RE: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth
I have partaken of a few of those, when I visited Arlington some years back. Might be why I'm on Zocor now... "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 00:47:53 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Ha-ha! Among the best I've ever had are Earl Campbell's, available in Texas. Incredibly good, but the fat and cholesterol content are best expressed in exponential terms - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 7:45:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Keith, if I weren't sitting here in my PJs, I'd be on my way to Kroger to pick up some hot links. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:33:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Chicken nuggets are the guilty, unhealthy pleasure of fast food. I eat them only infrequently. I had a few on Friday when the blood sugar was dropping and I'd run out of snacks. Speaking of guilty pleasure bad food, other foods that I love since childhood, but which i've minimized or eliminated altogether: Corn dogs -- is anything better than that deep-fried batter around a freshly cooked dog, slathered in mustard? Yum! Fried apple pies - back in Texas, Hostess fried pies, heated in the oven (no microwaves back then), brushed with a little sugar and cinnamon. Lord a'mighty, what a treat! Hostess was good, but the ones made at mom-and-pops were better! Pecan pie - none of that fancy mud pie, kalua pie for me. Jes' give me eggs, butter, sugar, vanilla, and Caro syrup, with enough pecans on top to cut the sugar rush. Little Bama pies in tin foil pans --available at any self-respecting grocery store or gas station--were the best, and Waffle House sells that great simple version too. Chicken fried steak sandwich - really big back in Texas. Battered and fried, slapped on a bun with mayo, tomato, cheese and lettuce--almost worth the hardening arteries! Hot link sandwich- again, a Texas standard, available at any good fast food joint. Hot, pink or red links, slathered with barbecue sauce, stacked on white bread. Heaven in spice! Frito pie --ever had it? A casserole consisting of cheese, chili, onions, and fritos, baked to a greasy, spicy ambrosia. Man on man! Like I said, though, i rarely indulge in any of the above nowadays. :( - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:34:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I hear you! When my niece was that age, she wanted them every day. Now, twelve years later, she can't *look* at them. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:30:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I have a three year old nephew so I had to learn to appreciate them again. :) On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: It's really been a long time since I've bought anyone's nuggets. I prefer Zaxby's. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:39:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a sta
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth
Truth in that. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:41:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I dunno. Some folks get addicted to some weird stuff. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: Good food, yes. "Addicted"? I don't think so... "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:31:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth We don't have them here. :( I did hear an interesting story from a ex-coworker that said she got addicted to chicfila. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Chik Fil-A all the way, baby! And I must admit, McDonald's has a decent chicken sandwich, much better than I'd have expected. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:39:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and > the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right t
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth
I dunno. Some folks get addicted to some weird stuff. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > Good food, yes. "Addicted"? I don't think so... > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:31:57 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > We don't have them here. :( I did hear an interesting story from a > ex-coworker that said she got addicted to chicfila. > > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Keith Johnson > wrote: > > > > Chik Fil-A all the way, baby! > And I must admit, McDonald's has a decent chicken sandwich, much better > than I'd have expected. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:39:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are > better. > > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter > wrote: > > > > Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly > raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by > magic. :) > > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan < > adrianne.bren...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a > pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. > It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be > essential in any human. > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: > > I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the > subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." > But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a > slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson > wrote: > > > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mr. Worf" > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter > pet lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they > voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against th
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth
yeah, i still prefer milk chocolate, but the sugar content of dark chocolate is much less. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 7:44:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I'm moving more toward dark chocolate as well, Keith. Has immense respiratory benefits. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:53:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I've learned to like darker chocolate more. I used to despise it, only eating milk chocolate. I've also starting liking certain cheeses I used to hate, such as blue cheese. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:40:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth My belief is that your sense of taste is different at that age. There are some foods that were overwhelming to me when I was younger but I can tolerate or enjoy now. Like Dr.Pepper and mustard we just too much for me. Now I like both. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: I hear you! When my niece was that age, she wanted them every day. Now, twelve years later, she can't *look* at them. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:30:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I have a three year old nephew so I had to learn to appreciate them again. :) On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: It's really been a long time since I've bought anyone's nuggets. I prefer Zaxby's. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:39:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn < ravena...@yahoo.com > wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifino
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth
Ha-ha! Among the best I've ever had are Earl Campbell's, available in Texas. Incredibly good, but the fat and cholesterol content are best expressed in exponential terms - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 7:45:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Keith, if I weren't sitting here in my PJs, I'd be on my way to Kroger to pick up some hot links. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:33:18 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Chicken nuggets are the guilty, unhealthy pleasure of fast food. I eat them only infrequently. I had a few on Friday when the blood sugar was dropping and I'd run out of snacks. Speaking of guilty pleasure bad food, other foods that I love since childhood, but which i've minimized or eliminated altogether: Corn dogs -- is anything better than that deep-fried batter around a freshly cooked dog, slathered in mustard? Yum! Fried apple pies - back in Texas, Hostess fried pies, heated in the oven (no microwaves back then), brushed with a little sugar and cinnamon. Lord a'mighty, what a treat! Hostess was good, but the ones made at mom-and-pops were better! Pecan pie - none of that fancy mud pie, kalua pie for me. Jes' give me eggs, butter, sugar, vanilla, and Caro syrup, with enough pecans on top to cut the sugar rush. Little Bama pies in tin foil pans --available at any self-respecting grocery store or gas station--were the best, and Waffle House sells that great simple version too. Chicken fried steak sandwich - really big back in Texas. Battered and fried, slapped on a bun with mayo, tomato, cheese and lettuce--almost worth the hardening arteries! Hot link sandwich- again, a Texas standard, available at any good fast food joint. Hot, pink or red links, slathered with barbecue sauce, stacked on white bread. Heaven in spice! Frito pie --ever had it? A casserole consisting of cheese, chili, onions, and fritos, baked to a greasy, spicy ambrosia. Man on man! Like I said, though, i rarely indulge in any of the above nowadays. :( - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:34:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I hear you! When my niece was that age, she wanted them every day. Now, twelve years later, she can't *look* at them. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:30:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I have a three year old nephew so I had to learn to appreciate them again. :) On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: It's really been a long time since I've bought anyone's nuggets. I prefer Zaxby's. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:39:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can'
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth
I see your point. For me, Cheerwine red sodas were something to be had as often as possible. I tried one in a store last year and nearly gagged. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:40:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth My belief is that your sense of taste is different at that age. There are some foods that were overwhelming to me when I was younger but I can tolerate or enjoy now. Like Dr.Pepper and mustard we just too much for me. Now I like both. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: I hear you! When my niece was that age, she wanted them every day. Now, twelve years later, she can't *look* at them. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:30:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I have a three year old nephew so I had to learn to appreciate them again. :) On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: It's really been a long time since I've bought anyone's nuggets. I prefer Zaxby's. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:39:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > It is starting to sound a bit like
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I'm moving more toward dark chocolate as well, Keith. Has immense respiratory benefits. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:53:33 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I've learned to like darker chocolate more. I used to despise it, only eating milk chocolate. I've also starting liking certain cheeses I used to hate, such as blue cheese. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:40:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth My belief is that your sense of taste is different at that age. There are some foods that were overwhelming to me when I was younger but I can tolerate or enjoy now. Like Dr.Pepper and mustard we just too much for me. Now I like both. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: I hear you! When my niece was that age, she wanted them every day. Now, twelve years later, she can't *look* at them. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:30:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I have a three year old nephew so I had to learn to appreciate them again. :) On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: It's really been a long time since I've bought anyone's nuggets. I prefer Zaxby's. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:39:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > >
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Keith, back when I was a supervisor at Soulless Evil, Inc, the associates called lunch at Chic-Fil-A "the Management Special", because only those in management could afford to eat there more than once a week. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:08:58 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Chik Fil-A all the way, baby! And I must admit, McDonald's has a decent chicken sandwich, much better than I'd have expected. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:39:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and > the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That said, > what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to what I > expected -
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Keith, if I weren't sitting here in my PJs, I'd be on my way to Kroger to pick up some hot links. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:33:18 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Chicken nuggets are the guilty, unhealthy pleasure of fast food. I eat them only infrequently. I had a few on Friday when the blood sugar was dropping and I'd run out of snacks. Speaking of guilty pleasure bad food, other foods that I love since childhood, but which i've minimized or eliminated altogether: Corn dogs -- is anything better than that deep-fried batter around a freshly cooked dog, slathered in mustard? Yum! Fried apple pies - back in Texas, Hostess fried pies, heated in the oven (no microwaves back then), brushed with a little sugar and cinnamon. Lord a'mighty, what a treat! Hostess was good, but the ones made at mom-and-pops were better! Pecan pie - none of that fancy mud pie, kalua pie for me. Jes' give me eggs, butter, sugar, vanilla, and Caro syrup, with enough pecans on top to cut the sugar rush. Little Bama pies in tin foil pans --available at any self-respecting grocery store or gas station--were the best, and Waffle House sells that great simple version too. Chicken fried steak sandwich - really big back in Texas. Battered and fried, slapped on a bun with mayo, tomato, cheese and lettuce--almost worth the hardening arteries! Hot link sandwich- again, a Texas standard, available at any good fast food joint. Hot, pink or red links, slathered with barbecue sauce, stacked on white bread. Heaven in spice! Frito pie --ever had it? A casserole consisting of cheese, chili, onions, and fritos, baked to a greasy, spicy ambrosia. Man on man! Like I said, though, i rarely indulge in any of the above nowadays. :( - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:34:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I hear you! When my niece was that age, she wanted them every day. Now, twelve years later, she can't *look* at them. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:30:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I have a three year old nephew so I had to learn to appreciate them again. :) On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: It's really been a long time since I've bought anyone's nuggets. I prefer Zaxby's. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:39:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http:/
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Good food, yes. "Addicted"? I don't think so... "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:31:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth We don't have them here. :( I did hear an interesting story from a ex-coworker that said she got addicted to chicfila. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Chik Fil-A all the way, baby! And I must admit, McDonald's has a decent chicken sandwich, much better than I'd have expected. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:39:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and > the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That said, > what is fasc
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We don't have them here. :( I did hear an interesting story from a ex-coworker that said she got addicted to chicfila. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > Chik Fil-A all the way, baby! > And I must admit, McDonald's has a decent chicken sandwich, much better > than I'd have expected. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:39:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are > better. > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter > wrote: > >> >> >> Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? >> >> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in >> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com >> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 >> >> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter >> pet lamb raised from birth >> >> >> It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly >> raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by >> magic. :) >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan < >> adrianne.bren...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a >> pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. >> It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be >> essential in any human. >> >> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ >> http://www.adriannebrennan.com >> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: >> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html >> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: >> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html >> Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: >> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: >> >> I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the >> subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." >> But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a >> slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. >> >> ~rave! >> >> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson >> wrote: >> > >> > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. >> > >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Mr. Worf" >> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >> Eastern >> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter >> pet lamb raised from birth >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the >> article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who >> would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was >> a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story >> that is somewhat leading the readers. >> > >> > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they >> voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major >> implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they >> thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one >> life against the many it would save. Don't know... >> > >> > >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > >> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >> Eastern >> >
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I've learned to like darker chocolate more. I used to despise it, only eating milk chocolate. I've also starting liking certain cheeses I used to hate, such as blue cheese. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:40:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth My belief is that your sense of taste is different at that age. There are some foods that were overwhelming to me when I was younger but I can tolerate or enjoy now. Like Dr.Pepper and mustard we just too much for me. Now I like both. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: I hear you! When my niece was that age, she wanted them every day. Now, twelve years later, she can't *look* at them. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:30:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I have a three year old nephew so I had to learn to appreciate them again. :) On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: It's really been a long time since I've bought anyone's nuggets. I prefer Zaxby's. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:39:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn < ravena...@yahoo.com > wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were al
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Chicken nuggets are the guilty, unhealthy pleasure of fast food. I eat them only infrequently. I had a few on Friday when the blood sugar was dropping and I'd run out of snacks. Speaking of guilty pleasure bad food, other foods that I love since childhood, but which i've minimized or eliminated altogether: Corn dogs -- is anything better than that deep-fried batter around a freshly cooked dog, slathered in mustard? Yum! Fried apple pies - back in Texas, Hostess fried pies, heated in the oven (no microwaves back then), brushed with a little sugar and cinnamon. Lord a'mighty, what a treat! Hostess was good, but the ones made at mom-and-pops were better! Pecan pie - none of that fancy mud pie, kalua pie for me. Jes' give me eggs, butter, sugar, vanilla, and Caro syrup, with enough pecans on top to cut the sugar rush. Little Bama pies in tin foil pans --available at any self-respecting grocery store or gas station--were the best, and Waffle House sells that great simple version too. Chicken fried steak sandwich - really big back in Texas. Battered and fried, slapped on a bun with mayo, tomato, cheese and lettuce--almost worth the hardening arteries! Hot link sandwich- again, a Texas standard, available at any good fast food joint. Hot, pink or red links, slathered with barbecue sauce, stacked on white bread. Heaven in spice! Frito pie --ever had it? A casserole consisting of cheese, chili, onions, and fritos, baked to a greasy, spicy ambrosia. Man on man! Like I said, though, i rarely indulge in any of the above nowadays. :( - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:34:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I hear you! When my niece was that age, she wanted them every day. Now, twelve years later, she can't *look* at them. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:30:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I have a three year old nephew so I had to learn to appreciate them again. :) On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: It's really been a long time since I've bought anyone's nuggets. I prefer Zaxby's. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:39:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn < ravena...@yahoo.com > wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@y
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Chik Fil-A all the way, baby! And I must admit, McDonald's has a decent chicken sandwich, much better than I'd have expected. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:39:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn < ravena...@yahoo.com > wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and > the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That said, > what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to what I > expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be teary-eyed at the > notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the slaughterhouse - sort of like > "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was raised on a farm but still didn't > want anybody to eat her pig. > > ~rave! > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of > > animals are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one > > of the protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any > > products tested
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My belief is that your sense of taste is different at that age. There are some foods that were overwhelming to me when I was younger but I can tolerate or enjoy now. Like Dr.Pepper and mustard we just too much for me. Now I like both. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > I hear you! When my niece was that age, she wanted them every day. Now, > twelve years later, she can't *look* at them. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:30:32 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > I have a three year old nephew so I had to learn to appreciate them > again. :) > > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter < > truthseeker...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > It's really been a long time since I've bought anyone's nuggets. I prefer > Zaxby's. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > ------------------ > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:39:12 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are > better. > > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter > wrote: > > > > Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly > raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by > magic. :) > > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan < > adrianne.bren...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a > pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. > It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be > essential in any human. > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: > > I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the > subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." > But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a > slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson > wrote: > > > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mr. Worf" > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter > pet lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > > wrote: > > > &g
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I hear you! When my niece was that age, she wanted them every day. Now, twelve years later, she can't *look* at them. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:30:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I have a three year old nephew so I had to learn to appreciate them again. :) On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: It's really been a long time since I've bought anyone's nuggets. I prefer Zaxby's. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:39:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and > the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > >
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I have a three year old nephew so I had to learn to appreciate them again. :) On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > It's really been a long time since I've bought anyone's nuggets. I prefer > Zaxby's. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:39:12 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are > better. > > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter > wrote: > > > > Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > ---------- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly > raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by > magic. :) > > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan < > adrianne.bren...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a > pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. > It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be > essential in any human. > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: > > I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the > subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." > But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a > slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson > wrote: > > > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mr. Worf" > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter > pet lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they > voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That > said, what is fascinating about this incident is that
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It's really been a long time since I've bought anyone's nuggets. I prefer Zaxby's. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:39:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and > the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That said, > what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to what I > expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be teary-eyed at the > notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the slaughterhouse - sort of like > "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was raised on a farm but still didn't > want anybody to eat her pig. > > ~rave! > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of > > animals are raised every year to be killed for food
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Depends on the restaurant that you buy them from. Try Wendys they are better. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly > raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by > magic. :) > > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan < > adrianne.bren...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a > pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. > It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be > essential in any human. > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: > > I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the > subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." > But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a > slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson > wrote: > > > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mr. Worf" > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter > pet lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they > voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That > said, what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to > what I expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be > teary-eyed at the notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the > slaughterhouse - sort of like "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was > raised on a farm but still didn't want anybody to eat her pig. > > > > ~rave! > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson > wrote: > > > > > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of > animals are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one > of the protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any > products tested on animals? Any of them eat Jell-O? Or spam? > >
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Mr Worf... that's *chicken*? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and > the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That said, > what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to what I > expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be teary-eyed at the > notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the slaughterhouse - sort of like > "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was raised on a farm but still didn't > want anybody to eat her pig. > > ~rave! > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of > > animals are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one > > of the protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any > > products tested on animals? Any of them eat Jell-O? Or spam? > > > > I love animals. Love 'em. Remember the names and deaths of every single dog > > and cat my family ever owned. I abhor needless violence and cruelty to > > animals. But if the kiddies want to have the lamb killed for a greater > > good, it's not indicative that they're a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer's in the > > making. If this "experiment" had taken place on a straight out farm, we'd > > not even be having this discussion. > > > >
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It happens all the time on the farm. Pigs, chickens, cows are regularly raised for market by kids. That chicken nugget does reach your plate by magic. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Adrianne Brennan < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a > pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. > It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be > essential in any human. > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: > >> I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the >> subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." >> But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a >> slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. >> >> ~rave! >> >> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson >> wrote: >> > >> > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. >> > >> > ----- Original Message - >> > From: "Mr. Worf" >> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >> Eastern >> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter >> pet lamb raised from birth >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the >> article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who >> would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was >> a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story >> that is somewhat leading the readers. >> > >> > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they >> voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major >> implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they >> thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one >> life against the many it would save. Don't know... >> > >> > >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > >> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >> Eastern >> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet >> lamb raised from birth >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That >> said, what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to >> what I expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be >> teary-eyed at the notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the >> slaughterhouse - sort of like "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was >> raised on a farm but still didn't want anybody to eat her pig. >> > >> > ~rave! >> > >> > >> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson >> wrote: >> > > >> > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of >> animals are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one >> of the protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any >> products tested on animals? Any of them eat Jell-O? Or spam? >> > > >> > > I love animals. Love 'em. Remember the names and deaths of every >> single dog and cat my family ever owned. I abhor needless violence and >> cruelty to animals. But if the kiddies want to have the lamb killed for a >> greater good, it's not indicative that they're a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer's >> in the making. If this
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Always did like the cut of his jib. Now moreso. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:37:27 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth A story I like to tell: boxing champion Manny Pacquiao left his home in the rural Philippines at 12 years of age when his father ate his pet dog. He did not return. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan wrote: > > I understand that people eat meat and I don't judge them. Everyone has the > right to make their own choices. > But it's one thing to eat a *pet*. That's why people in the West flip out > over the idea of some countries eating cat or dog. Those are *pets* to us. > > The moment you raise an animal, give it a name, and take care of it, it > becomes a pet. It's one thing if you raise chickens on a farm with the > intention of having them as food--but they're not pets. > > Ugh. > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Martin Baxter > wrote: > > > > > > > (standing ovation) > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > > > > > -------------- > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > From: adrianne.bren...@... > > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:30:07 -0400 > > > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a > > pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. > > > > It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be > > essential in any human. > > > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html > > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html > > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: > > > > I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the > > subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." > > But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a > > slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. > > > > ~rave! > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson > > wrote: > > > > > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Mr. Worf" > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > > Eastern > > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter > > pet lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > > > > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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But see, Westerners have no right to "flip out" over people eating cats and dogs. Some indians decry the eating of cattle. I could make a case that eating pork is worse, because pigs have been shown to be more intelligent than dogs. There's an imposition of Western mores onto how animals are treated that troubles me. We live in a country where people spend more money on their pets than people in some countries spend in a year on food. That troubles me way more than what these kids did. And while I understand how this lamb being a pet bothers you, to repeat myself, this happens all the time on farms the world over. Kids learn the lessons of what it means to raise animals for food. I can honestly say i'm not worried that any of these kids will grow up to be sociopathic killers. I'm more much concerned about kids raised in America right now thinking it's okay to ignore, disrespect, or insult a President of color. I'd take one of these English schoolkids next door to many any day over some kid who's growing up in a house where his parents are demonizing people of color and producing the next generation of racists. - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:43:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I understand that people eat meat and I don't judge them. Everyone has the right to make their own choices. But it's one thing to eat a *pet*. That's why people in the West flip out over the idea of some countries eating cat or dog. Those are *pets* to us. The moment you raise an animal, give it a name, and take care of it, it becomes a pet. It's one thing if you raise chickens on a farm with the intention of having them as food--but they're not pets. Ugh. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: (standing ovation) "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:30:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn < ravena...@yahoo.com > wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and unc
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This happens on farms every day. I understand your feelings, but I just don't think this makes the kids sick or lacking in empathy--at least, any more than millions upon millions of people the world over who throughout history have raised animals that they later used as food. Like most people my age (over 40), I don't have to try hard at all to find someone in my family who grew up on a farm back in the mid-20th century. And every single one of those people has a story like this: of how they or their brother or sister or friend or cousin raised a chicken, pig, cow, sheep, goat, or turkey, got attached to it, then had to watch as it was killed. Now maybe in all cases the kids didn't vote to have the animal killed, but they did have to learn the reality of what it means to be a meat eater. And many of those people will tell you, later, they learned that animals are for food, and not to get too attached. Maybe they have a dog or cat or horse that they love, but for the rest--they might end up on the table. And when they do find themselves liking some cute chicken or sheep or whatever? Well, it might sting a bit, but it comes down to a choice of food or friendship with an animal. I'm not trying to dismiss your feelings. they're valid. I will say, though, that Americans and some Western Europeans have a take on animals that differs from most of the world. In most of the world--and for most of the poor people in this world--animals aren't some kind of luxury to be petted and coddled and named as a friend. Outside of animals like dogs (aiding in hunting and herding), horses, donkeys, etc., most of the world sees animals as a source of work and food. For people in Mexico, the strangeness to this story might be that the kids were allowed to so anthropomorphize an animal that was likely to be killed. For someone living on the Mongolian steppes, it might come down to "you eat the animal or you starve to death". For an African child raising cattle, it might be "they were going to buy a bunch of pigs with the money from Marcus, so the farm profits". I think the main issue is how Westerners have come to see animals as people, almost. I listened to a lot of stories recently about how Americans sleep with dogs and cats, give them tranquilizers, spend hundreds of dollars to keep them in fancy kennels while they're on vacation, give them the family surname. Most people in the world simply don't have the time, luxury, disposable income, or surfeit of food to see animals that way. I note that even the "Dog Whisperer" (who's from Mexico, I believe) has stated this. He loves animals, but says the major problem in America is that people try to humanize animals and treat them like children or humans, when they are, for all their cuteness, still animals. To me, this was kids learning the same lesson humans have learned for countless generations. How many young people in the world right now, in Africa, Asia, or mountain passes in Europe, are killing an animal to which they became attached, because their family must eat? I will grant that these kids in the story didn't *have* to kill the animal to stay alive. But, they were on a farm, and on farms, animals are sent to be killed for their meat, their hide, their horns, or their hooves. I didn't read that the kids were sadistic, took joy in this, or mistreated any of the animals. They are raising lots of other animals, and seem to be treating them well. The story makes note of how they hand fed Marcus, but farmers often do that to their animals--and still they kill them. Again, i understand your feelings. I don't like to hear of people hunting animals for sport, which I find to be an unnecessary activity. I don't like to hear of animals being mistreated. But in this case I think this was kids learning about the realities of farm life, and making a decision to give up one animal in order to get several more (the pigs) in return. and that's a decision made countless times the world over by people who aren't cruel, sadistic, or lacking in empathy. Jess my two cents - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:30:07 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http:/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth
I understand that people eat meat and I don't judge them. Everyone has the right to make their own choices. But it's one thing to eat a *pet*. That's why people in the West flip out over the idea of some countries eating cat or dog. Those are *pets* to us. The moment you raise an animal, give it a name, and take care of it, it becomes a pet. It's one thing if you raise chickens on a farm with the intention of having them as food--but they're not pets. Ugh. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:30:07 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a > pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. > > It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be > essential in any human. > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: > > I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the > subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." > But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a > slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson > wrote: > > > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mr. Worf" > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter > pet lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they > voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That > said, what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to > what I expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be > teary-eyed at the notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the > slaughterhouse - sort of like "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was > raised on a farm but still didn't want anybody to eat her
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth
(standing ovation) "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:30:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and > the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That said, > what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to what I > expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be teary-eyed at the > notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the slaughterhouse - sort of like > "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was raised on a farm but still didn't > want anybody to eat her pig. > > ~rave! > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of > > animals are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one > > of the protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any > > products tested on animals? Any of them eat Jell-O? Or spam? > > > > I love animals. Love 'em. Remember the names and deaths of every single dog > > and cat my family ever owned. I abhor needless violence and cruelty to > > animals. But if the kiddies want to have the lamb killed for a greater > > good, it's not indicative that they're a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer's in the > > making. If this "experiment" had taken place on a straight out farm, we'd > > not even be having this discussion. > > > > This is interesting timing. In the last two weeks I listened to probably > > half a dozen various programs (on NPR, KERA's "Think") about how > > humans--mostly Americans--treat animals. The programs dealt with how > > Americans now giv
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth
I can't help but think that this is pretty sick. I can't imagine having a pet, naming it, and then sending it away to be brutally butchered. It disturbs me that they're lacking a level of empathy I consider to be essential in any human. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Kelwyn wrote: > I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the > subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." > But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a > slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson > wrote: > > > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mr. Worf" > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter > pet lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they > voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That > said, what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to > what I expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be > teary-eyed at the notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the > slaughterhouse - sort of like "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was > raised on a farm but still didn't want anybody to eat her pig. > > > > ~rave! > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson > wrote: > > > > > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of > animals are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one > of the protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any > products tested on animals? Any of them eat Jell-O? Or spam? > > > > > > I love animals. Love 'em. Remember the names and deaths of every single > dog and cat my family ever owned. I abhor needless violence and cruelty to > animals. But if the kiddies want to have the lamb killed for a greater good, > it's not indicative that they're a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer's in the making. > If this "experiment" had taken place on a straight out farm, we'd not even > be having this discussion. > > > > > > This is interesting timing. In the last two weeks I listened to > probably half a dozen various programs (on NPR, KERA's "Think") about how > humans--mostly Americans--treat animals. The programs dealt with how > Americans now give their dogs anti-depressants because the animals get down > being left alone during the day, how people spend thousands of dollars to > save animals from disease or old age, how many now literally think of their > cats and dogs as one of the family, even calling them their "chil
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Point taken, but are they doing the killing/slaughtering, or is someone doing it for them? - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:48:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I thought hard and long about the word "slaughter" because I wanted the subject of my post to read "English school children vote to kill pet lamb." But that is not what they did. They voted to send their pet lamb to a slaughter house. "Slaughter" is the right word. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the > article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who > would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was > a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story > that is somewhat leading the readers. > > It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and > the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@... > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That said, > what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to what I > expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be teary-eyed at the > notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the slaughterhouse - sort of like > "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was raised on a farm but still didn't > want anybody to eat her pig. > > ~rave! > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of > > animals are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one > > of the protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any > > products tested on animals? Any of them eat Jell-O? Or spam? > > > > I love animals. Love 'em. Remember the names and deaths of every single dog > > and cat my family ever owned. I abhor needless violence and cruelty to > > animals. But if the kiddies want to have the lamb killed for a greater > > good, it's not indicative that they're a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer's in the > > making. If this "experiment" had taken place on a straight out farm, we'd > > not even be having this discussion. > > > > This is interesting timing. In the last two weeks I listened to probably > > half a dozen various programs (on NPR, KERA's "Think") about how > > humans--mostly Americans--treat animals. The programs dealt with how > > Americans now give their dogs anti-depressants because the animals get down > > being left alone during the day, how people spend thousands of dollars to > > save animals from disease or old age, how many now literally think of their > > cats and dogs as one of the family, even calling them their "children". > > > > I think Americans have too much time and money on our hands. Again, i love > > animals to death. But they're not humans, and I'll be danged if I ever call > > a dog "Spot Johnson" or something. Most of the rest of the world sees > > animals as the beasts of burden, food, and clothing they've always been. > > Strange world when people freak out over Michael Vick, when there are kids
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Agreed. That word "slaughter" keeps troubling me. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story that is somewhat leading the readers. It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one life against the many it would save. Don't know... - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@yahoo.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That said, what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to what I expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be teary-eyed at the notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the slaughterhouse - sort of like "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was raised on a farm but still didn't want anybody to eat her pig. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of animals > are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one of the > protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any products > tested on animals? Any of them eat Jell-O? Or spam? > > I love animals. Love 'em. Remember the names and deaths of every single dog > and cat my family ever owned. I abhor needless violence and cruelty to > animals. But if the kiddies want to have the lamb killed for a greater good, > it's not indicative that they're a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer's in the making. > If this "experiment" had taken place on a straight out farm, we'd not even be > having this discussion. > > This is interesting timing. In the last two weeks I listened to probably half > a dozen various programs (on NPR, KERA's "Think") about how humans--mostly > Americans--treat animals. The programs dealt with how Americans now give > their dogs anti-depressants because the animals get down being left alone > during the day, how people spend thousands of dollars to save animals from > disease or old age, how many now literally think of their cats and dogs as > one of the family, even calling them their "children". > > I think Americans have too much time and money on our hands. Again, i love > animals to death. But they're not humans, and I'll be danged if I ever call a > dog "Spot Johnson" or something. Most of the rest of the world sees animals > as the beasts of burden, food, and clothing they've always been. Strange > world when people freak out over Michael Vick, when there are kids here in > Atlanta who could benefit from the outrage and time spent making him into a > pariah. > > I say serve up the goat with onions and gravy. Besides, this is a part of > life: kids need to understand some of the cycle of death. I'm sure some of > them don't really get what it means to kill the goat, and will break down and > freak out if confronted by his roasted carcass on a serving platter. > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:26:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > > Depends on their backgrounds I think. They could be Muslim kids that eat > goat. (or somewhere else) So they aren't looking at it as being cute. They > are looking at it being lunch. > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@... > wrote: > > > > > > Nope. Those are the Children of the Corn 2009.
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A *very* good point... "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:46:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story that is somewhat leading the readers. It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson wrote: Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one life against the many it would save. Don't know... - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That said, what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to what I expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be teary-eyed at the notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the slaughterhouse - sort of like "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was raised on a farm but still didn't want anybody to eat her pig. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of animals > are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one of the > protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any products > tested on animals? Any of them eat Jell-O? Or spam? > > I love animals. Love 'em. Remember the names and deaths of every single dog > and cat my family ever owned. I abhor needless violence and cruelty to > animals. But if the kiddies want to have the lamb killed for a greater good, > it's not indicative that they're a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer's in the making. > If this "experiment" had taken place on a straight out farm, we'd not even be > having this discussion. > > This is interesting timing. In the last two weeks I listened to probably half > a dozen various programs (on NPR, KERA's "Think") about how humans--mostly > Americans--treat animals. The programs dealt with how Americans now give > their dogs anti-depressants because the animals get down being left alone > during the day, how people spend thousands of dollars to save animals from > disease or old age, how many now literally think of their cats and dogs as > one of the family, even calling them their "children". > > I think Americans have too much time and money on our hands. Again, i love > animals to death. But they're not humans, and I'll be danged if I ever call a > dog "Spot Johnson" or something. Most of the rest of the world sees animals > as the beasts of burden, food, and clothing they've always been. Strange > world when people freak out over Michael Vick, when there are kids here in > Atlanta who could benefit from the outrage and time spent making him into a > pariah. > > I say serve up the goat with onions and gravy. Besides, this is a part of > life: kids need to understand some of the cycle of death. I'm sure some of > them don't really get what it means to kill the goat, and will break down and > freak out if confronted by his roasted carcass on a serving platter. > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:26:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > > Depends on their backgrounds I think. They could be Muslim kids that eat > goat. (or somewhere else) So they aren't looking at it as being cute. They > are looking at it being lunch. > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@... > wro
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth
I suspect that it was the writer's point of view that seeped into the article. They are making it into something that it wasn't. First off, who would give this info to the press? The school? Or an outraged parent? It was a vote of 13 to 1. There are a lot of assumptions being made in the story that is somewhat leading the readers. It is starting to sound a bit like PETA to me. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they > voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelwyn" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That > said, what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to > what I expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be > teary-eyed at the notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the > slaughterhouse - sort of like "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was > raised on a farm but still didn't want anybody to eat her pig. > > ~rave! > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith > Johnson wrote: > > > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of > animals are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one > of the protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any > products tested on animals? Any of them eat Jell-O? Or spam? > > > > I love animals. Love 'em. Remember the names and deaths of every single > dog and cat my family ever owned. I abhor needless violence and cruelty to > animals. But if the kiddies want to have the lamb killed for a greater good, > it's not indicative that they're a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer's in the making. > If this "experiment" had taken place on a straight out farm, we'd not even > be having this discussion. > > > > This is interesting timing. In the last two weeks I listened to probably > half a dozen various programs (on NPR, KERA's "Think") about how > humans--mostly Americans--treat animals. The programs dealt with how > Americans now give their dogs anti-depressants because the animals get down > being left alone during the day, how people spend thousands of dollars to > save animals from disease or old age, how many now literally think of their > cats and dogs as one of the family, even calling them their "children". > > > > I think Americans have too much time and money on our hands. Again, i > love animals to death. But they're not humans, and I'll be danged if I ever > call a dog "Spot Johnson" or something. Most of the rest of the world sees > animals as the beasts of burden, food, and clothing they've always been. > Strange world when people freak out over Michael Vick, when there are kids > here in Atlanta who could benefit from the outrage and time spent making him > into a pariah. > > > > I say serve up the goat with onions and gravy. Besides, this is a part of > life: kids need to understand some of the cycle of death. I'm sure some of > them don't really get what it means to kill the goat, and will break down > and freak out if confronted by his roasted carcass on a serving platter. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mr. Worf" > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:26:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on their backgrounds I think. They could be Muslim kids that eat > goat. (or somewhere else) So they aren't looking at it as being cute. They > are looking at it being lunch. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@... > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Those are the Children of the Corn 2009. > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > From: ravena...@... > > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:33:17 + > > Subject: [scifinoir2] English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > > > > > http://eishafu.notlong.com > > > > Are these Bey-Bey's kids? > > > > ~(no)rave! > > > > > > > > > > > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! > > Mahogany at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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Same here, Adrianne, now that you mention it. I have a friend who is a vegan. I'll send her this, to see if such has happened. (She's the mysterious sort, lots of secret contacts.) "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:00:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I had to look at the subject line and where the email was coming from and blink several times, as I could've sworn this came in from one of my numerous vegan lists. I'm actually surprised I haven't heard of this on them. It's the sort of thing that would be posted there. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: To answer both you and Keith, Kelwyn, I don't know and I don't care. These kids formed enough of an emotional bond with the creature to name it, then decided that it was time for it to die. I don't like to contemplate anyone possessing such a mindset, let alone children. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:26:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one life against the many it would save. Don't know... - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That said, what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to what I expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be teary-eyed at the notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the slaughterhouse - sort of like "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was raised on a farm but still didn't want anybody to eat her pig. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of animals > are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one of the > protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any products > tested on animals? Any of them eat Jell-O? Or spam? > > I love animals. Love 'em. Remember the names and deaths of every single dog > and cat my family ever owned. I abhor needless violence and cruelty to > animals. But if the kiddies want to have the lamb killed for a greater good, > it's not indicative that they're a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer's in the making. > If this "experiment" had taken place on a straight out farm, we'd not even be > having this discussion. > > This is interesting timing. In the last two weeks I listened to probably half > a dozen various programs (on NPR, KERA's "Think") about how humans--mostly > Americans--treat animals. The programs dealt with how Americans now give > their dogs anti-depressants because the animals get down being left alone > during the day, how people spend thousands of dollars to save animals from > disease or old age, how many now literally think of their cats and dogs as > one of the family, even calling them their "children". > > I think Americans have too much time and money on our hands. Again, i love > animals to death. But they're not humans, and I'll be danged if I ever call a > dog "Spot Johnson" or something. Most of the rest of the world sees animals > as the beasts of burden, food, and clothing they've
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I had to look at the subject line and where the email was coming from and blink several times, as I could've sworn this came in from one of my numerous vegan lists. I'm actually surprised I haven't heard of this on them. It's the sort of thing that would be posted there. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > To answer both you and Keith, Kelwyn, I don't know and I don't care. These > kids formed enough of an emotional bond with the creature to name it, then > decided that it was time for it to die. I don't like to contemplate anyone > possessing such a mindset, let alone children. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:26:38 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > > Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they > voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major > implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they > thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one > life against the many it would save. Don't know... > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelwyn" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet > lamb raised from birth > > > My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That > said, what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to > what I expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be > teary-eyed at the notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the > slaughterhouse - sort of like "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was > raised on a farm but still didn't want anybody to eat her pig. > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson > wrote: > > > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of > animals are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one > of the protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any > products tested on animals? Any of them eat Jell-O? Or spam? > > > > I love animals. Love 'em. Remember the names and deaths of every single > dog and cat my family ever owned. I abhor needless violence and cruelty to > animals. But if the kiddies want to have the lamb killed for a greater good, > it's not indicative that they're a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer's in the making. > If this "experiment" had taken place on a straight out farm, we'd not even > be having this discussion. > > > > This is interesting timing. In the last two weeks I listened to probably > half a dozen various programs (on NPR, KERA's "Think") about how > humans--mostly Americans--treat animals. The programs dealt with how > Americans now give their dogs anti-depressants because the animals get down > being left alone during the day, how people spend thousands of dollars to > save animals from disease or old age, how many now literally think of their > cats and dogs as one of the family, even calling them their "children". > > > > I think Americans have too much time and money on our hands. Again, i > love animals to death. But they're not humans, and I'll be danged if I ever > call a dog "Spot Johnson" or something. Most of the rest of the world sees > animals as the beasts of burden, food, and clothing they've always been. > Strange world when people freak out over Michael Vick, when there are kids > here in Atlanta who could benefit from the outrage and time spent making him > into a pariah. > > > > I say serve up the goat with onions and gravy. Besides, this is a part of > life: kids need to understand some of the cycle of death. I'm sure some of > them don't really get what it means to kill the goat, and will break down > and freak out if c
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Maybe this is me. I feel nothing but outrage. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:49:32 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth I don't get the outrage. My grandfather raised livestock and my cousins and I fed them, cared for them, etc. during the summers. After the first steer we raised disappeared and came back in coolers wrapped in white butcher's paper we were shocked and mad...until we got our share of the hamburger and other meat. Farm kids learn early on that those animals are not going to be there forever and if they come back it will be as dinner. This doesn't encourage cruelty or anything of the sort in fact it usually has the opposite effect. The animals are well cared for because they are income and/or food. The incident described in the article is a pretty common practice in production agriculture courses, FFA and 4-H. My friend is teacher and does a similar program with his 7th graders. We both majored in animal science in college and part of the course work was humanely raising and processing food animals. More people need to understand where their food comes from and it isn't the store. ;) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Ha-ha! > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:13:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > > For several weeks, I've had my eye (and mouth) set on a chicken parmesan > sammich from Zaxby's, and I finally got one today for lunch. > > I didn't name it. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@... > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:26:53 -0700 > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > Depends on their backgrounds I think. They could be Muslim kids that eat > goat. (or somewhere else) So they aren't looking at it as being cute. They > are looking at it being lunch. > > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@... > wrote: > > > > > > Nope. Those are the Children of the Corn 2009. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: ravena...@... > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:33:17 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > http://eishafu.notlong.com > > Are these Bey-Bey's kids? > > ~(no)rave! > > > > > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. > > > > > > -- > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. > _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
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To answer both you and Keith, Kelwyn, I don't know and I don't care. These kids formed enough of an emotional bond with the creature to name it, then decided that it was time for it to die. I don't like to contemplate anyone possessing such a mindset, let alone children. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:26:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one life against the many it would save. Don't know... - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That said, what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to what I expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be teary-eyed at the notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the slaughterhouse - sort of like "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was raised on a farm but still didn't want anybody to eat her pig. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of animals > are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one of the > protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any products > tested on animals? Any of them eat Jell-O? Or spam? > > I love animals. Love 'em. Remember the names and deaths of every single dog > and cat my family ever owned. I abhor needless violence and cruelty to > animals. But if the kiddies want to have the lamb killed for a greater good, > it's not indicative that they're a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer's in the making. > If this "experiment" had taken place on a straight out farm, we'd not even be > having this discussion. > > This is interesting timing. In the last two weeks I listened to probably half > a dozen various programs (on NPR, KERA's "Think") about how humans--mostly > Americans--treat animals. The programs dealt with how Americans now give > their dogs anti-depressants because the animals get down being left alone > during the day, how people spend thousands of dollars to save animals from > disease or old age, how many now literally think of their cats and dogs as > one of the family, even calling them their "children". > > I think Americans have too much time and money on our hands. Again, i love > animals to death. But they're not humans, and I'll be danged if I ever call a > dog "Spot Johnson" or something. Most of the rest of the world sees animals > as the beasts of burden, food, and clothing they've always been. Strange > world when people freak out over Michael Vick, when there are kids here in > Atlanta who could benefit from the outrage and time spent making him into a > pariah. > > I say serve up the goat with onions and gravy. Besides, this is a part of > life: kids need to understand some of the cycle of death. I'm sure some of > them don't really get what it means to kill the goat, and will break down and > freak out if confronted by his roasted carcass on a serving platter. > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:26:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > > Depends on their backgrounds I think. They could be Muslim kids that eat > goat. (or somewhere else) So they aren't looking at it as being cute. They > are looking at it being lunch. > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@... > wrote: > > > > > > Nope. Those are the Children of the Corn 2009. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L G
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Are we sure the kids were all cavalier and uncaring? It said they voted--and the use of the word "slaughter", here, at least, carries major implications--but doesn't really say what the process was like. Maybe they thought it was the right thing to do, regretably. Maybe they weighed the one life against the many it would save. Don't know... - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb raised from birth My stock response to the Michael Vick witch hunt: "They're dogs." That said, what is fascinating about this incident is that it is so counter to what I expected - i.e., that sweet little school children would be teary-eyed at the notion of sending their beloved pet lamb to the slaughterhouse - sort of like "Charlotte's Web"'s Fern Arable, who was raised on a farm but still didn't want anybody to eat her pig. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Jeez, what's the big deal? It's an animal. Millions upon millions of animals > are raised every year to be killed for food. Is *every* single one of the > protesters a pure vegan? Do none of them wear leather or use any products > tested on animals? Any of them eat Jell-O? Or spam? > > I love animals. Love 'em. Remember the names and deaths of every single dog > and cat my family ever owned. I abhor needless violence and cruelty to > animals. But if the kiddies want to have the lamb killed for a greater good, > it's not indicative that they're a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer's in the making. > If this "experiment" had taken place on a straight out farm, we'd not even be > having this discussion. > > This is interesting timing. In the last two weeks I listened to probably half > a dozen various programs (on NPR, KERA's "Think") about how humans--mostly > Americans--treat animals. The programs dealt with how Americans now give > their dogs anti-depressants because the animals get down being left alone > during the day, how people spend thousands of dollars to save animals from > disease or old age, how many now literally think of their cats and dogs as > one of the family, even calling them their "children". > > I think Americans have too much time and money on our hands. Again, i love > animals to death. But they're not humans, and I'll be danged if I ever call a > dog "Spot Johnson" or something. Most of the rest of the world sees animals > as the beasts of burden, food, and clothing they've always been. Strange > world when people freak out over Michael Vick, when there are kids here in > Atlanta who could benefit from the outrage and time spent making him into a > pariah. > > I say serve up the goat with onions and gravy. Besides, this is a part of > life: kids need to understand some of the cycle of death. I'm sure some of > them don't really get what it means to kill the goat, and will break down and > freak out if confronted by his roasted carcass on a serving platter. > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:26:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > > > Depends on their backgrounds I think. They could be Muslim kids that eat > goat. (or somewhere else) So they aren't looking at it as being cute. They > are looking at it being lunch. > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@... > wrote: > > > > > > Nope. Those are the Children of the Corn 2009. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: ravena...@... > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:33:17 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] English school children vote to slaughter pet lamb > raised from birth > > > > > http://eishafu.notlong.com > > Are these Bey-Bey's kids? > > ~(no)rave! > > > > > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. > > > > > > -- > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >
