Re: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
In a message dated 6/27/06 8:32:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > On the small screen, yeah. But I'm hoping for a renaissance in 2D animation > for the big screen. Disney did it right for a while back in their "Beauty > and the Best" (still my fav of the modern Disney classic 'toons) and "Lion > King" days. Studios have tried, but they always come back saying that > American > audiences aren't paying to see 2D films, hence the continued trend to CGI > films. While I love "The Incredibles" like crazy, I'd hate to see films like > "The Iron Giant" get overlooked. > The Iron Giant is the perfect example of a good computer assisted 2d animated flick. But yeah, ever since Treasure Planet (which I still think was a damn good 2D comp assisted 'classic' animated film) there hasn't been that much of 2d animation lately on the big screen-even in japan. > > Do you think Americans really prefer the new CG films to 2D on the big > screen? I think there's a place for both. Don Bluth makes beautiful-looking > films > (he did both "NIMH" and "Titan, A.E.", right?) but they're usually a little > too simplistic in plotting for my tastes. > Right now yeah. But that can change with just the right film, done well at the right time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
On the small screen, yeah. But I'm hoping for a renaissance in 2D animation for the big screen. Disney did it right for a while back in their "Beauty and the Best" (still my fav of the modern Disney classic 'toons) and "Lion King" days. Studios have tried, but they always come back saying that American audiences aren't paying to see 2D films, hence the continued trend to CGI films. While I love "The Incredibles" like crazy, I'd hate to see films like "The Iron Giant" get overlooked. Do you think Americans really prefer the new CG films to 2D on the big screen? I think there's a place for both. Don Bluth makes beautiful-looking films (he did both "NIMH" and "Titan, A.E.", right?) but they're usually a little too simplistic in plotting for my tastes. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/26/06 9:38:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I just wish that so-called traditional 2D animation were still popular. > Actually in a way computers are starting to help bring back 2D animation as shown by some new animated shows both on this side and in japan. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
In a message dated 6/26/06 9:38:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I just wish that so-called traditional 2D animation were still popular. > Actually in a way computers are starting to help bring back 2D animation as shown by some new animated shows both on this side and in japan. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
Yeah, Jobs and Pixar ceeded all rights to their Pixar properties to Disney. Disney owns the rights to such hits as the Toy Story franchises, Finding Nemo, etc. This gives them rights to both grab dough based on merchandising, and create sequels. When Jobs was unhappy with the deal, Eisner decided to play hardball. He created a whole new animation studio, hiring dozens of animators. There were even fully created scripts for a Toy Story 3, and first drafts of sequels for Nemo and The Incredibles. But once Eisner--who seems to be one of the most disliked execs in recent history--left, the two companies were able to come to terms. Disney managed to retain about eighty percent of the animators they hired for the defunct new studio. There are some bad feelings from the nascent Disney team at having its scripts and such being run by Pixar, but in the main all the animators are cool and understand it was a power struggle at the top. I think Disney's so bummed and worried at having lost their pre-eminent domination they were more than willing to let Pixar's winning ways take over. I just wish that so-called traditional 2D animation were still popular. _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Sent: Monday, 26 June, 2006 19:01 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book Actually. I read the article you forwarded and it sounds like they gave power to the Pixar team. lets keep our fingers crossed Tracey Daryle Lockhart wrote: > "Cars" is apparently the last project under the old Disney Pixar > shingle. It's done pretty well! My son has become a HUGE Pixar fan > and it would really be bad if the movies turned all Dreamworks-y. > > One day I happened across the snoozefest that is "Conversations with > Michael Eisner", a "talk" show on MSNBC. ( http://www.msnbc. <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/> msn.com/ > id/10789058/ ) Anyway, Michael interviewed his successor, who > indicated that the Pixar acquisition was to add Pixar's strength to > Disney's arsenal, and I haven't heard of anyone being fired at Pixar > yet, so it looks like it's a match made in Taiw - I mean heaven! > > > On Jun 26, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. > Minor) wrote: > > u.. It seems I'm a little behind. For the longest time, i kept > hearing about the flling out. This is not good in my opinion. They > will such the creativity out of that division. What a shame. i love > pixar movies > > tracey > > Daryle Lockhart wrote: > > http://news. <http://news.com.com/2061-10802_3-6030592.html> com.com/2061-10802_3-6030592.html > > > > On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. > > Minor) wrote: > > > > didn't Disney shut down their animation department and screw up their > > relationship with Pixar? > > > > Tracey > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
My understanding is that it's going to be business as usual. "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: do you think they will continue with the pixar tradition or retool it to make it "better?" tracey Martin Pratt wrote: > Tracey, when the new guy came in at Disney, he fixed Eisner's mess, > reconciled with Pixar. > > Daryle Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://news.com.com/2061-10802_3-6030592.html > > On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. > Minor) wrote: > > didn't Disney shut down their animation department and screw up their > relationship with Pixar? > > Tracey > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > "Excuse me while I whip this out." > Cleavon Little , "Blazing Saddles" > > - > Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! > Messenger with Voice. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > "Excuse me while I whip this out." Cleavon Little , "Blazing Saddles" __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
Actually. I read the article you forwarded and it sounds like they gave power to the Pixar team. lets keep our fingers crossed Tracey Daryle Lockhart wrote: > "Cars" is apparently the last project under the old Disney Pixar > shingle. It's done pretty well! My son has become a HUGE Pixar fan > and it would really be bad if the movies turned all Dreamworks-y. > > One day I happened across the snoozefest that is "Conversations with > Michael Eisner", a "talk" show on MSNBC. ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ > id/10789058/ ) Anyway, Michael interviewed his successor, who > indicated that the Pixar acquisition was to add Pixar's strength to > Disney's arsenal, and I haven't heard of anyone being fired at Pixar > yet, so it looks like it's a match made in Taiw - I mean heaven! > > > On Jun 26, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. > Minor) wrote: > > u.. It seems I'm a little behind. For the longest time, i kept > hearing about the flling out. This is not good in my opinion. They > will such the creativity out of that division. What a shame. i love > pixar movies > > tracey > > Daryle Lockhart wrote: > > http://news.com.com/2061-10802_3-6030592.html > > > > On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. > > Minor) wrote: > > > > didn't Disney shut down their animation department and screw up their > > relationship with Pixar? > > > > Tracey > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
"Cars" is apparently the last project under the old Disney Pixar shingle. It's done pretty well! My son has become a HUGE Pixar fan and it would really be bad if the movies turned all Dreamworks-y. One day I happened across the snoozefest that is "Conversations with Michael Eisner", a "talk" show on MSNBC. ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ id/10789058/ ) Anyway, Michael interviewed his successor, who indicated that the Pixar acquisition was to add Pixar's strength to Disney's arsenal, and I haven't heard of anyone being fired at Pixar yet, so it looks like it's a match made in Taiw - I mean heaven! On Jun 26, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: u.. It seems I'm a little behind. For the longest time, i kept hearing about the flling out. This is not good in my opinion. They will such the creativity out of that division. What a shame. i love pixar movies tracey Daryle Lockhart wrote: > http://news.com.com/2061-10802_3-6030592.html > > On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. > Minor) wrote: > > didn't Disney shut down their animation department and screw up their > relationship with Pixar? > > Tracey > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
do you think they will continue with the pixar tradition or retool it to make it "better?" tracey Martin Pratt wrote: > Tracey, when the new guy came in at Disney, he fixed Eisner's mess, > reconciled with Pixar. > > Daryle Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://news.com.com/2061-10802_3-6030592.html > > On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. > Minor) wrote: > > didn't Disney shut down their animation department and screw up their > relationship with Pixar? > > Tracey > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > "Excuse me while I whip this out." > Cleavon Little , "Blazing Saddles" > > - > Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! > Messenger with Voice. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
u.. It seems I'm a little behind. For the longest time, i kept hearing about the flling out. This is not good in my opinion. They will such the creativity out of that division. What a shame. i love pixar movies tracey Daryle Lockhart wrote: > http://news.com.com/2061-10802_3-6030592.html > > On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. > Minor) wrote: > > didn't Disney shut down their animation department and screw up their > relationship with Pixar? > > Tracey > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
Tracey, when the new guy came in at Disney, he fixed Eisner's mess, reconciled with Pixar. Daryle Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://news.com.com/2061-10802_3-6030592.html On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: didn't Disney shut down their animation department and screw up their relationship with Pixar? Tracey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "Excuse me while I whip this out." Cleavon Little , "Blazing Saddles" - Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
http://news.com.com/2061-10802_3-6030592.html On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: didn't Disney shut down their animation department and screw up their relationship with Pixar? Tracey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
didn't Disney shut down their animation department and screw up their relationship with Pixar? Tracey Martin Pratt wrote: > He just noticed?? Unless it's animated, Disney takes no interest in it. > And sequels... > > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book > A new book, The Man Who Heard Voices: Or, How M. Night Shyamalan Risked > His Career on a Fairy Tale, due to be published on July 20, will > describe director M. Night Shyamalan's conflict with Disney studio > executives and his decision to leave the company that had produced his > successfully thrillers, beginning with 1999's The Sixth Sense, the Los > Angeles Times reported today (Friday). The book, by Sports Illustrated > writer Michael Bamberger, is reportedly particularly tough on Disney > production President Nina Jacobson, quoting Shyamalan as saying that he > "had witnessed the decay of her creative vision right before his own > wide-open eyes." Later Shyamalan says that over the years, he had > concluded that Disney "no longer valued individualism ... no longer > valued fighters." Eventually he left the studio after Jacobson and > others assailed his script for Lady in the Water, which was eventually > produced by Warner Bros. and is due to be released on July 21. > http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2006-06-23/#3 > > > > > > > "Excuse me while I whip this out." > Cleavon Little , "Blazing Saddles" > > - > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
He just noticed?? Unless it's animated, Disney takes no interest in it. And sequels... "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book A new book, The Man Who Heard Voices: Or, How M. Night Shyamalan Risked His Career on a Fairy Tale, due to be published on July 20, will describe director M. Night Shyamalan's conflict with Disney studio executives and his decision to leave the company that had produced his successfully thrillers, beginning with 1999's The Sixth Sense, the Los Angeles Times reported today (Friday). The book, by Sports Illustrated writer Michael Bamberger, is reportedly particularly tough on Disney production President Nina Jacobson, quoting Shyamalan as saying that he "had witnessed the decay of her creative vision right before his own wide-open eyes." Later Shyamalan says that over the years, he had concluded that Disney "no longer valued individualism ... no longer valued fighters." Eventually he left the studio after Jacobson and others assailed his script for Lady in the Water, which was eventually produced by Warner Bros. and is due to be released on July 21. http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2006-06-23/#3 "Excuse me while I whip this out." Cleavon Little , "Blazing Saddles" - Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book
Shyamalan Blasts Disney Execs in New Book A new book, The Man Who Heard Voices: Or, How M. Night Shyamalan Risked His Career on a Fairy Tale, due to be published on July 20, will describe director M. Night Shyamalan's conflict with Disney studio executives and his decision to leave the company that had produced his successfully thrillers, beginning with 1999's The Sixth Sense, the Los Angeles Times reported today (Friday). The book, by Sports Illustrated writer Michael Bamberger, is reportedly particularly tough on Disney production President Nina Jacobson, quoting Shyamalan as saying that he "had witnessed the decay of her creative vision right before his own wide-open eyes." Later Shyamalan says that over the years, he had concluded that Disney "no longer valued individualism ... no longer valued fighters." Eventually he left the studio after Jacobson and others assailed his script for Lady in the Water, which was eventually produced by Warner Bros. and is due to be released on July 21. http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2006-06-23/#3 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
