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Don't feel badly, pal. I didn't get math until I was a frosh in high school. It amazed my trig/calculus teacher when I came back home with a sheepskin in the discipline... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:40:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Dude...Because ADD was unheard of when I was a kid, getting me to focus on math was probably a challenge for my teachers...Heck, Keith, I didn't grasp division until three years ago when I went to college...I would have taken more math classes if the classroom environment wasn't so distracting. Not that it was noisy, but during lectures, I would drift off musing of something the professor would say or write and miss most of the what was said after...Mind you, I have recently started ritalin again so it helps, but I learn better when I teach myself...I envy people like you who can assimilate math so easily...I would love to grasp it better because I love physics and other math-based sciences...So, alone in my room, I plug away at it until I master it enough to understand that 'secret languange' so I can speak and understand well! Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 12:04 AM Any of the math you like? I rather enjoyed trig. It was a revelation to me when I took it back in high school, the way one can calculate distances and heights based on simple formulae. And such a relief after having taken a year of geometry which seemed to be nothing but endless proofs--ugh! I still do trig in my head as much as possible just for grins. I loved calculus, especially differential calc because of its relationship to motion and stuff. I had to take a year and half of calc, and by the third course it got hairy, as I was then doing differential/ integral calc in all three dimensions, and in three different coordinate systems: Cartesian, cylindrical, and spherical. (this was needed for the electromagnetic theory courses I had to take). After that it was a year of differential equations, a year of linear algebra (Matrix algebra), which was fun. Every time I go back home to Texas I pull out some of those advanced math books and marvel I could do the work. I have notebooks where a single problem--writing the equations to describe the shape of an EM wave leaving an antenna, bouncing off a wall, and partially going through it--consists of two solid pages of math. I get the *concepts* still, but the actual math sometimes makes my head spin! Guess that's why writing is my first love... - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:25:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Come on, Martin...already got a complex about math... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:42 PM The writers ahve never seen quantum number theory in all its glory. Mind you, if they had, they'd be drooling into their water cups at the Home for the Insane. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:53:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series What didn't make sense was how could the same people exist over again and again? How can you have Starbuck exist multiple times with a ship of the exact same technology? That alone would be so astronomical that there isn't enough room on earth to have space for the zeros. Just the sheer randomness of the world allow us to exist. However even if you were to have the same people get together in chronological order over and over again to create you it may not happen. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:37 PM
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Dude...Because ADD was unheard of when I was a kid, getting me to focus on math was probably a challenge for my teachers...Heck, Keith, I didn't grasp division until three years ago when I went to college...I would have taken more math classes if the classroom environment wasn't so distracting. Not that it was noisy, but during lectures, I would drift off musing of something the professor would say or write and miss most of the what was said after...Mind you, I have recently started ritalin again so it helps, but I learn better when I teach myself...I envy people like you who can assimilate math so easily...I would love to grasp it better because I love physics and other math-based sciences...So, alone in my room, I plug away at it until I master it enough to understand that 'secret languange' so I can speak and understand well! Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 12:04 AM Any of the math you like? I rather enjoyed trig. It was a revelation to me when I took it back in high school, the way one can calculate distances and heights based on simple formulae. And such a relief after having taken a year of geometry which seemed to be nothing but endless proofs--ugh! I still do trig in my head as much as possible just for grins. I loved calculus, especially differential calc because of its relationship to motion and stuff. I had to take a year and half of calc, and by the third course it got hairy, as I was then doing differential/ integral calc in all three dimensions, and in three different coordinate systems: Cartesian, cylindrical, and spherical. (this was needed for the electromagnetic theory courses I had to take). After that it was a year of differential equations, a year of linear algebra (Matrix algebra), which was fun. Every time I go back home to Texas I pull out some of those advanced math books and marvel I could do the work. I have notebooks where a single problem--writing the equations to describe the shape of an EM wave leaving an antenna, bouncing off a wall, and partially going through it--consists of two solid pages of math. I get the *concepts* still, but the actual math sometimes makes my head spin! Guess that's why writing is my first love... - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:25:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Come on, Martin...already got a complex about math... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:42 PM The writers ahve never seen quantum number theory in all its glory. Mind you, if they had, they'd be drooling into their water cups at the Home for the Insane. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:53:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series What didn't make sense was how could the same people exist over again and again? How can you have Starbuck exist multiple times with a ship of the exact same technology? That alone would be so astronomical that there isn't enough room on earth to have space for the zeros. Just the sheer randomness of the world allow us to exist. However even if you were to have the same people get together in chronological order over and over again to create you it may not happen. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: That the cycle repeats over and over again is what I was thinking From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:35 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series They were saying that the original creator of the cylons was also a cylon in the original show. (Ti's wife which didn't fit.) They made it seem like it was probably
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Well, is this whole thing about having done it all before supposed to refer to alternative realities/possibilies, or a spiritual recycling of reality? If the latter, then that would explain away any scientific arguments--all you have to do then is believe in a god! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:42:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series The writers ahve never seen quantum number theory in all its glory. Mind you, if they had, they'd be drooling into their water cups at the Home for the Insane. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:53:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series What didn't make sense was how could the same people exist over again and again? How can you have Starbuck exist multiple times with a ship of the exact same technology? That alone would be so astronomical that there isn't enough room on earth to have space for the zeros. Just the sheer randomness of the world allow us to exist. However even if you were to have the same people get together in chronological order over and over again to create you it may not happen. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: That the cycle repeats over and over again is what I was thinking From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:35 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series They were saying that the original creator of the cylons was also a cylon in the original show. (Ti's wife which didn't fit.) They made it seem like it was probably something that happened or happens over and over again with humans. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: That it has happened before has got me too. I believe it is the tie in to BSG From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:30 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think that the show is interesting. It is nice to see part of the story being told that we haven't seen before. I am wondering if they are going to explain the it has happened before dialog that keeps popping up. Also the number of the advanced units were they patterned after the gods? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story
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In the last few years, I bought a house, lost my mother, my wife's mother, my sister has fought two bouts with cancer, I got a boss I despised at my old job, then lost that job because of him, spent most of a year unemployed, helped my older brother convalesce from back surgery, and had to deal with a diagnosis of Type 2 diabetes. Not to be depressing and all, but there were times I was pulled in so many directions, that even my years long Friday night scifi fix suffered. I catch an ep of BSG here, record one there, then just forget or get behind, never to catch back up. Also--and this is really major for me, the original fan of serious scifi--I think the BSG theme started weighing on me a bit. It's a great show with its serious tone, its dark themes. But I noticed that it always seemed i was trying to watch a recording of it at night, and the darkness of the show--literal and figurative--seemed to make me feel a bit down. I guess that's my typically long winded way of saying it was a bit heavy for me during times when i have dealt with a lot of emotional stress. Again, that's unheard for me. I kept up on the Stargates, Star Trek reruns, etc., but never got back to BSG. I think I'm at a point where I'm ready to catch up now. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:47:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Had I known what I know now, I probably would not have seen the Finale. Why did you miss the finale? You were one season behind right? You will probably like Caprica, because you do not have the bitter aftertaste of the finale. Lucky you. I think it’s a pretty good show. I’m a fan of Esai Morales and Eric Stolze, and they put some effort into this. Moore is not attached, as far as I know. So, despite its origins, I hope it does well Speaking of Enterprise. One storyline that surprised me in its depth was the ongoing saga with the Andorians and The captain’s evolving relationship with their leader. I really liked that From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I still haven't seen the BSG finale, so maybe I'll be immune? Caprica is being shown again tonight at 11 pm EST, right after a four hour marathon of Enterprise. The first half of that is the unfortunate time travel saga after the defeat of the Xindi, where the crew is blown back in time to a Nazi/alien occupied NYC. The second half is the good ep when Phlox is kidnapped by the Klingons in order to cure a mutated strain of the Augment DNA, which is changing its victims into the more human looking klingons of Kirk's early years. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:16:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date
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I agree. There was one season where it was heart wrenching to watch, but I also believe that it was necessary on some level. The best writing that they did in the entire series was during that time frame. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: In the last few years, I bought a house, lost my mother, my wife's mother, my sister has fought two bouts with cancer, I got a boss I despised at my old job, then lost that job because of him, spent most of a year unemployed, helped my older brother convalesce from back surgery, and had to deal with a diagnosis of Type 2 diabetes. Not to be depressing and all, but there were times I was pulled in so many directions, that even my years long Friday night scifi fix suffered. I catch an ep of BSG here, record one there, then just forget or get behind, never to catch back up. Also--and this is really major for me, the original fan of serious scifi--I think the BSG theme started weighing on me a bit. It's a great show with its serious tone, its dark themes. But I noticed that it always seemed i was trying to watch a recording of it at night, and the darkness of the show--literal and figurative--seemed to make me feel a bit down. I guess that's my typically long winded way of saying it was a bit heavy for me during times when i have dealt with a lot of emotional stress. Again, that's unheard for me. I kept up on the Stargates, Star Trek reruns, etc., but never got back to BSG. I think I'm at a point where I'm ready to catch up now. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:47:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Had I known what I know now, I probably would not have seen the Finale. Why did you miss the finale? You were one season behind right?You will probably like Caprica, because you do not have the bitter aftertaste of the finale. Lucky you. I think it’s a pretty good show. I’m a fan of Esai Morales and Eric Stolze, and they put some effort into this. Moore is not attached, as far as I know. So, despite its origins, I hope it does well Speaking of Enterprise. One storyline that surprised me in its depth was the ongoing saga with the Andorians and The captain’s evolving relationship with their leader. I really liked that *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:21 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I still haven't seen the BSG finale, so maybe I'll be immune? Caprica is being shown again tonight at 11 pm EST, right after a four hour marathon of Enterprise. The first half of that is the unfortunate time travel saga after the defeat of the Xindi, where the crew is blown back in time to a Nazi/alien occupied NYC. The second half is the good ep when Phlox is kidnapped by the Klingons in order to cure a mutated strain of the Augment DNA, which is changing its victims into the more human looking klingons of Kirk's early years. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:16:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica
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Wow. I guess I'll catch up on the last two seasons of BSG in the next few weeks. More later - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:16:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Don't count yourself that lucky, my friend. You're a man of discrimination and taste. You will throw up a little in your mouth at the viewing. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:21:10 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I still haven't seen the BSG finale, so maybe I'll be immune? Caprica is being shown again tonight at 11 pm EST, right after a four hour marathon of Enterprise. The first half of that is the unfortunate time travel saga after the defeat of the Xindi, where the crew is blown back in time to a Nazi/alien occupied NYC. The second half is the good ep when Phlox is kidnapped by the Klingons in order to cure a mutated strain of the Augment DNA, which is changing its victims into the more human looking klingons of Kirk's early years. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:16:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us
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Come on, Martin...already got a complex about math... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:42 PM The writers ahve never seen quantum number theory in all its glory. Mind you, if they had, they'd be drooling into their water cups at the Home for the Insane. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:53:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series What didn't make sense was how could the same people exist over again and again? How can you have Starbuck exist multiple times with a ship of the exact same technology? That alone would be so astronomical that there isn't enough room on earth to have space for the zeros. Just the sheer randomness of the world allow us to exist. However even if you were to have the same people get together in chronological order over and over again to create you it may not happen. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: That the cycle repeats over and over again is what I was thinking From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:35 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series They were saying that the original creator of the cylons was also a cylon in the original show. (Ti's wife which didn't fit.) They made it seem like it was probably something that happened or happens over and over again with humans. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: That it has happened before has got me too. I believe it is the tie in to BSG From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:30 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think that the show is interesting. It is nice to see part of the story being told that we haven't seen before. I am wondering if they are going to explain the it has happened before dialog that keeps popping up. Also the number of the advanced units were they patterned after the gods? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: ironpi...@.. . Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@. .., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode
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I can believe it. I'm looking forward to finally getting caught up. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:12:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I agree. There was one season where it was heart wrenching to watch, but I also believe that it was necessary on some level. The best writing that they did in the entire series was during that time frame. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: In the last few years, I bought a house, lost my mother, my wife's mother, my sister has fought two bouts with cancer, I got a boss I despised at my old job, then lost that job because of him, spent most of a year unemployed, helped my older brother convalesce from back surgery, and had to deal with a diagnosis of Type 2 diabetes. Not to be depressing and all, but there were times I was pulled in so many directions, that even my years long Friday night scifi fix suffered. I catch an ep of BSG here, record one there, then just forget or get behind, never to catch back up. Also--and this is really major for me, the original fan of serious scifi--I think the BSG theme started weighing on me a bit. It's a great show with its serious tone, its dark themes. But I noticed that it always seemed i was trying to watch a recording of it at night, and the darkness of the show--literal and figurative--seemed to make me feel a bit down. I guess that's my typically long winded way of saying it was a bit heavy for me during times when i have dealt with a lot of emotional stress. Again, that's unheard for me. I kept up on the Stargates, Star Trek reruns, etc., but never got back to BSG. I think I'm at a point where I'm ready to catch up now. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:47:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Had I known what I know now, I probably would not have seen the Finale. Why did you miss the finale? You were one season behind right? You will probably like Caprica, because you do not have the bitter aftertaste of the finale. Lucky you. I think it’s a pretty good show. I’m a fan of Esai Morales and Eric Stolze, and they put some effort into this. Moore is not attached, as far as I know. So, despite its origins, I hope it does well Speaking of Enterprise. One storyline that surprised me in its depth was the ongoing saga with the Andorians and The captain’s evolving relationship with their leader. I really liked that From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I still haven't seen the BSG finale, so maybe I'll be immune? Caprica is being shown again tonight at 11 pm EST, right after a four hour marathon of Enterprise. The first half of that is the unfortunate time travel saga after the defeat of the Xindi, where the crew is blown back in time to a Nazi/alien occupied NYC. The second half is the good ep when Phlox is kidnapped by the Klingons in order to cure a mutated strain of the Augment DNA, which is changing its victims into the more human looking klingons of Kirk's early years. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:16:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L
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Any of the math you like? I rather enjoyed trig. It was a revelation to me when I took it back in high school, the way one can calculate distances and heights based on simple formulae. And such a relief after having taken a year of geometry which seemed to be nothing but endless proofs--ugh! I still do trig in my head as much as possible just for grins. I loved calculus, especially differential calc because of its relationship to motion and stuff. I had to take a year and half of calc, and by the third course it got hairy, as I was then doing differential/integral calc in all three dimensions, and in three different coordinate systems: Cartesian, cylindrical, and spherical. (this was needed for the electromagnetic theory courses I had to take). After that it was a year of differential equations, a year of linear algebra (Matrix algebra), which was fun. Every time I go back home to Texas I pull out some of those advanced math books and marvel I could do the work. I have notebooks where a single problem--writing the equations to describe the shape of an EM wave leaving an antenna, bouncing off a wall, and partially going through it--consists of two solid pages of math. I get the *concepts* still, but the actual math sometimes makes my head spin! Guess that's why writing is my first love... - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:25:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Come on, Martin...already got a complex about math... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:42 PM The writers ahve never seen quantum number theory in all its glory. Mind you, if they had, they'd be drooling into their water cups at the Home for the Insane. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:53:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series What didn't make sense was how could the same people exist over again and again? How can you have Starbuck exist multiple times with a ship of the exact same technology? That alone would be so astronomical that there isn't enough room on earth to have space for the zeros. Just the sheer randomness of the world allow us to exist. However even if you were to have the same people get together in chronological order over and over again to create you it may not happen. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: That the cycle repeats over and over again is what I was thinking From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:35 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series They were saying that the original creator of the cylons was also a cylon in the original show. (Ti's wife which didn't fit.) They made it seem like it was probably something that happened or happens over and over again with humans. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: That it has happened before has got me too. I believe it is the tie in to BSG From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:30 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think that the show is interesting. It is nice to see part of the story being told that we haven't seen before. I am wondering if they are going to explain the it has happened before dialog that keeps popping up. Also the number of the advanced units were they patterned after the gods? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's
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It's better 'til you invest several seasons of your life getting attached to it only to have it ruined for sake of a convenient, neatly wrapped ending. Moore proved he was incapable of bringing the vision the close it deserved and betrayed what could have been the finest legacy in science fiction television period. At least with turds that start as turds and end as turds, you know you've got a turd. With BSG, we were promised something stunning and lead to believe for years that we get something stunning. In the end, we got a turd. Bosco --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:43 PM Its still better than Ghost Hunters or snakes and meteors movie of the week. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:35 PM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo. com wrote: Three. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: ironpi...@.. . Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@. .., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking. The futuristic technology isn't bad either. 2. A birth of AI story that feels original A lot of contemporary science fiction, from the Terminator franchise to Star Trek: The Next Generation, deals with what happens when we finally create AI. Will it rise up and destroy us ala Skynet or will it nerdily attempt to fit into human society ala Data? We've seen dozens of vengeful bots and dorky AIs, but a virtual religious zealot computer genius teen trapped inside the body of a killing machine made by her manipulative zillionaire father? Not only is the premise fresh, but so are a lot of the emotional and ethical issues it stirs up. 3. The Adama family Rarely has a family unit in science fiction been as interesting as the Adamas seem to be in Caprica. Trapped between two cultures, straddling the line between criminality and respectability, Joseph Adama is a character who has problems I want to know more about. Plus his brother Sam, a smalltime gangster with a heart of gold, is another guy I want to know better. I'm sold on the idea of gangsters on another planet. 4. Excellent acting With Essai Morales and Eric Stolz as our leads Joseph Adama and Daniel Graystone, it goes without saying that the acting in this show is going to rock
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Well put From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:21 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series It's better 'til you invest several seasons of your life getting attached to it only to have it ruined for sake of a convenient, neatly wrapped ending. Moore proved he was incapable of bringing the vision the close it deserved and betrayed what could have been the finest legacy in science fiction television period. At least with turds that start as turds and end as turds, you know you've got a turd. With BSG, we were promised something stunning and lead to believe for years that we get something stunning. In the end, we got a turd. Bosco --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:43 PM Its still better than Ghost Hunters or snakes and meteors movie of the week. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:35 PM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo. com wrote: Three. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: ironpi...@.. . Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@. .., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking. The futuristic technology isn't bad either. 2. A birth of AI story that feels original A lot of contemporary science fiction, from the Terminator franchise to Star Trek: The Next Generation, deals with what happens when we finally create AI. Will it rise up and destroy us ala Skynet or will it nerdily attempt to fit into human society ala Data? We've seen dozens of vengeful bots and dorky AIs, but a virtual religious zealot computer genius teen trapped inside the body of a killing machine made by her manipulative zillionaire father? Not only is the premise fresh, but so are a lot of the emotional and ethical issues it stirs up. 3. The Adama family Rarely has a family unit in science fiction been as interesting as the Adamas seem to be in Caprica. Trapped between two cultures, straddling the line between criminality and respectability, Joseph Adama is a character who has problems I want to know more about. Plus his brother Sam, a smalltime gangster with a heart of gold, is another guy I want to know better. I'm sold on the idea of gangsters on another planet. 4. Excellent acting
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The writers ahve never seen quantum number theory in all its glory. Mind you, if they had, they'd be drooling into their water cups at the Home for the Insane. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:53:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series What didn't make sense was how could the same people exist over again and again? How can you have Starbuck exist multiple times with a ship of the exact same technology? That alone would be so astronomical that there isn't enough room on earth to have space for the zeros. Just the sheer randomness of the world allow us to exist. However even if you were to have the same people get together in chronological order over and over again to create you it may not happen. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: That the cycle repeats over and over again is what I was thinking From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:35 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series They were saying that the original creator of the cylons was also a cylon in the original show. (Ti's wife which didn't fit.) They made it seem like it was probably something that happened or happens over and over again with humans. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: That it has happened before has got me too. I believe it is the tie in to BSG From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:30 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think that the show is interesting. It is nice to see part of the story being told that we haven't seen before. I am wondering if they are going to explain the it has happened before dialog that keeps popping up. Also the number of the advanced units were they patterned after the gods? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which
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That's one of my problems with Star Trek. Too many variations with the canon. Didn't the less human looking klingons develop after Kirk released the tribbles on a Klingon ship? A side effect of meds that were used to fight off some disease that resulted from the tribbles? On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I still haven't seen the BSG finale, so maybe I'll be immune? Caprica is being shown again tonight at 11 pm EST, right after a four hour marathon of Enterprise. The first half of that is the unfortunate time travel saga after the defeat of the Xindi, where the crew is blown back in time to a Nazi/alien occupied NYC. The second half is the good ep when Phlox is kidnapped by the Klingons in order to cure a mutated strain of the Augment DNA, which is changing its victims into the more human looking klingons of Kirk's early years. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:16:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking. The futuristic technology isn't bad either. 2. A birth of AI story that feels original A lot of contemporary science fiction, from the Terminator franchise to Star Trek
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Had I known what I know now, I probably would not have seen the Finale. Why did you miss the finale? You were one season behind right?You will probably like Caprica, because you do not have the bitter aftertaste of the finale. Lucky you. I think it’s a pretty good show. I’m a fan of Esai Morales and Eric Stolze, and they put some effort into this. Moore is not attached, as far as I know. So, despite its origins, I hope it does well Speaking of Enterprise. One storyline that surprised me in its depth was the ongoing saga with the Andorians and The captain’s evolving relationship with their leader. I really liked that From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I still haven't seen the BSG finale, so maybe I'll be immune? Caprica is being shown again tonight at 11 pm EST, right after a four hour marathon of Enterprise. The first half of that is the unfortunate time travel saga after the defeat of the Xindi, where the crew is blown back in time to a Nazi/alien occupied NYC. The second half is the good ep when Phlox is kidnapped by the Klingons in order to cure a mutated strain of the Augment DNA, which is changing its victims into the more human looking klingons of Kirk's early years. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:16:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists
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Don't count yourself that lucky, my friend. You're a man of discrimination and taste. You will throw up a little in your mouth at the viewing. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:21:10 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I still haven't seen the BSG finale, so maybe I'll be immune? Caprica is being shown again tonight at 11 pm EST, right after a four hour marathon of Enterprise. The first half of that is the unfortunate time travel saga after the defeat of the Xindi, where the crew is blown back in time to a Nazi/alien occupied NYC. The second half is the good ep when Phlox is kidnapped by the Klingons in order to cure a mutated strain of the Augment DNA, which is changing its victims into the more human looking klingons of Kirk's early years. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:16:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking
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Its still better than Ghost Hunters or snakes and meteors movie of the week. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:35 PM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking. The futuristic technology isn't bad either. 2. A birth of AI story that feels original A lot of contemporary science fiction, from the Terminator franchise to Star Trek: The Next Generation, deals with what happens when we finally create AI. Will it rise up and destroy us ala Skynet or will it nerdily attempt to fit into human society ala Data? We've seen dozens of vengeful bots and dorky AIs, but a virtual religious zealot computer genius teen trapped inside the body of a killing machine made by her manipulative zillionaire father? Not only is the premise fresh, but so are a lot of the emotional and ethical issues it stirs up. 3. The Adama family Rarely has a family unit in science fiction been as interesting as the Adamas seem to be in Caprica. Trapped between two cultures, straddling the line between criminality and respectability, Joseph Adama is a character who has problems I want to know more about. Plus his brother Sam, a smalltime gangster with a heart of gold, is another guy I want to know better. I'm sold on the idea of gangsters on another planet. 4. Excellent acting With Essai Morales and Eric Stolz as our leads Joseph Adama and Daniel Graystone, it goes without saying that the acting in this show is going to rock. (There was also a lot of terrific acting in BSG, so Caprica maintains the quality of this aspect of the franchise.) Sasha Roiz as Sam Adama is already terrific, as is Magda Apanowicz as Zoe Graystone's friend Lacy. Alessandra Torresani is probably the weakest link as Zoe - she's a little one-note - but she could improve over time. Given that this show hinges on personal drama as well as epic SF storytelling, it's crucial that the leads be able to show us subtle emotion and conflict - and damn, they are delivering. In the pilot, Stolz does a perfect job embodying a guy who is incredibly manipulative while also being sincere. 5. Drama that depends on science fictional plot points, but isn't completely focused on them I already suggested that drama is one of this show's strong points. One of the ways Caprica has already become
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IMO, Mr Worf, it's in the same category. I'll give the Snake Flick of the Week more leeway because I can at least have some fun tearing it to shreds. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:43:01 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Its still better than Ghost Hunters or snakes and meteors movie of the week. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:35 PM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking. The futuristic technology isn't bad either. 2. A birth of AI story that feels original A lot of contemporary science fiction, from the Terminator franchise to Star Trek: The Next Generation, deals with what happens when we finally create AI. Will it rise up and destroy us ala Skynet or will it nerdily attempt to fit into human society ala Data? We've seen dozens of vengeful bots and dorky AIs, but a virtual religious zealot computer genius teen trapped inside the body of a killing machine made by her manipulative zillionaire father? Not only is the premise fresh, but so are a lot of the emotional and ethical issues it stirs up. 3. The Adama family Rarely has a family unit in science fiction been as interesting as the Adamas seem to be in Caprica. Trapped between two cultures, straddling the line between criminality and respectability, Joseph Adama is a character who has problems I want to know more about. Plus his brother Sam, a smalltime gangster with a heart of gold, is another guy I want to know better. I'm sold on the idea of gangsters on another planet. 4. Excellent acting With Essai Morales and Eric Stolz as our leads Joseph Adama and Daniel Graystone, it goes without saying that the acting in this show is going to rock. (There was also a lot of terrific acting in BSG, so Caprica maintains the quality of this aspect of the franchise.) Sasha Roiz as Sam Adama is already terrific, as is Magda Apanowicz as Zoe Graystone's friend Lacy. Alessandra Torresani is probably the weakest link as Zoe - she's a little one-note
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I can't do that. Every time I see another stupid movie like snakes in a sub (last week's movie) it just burns me up. They wasted so much money on a stupid movie when they could have shot a series or extra episodes of a good show. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: IMO, Mr Worf, it's in the same category. I'll give the Snake Flick of the Week more leeway because I can at least have some fun tearing it to shreds. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:43:01 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Its still better than Ghost Hunters or snakes and meteors movie of the week. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:35 PM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking. The futuristic technology isn't bad either. 2. A birth of AI story that feels original A lot of contemporary science fiction, from the Terminator franchise to Star Trek: The Next Generation, deals with what happens when we finally create AI. Will it rise up and destroy us ala Skynet or will it nerdily attempt to fit into human society ala Data? We've seen dozens of vengeful bots and dorky AIs, but a virtual religious zealot computer genius teen trapped inside the body of a killing machine made by her manipulative zillionaire father? Not only is the premise fresh, but so are a lot of the emotional and ethical issues it stirs up. 3. The Adama family Rarely has a family unit in science fiction been as interesting as the Adamas seem to be in Caprica. Trapped between two cultures, straddling the line between criminality and respectability, Joseph Adama is a character who has problems I want to know more about. Plus his brother Sam, a smalltime gangster with a heart of gold, is another guy I want to know better. I'm sold on the idea of gangsters on another planet. 4. Excellent acting With Essai Morales and Eric Stolz as our leads Joseph Adama and Daniel Graystone, it goes without saying that the acting in this show is going
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I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking. The futuristic technology isn't bad either. 2. A birth of AI story that feels original A lot of contemporary science fiction, from the Terminator franchise to Star Trek: The Next Generation, deals with what happens when we finally create AI. Will it rise up and destroy us ala Skynet or will it nerdily attempt to fit into human society ala Data? We've seen dozens of vengeful bots and dorky AIs, but a virtual religious zealot computer genius teen trapped inside the body of a killing machine made by her manipulative zillionaire father? Not only is the premise fresh, but so are a lot of the emotional and ethical issues it stirs up. 3. The Adama family Rarely has a family unit in science fiction been as interesting as the Adamas seem to be in Caprica. Trapped between two cultures, straddling the line between criminality and respectability, Joseph Adama is a character who has problems I want to know more about. Plus his brother Sam, a smalltime gangster with a heart of gold, is another guy I want to know better. I'm sold on the idea of gangsters on another planet. 4. Excellent acting With Essai Morales and Eric Stolz as our leads Joseph Adama and Daniel Graystone, it goes without saying that the acting in this show is going to rock. (There was also a lot of terrific acting in BSG, so Caprica maintains the quality of this aspect of the franchise.) Sasha Roiz as Sam Adama is already terrific, as is Magda Apanowicz as Zoe Graystone's friend Lacy. Alessandra Torresani is probably the weakest link as Zoe - she's a little
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I think that the show is interesting. It is nice to see part of the story being told that we haven't seen before. I am wondering if they are going to explain the it has happened before dialog that keeps popping up. Also the number of the advanced units were they patterned after the gods? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking. The futuristic technology isn't bad either. 2. A birth of AI story that feels original A lot of contemporary science fiction, from the Terminator franchise to Star Trek: The Next Generation, deals with what happens when we finally create AI. Will it rise up and destroy us ala Skynet or will it nerdily attempt to fit into human society ala Data? We've seen dozens of vengeful bots and dorky AIs, but a virtual religious zealot computer genius teen trapped inside the body of a killing machine made by her manipulative zillionaire father? Not only is the premise fresh, but so are a lot of the emotional and ethical issues it stirs up. 3. The Adama family Rarely has a family unit in science fiction been as interesting as the Adamas seem to be in Caprica. Trapped between two cultures, straddling the line between criminality and respectability, Joseph Adama is a character who has problems I want to know more about. Plus his brother Sam, a smalltime gangster with a heart of gold, is another guy I want to know better. I'm sold on the idea of gangsters on another planet. 4. Excellent acting
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That it has happened before has got me too. I believe it is the tie in to BSG From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:30 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think that the show is interesting. It is nice to see part of the story being told that we haven't seen before. I am wondering if they are going to explain the it has happened before dialog that keeps popping up. Also the number of the advanced units were they patterned after the gods? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking. The futuristic technology isn't bad either. 2. A birth of AI story that feels original A lot of contemporary science fiction, from the Terminator franchise to Star Trek: The Next Generation, deals with what happens when we finally create AI. Will it rise up and destroy us ala Skynet or will it nerdily attempt to fit into human society ala Data? We've seen dozens of vengeful bots and dorky AIs, but a virtual religious zealot computer genius teen trapped inside the body of a killing machine made by her manipulative zillionaire father? Not only is the premise fresh, but so are a lot of the emotional and ethical issues it stirs up. 3. The Adama family Rarely has a family unit in science fiction been as interesting as the Adamas seem to be in Caprica. Trapped between two cultures, straddling the line between criminality and respectability, Joseph Adama is a character who has problems I want to know more about. Plus his brother
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They were saying that the original creator of the cylons was also a cylon in the original show. (Ti's wife which didn't fit.) They made it seem like it was probably something that happened or happens over and over again with humans. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: That it has happened before has got me too. I believe it is the tie in to BSG *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:30 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think that the show is interesting. It is nice to see part of the story being told that we haven't seen before. I am wondering if they are going to explain the it has happened before dialog that keeps popping up. Also the number of the advanced units were they patterned after the gods? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking. The futuristic technology isn't bad either. 2. A birth of AI story that feels original A lot of contemporary science fiction, from the Terminator franchise to Star Trek: The Next Generation, deals with what happens when we finally create AI. Will it rise up and destroy us ala Skynet or will it nerdily attempt to fit into human society ala Data? We've seen dozens of vengeful bots and dorky AIs, but a virtual religious zealot computer
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That the cycle repeats over and over again is what I was thinking From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:35 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series They were saying that the original creator of the cylons was also a cylon in the original show. (Ti's wife which didn't fit.) They made it seem like it was probably something that happened or happens over and over again with humans. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: That it has happened before has got me too. I believe it is the tie in to BSG From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:30 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think that the show is interesting. It is nice to see part of the story being told that we haven't seen before. I am wondering if they are going to explain the it has happened before dialog that keeps popping up. Also the number of the advanced units were they patterned after the gods? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking. The futuristic technology isn't bad either. 2. A birth of AI story that feels original A lot of contemporary science fiction, from the Terminator franchise to Star Trek: The Next Generation, deals with what happens when we finally create AI. Will it rise up and destroy us ala
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What didn't make sense was how could the same people exist over again and again? How can you have Starbuck exist multiple times with a ship of the exact same technology? That alone would be so astronomical that there isn't enough room on earth to have space for the zeros. Just the sheer randomness of the world allow us to exist. However even if you were to have the same people get together in chronological order over and over again to create you it may not happen. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: That the cycle repeats over and over again is what I was thinking *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:35 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series They were saying that the original creator of the cylons was also a cylon in the original show. (Ti's wife which didn't fit.) They made it seem like it was probably something that happened or happens over and over again with humans. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: That it has happened before has got me too. I believe it is the tie in to BSG *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:30 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think that the show is interesting. It is nice to see part of the story being told that we haven't seen before. I am wondering if they are going to explain the it has happened before dialog that keeps popping up. Also the number of the advanced units were they patterned after the gods? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism
