Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be

2010-05-17 Thread Mr. Worf
When the first season of Lost aired I thought that it was the coolest thing
on tv ever, but they couldn't out do what they did in the first season. I
didn't even mind that there were polar bears on a tropical island.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Mike Street  wrote:

>
>
> I agree with this here...he has some  good stuff and is talented and he
> needs to probably mentor new talent and have them execute his projects. I
> never got into LOSt but I LIVE for every episode of "Fringe" it's just so
> good.
>
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I can understand where he is coming from. I think that he may be in love
>> with the process of starting off something new then moving on from there. He
>> needs to be in a think tank type situation where he can come up with the
>> ideas and develop them then have other people complete them.
>>
>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Martin Baxter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr Worf, IMO, the idea he had with "Alias" did develop, and he still
>>> tanked on it. he's like a kid in a room with a toy. He's okay playing with
>>> it until the door opens, and a shiny newer toy is placed inside.
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>>


 I think that he has too many oars in the water and suffers from genius
 syndrome. He is such a genius that he gets tired of an idea if it takes too
 long to develop it.

 On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Martin Baxter >>> > wrote:

>
>
> Keith, he has this track record of launching something that's
> spectacular and soul-grabbing, that takes over your life entirely
> ("Felicity", "Alias" and "Lost"), and then walking away from it for the 
> next
> shiny new project. I think I posted something this morning, about some new
> genre shows coming down the pike. One's called "Undercovers", with Boris
> Kodjoe (breathe, ladies!) and Gugu Mbatha-Raw, and any fans of "Fringe" 
> here
> (which I now reluctantly admit to being one of) will be heartbroken to 
> know
> that JJ's executive producer on it. And your utterly valid reasons for
> disliking his work are strong factors in my book as well.
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Keith Johnson <
> keithbjohn...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> No wonder you refuse to watch the new Trek film!
>>
>> Why do you loathe Abrams? I actually like his work, but only on
>> original properties. I haven't cared for his stamp on existing things 
>> like
>> MI-3 or Star Trek, because his need to add more action over the drama is
>> more obvious, and slightly taints the franchise's core makeup, in my
>> opinion.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Martin Baxter" 
>> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:47:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could
>> be
>>
>>
>>
>> I STILL loathe JJ with a passion, but I thought you folks might enjoy
>>> this.
>>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be

2010-05-17 Thread Mike Street
I agree with this here...he has some  good stuff and is talented and he
needs to probably mentor new talent and have them execute his projects. I
never got into LOSt but I LIVE for every episode of "Fringe" it's just so
good.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> I can understand where he is coming from. I think that he may be in love
> with the process of starting off something new then moving on from there. He
> needs to be in a think tank type situation where he can come up with the
> ideas and develop them then have other people complete them.
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Mr Worf, IMO, the idea he had with "Alias" did develop, and he still
>> tanked on it. he's like a kid in a room with a toy. He's okay playing with
>> it until the door opens, and a shiny newer toy is placed inside.
>>
>> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that he has too many oars in the water and suffers from genius
>>> syndrome. He is such a genius that he gets tired of an idea if it takes too
>>> long to develop it.
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Martin Baxter 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 Keith, he has this track record of launching something that's
 spectacular and soul-grabbing, that takes over your life entirely
 ("Felicity", "Alias" and "Lost"), and then walking away from it for the 
 next
 shiny new project. I think I posted something this morning, about some new
 genre shows coming down the pike. One's called "Undercovers", with Boris
 Kodjoe (breathe, ladies!) and Gugu Mbatha-Raw, and any fans of "Fringe" 
 here
 (which I now reluctantly admit to being one of) will be heartbroken to know
 that JJ's executive producer on it. And your utterly valid reasons for
 disliking his work are strong factors in my book as well.

 On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Keith Johnson <
 keithbjohn...@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> No wonder you refuse to watch the new Trek film!
>
> Why do you loathe Abrams? I actually like his work, but only on
> original properties. I haven't cared for his stamp on existing things like
> MI-3 or Star Trek, because his need to add more action over the drama is
> more obvious, and slightly taints the franchise's core makeup, in my
> opinion.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:47:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could
> be
>
>
>
> I STILL loathe JJ with a passion, but I thought you folks might enjoy
>> this.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
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Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Baxter
I could live with that, Mr Worf. As long as the show doesn't pay for his
dilettantism.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> I can understand where he is coming from. I think that he may be in love
> with the process of starting off something new then moving on from there. He
> needs to be in a think tank type situation where he can come up with the
> ideas and develop them then have other people complete them.
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Mr Worf, IMO, the idea he had with "Alias" did develop, and he still
>> tanked on it. he's like a kid in a room with a toy. He's okay playing with
>> it until the door opens, and a shiny newer toy is placed inside.
>>
>> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that he has too many oars in the water and suffers from genius
>>> syndrome. He is such a genius that he gets tired of an idea if it takes too
>>> long to develop it.
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Martin Baxter 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 Keith, he has this track record of launching something that's
 spectacular and soul-grabbing, that takes over your life entirely
 ("Felicity", "Alias" and "Lost"), and then walking away from it for the 
 next
 shiny new project. I think I posted something this morning, about some new
 genre shows coming down the pike. One's called "Undercovers", with Boris
 Kodjoe (breathe, ladies!) and Gugu Mbatha-Raw, and any fans of "Fringe" 
 here
 (which I now reluctantly admit to being one of) will be heartbroken to know
 that JJ's executive producer on it. And your utterly valid reasons for
 disliking his work are strong factors in my book as well.

 On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Keith Johnson <
 keithbjohn...@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> No wonder you refuse to watch the new Trek film!
>
> Why do you loathe Abrams? I actually like his work, but only on
> original properties. I haven't cared for his stamp on existing things like
> MI-3 or Star Trek, because his need to add more action over the drama is
> more obvious, and slightly taints the franchise's core makeup, in my
> opinion.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:47:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could
> be
>
>
>
> I STILL loathe JJ with a passion, but I thought you folks might enjoy
>> this.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
> From: 
> Date: Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:16 PM
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> To: martinbaxt...@gmail.com
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Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be

2010-05-17 Thread Mr. Worf
I can understand where he is coming from. I think that he may be in love
with the process of starting off something new then moving on from there. He
needs to be in a think tank type situation where he can come up with the
ideas and develop them then have other people complete them.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Mr Worf, IMO, the idea he had with "Alias" did develop, and he still tanked
> on it. he's like a kid in a room with a toy. He's okay playing with it until
> the door opens, and a shiny newer toy is placed inside.
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I think that he has too many oars in the water and suffers from genius
>> syndrome. He is such a genius that he gets tired of an idea if it takes too
>> long to develop it.
>>
>> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Martin Baxter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Keith, he has this track record of launching something that's spectacular
>>> and soul-grabbing, that takes over your life entirely ("Felicity", "Alias"
>>> and "Lost"), and then walking away from it for the next shiny new project. I
>>> think I posted something this morning, about some new genre shows coming
>>> down the pike. One's called "Undercovers", with Boris Kodjoe (breathe,
>>> ladies!) and Gugu Mbatha-Raw, and any fans of "Fringe" here (which I now
>>> reluctantly admit to being one of) will be heartbroken to know that JJ's
>>> executive producer on it. And your utterly valid reasons for disliking his
>>> work are strong factors in my book as well.
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Keith Johnson <
>>> keithbjohn...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>


 No wonder you refuse to watch the new Trek film!

 Why do you loathe Abrams? I actually like his work, but only on original
 properties. I haven't cared for his stamp on existing things like MI-3 or
 Star Trek, because his need to add more action over the drama is more
 obvious, and slightly taints the franchise's core makeup, in my opinion.


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 To: "SciFiNoir2" 
 Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:47:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could
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> this.
>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody
>>> hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Baxter
Justin, all the great talent in the world doesn't matter if the captain
walks away from the tiller. You mentioned the great talents A___s had on
"Lost", and yet the show still got, if you'll pardon the unintentional pun,
lost.

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Justin Mohareb wrote:

> What's amusing is how narrow minded and disrespectful it is of the
> people who work on the show.  A tv show  is a lot more of a team
> effort than a film can be.
>
> Hell, the massively talented writers room on Lost alone is great, much
> less the great guidance given by Damon Lindelof (with the show since
> the beginning) and Carlton Cuse (with it since season one).
>
> But, you know, it's not surprising to hear that opinion.
>
> Justin
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Keith Johnson
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > i'd never considered this view of Abrams...
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:36:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It
> Could be
> >
> >
> >
> > Keith, he has this track record of launching something that's spectacular
> and soul-grabbing, that takes over your life entirely ("Felicity", "Alias"
> and "Lost"), and then walking away from it for the next shiny new project. I
> think I posted something this morning, about some new genre shows coming
> down the pike. One's called "Undercovers", with Boris Kodjoe (breathe,
> ladies!) and Gugu Mbatha-Raw, and any fans of "Fringe" here (which I now
> reluctantly admit to being one of) will be heartbroken to know that JJ's
> executive producer on it. And your utterly valid reasons for disliking his
> work are strong factors in my book as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Keith Johnson <
> keithbjohn...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> No wonder you refuse to watch the new Trek film!
> >>
> >> Why do you loathe Abrams? I actually like his work, but only on original
> properties. I haven't cared for his stamp on existing things like MI-3 or
> Star Trek, because his need to add more action over the drama is more
> obvious, and slightly taints the franchise's core makeup, in my opinion.
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> >> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:47:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> >> Subject: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could
> be
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I STILL loathe JJ with a passion, but I thought you folks might enjoy
> this.
> >>>
> >> -- Forwarded message --
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Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Baxter
Mr Worf, IMO, the idea he had with "Alias" did develop, and he still tanked
on it. he's like a kid in a room with a toy. He's okay playing with it until
the door opens, and a shiny newer toy is placed inside.

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> I think that he has too many oars in the water and suffers from genius
> syndrome. He is such a genius that he gets tired of an idea if it takes too
> long to develop it.
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Keith, he has this track record of launching something that's spectacular
>> and soul-grabbing, that takes over your life entirely ("Felicity", "Alias"
>> and "Lost"), and then walking away from it for the next shiny new project. I
>> think I posted something this morning, about some new genre shows coming
>> down the pike. One's called "Undercovers", with Boris Kodjoe (breathe,
>> ladies!) and Gugu Mbatha-Raw, and any fans of "Fringe" here (which I now
>> reluctantly admit to being one of) will be heartbroken to know that JJ's
>> executive producer on it. And your utterly valid reasons for disliking his
>> work are strong factors in my book as well.
>>
>> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Keith Johnson > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No wonder you refuse to watch the new Trek film!
>>>
>>> Why do you loathe Abrams? I actually like his work, but only on original
>>> properties. I haven't cared for his stamp on existing things like MI-3 or
>>> Star Trek, because his need to add more action over the drama is more
>>> obvious, and slightly taints the franchise's core makeup, in my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Martin Baxter" 
>>> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:47:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I STILL loathe JJ with a passion, but I thought you folks might enjoy
 this.

 -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: 
>>> Date: Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:16 PM
>>> Subject: Check out this site I found on StumbleUpon!
>>> To: martinbaxt...@gmail.com
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>>> hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
>> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>
>>
>>
>
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wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik


Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Baxter
Keith, I didn't want to, but after he let me down by mentally tanking on
"Alias"...

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> i'd never considered this view of Abrams...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:36:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could
> be
>
>
>
> Keith, he has this track record of launching something that's spectacular
> and soul-grabbing, that takes over your life entirely ("Felicity", "Alias"
> and "Lost"), and then walking away from it for the next shiny new project. I
> think I posted something this morning, about some new genre shows coming
> down the pike. One's called "Undercovers", with Boris Kodjoe (breathe,
> ladies!) and Gugu Mbatha-Raw, and any fans of "Fringe" here (which I now
> reluctantly admit to being one of) will be heartbroken to know that JJ's
> executive producer on it. And your utterly valid reasons for disliking his
> work are strong factors in my book as well.
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> No wonder you refuse to watch the new Trek film!
>>
>> Why do you loathe Abrams? I actually like his work, but only on original
>> properties. I haven't cared for his stamp on existing things like MI-3 or
>> Star Trek, because his need to add more action over the drama is more
>> obvious, and slightly taints the franchise's core makeup, in my opinion.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Martin Baxter" 
>> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:47:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be
>>
>>
>>
>> I STILL loathe JJ with a passion, but I thought you folks might enjoy
>>> this.
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: 
>> Date: Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:16 PM
>> Subject: Check out this site I found on StumbleUpon!
>> To: martinbaxt...@gmail.com
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Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be

2010-05-16 Thread Mr. Worf
I think that he has too many oars in the water and suffers from genius
syndrome. He is such a genius that he gets tired of an idea if it takes too
long to develop it.

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Keith, he has this track record of launching something that's spectacular
> and soul-grabbing, that takes over your life entirely ("Felicity", "Alias"
> and "Lost"), and then walking away from it for the next shiny new project. I
> think I posted something this morning, about some new genre shows coming
> down the pike. One's called "Undercovers", with Boris Kodjoe (breathe,
> ladies!) and Gugu Mbatha-Raw, and any fans of "Fringe" here (which I now
> reluctantly admit to being one of) will be heartbroken to know that JJ's
> executive producer on it. And your utterly valid reasons for disliking his
> work are strong factors in my book as well.
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> No wonder you refuse to watch the new Trek film!
>>
>> Why do you loathe Abrams? I actually like his work, but only on original
>> properties. I haven't cared for his stamp on existing things like MI-3 or
>> Star Trek, because his need to add more action over the drama is more
>> obvious, and slightly taints the franchise's core makeup, in my opinion.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Martin Baxter" 
>> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:47:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be
>>
>>
>>
>> I STILL loathe JJ with a passion, but I thought you folks might enjoy
>>> this.
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: 
>> Date: Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:16 PM
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>> To: martinbaxt...@gmail.com
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>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be

2010-05-16 Thread Justin Mohareb
What's amusing is how narrow minded and disrespectful it is of the
people who work on the show.  A tv show  is a lot more of a team
effort than a film can be.

Hell, the massively talented writers room on Lost alone is great, much
less the great guidance given by Damon Lindelof (with the show since
the beginning) and Carlton Cuse (with it since season one).

But, you know, it's not surprising to hear that opinion.

Justin

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Keith Johnson
 wrote:
>
>
>
> i'd never considered this view of Abrams...
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:36:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be
>
>
>
> Keith, he has this track record of launching something that's spectacular and 
> soul-grabbing, that takes over your life entirely ("Felicity", "Alias" and 
> "Lost"), and then walking away from it for the next shiny new project. I 
> think I posted something this morning, about some new genre shows coming down 
> the pike. One's called "Undercovers", with Boris Kodjoe (breathe, ladies!) 
> and Gugu Mbatha-Raw, and any fans of "Fringe" here (which I now reluctantly 
> admit to being one of) will be heartbroken to know that JJ's executive 
> producer on it. And your utterly valid reasons for disliking his work are 
> strong factors in my book as well.
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Keith Johnson  
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> No wonder you refuse to watch the new Trek film!
>>
>> Why do you loathe Abrams? I actually like his work, but only on original 
>> properties. I haven't cared for his stamp on existing things like MI-3 or 
>> Star Trek, because his need to add more action over the drama is more 
>> obvious, and slightly taints the franchise's core makeup, in my opinion.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Martin Baxter" 
>> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:47:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I STILL loathe JJ with a passion, but I thought you folks might enjoy this.
>>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: 
>> Date: Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:16 PM
>> Subject: Check out this site I found on StumbleUpon!
>> To: martinbaxt...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Discover Favorites Stumblers
>> Hi,
>>
>> Fun stuff to think about...
>>
>> Is Fringe's Alternate Universe The Same Earth As I Am Lege..
>> io9.com/5536897/is-fringes-alt...
>>
>>
>> - Truthseeker013
>>
>>
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>>
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>> --
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>> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
> --
> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell 
> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
> 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be

2010-05-16 Thread Keith Johnson
i'd never considered this view of Abrams... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:36:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be 






Keith, he has this track record of launching something that's spectacular and 
soul-grabbing, that takes over your life entirely ("Felicity", "Alias" and 
"Lost"), and then walking away from it for the next shiny new project. I think 
I posted something this morning, about some new genre shows coming down the 
pike. One's called "Undercovers", with Boris Kodjoe (breathe, ladies!) and Gugu 
Mbatha-Raw, and any fans of "Fringe" here (which I now reluctantly admit to 
being one of) will be heartbroken to know that JJ's executive producer on it. 
And your utterly valid reasons for disliking his work are strong factors in my 
book as well. 


On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 











No wonder you refuse to watch the new Trek film! 

Why do you loathe Abrams? I actually like his work, but only on original 
properties. I haven't cared for his stamp on existing things like MI-3 or Star 
Trek, because his need to add more action over the drama is more obvious, and 
slightly taints the franchise's core makeup, in my opinion. 





- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter" < martinbaxt...@gmail.com > 
To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:47:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be 








I STILL loathe JJ with a passion, but I thought you folks might enjoy this. 


-- Forwarded message -- 
From: < martin_baxter...@hotmail.com > 
Date: Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:16 PM 
Subject: Check out this site I found on StumbleUpon! 
To: martinbaxt...@gmail.com 






StumbleUpon | Discover Your Web.
Discover Favorites Stumblers 

Hi, 

Fun stuff to think about... 

Is Fringe's Alternate Universe The Same Earth As I Am Lege.. 
io9.com/5536897/is-fringes-alt... 


- Truthseeker013 


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 







-- 
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wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be

2010-05-16 Thread Martin Baxter
Keith, he has this track record of launching something that's spectacular
and soul-grabbing, that takes over your life entirely ("Felicity", "Alias"
and "Lost"), and then walking away from it for the next shiny new project. I
think I posted something this morning, about some new genre shows coming
down the pike. One's called "Undercovers", with Boris Kodjoe (breathe,
ladies!) and Gugu Mbatha-Raw, and any fans of "Fringe" here (which I now
reluctantly admit to being one of) will be heartbroken to know that JJ's
executive producer on it. And your utterly valid reasons for disliking his
work are strong factors in my book as well.

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> No wonder you refuse to watch the new Trek film!
>
> Why do you loathe Abrams? I actually like his work, but only on original
> properties. I haven't cared for his stamp on existing things like MI-3 or
> Star Trek, because his need to add more action over the drama is more
> obvious, and slightly taints the franchise's core makeup, in my opinion.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:47:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be
>
>
>
> I STILL loathe JJ with a passion, but I thought you folks might enjoy this.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
> From: 
> Date: Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:16 PM
> Subject: Check out this site I found on StumbleUpon!
> To: martinbaxt...@gmail.com
>
>
> [image: StumbleUpon | Discover Your Web.]  
> Discover
> Favorites
> Stumblers
> Hi,
>
> Fun stuff to think about...
>
> Is Fringe's Alternate Universe The Same Earth As I Am 
> Lege..
> io9.com/5536897/is-fringes-alt...
>
>
> - Truthseeker013
>
>
> View now! 
> >
>
> *About StumbleUpon*
> Discover great web content recommended by your friends and like-minded
> stumblers just by clicking the Stumble! button - learn 
> more
> .
> If you do not wish to receive emails sent by your friends via StumbleUpon,
> please click click 
> here.
>
>
>
>
> --
> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>   
>



-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik


Re: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be

2010-05-16 Thread Keith Johnson


No wonder you refuse to watch the new Trek film! 

Why do you loathe Abrams? I actually like his work, but only on original 
properties. I haven't cared for his stamp on existing things like MI-3 or Star 
Trek, because his need to add more action over the drama is more obvious, and 
slightly taints the franchise's core makeup, in my opinion. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:47:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Fringe Is Becoming the Show Lost Wishes It Could be 

  






I STILL loathe JJ with a passion, but I thought you folks might enjoy this. 


-- Forwarded message -- 
From: < martin_baxter...@hotmail.com > 
Date: Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:16 PM 
Subject: Check out this site I found on StumbleUpon! 
To: martinbaxt...@gmail.com 





StumbleUpon | Discover Your Web.
Discover Favorites Stumblers 
Hi, 

Fun stuff to think about... 

Is Fringe's Alternate Universe The Same Earth As I Am Lege.. 
io9.com/5536897/is-fringes-alt... 


- Truthseeker013 


View now! > 


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