Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Baxter
You're right, Keith. I hadn't thought of that, either.





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My assumption was that he wouldn't be playing it. It's only just some plastic 
around a primitive chip, but it could still go on the fritz one day, if 
subjected to the current needed to play it. I assumed he was just gonna keep it 
locked in a glass chamber filled with helium gas or something, and just admire 
it from there. 


- Original Message - 
From: Martin Baxter  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 8:17:37 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
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Lavendar, I hadn't even considered that! 






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To :  

Well, the question is does it still play and does his NES still play? 
--Lavender 


From: Martin Baxter 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:15 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 




Amen to that, Mr Worf! 

And I, a video-game fan since the day video games first entered my worldview 
over twenty-five years ago, have *never heard* of that game. Odds are, he can 
only get a reaction out of equally hyper-rabid fans by showing it off. And he'd 
better hope that none of them have sticky fingers. 





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Date : Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:24:25 -0700 
From : Mr. Worf 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

He could have bought the distribution rights for the game for less money. 

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: 

 
 
 Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I 
 still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete 
 with full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough? 
 
 *** 
 http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488 
 The $17,500 video game 
 
 by Mike Smith 
 Buzz up! 
 
 July 6 1:32 P.M. 
 [image: $17000 Game] 
 
 Would you pay $17,500 for this? 
 
 Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from 
 us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a 
 clinically insane $17,500for an obscure NES game from 1990. 
 
 The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo 
 World Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a 
 Nintendo-sponsored gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were 
 created, and Hendricks calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. 
 
 The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and 
 consists of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., 
 Tetris, and Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in 
 each game, and their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't 
 sound too riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for 
 the gameplay. 
 
 And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and 
 zeroes, Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on 
 eBay for a cool $25,000. 
 
 
 
 
 



-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 




People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 
 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

RE: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-08 Thread Aubrey Leatherwood

Maybe you could... but that guy couldn't, lol. Now... here's me assuming that 
this guy didn't need a liver transplant (i'll need one if i have another fourth 
of july weekend like this last one) and that he doesn't need a larger house (if 
ailing grandparents are not taken care of by their proper children, i'm gonna 
need a flippin wing) and that he doesn't want a faster car (wait, let's face 
it, a maserati is going to cost a bit more than 17 grand). It's all about the 
choices. I have had an occasion once or twice of spending some ridiculous (to 
someone else) amount on a pair of heels or even worse perishable items (100 
years and plus bottle of wine/scotch/brandy which I did not save for a special 
moment, and super expensive restaurants because i'm a foodie/amateur iron 
chef). I also paid something ridiculous for an Atari 2600 still in the box two 
years ago, which I took out of the box and is now hooked up to one of the 
upstairs tvs with kaboom in it and the paddle attached right now... *sigh*

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwood.com
FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0





 


To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 01:35:56 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game








I hear that!

- Original Message -
From: wlro...@aol.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 7:49:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game









No offense, I don't care how much a bargain that was. I could use that money 
for something else. Well--perhaps a game but not that one.
--Lavender




From: Keith Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:00 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game


Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I 
still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete with 
full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough?

***
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488


The $17,500 video game
by Mike Smith





Buzz up!
July 6 1:32 P.M.


 
Would you pay $17,500 for this?
Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from us, 
but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a clinically insane 
$17,500 for an obscure NES game from 1990. 

The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo World 
Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a Nintendo-sponsored 
gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were created, and Hendricks 
calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. 

The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and consists 
of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., Tetris, and 
Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in each game, and 
their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't sound too 
riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for the gameplay. 

And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and zeroes, 
Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on eBay for a 
cool $25,000.



People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
 
 











_
Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-08 Thread Martin Baxter
Lavendar, I hadn't even considered that!





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Well, the question is does it still play and does his NES still play?
--Lavender


From: Martin Baxter 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:15 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game




 Amen to that, Mr Worf!

 And I, a video-game fan since the day video games first entered my worldview 
over twenty-five years ago, have *never heard* of that game. Odds are, he can 
only get a reaction out of equally hyper-rabid fans by showing it off. And he'd 
better hope that none of them have sticky fingers.





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 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game
 Date : Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:24:25 -0700
 From : Mr. Worf 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

 He could have bought the distribution rights for the game for less money. 

 On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: 

  
  
  Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I 
  still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete 
  with full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough? 
  
  *** 
  http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488 
  The $17,500 video game 
  
  by Mike Smith 
  Buzz up! 
  
  July 6 1:32 P.M. 
  [image: $17000 Game] 
  
  Would you pay $17,500 for this? 
  
  Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from 
  us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a 
  clinically insane $17,500for an obscure NES game from 1990. 
  
  The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo 
  World Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a 
  Nintendo-sponsored gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were 
  created, and Hendricks calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. 
  
  The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and 
  consists of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., 
  Tetris, and Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in 
  each game, and their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't 
  sound too riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for 
  the gameplay. 
  
  And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and 
  zeroes, Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on 
  eBay for a cool $25,000. 
  
  
  
  
  



 -- 
 Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
 Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ 




 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 




People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-08 Thread Martin Baxter
Lavendar, that's a down payment on a house. Must be nice to be filthy rich...





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 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


No offense, I don't care how much a bargain that was. I could use that money 
for something else. Well--perhaps a game but not that one.
--Lavender


From: Keith Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:00 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game





Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I 
still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete with 
full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough?

***
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488

The $17,500 video game
by Mike Smith

 Buzz up! 

July 6 1:32 P.M.

 
Would you pay $17,500 for this?

Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from us, 
but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a clinically insane 
$17,500 for an obscure NES game from 1990. 

The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo World 
Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a Nintendo-sponsored 
gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were created, and Hendricks 
calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. 

The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and consists 
of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., Tetris, and 
Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in each game, and 
their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't sound too 
riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for the gameplay. 

And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and zeroes, 
Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on eBay for a 
cool $25,000.







People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-08 Thread Keith Johnson
It's all subjective, I get it. It's just we all have our limits, and I tend to 
think that even if I could afford it, I wouldn't drop 17 grand for a video game 
that's basically a compilation of other video games. Something that could, in 
effect ,be easily recreated. Now if that were a first run edition of Amazing 
Fantasy 15, that'd be an understandable investment! 


- Original Message - 
From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 8:13:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 








Maybe you could... but that guy couldn't, lol. Now... here's me assuming that 
this guy didn't need a liver transplant (i'll need one if i have another fourth 
of july weekend like this last one) and that he doesn't need a larger house (if 
ailing grandparents are not taken care of by their proper children, i'm gonna 
need a flippin wing) and that he doesn't want a faster car (wait, let's face 
it, a maserati is going to cost a bit more than 17 grand). It's all about the 
choices. I have had an occasion once or twice of spending some ridiculous (to 
someone else) amount on a pair of heels or even worse perishable items (100 
years and plus bottle of wine/scotch/brandy which I did not save for a special 
moment, and super expensive restaurants because i'm a foodie/amateur iron 
chef). I also paid something ridiculous for an Atari 2600 still in the box two 
years ago, which I took out of the box and is now hooked up to one of the 
upstairs tvs with kaboom in it and the paddle attached right now... *sigh* 

Aubrey Leatherwood 
www.aubreyleatherwood.com 
FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection 
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. 
The People You Know, The Sex They Have 
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 
ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 01:35:56 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 







I hear that! 

- Original Message - 
From: wlro...@aol.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 7:49:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 










No offense, I don't care how much a bargain that was. I could use that money 
for something else. Well--perhaps a game but not that one. 
--Lavender 




From: Keith Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:00 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 


Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I 
still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete with 
full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough? 

*** 
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488 

The $17,500 video game 


by Mike Smith 


Buzz up! July 6 1:32 P.M. 


$17000 Game

Would you pay $17,500 for this? Think $60 video games are too expensive? You 
won't hear any argument from us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector 
who just paid a clinically insane $17,500 for an obscure NES game from 1990. 
The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo World 
Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a Nintendo-sponsored 
gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were created, and Hendricks 
calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. 
The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and consists 
of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., Tetris, and 
Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in each game, and 
their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't sound too 
riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for the gameplay. 
And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and zeroes, 
Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on eBay for a 
cool $25,000. 



People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. 







Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. 




Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-08 Thread Keith Johnson
My assumption was that he wouldn't be playing it. It's only just some plastic 
around a primitive chip, but it could still go on the fritz one day, if 
subjected to the current needed to play it. I assumed he was just gonna keep it 
locked in a glass chamber filled with helium gas or something, and just admire 
it from there. 


- Original Message - 
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 8:17:37 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 








Lavendar, I hadn't even considered that! 






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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 
Date : Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:24:31 -0400 
From : wlro...@aol.com 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

Well, the question is does it still play and does his NES still play? 
--Lavender 


From: Martin Baxter 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:15 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 




Amen to that, Mr Worf! 

And I, a video-game fan since the day video games first entered my worldview 
over twenty-five years ago, have *never heard* of that game. Odds are, he can 
only get a reaction out of equally hyper-rabid fans by showing it off. And he'd 
better hope that none of them have sticky fingers. 





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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 
Date : Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:24:25 -0700 
From : Mr. Worf 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

He could have bought the distribution rights for the game for less money. 

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: 

 
 
 Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I 
 still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete 
 with full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough? 
 
 *** 
 http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488 
 The $17,500 video game 
 
 by Mike Smith 
 Buzz up! 
 
 July 6 1:32 P.M. 
 [image: $17000 Game] 
 
 Would you pay $17,500 for this? 
 
 Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from 
 us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a 
 clinically insane $17,500for an obscure NES game from 1990. 
 
 The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo 
 World Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a 
 Nintendo-sponsored gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were 
 created, and Hendricks calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. 
 
 The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and 
 consists of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., 
 Tetris, and Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in 
 each game, and their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't 
 sound too riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for 
 the gameplay. 
 
 And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and 
 zeroes, Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on 
 eBay for a cool $25,000. 
 
 
 
 
 



-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 




People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 
 

Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-07 Thread Martin Baxter
Amen to that, Mr Worf!

And I, a video-game fan since the day video games first entered my worldview 
over twenty-five years ago, have *never heard* of that game. Odds are, he can 
only get a reaction out of equally hyper-rabid fans by showing it off. And he'd 
better hope that none of them have sticky fingers.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

 Date : Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:24:25 -0700

 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


He could have bought the distribution rights for the game for less money.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:



 Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I
 still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete
 with full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough?

 ***
 http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488
 The $17,500 video game

 by Mike Smith 
 Buzz up!

 July 6 1:32 P.M.
 [image: $17000 Game]

 Would you pay $17,500 for this?

 Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from
 us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a
 clinically insane $17,500for an obscure NES game from 1990.

 The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo
 World Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a
 Nintendo-sponsored gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were
 created, and Hendricks calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors.

 The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and
 consists of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros.,
 Tetris, and Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in
 each game, and their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't
 sound too riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for
 the gameplay.

 And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and
 zeroes, Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on
 eBay for a cool $25,000.



 




-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-07 Thread Justin Mohareb
I just want to point out that there are more copies of Action Comics #  
1 available than this game.


For context.

Justin

On 2009-07-07, at 12:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote:





Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega  
Genesis' (I still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and  
3DO's --complete with full game libraries--could he have bought with  
that much dough?


***
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488
The $17,500 video game

by Mike Smith

Buzz up!
July 6 1:32 P.M.


Would you pay $17,500 for this?

Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument  
from us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid  
a clinically insane $17,500 for an obscure NES game from 1990.


The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of  
Nintendo World Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use  
in a Nintendo-sponsored gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only  
26 were created, and Hendricks calls it the Holy Grail of video  
game collectors.


The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds  
and consists of three short segments from other NES games: Super  
Mario Bros., Tetris, and Rad Racer. Players are scored according to  
their performance in each game, and their scores are totaled once  
the time limit expires. Doesn't sound too riveting to us, but then  
somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for the gameplay.


And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and  
zeroes, Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally  
listed on eBay for a cool $25,000.






RE: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-07 Thread Aubrey Leatherwood

Is there something wrong with me that I have no issues with this fellow's 
purchase?

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwood.com
FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0





 


To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: justinmoha...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:08:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game








I just want to point out that there are more copies of Action Comics # 1 
available than this game. 


For context. 


Justin

On 2009-07-07, at 12:00 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:








Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I 
still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete with 
full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough?

***
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488


The $17,500 video game
by Mike Smith





Buzz up!
July 6 1:32 P.M.


 
Would you pay $17,500 for this?
Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from us, 
but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a clinically insane 
$17,500 for an obscure NES game from 1990. 

The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo World 
Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a Nintendo-sponsored 
gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were created, and Hendricks 
calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. 

The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and consists 
of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., Tetris, and 
Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in each game, and 
their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't sound too 
riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for the gameplay. 

And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and zeroes, 
Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on eBay for a 
cool $25,000.












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Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-07 Thread Daryle Lockhart

If so, then I suffer from the same condition.

If given the opportunity to  own an arcade stand up  version of  
Defender,  I'd pay  quite a bit. I would also  pay  quite a bit to  
own a Fairlight synthesizer system in my house, and my MacBook has  
more power. The collector's mind is not a rational mind. There is an  
arbitrary value placed on things that nobody else cares about. Think  
about all the Star Trek stuff that sold at the Christie's auction.



On Jul 7, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Aubrey Leatherwood wrote:




Is there something wrong with me that I have no issues with this  
fellow's purchase?


Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwood.com
FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: justinmoha...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:08:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game



I just want to point out that there are more copies of Action  
Comics # 1 available than this game.


For context.

Justin

On 2009-07-07, at 12:00 AM, Keith Johnson  
keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:



Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega  
Genesis' (I still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto),  
and 3DO's --complete with full game libraries--could he have bought  
with that much dough?


***
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/ 
1332488

The $17,500 video game

by Mike Smith

Buzz up!
July 6 1:32 P.M.

Would you pay $17,500 for this?

Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any  
argument from us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who  
just paid a clinically insane $17,500 for an obscure NES game from  
1990.
The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of  
Nintendo World Championships, a cartridge specially produced for  
use in a Nintendo-sponsored gaming contest. According to Wikipedia  
only 26 were created, and Hendricks calls it the Holy Grail of  
video game collectors.
The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds  
and consists of three short segments from other NES games: Super  
Mario Bros., Tetris, and Rad Racer. Players are scored according to  
their performance in each game, and their scores are totaled once  
the time limit expires. Doesn't sound too riveting to us, but then  
somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for the gameplay.
And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones  
and zeroes, Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was  
originally listed on eBay for a cool $25,000.





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Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-07 Thread Keith Johnson
No kidding! And I'm pretty sure some of us in this group could have cobbled 
together a decent-looking game of similar power and quality for about the same 
amount of dough! I'm no programmer, but old as it is, I'd be willing to give 
creating something like that a go for a few ducats! 

- Original Message - 
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 1:24:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 








He could have bought the distribution rights for the game for less money. 


On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote: 






Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I 
still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete with 
full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough? 

*** 
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488 

The $17,500 video game 


by Mike Smith 


Buzz up! 

July 6 1:32 P.M. 

$17000 Game

Would you pay $17,500 for this? 

Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from us, 
but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a clinically insane 
$17,500 for an obscure NES game from 1990. 

The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo World 
Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a Nintendo-sponsored 
gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were created, and Hendricks 
calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. 

The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and consists 
of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., Tetris, and 
Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in each game, and 
their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't sound too 
riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for the gameplay. 

And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and zeroes, 
Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on eBay for a 
cool $25,000. 






-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ 





Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-07 Thread Mr. Worf
I think that it has to be over valued. Even though it is very rare. I don't
think that people would pay that kind of money for a Cray computer (which
were truly works of art) or anything else electronic.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:



 No kidding! And I'm pretty sure some of us in this group could have cobbled
 together a decent-looking game of similar power and quality for about the
 same amount of dough! I'm no programmer, but old as it is, I'd be willing to
 give creating something like that a go for a few ducats!

 - Original Message -
 From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 1:24:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game



 He could have bought the distribution rights for the game for less money.

 On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Keith Johnson 
 keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:



 Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I
 still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete
 with full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough?

 ***

 http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488
  The $17,500 video game

 by Mike Smith http://videogames.yahoo.com/masthead
Buzz 
 up!http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzz?publisherurn=yahoo_games_p893guid=http%3A%2F%2Fvideogames.yahoo.com%2Fevents%2Fplugged-in%2Fthe-17-500-video-game%2F1332488targetUrl=

 July 6 1:32 P.M.
  [image: $17000 Game]

 Would you pay $17,500 for this?

 Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from
 us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a
 clinically insane 
 $17,500http://blog.videogamepricecharts.com/2009/06/how-i-got-nintendo-world-championships.htmlfor
  an obscure NES game from 1990.

 The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo
 World Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a
 Nintendo-sponsored gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were
 created, and Hendricks calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors.

 The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and
 consists of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros.,
 Tetris, and Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in
 each game, and their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't
 sound too riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for
 the gameplay.

 And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and
 zeroes, Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on
 eBay for a cool $25,000.






 --
 Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
 Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/



 




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Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-07 Thread Keith Johnson
Yeah, I'd pay a little chunk of change for a Stargate (the more colorful 
successor to Defender) arcade system, and my wife could spend hours on 
Centipede and Ms. Pac-man. But 17K? Don't know that even if I had it I'd want 
to pay that out. 
But as you say, the collector's mind isn't always a rational one... 

- Original Message - 
From: Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:43:04 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 








If so, then I suffer from the same condition. 


If given the opportunity to own an arcade stand up version of Defender, I'd 
pay quite a bit. I would also pay quite a bit to own a Fairlight synthesizer 
system in my house, and my MacBook has more power. The collector's mind is not 
a rational mind. There is an arbitrary value placed on things that nobody else 
cares about. Think about all the Star Trek stuff that sold at the Christie's 
auction. 





On Jul 7, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Aubrey Leatherwood wrote: 





Is there something wrong with me that I have no issues with this fellow's 
purchase? 

Aubrey Leatherwood 
www.aubreyleatherwood.com 
FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection 
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. 
The People You Know, The Sex They Have 
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 
ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: justinmoha...@gmail.com 
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:08:24 -0400 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 







I just want to point out that there are more copies of Action Comics # 1 
available than this game. 


For context. 


Justin 

On 2009-07-07, at 12:00 AM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  wrote: 










Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I 
still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete with 
full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough? 

*** 
http://videogames . yahoo.com/ events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488 

The $17,500 video game 


by Mike Smith 


Buzz up! July 6 1:32 P.M. 


$17000 Game

Would you pay $17,500 for this? Think $60 video games are too expensive? You 
won't hear any argument from us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector 
who just paid a clinically insane $17,500 for an obscure NES game from 1990. 
The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo World 
Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a Nintendo-sponsored 
gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were created, and Hendricks 
calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. 
The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and consists 
of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., Tetris, and 
Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in each game, and 
their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't sound too 
riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for the gameplay. 
And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and zeroes, 
Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on eBay for a 
cool $25,000. 






Windows Live™ SkyDrive™: Get 25 GB of free online storage. Get it on your 
BlackBerry or iPhone. 







Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-07 Thread wlrouge
No offense, I don't care how much a bargain that was. I could use that money 
for something else. Well--perhaps a game but not that one.
--Lavender


From: Keith Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:00 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game





Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I 
still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete with 
full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough?

***
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488

The $17,500 video game
by Mike Smith

  Buzz up! 

July 6 1:32 P.M.

 
Would you pay $17,500 for this?

Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from us, 
but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a clinically insane 
$17,500 for an obscure NES game from 1990. 

The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo World 
Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a Nintendo-sponsored 
gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were created, and Hendricks 
calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. 

The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and consists 
of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., Tetris, and 
Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in each game, and 
their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't sound too 
riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for the gameplay. 

And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and zeroes, 
Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on eBay for a 
cool $25,000.







People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.


Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-07 Thread wlrouge
Well, the question is does it still play and does his NES still play?
--Lavender


From: Martin Baxter 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:15 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game




  Amen to that, Mr Worf!

  And I, a video-game fan since the day video games first entered my 
worldview over twenty-five years ago, have *never heard* of that game. Odds 
are, he can only get a reaction out of equally hyper-rabid fans by showing it 
off. And he'd better hope that none of them have sticky fingers.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--
Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game
Date : Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:24:25 -0700
From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

He could have bought the distribution rights for the game for less 
money. 

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: 

 
 
 Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega 
Genesis' (I 
 still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's 
--complete 
 with full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough? 
 
 *** 
 
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488 
 The $17,500 video game 
 
 by Mike Smith 
 Buzz up! 
 
 July 6 1:32 P.M. 
 [image: $17000 Game] 
 
 Would you pay $17,500 for this? 
 
 Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument 
from 
 us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a 
 clinically insane $17,500for an obscure NES game from 1990. 
 
 The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of 
Nintendo 
 World Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a 
 Nintendo-sponsored gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 
were 
 created, and Hendricks calls it the Holy Grail of video game 
collectors. 
 
 The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and 
 consists of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario 
Bros., 
 Tetris, and Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their 
performance in 
 each game, and their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. 
Doesn't 
 sound too riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in 
it for 
 the gameplay. 
 
 And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and 
 zeroes, Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally 
listed on 
 eBay for a cool $25,000. 
 
 
 
 
 



-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
Mahogany at: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ 




  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds  




People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.


Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-07 Thread Keith Johnson
I hear that! 

- Original Message - 
From: wlro...@aol.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 7:49:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 









No offense, I don't care how much a bargain that was. I could use that money 
for something else. Well--perhaps a game but not that one. 
--Lavender 




From: Keith Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:00 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game 


Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I 
still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete with 
full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough? 

*** 
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488 

The $17,500 video game 


by Mike Smith 


Buzz up! 

July 6 1:32 P.M. 

$17000 Game

Would you pay $17,500 for this? 

Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from us, 
but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a clinically insane 
$17,500 for an obscure NES game from 1990. 

The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo World 
Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a Nintendo-sponsored 
gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were created, and Hendricks 
calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. 

The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and consists 
of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., Tetris, and 
Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in each game, and 
their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't sound too 
riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for the gameplay. 

And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and zeroes, 
Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on eBay for a 
cool $25,000. 


People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. 






Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game

2009-07-06 Thread Mr. Worf
He could have bought the distribution rights for the game for less money.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:



 Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I
 still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete
 with full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough?

 ***
 http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488
 The $17,500 video game

 by Mike Smith http://videogames.yahoo.com/masthead
Buzz 
 up!http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzz?publisherurn=yahoo_games_p893guid=http%3A%2F%2Fvideogames.yahoo.com%2Fevents%2Fplugged-in%2Fthe-17-500-video-game%2F1332488targetUrl=

 July 6 1:32 P.M.
  [image: $17000 Game]

 Would you pay $17,500 for this?

 Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from
 us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a
 clinically insane 
 $17,500http://blog.videogamepricecharts.com/2009/06/how-i-got-nintendo-world-championships.htmlfor
  an obscure NES game from 1990.

 The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo
 World Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a
 Nintendo-sponsored gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were
 created, and Hendricks calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors.

 The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and
 consists of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros.,
 Tetris, and Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in
 each game, and their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't
 sound too riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for
 the gameplay.

 And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and
 zeroes, Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on
 eBay for a cool $25,000.



 




-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/