there any thoughts on the fact the black character in this was > the slave driver of the piece? > > JJ Mohareb > > -- > Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. > http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com >
