Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
SO how have you been, Tracey? From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, August 24, 2009 1:10:01 AM Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I actually don’t mind him, but those side storylines like him neglecting and passing over his AI car for a better one and the episode with the area 51 rivalry was horrible. However, you are probably right and some demographic study told them that the young white males that they are after like those silly storylines. From:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:03 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts This country is notoriously homophobic so more than likely they won't be persuing that angle. Its also possible that the actor that plays Fargo is gay but not the character. Unfortunately, Fargo will probably remain as a staple on the show. It is his technology that makes up the house and other key things on the show. I think that they also use him some people in the audience will have someone to identify with. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: Fargo has a girlfriend. He had a major crush on Jo, and this woman who had a crush on him, took Jo’s form. When he discovered he was connecting with the Doppelganger, they hooked up and went off into the sunset. He still could be gay or bi, but it does not look like they are pursuing that angle From:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:48 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda- dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs
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Wow, guys...I hadn'r realized I hadn't been here since August...Been in school for welding so I a bit worn out...You won't believe how many ways there are to fuse metal together...and I'm not very good at any of them...On thing I can say for sure; when I'm done with this welding class, I'll be a pretty good carpenter! LOL From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, August 24, 2009 6:51:03 AM Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I'm with you on all of your points. As for why they wrote out Stark's character -- the only thing I can think of is that he got tired of the role. They weren't really giving him much to do with it. I've since seen him on a liquor commercial, but not True Blood, as I don't have HBO and am not a fan of the show. As for Carter's security clearance, that makes no sense to me, either. Feels as though the writers didn't take the extra step in the thought process, simply left it at the supposition that a town sheriff shouldn't have access to top secrets, even if most of those top secrets are the cause of most of the troubles he has to deal with. I half-hoped that, as the series went on, there would be a point at which such was recognized, he would be bumped up If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:52:34 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda- dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler! --storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's only the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret discussions. Is it logical, therefore, for his clearance to be relatively low? Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. Find out more.
RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
Based on the acumen you've shown in this forum, I doubt that self-assessment. And you have been missed, pal. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:16:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Wow, guys...I hadn'r realized I hadn't been here since August...Been in school for welding so I a bit worn out...You won't believe how many ways there are to fuse metal together...and I'm not very good at any of them...On thing I can say for sure; when I'm done with this welding class, I'll be a pretty good carpenter! LOL From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, August 24, 2009 6:51:03 AM Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I'm with you on all of your points. As for why they wrote out Stark's character -- the only thing I can think of is that he got tired of the role. They weren't really giving him much to do with it. I've since seen him on a liquor commercial, but not True Blood, as I don't have HBO and am not a fan of the show. As for Carter's security clearance, that makes no sense to me, either. Feels as though the writers didn't take the extra step in the thought process, simply left it at the supposition that a town sheriff shouldn't have access to top secrets, even if most of those top secrets are the cause of most of the troubles he has to deal with. I half-hoped that, as the series went on, there would be a point at which such was recognized, he would be bumped up If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:52:34 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda- dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler! --storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's only the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, Carter's the *only
Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, August 24, 2009 4:45:45 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts You don't like Fargo? Ha-ha! I hear you, though: like most cliches, Fargo pushes things a bit much. When they back off just a bit and let him appear to be more normal, he's much more effective. What did you think about Max Headroom playing the Aussie Great White Hunter? He's coming back for at least a guest shot soon. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:25:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they stay on track From:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda- dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler! --storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's only the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some
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that's pretty cool. wondered where you were! There ain't nothing wrong with getting good new skills, especially in these times. As for different ways to weld metal, I can believe it. There are so many different types of metals, with different properties, different melting points, different strengths and so forth. My late father was a heat treat specialist at Bell Helicopter-Textron. He worked on a furnace where he worked with alloys and the like. There's a lot to that stuff. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 6:16:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Wow, guys...I hadn'r realized I hadn't been here since August...Been in school for welding so I a bit worn out...You won't believe how many ways there are to fuse metal together...and I'm not very good at any of them...On thing I can say for sure; when I'm done with this welding class, I'll be a pretty good carpenter! LOL From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, August 24, 2009 6:51:03 AM Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I'm with you on all of your points. As for why they wrote out Stark's character -- the only thing I can think of is that he got tired of the role. They weren't really giving him much to do with it. I've since seen him on a liquor commercial, but not True Blood, as I don't have HBO and am not a fan of the show. As for Carter's security clearance, that makes no sense to me, either. Feels as though the writers didn't take the extra step in the thought process, simply left it at the supposition that a town sheriff shouldn't have access to top secrets, even if most of those top secrets are the cause of most of the troubles he has to deal with. I half-hoped that, as the series went on, there would be a point at which such was recognized, he would be bumped up If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:52:34 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda- dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler! --storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's only
RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton
As do I. In an entirely manly way, of course. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:29:15 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton Look ahead. I LOVE JOE MORTON. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:42 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton Hey what gives? No other love for Joe Morton? Surely I can't the only one who's seen The Brother from Another Planet, or who likes John Sayles?? :( - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:41:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton I can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to Eureka. Morton's one of those actors with a face and bearing you just trust and respect. He can play a likeable guy, a strong leader, a tortured and confused soul. I have followed him for years, whether it's been great turns in John Sayles flicks--and it's saying a lot that Morton is a fav of Sayles'--having the lead in the shortlived TV series Under One Roof, playing a memorable role as a former boxer turned transvestite on New York Undercover, or even his guest stint as Whitley's love interest on A Different World. Even his bit in Terminator 2 is memorable. The anguish he feels at what his work has caused for the future is palpable, and I hated to see the character die. It's a crime that Morton hasn't gotten the major roles and respect he deserves. He's done a lot of stuff, but never got to that A-list on TV or film. And while I'm really happy to see him get steady work on Eureka, and like the steadiness his character brings to that world, I keep hoping to see him get some meatier roles. That's especially true as long as the showrunners seem hesitant to give him a real life. Like I said, he's mayor now, but that angle's not explored, and I really dislike them killing off Kim--twice. And for those of you young 'un's who don't understand my praise of Morton, do yourself a favor and look up his great performances in the movie City of Hope (a John Sayles joint), the shortlived but well done TV series Tribeca (which co-starred Carl Lumbly and Lawrence Fishburne), and especially, the classic Sayles' film The Brother From Another Planet. That last, in which Morton plays an alien slave on the run, is an amazing performance given that he speaks not a word, and must convey everything with just his facial expressions and body language. I wonder if the Eureka showrunners really understand what a great asset they have in Morton...? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's one of the most underrated and underused actors working). But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this season--i keep seeing types in all the characters, main stars and guests. They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the characterizations just a bit... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy
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No every single worker, but the majority of them are. Carter was an exceptional police officer that got tapped for the job. Jo was a special weapons expert who wanted to do black ops. In the first couple of seasons she was trying to transfer out to do something else. They talked more about this stuff in the first 2 seasons but that storyline seemed to have faded. There is blatant product placement in the show. They mentioned it during on of the recaps during the show hiatus. There was also the deodorant that was used during the episode with the artificial sun. The product placement helps pay for the special effects. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: oh, so every single worker there is a genius? Well, I guess that would make it hard to be normal. Wonder why they don't have the same standards for the law enforcement? I also wonder why they don't have more security outside of the sheriff's office? I mean, one minute Carter's ticketing someone for double parking, the next he's trying to close a rupture in spacetime. And those uniforms: too Andy Griffith for me. And speaking of sheriff's accoutrements, have you noticed all the heavy handed Subaru in-episode advertising going on? Jo and Fargo kept saying Subaru Model over and over a couple of shows back. the new police cruiser is positioned so that the camera lingers over the Subaru decal quite a bit. I still find that type of obvious marketing irritating... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:02:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts To live in Eureka you must have a genius level and a security clearance. They never say how many people are regular people but often the spouses are not super geniuses. Everyone that lives there works for the company. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others
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The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
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I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom
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A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant
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Was the Manhattan Project for the A-bomb similar in terms of a town being built around the work being done there? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:58:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius. The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer. No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe
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That it was, as well as the town where the pilots who trained to deliver the first A-bombs lived. It was done primarily for security reasons. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:13:37 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Was the Manhattan Project for the A-bomb similar in terms of a town being built around the work being done there? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:58:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com
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So, Palo Alto needed regular people to get up and running? Now that they've spliced off from the other town, who collects their trash, runs their water treatment, performs pest control services, fixes gas mains, bakes their croissants, etc? Are all those services peformed by people with Masters and Phd's? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:08:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius. The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal
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Yup and a few other places as well. There's a place in Oregon that built a lot of the materials that went into A-bomb production. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Was the Manhattan Project for the A-bomb similar in terms of a town being built around the work being done there? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:58:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing
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(standing ovation) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:19:41 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts So, Palo Alto needed regular people to get up and running? Now that they've spliced off from the other town, who collects their trash, runs their water treatment, performs pest control services, fixes gas mains, bakes their croissants, etc? Are all those services peformed by people with Masters and Phd's? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:08:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius. The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require
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It could be a hobby for him and not an occupation. Sort of like a volunteer fire department. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: good point Tracey. You summed up perfectly how a show like that must work. Now personally, if I were writing the show, I'd have a lot more normal people in the populace. Indeed, I think the leaning toward so many cliched geeks is what sometimes hampers the writing of the show. Thus, our conversation about Zoe acting less like a self-important geek toward her dad being a preferred treatment of her character. Like you said, in real life the majority of the town would be normal--at least, if it functions as a real town. If it's just some kind of camp or giant campus with houses, that'd be a different matter. I still would like to see some more normals added, or more normalizing storylines for some of the people. I guess that's why I'd really like to see Henry have something else to do. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:27:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor
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If we followed Sam the janitor around that would be called reality tv and would probably be boring. Sam the triple Phd with the desegregation ray would be scifi. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: As I said, I live in such a place. Redmond AKA Microsoft city is such a place and to a lesser degree Bellevue is too.The company is HUGE and dominates everything here. My sister-in-law says its kind of creepy seeing all the Microsoft buses, cars, signs, vans, coffee shops, the mall, the downtown shopping district, townhouses,childcare, apartments, beauty salons, restaurants, etc and people with the ids on car windows everywhere we go. The place has influence or actually runs pretty much everything here. So, I do not really need a history, I live it. All I have to do is step outside the house Perhaps, what we disagree that TV Fiction rarely portrays settings, industries, career specialties, etc. intentionally take out many aspects of realism in them to accommodate the story *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:09 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino
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They are all looked at more of as the hired help. In university towns that can happen. There are a lot of people that live and work around Harvard that have a liberal arts or English history degree and can't find work! :) But on your topic, the people that have jobs like that may not be able to live in Palo Alto proper. Home prices are pretty steep (almost $1 million) for most of that city. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: So, Palo Alto needed regular people to get up and running? Now that they've spliced off from the other town, who collects their trash, runs their water treatment, performs pest control services, fixes gas mains, bakes their croissants, etc? Are all those services peformed by people with Masters and Phd's? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:08:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot
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So now we know where Joss Whedon got the idea for the Hellmouth... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:27:58 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts As I said, I live in such a place. Redmond AKA Microsoft city is such a place and to a lesser degree Bellevue is too.The company is HUGE and dominates everything here. My sister-in-law says its kind of creepy seeing all the Microsoft buses, cars, signs, vans, coffee shops, the mall, the downtown shopping district, townhouses,childcare, apartments, beauty salons, restaurants, etc and people with the ids on car windows everywhere we go. The place has influence or actually runs pretty much everything here. So, I do not really need a history, I live it. All I have to do is step outside the house Perhaps, what we disagree that TV Fiction rarely portrays settings, industries, career specialties, etc. intentionally take out many aspects of realism in them to accommodate the story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:09 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius. The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do
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As I said, I live in such a place. Redmond AKA Microsoft city is such a place and to a lesser degree Bellevue is too.The company is HUGE and dominates everything here. My sister-in-law says its kind of creepy seeing all the Microsoft buses, cars, signs, vans, coffee shops, the mall, the downtown shopping district, townhouses,childcare, apartments, beauty salons, restaurants, etc and people with the ids on car windows everywhere we go. The place has influence or actually runs pretty much everything here. So, I do not really need a history, I live it. All I have to do is step outside the house Perhaps, what we disagree that TV Fiction rarely portrays settings, industries, career specialties, etc. intentionally take out many aspects of realism in them to accommodate the story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:09 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services
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not to sound like a sycophant, but damn you come up with good one-liners! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:29:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts So now we know where Joss Whedon got the idea for the Hellmouth... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:27:58 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts As I said, I live in such a place. Redmond AKA Microsoft city is such a place and to a lesser degree Bellevue is too. The company is HUGE and dominates everything here. My sister-in-law says its kind of creepy seeing all the Microsoft buses, cars, signs, vans, coffee shops, the mall, the downtown shopping district, townhouses,childcare, apartments, beauty salons, restaurants, etc and people with the ids on car windows everywhere we go. The place has influence or actually runs pretty much everything here. So, I do not really need a history, I live it. All I have to do is step outside the house Perhaps, what we disagree that TV Fiction rarely portrays settings, industries, career specialties, etc. intentionally take out many aspects of realism in them to accommodate the story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:09 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s
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wow, i don't think I realized Redmond was like that! Do you walk down the streets thinking you're seeing Stepford Wives, or just geeks on every corner? What's the political leaning of the town in the main? How about the racial breakdown? Does it ultimately feel to you like a real town, or, like your sister-in-law, do you feel something a little off about it? You know, if you expand past high tech ventures and Eureka towns, the company town is actually a huge part of American history, especially since the Industrial Revolution. Stanley dominated the town around it, I used to co-op with Dow Chemical, which dominates Brazoria County, Texas (it had 10,000 of the locals as employees at its heyday). And of course so many towns and cities in the Rust Belt were company towns with a huge percentage of the populace working for one or two companies. So on that level, our conversation isn't that unusual. It's just the shift toward a discussion of high tech towns that's new. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:27:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts As I said, I live in such a place. Redmond AKA Microsoft city is such a place and to a lesser degree Bellevue is too. The company is HUGE and dominates everything here. My sister-in-law says its kind of creepy seeing all the Microsoft buses, cars, signs, vans, coffee shops, the mall, the downtown shopping district, townhouses,childcare, apartments, beauty salons, restaurants, etc and people with the ids on car windows everywhere we go. The place has influence or actually runs pretty much everything here. So, I do not really need a history, I live it. All I have to do is step outside the house Perhaps, what we disagree that TV Fiction rarely portrays settings, industries, career specialties, etc. intentionally take out many aspects of realism in them to accommodate the story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:09 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc
Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton
Hey what gives? No other love for Joe Morton? Surely I can't the only one who's seen The Brother from Another Planet, or who likes John Sayles?? :( - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:41:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton I can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to Eureka. Morton's one of those actors with a face and bearing you just trust and respect. He can play a likeable guy, a strong leader, a tortured and confused soul. I have followed him for years, whether it's been great turns in John Sayles flicks--and it's saying a lot that Morton is a fav of Sayles'--having the lead in the shortlived TV series Under One Roof, playing a memorable role as a former boxer turned transvestite on New York Undercover, or even his guest stint as Whitley's love interest on A Different World. Even his bit in Terminator 2 is memorable. The anguish he feels at what his work has caused for the future is palpable, and I hated to see the character die. It's a crime that Morton hasn't gotten the major roles and respect he deserves. He's done a lot of stuff, but never got to that A-list on TV or film. And while I'm really happy to see him get steady work on Eureka, and like the steadiness his character brings to that world, I keep hoping to see him get some meatier roles. That's especially true as long as the showrunners seem hesitant to give him a real life. Like I said, he's mayor now, but that angle's not explored, and I really dislike them killing off Kim--twice. And for those of you young 'un's who don't understand my praise of Morton, do yourself a favor and look up his great performances in the movie City of Hope (a John Sayles joint), the shortlived but well done TV series Tribeca (which co-starred Carl Lumbly and Lawrence Fishburne), and especially, the classic Sayles' film The Brother From Another Planet. That last, in which Morton plays an alien slave on the run, is an amazing performance given that he speaks not a word, and must convey everything with just his facial expressions and body language. I wonder if the Eureka showrunners really understand what a great asset they have in Morton...? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's one of the most underrated and underused actors working). But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this season--i keep seeing types in all the characters, main stars and guests. They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the characterizations just a bit... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again
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It’s funny we are talking about this. We are thinking about leaving the Microsoft are and moving to the Bay Area. I was asking a business associate about some neighborhoods and she pointed out all these Microsoft like towns like Palo Alto. I find these places a little off-putting, cut off from culture and ironically people. They work hard to make them inviting and do a good job to a point. But I guess I’m just a city gal. Anyway, can’t wait to live in the city again. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:20 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts So, Palo Alto needed regular people to get up and running? Now that they've spliced off from the other town, who collects their trash, runs their water treatment, performs pest control services, fixes gas mains, bakes their croissants, etc? Are all those services peformed by people with Masters and Phd's? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:08:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A little more history: Back when they started the Xerox parc concept, it was basically Stanford university, and the people that worked there on one side of the freeway. On the other side was poor black and mexican folks (and hippies) that cleaned their houses and worked as janitors and did their yard work. In the late 70s they decided that the black and mexican part of Palo Alto was too much of a drain on the city's resources and created East Palo Alto. (known to anti drug agents everywhere) Here is a little info on Xerox Parc:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc Per capita, the majority of folks in Palo Alto, has the largest amount of MA degrees. But yes, you probably won't see anyone doing nano fusion energy experiments in their backyard anytime soon. :) But I think it does change the general flavor of the town considerably if everyone is well educated. For example, they may have a noble peace prize winner reading at their local barnes and noble. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I live in one of those towns. OK one town over. Microsoft is in Redmond. The whole town – practically everything, is set up around Microsoft . The existence of Eureka is not what I find unrealistic. How it operates is. That is necessary for TV. Fiction must be bigger, brighter, larger than life. I understand that. That was my point. That to expect that they would have a realistic representation of who would live in such a town is .. unrealistic of me. Most industries and settings are portrayed unrealistically on TV, so I should not expect a show like Eureka to do so. All those towns you mentioned, no matter how technically advanced, are likely to have regular folks—most likely more regular folks than geniuses. That being said, many may be the best of the best, but most of them are not geniuses. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The premise of the show is based on reality. A few large companies have towns similar to this. Palo Alto, California for example was the home of Xerox Parc back in the 1960s-70s. Xerox, IBM and others spent a large amount of money creating a live/work/play space for geniuses to co-mingle and create. A lot of the technology that was created there we are using. For example, the mouse, keyboard, monitor, font, network, Apple's GUI were all created there and promptly placed in their basement. :) There are similar places in Japan, and Europe. The combination of Xerox Parc and the surrounding companies and infrastructure helped to spawn the rest of the Silicon Valley. There are also company towns for example like Hershey, Penn. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM
RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton
I had the same fear. He had me at Brother From another Planet From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Augustus Augustus Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:03 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton Keith, i totally agree with u. in the ep where i thought they were going 2 write off his character (for either jail or making him leave eureka) i was ready 2 watch it. but they didnot and i am still a fan! he is absolutely GREAT in the role. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:41 PM Hey what gives? No other love for Joe Morton? Surely I can't the only one who's seen The Brother from Another Planet, or who likes John Sayles?? :( - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:41:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton I can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to Eureka. Morton's one of those actors with a face and bearing you just trust and respect. He can play a likeable guy, a strong leader, a tortured and confused soul. I have followed him for years, whether it's been great turns in John Sayles flicks--and it's saying a lot that Morton is a fav of Sayles'--having the lead in the shortlived TV series Under One Roof, playing a memorable role as a former boxer turned transvestite on New York Undercover, or even his guest stint as Whitley's love interest on A Different World. Even his bit in Terminator 2 is memorable. The anguish he feels at what his work has caused for the future is palpable, and I hated to see the character die. It's a crime that Morton hasn't gotten the major roles and respect he deserves. He's done a lot of stuff, but never got to that A-list on TV or film. And while I'm really happy to see him get steady work on Eureka, and like the steadiness his character brings to that world, I keep hoping to see him get some meatier roles. That's especially true as long as the showrunners seem hesitant to give him a real life. Like I said, he's mayor now, but that angle's not explored, and I really dislike them killing off Kim--twice. And for those of you young 'un's who don't understand my praise of Morton, do yourself a favor and look up his great performances in the movie City of Hope (a John Sayles joint), the shortlived but well done TV series Tribeca (which co-starred Carl Lumbly and Lawrence Fishburne), and especially, the classic Sayles' film The Brother From Another Planet. That last, in which Morton plays an alien slave on the run, is an amazing performance given that he speaks not a word, and must convey everything with just his facial expressions and body language. I wonder if the Eureka showrunners really understand what a great asset they have in Morton...? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's one of the most underrated and underused actors working). But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this season--i keep seeing types in all the characters, main stars and guests. They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the characterizations just a bit... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter
Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton
agreed! - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:02:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton Keith, i totally agree with u. in the ep where i thought they were going 2 write off his character (for either jail or making him leave eureka) i was ready 2 watch it. but they didnot and i am still a fan! he is absolutely GREAT in the role. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:41 PM Hey what gives? No other love for Joe Morton? Surely I can't the only one who's seen The Brother from Another Planet, or who likes John Sayles?? :( - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:41:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton I can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to Eureka. Morton's one of those actors with a face and bearing you just trust and respect. He can play a likeable guy, a strong leader, a tortured and confused soul. I have followed him for years, whether it's been great turns in John Sayles flicks--and it's saying a lot that Morton is a fav of Sayles'--having the lead in the shortlived TV series Under One Roof, playing a memorable role as a former boxer turned transvestite on New York Undercover, or even his guest stint as Whitley's love interest on A Different World. Even his bit in Terminator 2 is memorable. The anguish he feels at what his work has caused for the future is palpable, and I hated to see the character die. It's a crime that Morton hasn't gotten the major roles and respect he deserves. He's done a lot of stuff, but never got to that A-list on TV or film. And while I'm really happy to see him get steady work on Eureka, and like the steadiness his character brings to that world, I keep hoping to see him get some meatier roles. That's especially true as long as the showrunners seem hesitant to give him a real life. Like I said, he's mayor now, but that angle's not explored, and I really dislike them killing off Kim--twice. And for those of you young 'un's who don't understand my praise of Morton, do yourself a favor and look up his great performances in the movie City of Hope (a John Sayles joint), the shortlived but well done TV series Tribeca (which co-starred Carl Lumbly and Lawrence Fishburne), and especially, the classic Sayles' film The Brother From Another Planet. That last, in which Morton plays an alien slave on the run, is an amazing performance given that he speaks not a word, and must convey everything with just his facial expressions and body language. I wonder if the Eureka showrunners really understand what a great asset they have in Morton...? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's one of the most underrated and underused actors working). But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this season--i keep seeing types in all the characters, main stars and guests. They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the characterizations just a bit... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess
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amen! In fact, I'm gonna find that movie this weekend and check it out again! I'm a big John Sayles fan anyway. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:17:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton I had the same fear. He had me at Brother From another Planet From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Augustus Augustus Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:03 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton Keith, i totally agree with u. in the ep where i thought they were going 2 write off his character (for either jail or making him leave eureka) i was ready 2 watch it. but they didnot and i am still a fan! he is absolutely GREAT in the role. Fate. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:41 PM Hey what gives? No other love for Joe Morton? Surely I can't the only one who's seen The Brother from Another Planet, or who likes John Sayles?? :( - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:41:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts - Joe Morton I can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to Eureka. Morton's one of those actors with a face and bearing you just trust and respect. He can play a likeable guy, a strong leader, a tortured and confused soul. I have followed him for years, whether it's been great turns in John Sayles flicks--and it's saying a lot that Morton is a fav of Sayles'--having the lead in the shortlived TV series Under One Roof, playing a memorable role as a former boxer turned transvestite on New York Undercover, or even his guest stint as Whitley's love interest on A Different World. Even his bit in Terminator 2 is memorable. The anguish he feels at what his work has caused for the future is palpable, and I hated to see the character die. It's a crime that Morton hasn't gotten the major roles and respect he deserves. He's done a lot of stuff, but never got to that A-list on TV or film. And while I'm really happy to see him get steady work on Eureka, and like the steadiness his character brings to that world, I keep hoping to see him get some meatier roles. That's especially true as long as the showrunners seem hesitant to give him a real life. Like I said, he's mayor now, but that angle's not explored, and I really dislike them killing off Kim--twice. And for those of you young 'un's who don't understand my praise of Morton, do yourself a favor and look up his great performances in the movie City of Hope (a John Sayles joint), the shortlived but well done TV series Tribeca (which co-starred Carl Lumbly and Lawrence Fishburne), and especially, the classic Sayles' film The Brother From Another Planet. That last, in which Morton plays an alien slave on the run, is an amazing performance given that he speaks not a word, and must convey everything with just his facial expressions and body language. I wonder if the Eureka showrunners really understand what a great asset they have in Morton...? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's one of the most underrated and underused actors working). But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this season--i keep seeing types in all the characters, main stars and guests. They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above
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No, Keith, you're on the mark again. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:13:53 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Yeah, but back in the day that wasn't always taken as gay. Words like dandy were very common, and men of means in many periods were foppish, sniffing their snuff, wearing brightly colored clothes, all but swooning when excited or tired, etc. But nowadays that type of behaviour typically is construed--and often intended--as being gay. While I agree it doesn't *have* to mean that, the way H'Wood usually works, it usually does mean that. But maybe I'm wrong... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:29:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Has anyone seen the movie the Scarlet Pimpernel? (the 1970s version is unintentionally hilarious!) I think that is a good example of what Martin is referring to. There are guys that fall into that category, sort of an anti-macho category. Like Prince or David Spade for example. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental
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good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer. No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer). Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat
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For example, look at how men talked and acted just a century or so ago here. There's lots of talk about Abraham Lincoln being a closet gay because he slept in the same bed with a man who was a very good friend of his. Don't know about that, but back then, men sleeping in the same bed wasn't considered to be all that unusual in many circumstances. You're on the road, rooms are expensive, money's tight--you share a bed. Heck, I can recall even seeing old shows like The Three Stooges or Laurel and Hardy where men shared a bed because of funds and availability, and as a child, it *never* occurred to me that something was untoward. Back then, the humor in the scene was simply two dudes sharing a little bed, maybe one snoring and moving around too much for the other to sleep, but that was it. Nowadays, however, such scenes are fraught with suggestion, and usually played for jokes that all center around the men nervously proclaiming I'm not gay, i'm not enjoying this! to each other. Read letters from some men from the Civil War and Revolutionary War period. You'll see men say about their fellows, things like My heart races when he enters a room, so full of confidence is he, or, My love for you, dear fellow, is unbounded by anything, so much joy have you brought to me. These are usually men who are married with children. Now, were they on the downlow? I don't think so: passions like that were simply more openly expressed, and there wasn't the stigma of being perceived as gay so quickly. But let a man make a statement like that nowadays, and think anyone would just toss it off as normal? Doubtful. Look at all the countries in the world where men kissing each other on the checks is normal, where really warm embraces are nothing unusual. There are Middle Eastern and African countries where men hold hands in public, and it's considered to be absolutely fine. But not in America. Some of this I think is the difference in relationships between men and women. For most of recorded time, women have been seen as wives, mothers, and, sadly, all but servants in some countries. They're there to provide services, have kids, keep the house. But for most countries in most times, men haven't really been taught to see women as equals and real friends. They don't seek their advice in affairs of state, business, or war. In so many countries today, men don't hang out with women after dinner to chat about the world; rather, they retreat to hang with the fellows. That real bonding was left for men, who were out hunting, killing, building, and politicking together. So there seemed to be a bigger emphasis on that strong bond between men that was seen as normal. And I think some of the affection that could have gone to a woman who was respected as a friend as well as a mate, went to the men instead. Nowadays--in America at least--women have gained in respect and position. More men see women as equals, more men like me confide in our wives, seek out their advice in all things. Hell, if I were Prez, you can damn well bet my wife would be advising me on everything from healthcare to military policy! Not sure of all the reasons, but in the last century there's been a major shift in how sexuality is viewed in that way. What was once normal or amusing is now curious and suggestive. I even think of Morris Day: back in the day, he was just a bit of a dandy. now people say, Is Morris Day gay? and even guys who are gay now like to play up their behaviour. Shows like Will and Grace, Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, America's Top Model all showcase men who are extremely stereotyped in their mannerisms. So, my long-winded feeling is that, even if Vincent isn't gay, the way he's acting, people will perceive him as such. When he waves his hands and says I'm NOT going to be offended you didn't ask me to do your wedding cake! one wonders, and I can't believe that's an accidental thing. The truth is most Americans nowadays will thing gay. - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:13:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Yeah, but back in the day that wasn't always taken as gay. Words like dandy were very common, and men of means in many periods were foppish, sniffing their snuff, wearing brightly colored clothes, all but swooning when excited or tired, etc. But nowadays that type of behaviour typically is construed--and often intended--as being gay. While I agree it doesn't *have* to mean that, the way H'Wood usually works, it usually does mean that. But maybe I'm wrong... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:29:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Has anyone seen the movie the Scarlet Pimpernel
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To live in Eureka you must have a genius level and a security clearance. They never say how many people are regular people but often the spouses are not super geniuses. Everyone that lives there works for the company. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka
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Found this on the Web from a synopsis someone wrote of one Eureka ep. Now that I read it, I remember that scene... h ttp://www.recapist.com/2007/08/01/eureka-episode-204-games-people-play E ureka - Episode 204 - Games People Play ...Carter's once again having A Very Bad Day, and that's before everyone he cares about starts disappearing on him. First, it's Jo, who disappears on him mid-conversation while moving around the desks in the sheriff's office. When Jack heads over to Cafe Diem to ask if anyone's seen her, he learns two important things: Vincent's gay (or at the very least flexisexual) and nobody's heard of Jo. [When Carter asks about his deputy, Jo, Vincent appears to assume that's a man, Joe] Vincent's pink shirt might have been a tipoff about the flexisexual thing, but the Is he cute? response to Jack's query about his new deputy seals the deal. The thing about nobody remembering Jo (Jack: I have a deputy named Jo Lupo -- small but surprisingly strong, a bit of a gun nut) is more of a shock, frankly. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:23:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem
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oh, so every single worker there is a genius? Well, I guess that would make it hard to be normal. Wonder why they don't have the same standards for the law enforcement? I also wonder why they don't have more security outside of the sheriff's office? I mean, one minute Carter's ticketing someone for double parking, the next he's trying to close a rupture in spacetime. And those uniforms: too Andy Griffith for me. And speaking of sheriff's accoutrements, have you noticed all the heavy handed Subaru in-episode advertising going on? Jo and Fargo kept saying Subaru Model over and over a couple of shows back. the new police cruiser is positioned so that the camera lingers over the Subaru decal quite a bit. I still find that type of obvious marketing irritating... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:02:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts To live in Eureka you must have a genius level and a security clearance. They never say how many people are regular people but often the spouses are not super geniuses. Everyone that lives there works for the company. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer. No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people
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I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius.The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show
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Keith, I figure that to be the Product of the Season. One season, we were bombarded with Degree ads left and right. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:42:31 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts oh, so every single worker there is a genius? Well, I guess that would make it hard to be normal. Wonder why they don't have the same standards for the law enforcement? I also wonder why they don't have more security outside of the sheriff's office? I mean, one minute Carter's ticketing someone for double parking, the next he's trying to close a rupture in spacetime. And those uniforms: too Andy Griffith for me. And speaking of sheriff's accoutrements, have you noticed all the heavy handed Subaru in-episode advertising going on? Jo and Fargo kept saying Subaru Model over and over a couple of shows back. the new police cruiser is positioned so that the camera lingers over the Subaru decal quite a bit. I still find that type of obvious marketing irritating... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:02:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts To live in Eureka you must have a genius level and a security clearance. They never say how many people are regular people but often the spouses are not super geniuses. Everyone that lives there works for the company. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter
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As do I. Live and learn, as my friend Lily told me... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:26:47 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Found this on the Web from a synopsis someone wrote of one Eureka ep. Now that I read it, I remember that scene...http://www.recapist.com/2007/08/01/eureka-episode-204-games-people-play Eureka - Episode 204 - Games People Play...Carter's once again having A Very Bad Day, and that's before everyone he cares about starts disappearing on him. First, it's Jo, who disappears on him mid-conversation while moving around the desks in the sheriff's office. When Jack heads over to Cafe Diem to ask if anyone's seen her, he learns two important things: Vincent's gay (or at the very least flexisexual) and nobody's heard of Jo. [When Carter asks about his deputy, Jo, Vincent appears to assume that's a man, Joe] Vincent's pink shirt might have been a tipoff about the flexisexual thing, but the Is he cute? response to Jack's query about his new deputy seals the deal. The thing about nobody remembering Jo (Jack: I have a deputy named Jo Lupo -- small but surprisingly strong, a bit of a gun nut) is more of a shock, frankly. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:23:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts
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Less tha a red shirt? That is priceless! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:56:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I thought about that. Based on how they present the show, I think there are very few none-geniuses in the town. While that is unrealistic, the whole premise is unrealistic. Other than Joe and Carter and an rare visitor, they never show acknowledged normals. In all of Zoe’s school scenes they painted her as the only unidentified genius. The janitors, baby store owners, restaurateurs, all are painted as geniuses. If there are non-geniuses in the script, they are less than red shirts. They do not even get lines and also do not get dramatic deaths. Never thought there would be anything less than a red shirt From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer. No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date
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Sent too soon... I remarked the pink shirt only so far as to marvel at his courage for sporting it. In another forum (SiffyBoards, if memory serves), someone did call him gay for it, and I had to post, in reply, a story I once read on the BBC's news page, explaining that, in many Asian cultures, pink is considered a masculine color, as it blends red for courage and white for purity and spirituality. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:26:47 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Found this on the Web from a synopsis someone wrote of one Eureka ep. Now that I read it, I remember that scene...http://www.recapist.com/2007/08/01/eureka-episode-204-games-people-play Eureka - Episode 204 - Games People Play...Carter's once again having A Very Bad Day, and that's before everyone he cares about starts disappearing on him. First, it's Jo, who disappears on him mid-conversation while moving around the desks in the sheriff's office. When Jack heads over to Cafe Diem to ask if anyone's seen her, he learns two important things: Vincent's gay (or at the very least flexisexual) and nobody's heard of Jo. [When Carter asks about his deputy, Jo, Vincent appears to assume that's a man, Joe] Vincent's pink shirt might have been a tipoff about the flexisexual thing, but the Is he cute? response to Jack's query about his new deputy seals the deal. The thing about nobody remembering Jo (Jack: I have a deputy named Jo Lupo -- small but surprisingly strong, a bit of a gun nut) is more of a shock, frankly. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:23:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah
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Yeah, true. The worst so far for me is the Stride Gum ad that was an episode of Smallville. Remember, it was the *terrible* episode that saw the return of Pete Ross, the token, underused black character on the show. There was a plant that was infusing Green K essence into the gum. Pete would chew a stick and then gain stretching powers a la Mr. Fantastic. Silly show, not just because they brought back Pete to give him another lame storyline, not just because it made one ask again how it is that Green K is omnipresent in Smallville yet still mostlysecret from the outside world . But silly because it was a horrible commercial, horribly writ. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:31:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I figure that to be the Product of the Season. One season, we were bombarded with Degree ads left and right. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:42:31 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts oh, so every single worker there is a genius? Well, I guess that would make it hard to be normal. Wonder why they don't have the same standards for the law enforcement? I also wonder why they don't have more security outside of the sheriff's office? I mean, one minute Carter's ticketing someone for double parking, the next he's trying to close a rupture in spacetime. And those uniforms: too Andy Griffith for me. And speaking of sheriff's accoutrements, have you noticed all the heavy handed Subaru in-episode advertising going on? Jo and Fargo kept saying Subaru Model over and over a couple of shows back. the new police cruiser is positioned so that the camera lingers over the Subaru decal quite a bit. I still find that type of obvious marketing irritating... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:02:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts To live in Eureka you must have a genius level and a security clearance. They never say how many people are regular people but often the spouses are not super geniuses. Everyone that lives there works for the company. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer. No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto
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Agreed, sometimes clothing choices are just like hairstyles: it simply depends on the culture as to what they mean. For example, as a child, I could *never* get one single adult to explain to me why long hair on men was considered unsightly, yet every Sunday I worshiped the Son of God whose pictures all showed hair flowing down past his neck. Nor, why we'd all sit around watching BW movies about manly men who were pirates and rogues and Arabian princes and the like, all with earrings, yet when men started piercing their ears in the modern era, it was assumed they were gay. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:36:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Sent too soon... I remarked the pink shirt only so far as to marvel at his courage for sporting it. In another forum (SiffyBoards, if memory serves), someone did call him gay for it, and I had to post, in reply, a story I once read on the BBC's news page, explaining that, in many Asian cultures, pink is considered a masculine color, as it blends red for courage and white for purity and spirituality. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:26:47 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Found this on the Web from a synopsis someone wrote of one Eureka ep. Now that I read it, I remember that scene... h ttp://www.recapist.com/2007/08/01/eureka-episode-204-games-people-play Eureka - Episode 204 - Games People Play ...Carter's once again having A Very Bad Day, and that's before everyone he cares about starts disappearing on him. First, it's Jo, who disappears on him mid-conversation while moving around the desks in the sheriff's office. When Jack heads over to Cafe Diem to ask if anyone's seen her, he learns two important things: Vincent's gay (or at the very least flexisexual) and nobody's heard of Jo. [When Carter asks about his deputy, Jo, Vincent appears to assume that's a man, Joe] Vincent's pink shirt might have been a tipoff about the flexisexual thing, but the Is he cute? response to Jack's query about his new deputy seals the deal. The thing about nobody remembering Jo (Jack: I have a deputy named Jo Lupo -- small but surprisingly strong, a bit of a gun nut) is more of a shock, frankly. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:23:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many
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Well stated, my friend And, as for the last statement, brand it another triumph for American logic. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:26:51 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts For example, look at how men talked and acted just a century or so ago here. There's lots of talk about Abraham Lincoln being a closet gay because he slept in the same bed with a man who was a very good friend of his. Don't know about that, but back then, men sleeping in the same bed wasn't considered to be all that unusual in many circumstances. You're on the road, rooms are expensive, money's tight--you share a bed. Heck, I can recall even seeing old shows like The Three Stooges or Laurel and Hardy where men shared a bed because of funds and availability, and as a child, it *never* occurred to me that something was untoward. Back then, the humor in the scene was simply two dudes sharing a little bed, maybe one snoring and moving around too much for the other to sleep, but that was it. Nowadays, however, such scenes are fraught with suggestion, and usually played for jokes that all center around the men nervously proclaiming I'm not gay, i'm not enjoying this! to each other. Read letters from some men from the Civil War and Revolutionary War period. You'll see men say about their fellows, things like My heart races when he enters a room, so full of confidence is he, or, My love for you, dear fellow, is unbounded by anything, so much joy have you brought to me. These are usually men who are married with children. Now, were they on the downlow? I don't think so: passions like that were simply more openly expressed, and there wasn't the stigma of being perceived as gay so quickly. But let a man make a statement like that nowadays, and think anyone would just toss it off as normal? Doubtful. Look at all the countries in the world where men kissing each other on the checks is normal, where really warm embraces are nothing unusual. There are Middle Eastern and African countries where men hold hands in public, and it's considered to be absolutely fine. But not in America. Some of this I think is the difference in relationships between men and women. For most of recorded time, women have been seen as wives, mothers, and, sadly, all but servants in some countries. They're there to provide services, have kids, keep the house. But for most countries in most times, men haven't really been taught to see women as equals and real friends. They don't seek their advice in affairs of state, business, or war. In so many countries today, men don't hang out with women after dinner to chat about the world; rather, they retreat to hang with the fellows. That real bonding was left for men, who were out hunting, killing, building, and politicking together. So there seemed to be a bigger emphasis on that strong bond between men that was seen as normal. And I think some of the affection that could have gone to a woman who was respected as a friend as well as a mate, went to the men instead. Nowadays--in America at least--women have gained in respect and position. More men see women as equals, more men like me confide in our wives, seek out their advice in all things. Hell, if I were Prez, you can damn well bet my wife would be advising me on everything from healthcare to military policy! Not sure of all the reasons, but in the last century there's been a major shift in how sexuality is viewed in that way. What was once normal or amusing is now curious and suggestive. I even think of Morris Day: back in the day, he was just a bit of a dandy. now people say, Is Morris Day gay? and even guys who are gay now like to play up their behaviour. Shows like Will and Grace, Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, America's Top Model all showcase men who are extremely stereotyped in their mannerisms. So, my long-winded feeling is that, even if Vincent isn't gay, the way he's acting, people will perceive him as such. When he waves his hands and says I'm NOT going to be offended you didn't ask me to do your wedding cake! one wonders, and I can't believe that's an accidental thing. The truth is most Americans nowadays will thing gay. - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:13:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Yeah, but back in the day that wasn't always taken as gay. Words like dandy were very common, and men of means in many periods were foppish, sniffing their snuff, wearing brightly colored clothes, all but swooning when excited or tired, etc. But nowadays
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Agreed. Now, go find somewhere and let out the scream of terror and loathing building inside you after having to post that. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:48:32 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Yeah, true. The worst so far for me is the Stride Gum ad that was an episode of Smallville. Remember, it was the *terrible* episode that saw the return of Pete Ross, the token, underused black character on the show. There was a plant that was infusing Green K essence into the gum. Pete would chew a stick and then gain stretching powers a la Mr. Fantastic. Silly show, not just because they brought back Pete to give him another lame storyline, not just because it made one ask again how it is that Green K is omnipresent in Smallville yet still mostlysecret from the outside world. But silly because it was a horrible commercial, horribly writ. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:31:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I figure that to be the Product of the Season. One season, we were bombarded with Degree ads left and right. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:42:31 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts oh, so every single worker there is a genius? Well, I guess that would make it hard to be normal. Wonder why they don't have the same standards for the law enforcement? I also wonder why they don't have more security outside of the sheriff's office? I mean, one minute Carter's ticketing someone for double parking, the next he's trying to close a rupture in spacetime. And those uniforms: too Andy Griffith for me. And speaking of sheriff's accoutrements, have you noticed all the heavy handed Subaru in-episode advertising going on? Jo and Fargo kept saying Subaru Model over and over a couple of shows back. the new police cruiser is positioned so that the camera lingers over the Subaru decal quite a bit. I still find that type of obvious marketing irritating... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:02:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts To live in Eureka you must have a genius level and a security clearance. They never say how many people are regular people but often the spouses are not super geniuses. Everyone that lives there works for the company. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: good point. I guess the question is, how many people in Eureka are geniuses? Even in a small town you have a lot of basic services that don't require scientists and engineers. I mean, i know they love to show that even the people who collect trash or work in sewage plants are geniuses who use high tech devices to do their work. But, even if the heads of waste management, water works, HVAC, etc., were big brains, would *all* the people who work with and for them be so? Just as Jo and Carter, who serve the people, are not geniuses, wouldn't there be a decent number of people in jobs who are just normal in intelligence? I know there was one dry cleaner--a brief love interest for Carter--who had some kind of high tech cleaning system. But if she needed a couple of workers to help her with the clothes, would they have to be geniuses too? Are all the assistants at pizza parlors, doughnut shops, flower shops, HVAC repair, the movie theatre, etc., big brains? Is every janitor at GD--and I see alot of them, slinging those buckets and mops, 'cause they're almost like Star Trek redshirts in being used for cannon fodder--brilliant? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:58:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay
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This country is notoriously homophobic so more than likely they won't be persuing that angle. Its also possible that the actor that plays Fargo is gay but not the character. Unfortunately, Fargo will probably remain as a staple on the show. It is his technology that makes up the house and other key things on the show. I think that they also use him some people in the audience will have someone to identify with. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Fargo has a girlfriend. He had a major crush on Jo, and this woman who had a crush on him, took Jo’s form. When he discovered he was connecting with the Doppelganger, they hooked up and went off into the sunset. He still could be gay or bi, but it does not look like they are pursuing that angle *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:48 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry
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I actually don’t mind him, but those side storylines like him neglecting and passing over his AI car for a better one and the episode with the area 51 rivalry was horrible. However, you are probably right and some demographic study told them that the young white males that they are after like those silly storylines. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:03 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts This country is notoriously homophobic so more than likely they won't be persuing that angle. Its also possible that the actor that plays Fargo is gay but not the character. Unfortunately, Fargo will probably remain as a staple on the show. It is his technology that makes up the house and other key things on the show. I think that they also use him some people in the audience will have someone to identify with. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Fargo has a girlfriend. He had a major crush on Jo, and this woman who had a crush on him, took Jo’s form. When he discovered he was connecting with the Doppelganger, they hooked up and went off into the sunset. He still could be gay or bi, but it does not look like they are pursuing that angle From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I
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Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they stay on track From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's only the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc
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Mr Worf, if the blurb trailer for the show is to be believed, then Taggart (Animal Guy) is going to make an appearance this season. And Zane looked none too overjoyed at it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:47:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top
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Keith, I'm with you on all of your points. As for why they wrote out Stark's character -- the only thing I can think of is that he got tired of the role. They weren't really giving him much to do with it. I've since seen him on a liquor commercial, but not True Blood, as I don't have HBO and am not a fan of the show. As for Carter's security clearance, that makes no sense to me, either. Feels as though the writers didn't take the extra step in the thought process, simply left it at the supposition that a town sheriff shouldn't have access to top secrets, even if most of those top secrets are the cause of most of the troubles he has to deal with. I half-hoped that, as the series went on, there would be a point at which such was recognized, he would be bumped up If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:52:34 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's only the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret discussions. Is it logical, therefore, for his clearance to be relatively low? _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009
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Same here. I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible in the short-term From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I'm also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I'm not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. Let's hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they stay on track From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him
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That's good to hear. I liked him and the psychologist much better than the boyfriend and the sister From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:41 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Mr Worf, if the blurb trailer for the show is to be believed, then Taggart (Animal Guy) is going to make an appearance this season. And Zane looked none too overjoyed at it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:47:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including
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I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone
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Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer). Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat. I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I think moving her into the café was a good move From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. b r* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been
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Bring back Hewitt! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer). Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat. I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I think moving her into the café was a good move From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. b r* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's only the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret discussions
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fargo is great as long as they tone down his cliched nerdiness. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:02:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts This country is notoriously homophobic so more than likely they won't be persuing that angle. Its also possible that the actor that plays Fargo is gay but not the character. Unfortunately, Fargo will probably remain as a staple on the show. It is his technology that makes up the house and other key things on the show. I think that they also use him some people in the audience will have someone to identify with. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Fargo has a girlfriend. He had a major crush on Jo, and this woman who had a crush on him, took Jo’s form. When he discovered he was connecting with the Doppelganger, they hooked up and went off into the sunset. He still could be gay or bi, but it does not look like they are pursuing that angle From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left
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You don't like Fargo? Ha-ha! I hear you, though: like most cliches, Fargo pushes things a bit much. When they back off just a bit and let him appear to be more normal, he's much more effective. What did you think about Max Headroom playing the Aussie Great White Hunter? He's coming back for at least a guest shot soon. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:25:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they stay on track From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's only the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which usually means he's finally brought
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I'm very glad nothing came of that. I really like Tess, she's much more of a cool person underneath that exteriour. She has the unique ability to be gruff and rough and dismissive, then look at Carter with a very tender look that shows a person underneath who can really connect with someone. In short, she makes good goo-goo eyes, something that caught me off guard. She too was a bit of a cliche: the teasing, joking woman who likes to put down Carter. I thought oh not another cliche! but then they added layers to her. The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's one of the most underrated and underused actors working). But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this season--i keep seeing types in all the characters, main stars and guests. They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the characterizations just a bit... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they stay on track From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like
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Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer).Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat. I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I think moving her into the café was a good move From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. b r
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Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him
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Has anyone seen the movie the Scarlet Pimpernel? (the 1970s version is unintentionally hilarious!) I think that is a good example of what Martin is referring to. There are guys that fall into that category, sort of an anti-macho category. Like Prince or David Spade for example. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence
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Her son is in another dimension or something. They showed him turning into nothing and disappearing. Stark was there in a biohazard suit when it happened. I agree that the guy that runs the cafe is gay. Speaking of gay stuff. I was watching Current tv last week and they did a segment on subtle gay images in commercials. For example, there is a commercial running with Priceline where there are 4 guys on a golf course and the Priceline hovercraft lands on the golf course and the guy hands them a check (except for one guy). One guy had the gay flag on his golf bag and was wearing a polo shirt for gay rights group. They gave a few other examples that if you didn't know you wouldn't have noticed it. I thought it was fascinating how they were communicating this other language. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see
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I liked Lexy in the end, but that was when they stopped the fake put down spats. I liked her and her boyfriend as well. The problem with these manufactured fights, is that the character is not confrontational. He is nuanced in his approach to problems. So when they create these weak manufactured conflicts, they fall flat From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer).Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat. I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I think moving her into the café was a good move From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. b r* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her
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It when they pigeonhole characters, the ruin them. Fargo is one of those characters From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:51 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts fargo is great as long as they tone down his cliched nerdiness. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:02:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts This country is notoriously homophobic so more than likely they won't be persuing that angle. Its also possible that the actor that plays Fargo is gay but not the character. Unfortunately, Fargo will probably remain as a staple on the show. It is his technology that makes up the house and other key things on the show. I think that they also use him some people in the audience will have someone to identify with. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Fargo has a girlfriend. He had a major crush on Jo, and this woman who had a crush on him, took Jo’s form. When he discovered he was connecting with the Doppelganger, they hooked up and went off into the sunset. He still could be gay or bi, but it does not look like they are pursuing that angle From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter
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I like Fargo. I don’t like the silly side stories they gave him a few weeks ago. Bowling and Car Love. Max headroom’s accent irked me, but his character grew on me From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:46 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts You don't like Fargo? Ha-ha! I hear you, though: like most cliches, Fargo pushes things a bit much. When they back off just a bit and let him appear to be more normal, he's much more effective. What did you think about Max Headroom playing the Aussie Great White Hunter? He's coming back for at least a guest shot soon. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:25:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they stay on track From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort
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Zoe being a genius did not bother me. I liked it. Zoe putting down her dads intellect irked me. Most kids I know who are smarter than their parents are more protective of their egos. Additionally, Carter has saved the town with his odd sort of fly by the hips smarts to earn the respect of all--- most particularly his own daughter. It was another contrivance for conflict. Frankly, she was a teenager, they did not need her intellect to be a source of conflict. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 3:16 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts OK Keith, dont get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jos boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer).Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat. I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I think moving her into the café was a good move From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady
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They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's one of the most underrated and underused actors working). But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this season--i keep seeing types in all the characters, main stars and guests. They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the characterizations just a bit... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they stay on track From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated
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All points well made, Tracey. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:40:44 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Zoe being a genius did not bother me. I liked it. Zoe putting down her dad’s intellect irked me. Most kids I know who are smarter than their parents are more protective of their egos. Additionally, Carter has saved the town with his odd sort of fly by the hips smarts to earn the respect of all--- most particularly his own daughter. It was another contrivance for conflict. Frankly, she was a teenager, they did not need her intellect to be a source of conflict. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 3:16 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer).Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat. I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I think moving her into the café was a good move From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed
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I always took that to be an homage to Steve Irwin, Deity rest him well. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:36:03 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I like Fargo. I don’t like the silly side stories they gave him a few weeks ago. Bowling and Car Love. Max headroom’s accent irked me, but his character grew on me From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:46 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts You don't like Fargo? Ha-ha! I hear you, though: like most cliches, Fargo pushes things a bit much. When they back off just a bit and let him appear to be more normal, he's much more effective. What did you think about Max Headroom playing the Aussie Great White Hunter? He's coming back for at least a guest shot soon. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:25:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they stay on track From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He
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Exactly, Mr Worf. (Though I avoid that '70 version out of respect for Leslie Howard's classic and mental self-preservation...) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:29:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Has anyone seen the movie the Scarlet Pimpernel? (the 1970s version is unintentionally hilarious!) I think that is a good example of what Martin is referring to. There are guys that fall into that category, sort of an anti-macho category. Like Prince or David Spade for example. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed
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I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer). Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat. I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I think moving her into the café was a good move From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly
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I don't know, he seems to be going a bit far. Lemme check the Net about him... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:23:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has
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Right said indeed. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:30:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I liked Lexy in the end, but that was when they stopped the fake put down spats. I liked her and her boyfriend as well. The problem with these manufactured fights, is that the character is not confrontational. He is nuanced in his approach to problems. So when they create these weak manufactured conflicts, they fall flat From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer). Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat. I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I think moving her into the café was a good move From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played
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oh damn I completely forgot about Deborah Farentino. She was great, especially that hot-you-want-her-but-fear-her thing she had going! What happened to her!? Eva Thorne was good too. Another one I hated to see leave. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's one of the most underrated and underused actors working). But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this season--i keep seeing types in all the characters, main stars and guests. They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the characterizations just a bit... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they stay on track From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless
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Agree with you on both comments. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:36:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I like Fargo. I don’t like the silly side stories they gave him a few weeks ago. Bowling and Car Love. Max headroom’s accent irked me, but his character grew on me From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:46 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts You don't like Fargo? Ha-ha! I hear you, though: like most cliches, Fargo pushes things a bit much. When they back off just a bit and let him appear to be more normal, he's much more effective. What did you think about Max Headroom playing the Aussie Great White Hunter? He's coming back for at least a guest shot soon. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:25:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they stay on track From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law
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Wow, intersesting. Did the show you watch mention the gay young man in an episode of the Batman animated series? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:25:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Her son is in another dimension or something. They showed him turning into nothing and disappearing. Stark was there in a biohazard suit when it happened. I agree that the guy that runs the cafe is gay. Speaking of gay stuff. I was watching Current tv last week and they did a segment on subtle gay images in commercials. For example, there is a commercial running with Priceline where there are 4 guys on a golf course and the Priceline hovercraft lands on the golf course and the guy hands them a check (except for one guy). One guy had the gay flag on his golf bag and was wearing a polo shirt for gay rights group. They gave a few other examples that if you didn't know you wouldn't have noticed it. I thought it was fascinating how they were communicating this other language. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter
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Yeah, but back in the day that wasn't always taken as gay. Words like dandy were very common, and men of means in many periods were foppish, sniffing their snuff, wearing brightly colored clothes, all but swooning when excited or tired, etc. But nowadays that type of behaviour typically is construed--and often intended--as being gay. While I agree it doesn't *have* to mean that, the way H'Wood usually works, it usually does mean that. But maybe I'm wrong... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:29:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Has anyone seen the movie the Scarlet Pimpernel? (the 1970s version is unintentionally hilarious!) I think that is a good example of what Martin is referring to. There are guys that fall into that category, sort of an anti-macho category. Like Prince or David Spade for example. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they just don't love him back. The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible Legend of Earthsea miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand
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I can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to Eureka. Morton's one of those actors with a face and bearing you just trust and respect. He can play a likeable guy, a strong leader, a tortured and confused soul. I have followed him for years, whether it's been great turns in John Sayles flicks--and it's saying a lot that Morton is a fav of Sayles'--having the lead in the shortlived TV series Under One Roof, playing a memorable role as a former boxer turned transvestite on New York Undercover, or even his guest stint as Whitley's love interest on A Different World. Even his bit in Terminator 2 is memorable. The anguish he feels at what his work has caused for the future is palpable, and I hated to see the character die. It's a crime that Morton hasn't gotten the major roles and respect he deserves. He's done a lot of stuff, but never got to that A-list on TV or film. And while I'm really happy to see him get steady work on Eureka, and like the steadiness his character brings to that world, I keep hoping to see him get some meatier roles. That's especially true as long as the showrunners seem hesitant to give him a real life. Like I said, he's mayor now, but that angle's not explored, and I really dislike them killing off Kim--twice. And for those of you young 'un's who don't understand my praise of Morton, do yourself a favor and look up his great performances in the movie City of Hope (a John Sayles joint), the shortlived but well done TV series Tribeca (which co-starred Carl Lumbly and Lawrence Fishburne), and especially, the classic Sayles' film The Brother From Another Planet. That last, in which Morton plays an alien slave on the run, is an amazing performance given that he speaks not a word, and must convey everything with just his facial expressions and body language. I wonder if the Eureka showrunners really understand what a great asset they have in Morton...? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's one of the most underrated and underused actors working). But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this season--i keep seeing types in all the characters, main stars and guests. They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the characterizations just a bit... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's Dr Manly character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up sympathetically. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never
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Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more interesting. I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them. I liked the conflict they had between them fine before they mucked it up. Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that. Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me. When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes. So the mom and former teacher in me was not irked From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a normal teen is more interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated to see her leave. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Tracey and Keith, Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer).Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat. I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I think moving her into the café was a good move From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I
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A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's only the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret discussions. Is it logical, therefore, for his clearance to be relatively low?
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I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's only the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret discussions. Is it logical, therefore, for his clearance to be relatively low? -- Bringing diversity to
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I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they stay on track From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's only the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret discussions. Is it logical, therefore, for his clearance to be relatively low?
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OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent them from destroying the show rant. I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer).Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines kind of fall flat. I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I think moving her into the café was a good move From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. b r* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's only the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret discussions. Is it logical, therefore, for his clearance to be relatively low?
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Fargo has a girlfriend. He had a major crush on Jo, and this woman who had a crush on him, took Jo’s form. When he discovered he was connecting with the Doppelganger, they hooked up and went off into the sunset. He still could be gay or bi, but it does not look like they are pursuing that angle From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as the son, and the animal trainer guy. They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then they killed him again with a time paradox. Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give him many plots to participate in. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A couple more thoughts: * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the he's the dumbest guy in the room thing. * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that female voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Eureka Thoughts Everyone watching the new season of Eureka? I must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about Book sense, but no common sense. Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the Uh...English please? I'm clueless schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison then had to amend and say five days! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. Some other thoughts on the show: * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender side and sense and humour she has. * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on True Blood now. * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall? * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits to him without an escort. Okay, I
